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  • Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
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    This has to be some of the best organ playing I've heard in a long time. Deep purple have always had a special place in my heart. Just like every other guitarist, smoke on the water was one of the first riffs I ever learned. This track feels like a real return to that vibe. Call your dad, Deep purple have an album coming soon.
    Lyrics
    The world’s on fire
    And I can’t get my arse out of bed
    The world is on fire
    There’s smoke all around my head
    What was I thinking about when I crashed last night……
    The oceans are rising
    And I can’t do a thing about that
    So it’s hardly surprising
    I built an ark for me and my sleek black cat
    What was I thinking about when I crashed last night……
    Oh yes, turn off the gas and don’t forget to switch off the light
    But that’s all right coz I’m a lazy sod and I’m hot
    Don’t mind me coz I’m a lazy sod, you can like it or not
    I’m guessing not
    What was I thinking about when I crashed last night……
    Oh yes, turn off the gas and don’t forget to switch off the light
    That’s all right coz I’m a lazy sod and I’m hot, so hot
    Don’t mind me coz I’m a lazy sod,
    Whether you like it, like it or not
    And I’m guessing not
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Комментарии • 164

  • @davidbennett3098
    @davidbennett3098 Месяц назад +33

    Purple are not making a comeback because the money ran out, they never went away.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +4

      @@davidbennett3098 I'm really happy to have found that out since making the video, but that's definitely a thing that happens with older bands from time to time. But I completely agree this time isn't one of those times.

    • @Distortion360
      @Distortion360 Месяц назад +5

      Agreed. With just the income from Smoke on the Water, they will never run out of money!

    • @korhanolcer1973
      @korhanolcer1973 Месяц назад

      2 mb brains these days are popular

    • @eddhardy1054
      @eddhardy1054 Месяц назад

      ​@@Distortion360 Jon Lord once said SOTW was worth six figures to the band every year.

  • @user-go6vn6ix7p
    @user-go6vn6ix7p Месяц назад +16

    Deep Purple has never been away except for some years from 1976 to 1984. The last four albums they produced with Bob Ezrin were very successful. And they have been touring almost nonstop since 1996. Just saw them last Wednesday in Rome and that concert was phantastic. Except for their new guitarrist Simon McBride they are all between 75 and 80 years old and are still full of energy.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +3

      @@user-go6vn6ix7p that is frankly incredible. I think my ignorance comes, at least in part, from the fact that those bands just don't come to our side of the pond unfortunately. But this definitely supports my statement that good music is being made, and performed. I've just not noticed. Ironically.

    • @ponytrekker8996
      @ponytrekker8996 Месяц назад +5

      I’m seeing deep purple with yes September 1 this year at Jones Beach theater in New York..54years after the release of in rock and the classic mark 2 lineup which three of the members are performing today Ian Gillan Roger glover and Ian paice.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +5

      @@ponytrekker8996 That's going to be a killer show. Enjoy!

  • @seabud6408
    @seabud6408 Месяц назад +6

    With the great Steve Morse they produced an English/American sensibility that was unique and produced a musical creature which shouldn’t have lived but usually thrived and often repeated the triumph that Purpindicular was.
    Purple obviously felt like making an out and out bluesy rocker this time. Hope they make a follow up and see if Simon can produce the prog’ invention/twists and turns that Steve was so good at as on the previous album .. Whoosh!
    “Sometimes I feel like screaming” is up there with the best guitar tracks by any band.

    • @jpurple
      @jpurple Месяц назад +2

      That's something I'm going to miss from now on.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      Hi! You make some excellent points! I for one like the bluesy vibe they went for. I listen to a lot of overly complicated music, and the album I'm working on at the moment definitely needs more blues/rock influence.

    • @seabud6408
      @seabud6408 Месяц назад

      @@PeterCleff Thanks. Re complex music. It’s not often that I’m blown away these days. Hadn’t heard of the mega drummer/composer Virgil Donati until I heard his album “In this life”. I listened to it daily for months particularly the opener “Rhythm Zero”
      (iTunes - The CD is sold out)
      Great virtuoso performances on guitar/bass/keys too. Purple’s drummer Ian Paice was his hero in his youth.
      Also embarrassed to say that as a YES fan for 50+ years, I hadn’t heard their late 70’s track “Awaken” from “Going for the one” until a month ago. Incredibly complex arrangement/recording. Def One of the best pieces of music I’ve ever heard, beautiful and emotional. I didn’t like their change in direction in the 80’s and stopped listening. I saw them live for the first time a few weeks ago. Fantastic. Steve Howe still has it on guitar.

  • @ronnienose8608
    @ronnienose8608 Месяц назад +6

    Production is indeed better now with technological improvements. However, the music was more original back in the 70s, they, along with Sabbath and Zeppelin were the originators of hard rock and metal. Every era contained crap but the standard was generally more consistent.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      I appreciate the perspective, but the cost of recording an album and touring back then ment that it was close to impossible to get noticed if you weren't doing something particularly special, or if I'm being a bit more cynical, profitable.
      We don't have records from the bands that sucked from that era. But they were there. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. We don't love the music we grew up with because it