His suit making him "slow" is kinda of a misconception. He's described as moving like a blur when running and can always enhance his speeds with the force enough to see blaster fire in slow motion. He also scales to being as fast as anyone he fights against as if he weren't able to react to them, there wouldn't be a fight at all. His speed scales to at least Massively Hypersonic+ in C/R speeds, arguably Relativistic+ in canon.
Vader is close to speed of sound with force augmentation even with suit without it he was speed of sound + When he was amped by redemption + He can react to lightspeed blaster bolts
@@CheeseCrumbs00 He can operate even faster actually. Remember that High Tier Council members from the Jedi Order like Mace Windu and Yoda can react and counter against force lightning which is a Massively Hypersonic+ (upwards of Mach 1000) feat in on itself. Prime Vader should scale slightly higher than them or at the very least in the same ballpark of speed. Precognition helps a lot though, and it's an ability widely used even by lower Jedi Knights so it's piece of cake for Vader.
People just won't realize how powerful force users can get. Now imagine the chosen one! Vader can literally use the force to move at the speed of sound.
Vader > Verse. Bro Was Holding Back Planetary Ocean In Canon Game Like Its Base Day Lol. Even Before His Knightfall He Was Stated To Be In Canon "The Strongest Jedi Of His Generation And Perhaps Of ANY Generation" Which Means What He Was The Strongest Jedi Ever Even Before Knightfall. "This Is Anakin Skywalker. The Strongest Jedi Of His Generation And Perhaps Of ANY Generation. The Fastest. The Strongest. He Is The Best At What He Does. The Best What Has Ever Been And He Knows It."
To be honest, I do not think he will need actual skill to fight them. None of them is even at his level of speed. None of the boys except for maybe Homelander will likely even be aple to power through Vader's armor, not to mention other sources of durability, like force augmentation or dark rage He also outranges them all by far.
Remember that powerscaling is not a linear thing. If a bloodlusted Vader really wants, he one shots every single one of them, no matter if who scale higher between themselves. In a fight, Soldier Boy is physically stronger than everyone else before him, but he won't be able to use his nuke powers as it requires some charge time, so he gets the same treatment as everyone else before him. Homelander actually can try pulling some moves off like flying and using his heat vision before being killed the same way. Basically, he can struggle a little more because of his abilities.
@DarklightAlexEdits While I think you generally put them in the right order, against Vader specifically I might be inclined to suggest Stormfront would be more difficult than Maeve and Soldier Boy. While those two are stronger and more durable than her, and would beat her 1 vs 1, Stormfronts flight and, crucially, ranged attack ability (which is basically force lightning, something Sidious designed Vader's suit to be vulnerable to) would give her options similar to the ones you described for Homelander, in terms of stuff she could try before being killed, lol
Although I don't think you're wrong, the characters were put in their positions regarding their tier between themselves, not the diff Vader would need to win, though it ends up matching in the end lol. And yeah, I guess she could try better if Vader let's her lol. I'd say it wouldn't be as effective as Homelander because she's just slower. Homelander by far is the fastest (yes, faster than A-Train even though the show doesn't explore that), so he probably could try pulling something off more times than Stormfront could. On the lightning matter, I think Stormfront is just tickling Vader lol. He can endure Sidious' lightning for some period of time without suffering major damage actually. Stormfront's version is just too weak in comparison. Even If Vader let's her pull it off, he can just reflect it, absorb it or even just dodge it.
@DarklightAlexEdits Fair. I agree with the position then as far as relative tier to eachother (I'd argue A-Train over Starlight, but in a Vader matchup maybe not... Starlight can drain electronics... not that she'd actually have time or that draining his suit would save her from his dark side rage-fueled perserverance anyway). Agree Homelander > Stormfront in terms of how much he could do and his speed (also know he's faster than A-Train). Just figure Stormfront does have some of the same advantages to a lesser degree in terms of range and mobility. Ty for the reply :)
@@GeneralGrievousCIS Yes, I agree with your reasoning as well. If Vader gets cocky (rare, but happens) or something of the sort, most likely A-Train and Stormfront would make it slightly harder than Starlight and Soldier boy or Maeve, respectively! Btw no problem friend. Always try to reply as much as I can, if possible, as I do enjoy discussions on the comments most of the time (ofc, if they're not a bunch of nonsense or name calling/hate for no reason lol).
In reality if is from Canon comic version Vader take all of points except Travel Speed (if it's in legends, Vader take all points) and he win no concept of diff
Canon means canonically accurate to the current lore. In Star Wars, there are two main canons: the new canon, the 2 original trilogies and everything made post-Disney acquisition and the old canon, the George Lucas era, also called "Legends Continuity". There are major differences both in lore and in power between the characters in both canons, Legends having much more content and also being much more powerful than current canon.
Amigo haz leído los comics de vader?? El tipo es una maldita bestia que hasta edificios enteros puede destruir con la fuerza y eso es lo mínimo que puede hacer
Doesn’t Homelander just end the fight instantly with his immense speed? Or just cut Vader in half with laser eyes immediately. If its movie Vader at least.
Homelander is slower than Vader as he's around mach 20ish based on his C4 feat, which is just Hypersonic. Vader on the other hand is at least Massively Hypersonic+ bare minimum as even padawans can react to blaster bolts, as well as weaker Jedi being capable of reacting, dodging and reflecting lightning. Not even counting precognition which give force sensitives several seconds of advantage. Vader is much more versatile and much MUCH faster.
you're right. the Vader the whole world knows hasn't superspeed. this guy is referring to some nonsense OP version from the comics or smth. in a fight Homelander would kill him no diff in half a second but Vader's fanboys' force is too strong even for an evil version of Superman
@@dabalma You need to get a grip on Star Wars knowledge and general powerscaling to discuss stuff like this, which you seem to lack. There's no point in trying to argue without knowledge of both sides. "Canon" includes the Marvel Comics Vader run, the movies, the shows (minus the first clone wars cartoon) and some newer novels. The video is about "canon" Vader, not "movies" Vader. The real "OP version" is the Legends continuity one. Also, are you going to tell me you didn't see every run of the mill Jedi countering blaster fire and higher tier Jedi straight up reacting and countering force lightning in the movies? Are you aware of Force Speed and Force Precognition? Basic Jedi Knight Force use, you know that right? I don't even need to say Vader scales higher than most Council Member Masters do I?
@@DarklightAlexEdits alright i don’t know that much about Vader, only what he does in the movies, to argue with you. I guess ill just have to trust you on this, as this is way too nerdy for me.
I know its an old comment but there's actually no such thing as a "movie Vader". The movies are sort of frameworks which are shared among the old expanded universe aswell as Disney's continuity. Both are basically "movie Vader" it's just that the expanded universe and the Disney canon provide entirely different context to the scenes in the movies. Hope this doesn't cause too much confusion.
Stormfront low-diffs Vader, his suit constructed by Palpatine was designed to kill him instantly with force lightning, he's more susceptible to it, this was a mechanism to make sure Vader couldn't survive going up against Palpatine which ultimately killed him, Stormfront having Electrokinesis to a more AOE level means he'd be relatively easy for her to swoop down and kill.
The suit isn't designed to kill him instantly lol. Sidious tortured Vader multiple times with force lightning and he didn't die. The suit is only made to be vulnerable to high levels of eletricity. Extremely important points that you failed to grasp: 1. Sidious' lightning against Luke was stated as his full power and it didn't kill Vader instantly, in fact, he survived some time even after turning back to the light side. Also, I'm 110% sure any lightning from most Sith would have a lot more AP than Stormfront could ever hope to produce. 2. Vader have survived more than once without his breathing system working using the dark side. The dark side is used multiple times in the franchise to prevent the death of the user in fatal situations. Turning back to the light prevented Vader from using this power. Other known instances (of arguably weaker force uses) doing the same are Darth Maul who survived a fall from a shaft while cut in half and Darth Sion who wouldn't die just because he didn't want to, despite being a literal zombie. 3. Vader has at least Massively Hypersonic reaction/combat speed, potentially much higher (which is much higher than even Homelander's R/C speeds). He scales much higher than High Council Jedi (Yoda and Mace Windu) who could block and redirect a much weaker Sidious' lightning in ROTS. That's made using Tutaminis, the ability to block, absorb and/or redirect energy, something Vader can do and has done. Important note: Sith Lightning is not natural eletricity, as it scales with the user speed and power. It's faster than normal lightning, and still could be countered if you're fast enough. Honestly, even if Stormfront could hit Vader with lightning before she's dead, he would tank it like a champ and still one shot her with one of multiple force skills or even a quick lightsaber slash that would so fast, she wouldn't even register it happened.
But you see the issue still remains it's designed to kill him, Sidious only used enough electricity to keep Vader alive, the suit can only handle so much before it kills Vader, it'a a severe weakness for any character who has lightning or electric powers in general, the torture the electricity causes to was enough to have Vader fall unable to move, the point still remains though for Homefront is that she has a AOE electrical outburst and arsenal of electric powers that have shown to work on faster opponents. Your points is irrelevant because you can't accept the fact that his weakness is a thing she has proficiency in, and no he can't 'dodge' it because he can't dodge electricity or lightning, his speed isn't counterintuitive otherwise he wouldn't have died to it, putting these characters in a field together in a 1V1 Stormfront would destroy him and have him on the ground and then he'd eventually die in a few seconds unable to do anything because of the weakness Palpatine designed. @@DarklightAlexEdits
Did you even read what I said with any amount of attention or...? 1. If Vader gets hit with Stormfront's lightning, he will survive it and kill her. 2. Hitting him with lightning would be useless as he can use a force power made specially to counter energy projection. 3. Who's faster than lightning in The Boys verse? Not even Homelander who has the fastest calcs have lightning speed feats. 4. I didn't even say he could dodge lightning, I said he could use Tutaminis to BLOCK It. Also, yes, weaker Jedi than him already actually dodged Sith Lightning in multiple situations, so why Vader wouldn't be able to? Stronger force user means stronger physical force augmentation. 5. Sidious' lightning is not ANY lightning. As it's stated multiple times in multiple media, both canon and legends, force abilities scale to their force power. Vader can't react do Sidious' lightning because Sidious have higher force power than Vader, his energy projection is faster than Vader's force augmentation can up his R/C speeds. 6. Doesn't matter what happens, Vader wins. He can kill her before she can do anything in the first place, he can block her powers, he can literally survive without the suit using the Dark Side powered anger. The versatility in which he can win is actually insane.
I did and did but you clearly didn't pay attention and go re-use points I've already discredited. 1: It wouldn't kill him instantly but it would kill him, if she uses her lightning it'll take him out of the fight and on his knees. 2. Energy not lightning, the times Vader has been struck with Force Lightning he's been incapacitated and/or killed in the case of Palpatine, it's clear its a serious severe weakness. 3: And? Said it before, irrelevant since you acknowledge Vader can't either. 4: This isn't force Lightning, Stormfront's abilities aren't the force it's pure electricity, more destructive and unbound in AOE level destruction as shown when she uses it, Blocking it cannot apply to actual electricity which spreads unlike the properties of lightning generated by the force. 5: I'm not saying it isn't, but the suit is designed to be severely weakened by Force Lightning due to the electricity it projects, that's an attribute of the mechanics of the suit, not Vader's body but Vader's life support. 6: Doesn't matter what happens, Vader wins. He can kill her before she can do anything in the first place, he can block her powers, he can literally survive without the suit using the Dark Side powered anger. The versatility in which he can win is actually insane. ^Clear Biased, you can't accept a natural severe weakness. He can't block her powers because unlike force lightning, the lightning doesn't target a specified location but spreads, She's fast enough to match him, without his suit he's weaker and that makes it easier to take his suit away from him to which he will eventually die.@@DarklightAlexEdits
@Mithras-jp4jp You keep pretending to not read every detail I told you and keep banging on the same note like a broken record lol. 1. I gave you 3 ways of how it would go, stop pretending being hit by lightning is the only option here. 2. Lightning IS ENERGY. Tutaminis includes any type of energy (heat, kinetic, photons, electrons. People usually stop force lightning with it the most though), how can you not know such basic science info? 3. I literally said he could only be hit by more powerful force powers than him. Stormfront doesn't have the force, and she isn't even on his level AP wise. 4. You have no knowledge of Star Wars at all. Sidious can down star destroyers with normal force lightning, and Luke tanked an even stronger version, which Vader also tanked enough while being in the light side (which prevents him to keep himself alive), to throw Sidious away in a shaft. Are you implying that you think Stormfront's AP or DC is higher than Sidious? That's not even a question. He can even vaporize normal humans with tiny portions of his lightning. 5. I've told you Vader can survive without the suit, drop this argument, it's moot. 6. Btw what's with that AOE bs? Dark Side users can project lightning in any area they desire, hell, I even mentioned enough of it do destroy a Star Destroyer. 7. Also, precognition which grants force users several seconds of advantage would also be of great use. Like I said, multiple advantages for Vader with one extremely convoluted one against him that he can do a multitude of things against. - You need to get some knowledge of both sides of a match if you want to have any meaningful chance of a debate. You're only clinging on one single argument that is easily disproved with multiple instances of feats performed in canon without even using scaling which massively trumps the entire The Boys verse like they're nothing.
If you are using live action, I think Vader struggles and likely loses to homelander, soldier boy, and stormfront (especially considering Vader’s suit is susceptible to lightning and electricity). If you are using Disney comics than I agree. If this is indeed live action, Vader would get demolished, especially by homelander
There is no "Live Action Vader" lol. The comics, newer books, the shows and the latest clone wars cartoon are all one continuity. It's all one Canon. Movies Vader is the same as all Vaders in all of these. The only different version is the legends one, which is most of the older books, the first clone wars cartoon and the Old Republic and Force Unleashed games.
@@DarklightAlexEdits you’re not following what I’m saying. Even if comics are canon, we are comparing live action feats. I love Vader, die hard Star Wars fan, but I also like the boys obviously and am telling you, homelander would destroy base Vader
@@Homelander_6666where in the video does it say only live action vader? You can see in the video title it says cannon not live action. We are not just comparing live action feats we are comparing cannon feats.
Are you trying to headcannon my own video? Lol. Btw, If you want to isolate the movies from any other canon media (which doesn't make any sense, but let's do it for the sake of proving a point). High Tiers (specifically Mace Windu and Yoda) from the Jedi Council can react to lightning (both by seeing it and blocking it) and Vader scales directly to them, most likely above them. Lightning is at least Mach 1000. Homelander's best speed feats is in the Mach 20's which is his C4 explosion feat. Vader statues and speedblitzes Homelander just using the movies. Also, his multiple force abilities including Precognition, Telekinesis, Force Push, Force choke, Energy absorption and redirection (Tutaminis) are all live action showings. The amount of versatility Vader has to kill someone who doesn't even have resistance against the force is just crazy (you can only try resisting any force attack If you have midichlorians which Homelander doesn't have).
Nah, Stormfront's Building level Lightning isn't gonna even tickle Vader lol. He could tank the much more potent Sith Lightning from Sidious. Hell, even without the suit working, he can still survive for some time using the Dark Side.
Vader is only vulnerable to force lightning of suficient AP. AP which Stormfront lacks. Also, Vader is capable of surviving lightning even in the level of Sidious for quite a lot of time actually. He can use Force Barrier and Tutaminis (energy absorption and redirection) to counter this type of attacks as well. So, I don't think that's an issue here.
I wouldn’t give Vader speed over any of the other characters because his suit is clunky as hell but he still solos the boys universe
His suit making him "slow" is kinda of a misconception. He's described as moving like a blur when running and can always enhance his speeds with the force enough to see blaster fire in slow motion. He also scales to being as fast as anyone he fights against as if he weren't able to react to them, there wouldn't be a fight at all. His speed scales to at least Massively Hypersonic+ in C/R speeds, arguably Relativistic+ in canon.
Vader is close to speed of sound with force augmentation even with suit without it he was speed of sound + When he was amped by redemption + He can react to lightspeed blaster bolts
@@DarklightAlexEditsDude I always thought Vader was slow. Him moving at the speed of sound and running like a blur sounds terrifying.
@@ДмитрийРубежов-э1б Yeah, he's just much faster than people give him credit for.
@@CheeseCrumbs00 He can operate even faster actually. Remember that High Tier Council members from the Jedi Order like Mace Windu and Yoda can react and counter against force lightning which is a Massively Hypersonic+ (upwards of Mach 1000) feat in on itself. Prime Vader should scale slightly higher than them or at the very least in the same ballpark of speed.
Precognition helps a lot though, and it's an ability widely used even by lower Jedi Knights so it's piece of cake for Vader.
comic book Darth Vader in the corner saying that’s my boy
How beautiful is Starlight in that clip btw ❤
W EDIT
People just won't realize how powerful force users can get. Now imagine the chosen one! Vader can literally use the force to move at the speed of sound.
Speed Of Sound is massive downplay tbh lol. He's at least Massively Hypersonic+
@@DarklightAlexEdits true, even I forget that myself sometimes
If only the peak was here
The peak one taps + verse.
Soldier boy would be the toughest fight for vader.
Vader One Taps.
Canon Vader is close to speed of sound even with injures with force augmentation and insanely good duelist.
Overkill For Verse.
Vader solos🗿
W edit mano
Obrigado irmão!
Inscrito de plantão ainda por cima, GOAT 🗿
@@DarklightAlexEdits Denada
Yo bro Please do Homelander Vs Minecraft Story Mode(Whole Verse)!
Sorry but the deep win neg diff
The deep loses badly. The peak is the one winning lol.
Na mate the peak negs not the deep
@@vali6843 More like he gets stomped
Durability and endurance to Vader against any of them…
Vader > Verse.
Bro Was Holding Back Planetary Ocean In Canon Game Like Its Base Day Lol.
Even Before His Knightfall He Was Stated To Be In Canon "The Strongest Jedi Of His Generation And Perhaps Of ANY Generation" Which Means What He Was The Strongest Jedi Ever Even Before Knightfall.
"This Is Anakin Skywalker.
The Strongest Jedi Of His Generation And Perhaps Of ANY Generation.
The Fastest.
The Strongest.
He Is The Best At What He Does.
The Best What Has Ever Been And He Knows It."
To be honest, I do not think he will need actual skill to fight them. None of them is even at his level of speed. None of the boys except for maybe Homelander will likely even be aple to power through Vader's armor, not to mention other sources of durability, like force augmentation or dark rage
He also outranges them all by far.
not to mention the massive difference in willpower regarding telepathy
If Maeve and stromfront are low diff. Then, soldier boy should be low-mid.
Remember that powerscaling is not a linear thing. If a bloodlusted Vader really wants, he one shots every single one of them, no matter if who scale higher between themselves. In a fight, Soldier Boy is physically stronger than everyone else before him, but he won't be able to use his nuke powers as it requires some charge time, so he gets the same treatment as everyone else before him. Homelander actually can try pulling some moves off like flying and using his heat vision before being killed the same way. Basically, he can struggle a little more because of his abilities.
@DarklightAlexEdits While I think you generally put them in the right order, against Vader specifically I might be inclined to suggest Stormfront would be more difficult than Maeve and Soldier Boy. While those two are stronger and more durable than her, and would beat her 1 vs 1, Stormfronts flight and, crucially, ranged attack ability (which is basically force lightning, something Sidious designed Vader's suit to be vulnerable to) would give her options similar to the ones you described for Homelander, in terms of stuff she could try before being killed, lol
Although I don't think you're wrong, the characters were put in their positions regarding their tier between themselves, not the diff Vader would need to win, though it ends up matching in the end lol.
And yeah, I guess she could try better if Vader let's her lol. I'd say it wouldn't be as effective as Homelander because she's just slower. Homelander by far is the fastest (yes, faster than A-Train even though the show doesn't explore that), so he probably could try pulling something off more times than Stormfront could.
On the lightning matter, I think Stormfront is just tickling Vader lol. He can endure Sidious' lightning for some period of time without suffering major damage actually. Stormfront's version is just too weak in comparison. Even If Vader let's her pull it off, he can just reflect it, absorb it or even just dodge it.
@DarklightAlexEdits Fair. I agree with the position then as far as relative tier to eachother (I'd argue A-Train over Starlight, but in a Vader matchup maybe not... Starlight can drain electronics... not that she'd actually have time or that draining his suit would save her from his dark side rage-fueled perserverance anyway).
Agree Homelander > Stormfront in terms of how much he could do and his speed (also know he's faster than A-Train). Just figure Stormfront does have some of the same advantages to a lesser degree in terms of range and mobility. Ty for the reply :)
@@GeneralGrievousCIS Yes, I agree with your reasoning as well. If Vader gets cocky (rare, but happens) or something of the sort, most likely A-Train and Stormfront would make it slightly harder than Starlight and Soldier boy or Maeve, respectively!
Btw no problem friend. Always try to reply as much as I can, if possible, as I do enjoy discussions on the comments most of the time (ofc, if they're not a bunch of nonsense or name calling/hate for no reason lol).
In reality if is from Canon comic version Vader take all of points except Travel Speed (if it's in legends, Vader take all points) and he win no concept of diff
It's Canon Vader, it counts every movie and everything else canon, like books and comics. Legends Vader negs The Boys vese twenty times over lol.
@@DarklightAlexEdits True
Full potential Vader would neg diff all of them
He would without question!
Bro I know that this is random and u probably are not going to think I’m not being serious and that I am an idiot but what does Canon mean exactly
Canon means canonically accurate to the current lore. In Star Wars, there are two main canons: the new canon, the 2 original trilogies and everything made post-Disney acquisition and the old canon, the George Lucas era, also called "Legends Continuity". There are major differences both in lore and in power between the characters in both canons, Legends having much more content and also being much more powerful than current canon.
Homelander wins no diff and Soldier Boy probably wins mid-high diff
Amigo haz leído los comics de vader?? El tipo es una maldita bestia que hasta edificios enteros puede destruir con la fuerza y eso es lo mínimo que puede hacer
You know nothing about Star Wars.
Doesn’t Homelander just end the fight instantly with his immense speed? Or just cut Vader in half with laser eyes immediately. If its movie Vader at least.
Homelander is slower than Vader as he's around mach 20ish based on his C4 feat, which is just Hypersonic. Vader on the other hand is at least Massively Hypersonic+ bare minimum as even padawans can react to blaster bolts, as well as weaker Jedi being capable of reacting, dodging and reflecting lightning. Not even counting precognition which give force sensitives several seconds of advantage. Vader is much more versatile and much MUCH faster.
you're right. the Vader the whole world knows hasn't superspeed. this guy is referring to some nonsense OP version from the comics or smth. in a fight Homelander would kill him no diff in half a second but Vader's fanboys' force is too strong even for an evil version of Superman
@@dabalma You need to get a grip on Star Wars knowledge and general powerscaling to discuss stuff like this, which you seem to lack. There's no point in trying to argue without knowledge of both sides.
"Canon" includes the Marvel Comics Vader run, the movies, the shows (minus the first clone wars cartoon) and some newer novels. The video is about "canon" Vader, not "movies" Vader. The real "OP version" is the Legends continuity one.
Also, are you going to tell me you didn't see every run of the mill Jedi countering blaster fire and higher tier Jedi straight up reacting and countering force lightning in the movies?
Are you aware of Force Speed and Force Precognition? Basic Jedi Knight Force use, you know that right? I don't even need to say Vader scales higher than most Council Member Masters do I?
@@DarklightAlexEdits alright i don’t know that much about Vader, only what he does in the movies, to argue with you. I guess ill just have to trust you on this, as this is way too nerdy for me.
I know its an old comment but there's actually no such thing as a "movie Vader". The movies are sort of frameworks which are shared among the old expanded universe aswell as Disney's continuity.
Both are basically "movie Vader" it's just that the expanded universe and the Disney canon provide entirely different context to the scenes in the movies.
Hope this doesn't cause too much confusion.
Destruction Vader.
Stormfront low-diffs Vader, his suit constructed by Palpatine was designed to kill him instantly with force lightning, he's more susceptible to it, this was a mechanism to make sure Vader couldn't survive going up against Palpatine which ultimately killed him, Stormfront having Electrokinesis to a more AOE level means he'd be relatively easy for her to swoop down and kill.
The suit isn't designed to kill him instantly lol. Sidious tortured Vader multiple times with force lightning and he didn't die. The suit is only made to be vulnerable to high levels of eletricity. Extremely important points that you failed to grasp:
1. Sidious' lightning against Luke was stated as his full power and it didn't kill Vader instantly, in fact, he survived some time even after turning back to the light side. Also, I'm 110% sure any lightning from most Sith would have a lot more AP than Stormfront could ever hope to produce.
2. Vader have survived more than once without his breathing system working using the dark side. The dark side is used multiple times in the franchise to prevent the death of the user in fatal situations. Turning back to the light prevented Vader from using this power. Other known instances (of arguably weaker force uses) doing the same are Darth Maul who survived a fall from a shaft while cut in half and Darth Sion who wouldn't die just because he didn't want to, despite being a literal zombie.
3. Vader has at least Massively Hypersonic reaction/combat speed, potentially much higher (which is much higher than even Homelander's R/C speeds). He scales much higher than High Council Jedi (Yoda and Mace Windu) who could block and redirect a much weaker Sidious' lightning in ROTS. That's made using Tutaminis, the ability to block, absorb and/or redirect energy, something Vader can do and has done. Important note: Sith Lightning is not natural eletricity, as it scales with the user speed and power. It's faster than normal lightning, and still could be countered if you're fast enough.
Honestly, even if Stormfront could hit Vader with lightning before she's dead, he would tank it like a champ and still one shot her with one of multiple force skills or even a quick lightsaber slash that would so fast, she wouldn't even register it happened.
But you see the issue still remains it's designed to kill him, Sidious only used enough electricity to keep Vader alive, the suit can only handle so much before it kills Vader, it'a a severe weakness for any character who has lightning or electric powers in general, the torture the electricity causes to was enough to have Vader fall unable to move, the point still remains though for Homefront is that she has a AOE electrical outburst and arsenal of electric powers that have shown to work on faster opponents.
Your points is irrelevant because you can't accept the fact that his weakness is a thing she has proficiency in, and no he can't 'dodge' it because he can't dodge electricity or lightning, his speed isn't counterintuitive otherwise he wouldn't have died to it, putting these characters in a field together in a 1V1 Stormfront would destroy him and have him on the ground and then he'd eventually die in a few seconds unable to do anything because of the weakness Palpatine designed. @@DarklightAlexEdits
Did you even read what I said with any amount of attention or...?
1. If Vader gets hit with Stormfront's lightning, he will survive it and kill her.
2. Hitting him with lightning would be useless as he can use a force power made specially to counter energy projection.
3. Who's faster than lightning in The Boys verse? Not even Homelander who has the fastest calcs have lightning speed feats.
4. I didn't even say he could dodge lightning, I said he could use Tutaminis to BLOCK It. Also, yes, weaker Jedi than him already actually dodged Sith Lightning in multiple situations, so why Vader wouldn't be able to? Stronger force user means stronger physical force augmentation.
5. Sidious' lightning is not ANY lightning. As it's stated multiple times in multiple media, both canon and legends, force abilities scale to their force power. Vader can't react do Sidious' lightning because Sidious have higher force power than Vader, his energy projection is faster than Vader's force augmentation can up his R/C speeds.
6. Doesn't matter what happens, Vader wins. He can kill her before she can do anything in the first place, he can block her powers, he can literally survive without the suit using the Dark Side powered anger. The versatility in which he can win is actually insane.
I did and did but you clearly didn't pay attention and go re-use points I've already discredited.
1: It wouldn't kill him instantly but it would kill him, if she uses her lightning it'll take him out of the fight and on his knees.
2. Energy not lightning, the times Vader has been struck with Force Lightning he's been incapacitated and/or killed in the case of Palpatine, it's clear its a serious severe weakness.
3: And? Said it before, irrelevant since you acknowledge Vader can't either.
4: This isn't force Lightning, Stormfront's abilities aren't the force it's pure electricity, more destructive and unbound in AOE level destruction as shown when she uses it, Blocking it cannot apply to actual electricity which spreads unlike the properties of lightning generated by the force.
5: I'm not saying it isn't, but the suit is designed to be severely weakened by Force Lightning due to the electricity it projects, that's an attribute of the mechanics of the suit, not Vader's body but Vader's life support.
6: Doesn't matter what happens, Vader wins. He can kill her before she can do anything in the first place, he can block her powers, he can literally survive without the suit using the Dark Side powered anger. The versatility in which he can win is actually insane.
^Clear Biased, you can't accept a natural severe weakness. He can't block her powers because unlike force lightning, the lightning doesn't target a specified location but spreads, She's fast enough to match him, without his suit he's weaker and that makes it easier to take his suit away from him to which he will eventually die.@@DarklightAlexEdits
@Mithras-jp4jp You keep pretending to not read every detail I told you and keep banging on the same note like a broken record lol.
1. I gave you 3 ways of how it would go, stop pretending being hit by lightning is the only option here.
2. Lightning IS ENERGY. Tutaminis includes any type of energy (heat, kinetic, photons, electrons. People usually stop force lightning with it the most though), how can you not know such basic science info?
3. I literally said he could only be hit by more powerful force powers than him. Stormfront doesn't have the force, and she isn't even on his level AP wise.
4. You have no knowledge of Star Wars at all. Sidious can down star destroyers with normal force lightning, and Luke tanked an even stronger version, which Vader also tanked enough while being in the light side (which prevents him to keep himself alive), to throw Sidious away in a shaft. Are you implying that you think Stormfront's AP or DC is higher than Sidious? That's not even a question. He can even vaporize normal humans with tiny portions of his lightning.
5. I've told you Vader can survive without the suit, drop this argument, it's moot.
6. Btw what's with that AOE bs? Dark Side users can project lightning in any area they desire, hell, I even mentioned enough of it do destroy a Star Destroyer.
7. Also, precognition which grants force users several seconds of advantage would also be of great use. Like I said, multiple advantages for Vader with one extremely convoluted one against him that he can do a multitude of things against.
- You need to get some knowledge of both sides of a match if you want to have any meaningful chance of a debate. You're only clinging on one single argument that is easily disproved with multiple instances of feats performed in canon without even using scaling which massively trumps the entire The Boys verse like they're nothing.
If you are using live action, I think Vader struggles and likely loses to homelander, soldier boy, and stormfront (especially considering Vader’s suit is susceptible to lightning and electricity). If you are using Disney comics than I agree. If this is indeed live action, Vader would get demolished, especially by homelander
There is no "Live Action Vader" lol. The comics, newer books, the shows and the latest clone wars cartoon are all one continuity. It's all one Canon. Movies Vader is the same as all Vaders in all of these. The only different version is the legends one, which is most of the older books, the first clone wars cartoon and the Old Republic and Force Unleashed games.
@@DarklightAlexEdits you’re not following what I’m saying. Even if comics are canon, we are comparing live action feats. I love Vader, die hard Star Wars fan, but I also like the boys obviously and am telling you, homelander would destroy base Vader
@@Homelander_6666where in the video does it say only live action vader? You can see in the video title it says cannon not live action. We are not just comparing live action feats we are comparing cannon feats.
@@skulldrun259 it doesn’t, but read my comment 👍
Are you trying to headcannon my own video? Lol.
Btw, If you want to isolate the movies from any other canon media (which doesn't make any sense, but let's do it for the sake of proving a point). High Tiers (specifically Mace Windu and Yoda) from the Jedi Council can react to lightning (both by seeing it and blocking it) and Vader scales directly to them, most likely above them. Lightning is at least Mach 1000. Homelander's best speed feats is in the Mach 20's which is his C4 explosion feat.
Vader statues and speedblitzes Homelander just using the movies. Also, his multiple force abilities including Precognition, Telekinesis, Force Push, Force choke, Energy absorption and redirection (Tutaminis) are all live action showings. The amount of versatility Vader has to kill someone who doesn't even have resistance against the force is just crazy (you can only try resisting any force attack If you have midichlorians which Homelander doesn't have).
In reality Vader take all points
Lowkey the Peak negs
The deep solos
Just have homelander destroy his breathing mechanism and he dies😂
Lol the peak solos
If stormfront shot fader first she might win but overall vader neg the verse he city level at least
Nah, Stormfront's Building level Lightning isn't gonna even tickle Vader lol. He could tank the much more potent Sith Lightning from Sidious. Hell, even without the suit working, he can still survive for some time using the Dark Side.
Soldier boy>>>>
A comparison of characters from completely different universes with no meaning or affinity, made only for self-satisfaction.
stormfront counters vader :))
No 😂
@@Apatchi22She does tho
@@firebottle8402 no
@@firebottle8402There is a difference between lightning and force lightning
Vader is only vulnerable to force lightning of suficient AP. AP which Stormfront lacks. Also, Vader is capable of surviving lightning even in the level of Sidious for quite a lot of time actually. He can use Force Barrier and Tutaminis (energy absorption and redirection) to counter this type of attacks as well. So, I don't think that's an issue here.
Soldier Boy and Homelander beat Vader
No
@@Captainbased “No” 🤓☝️
@@shuddereditz Ok The Boys fanboy
@@Captainbased Ok Star Wars fanboy🤓 is that all you got?
@@shuddereditz How? I like both DC and Star Wars + Marvel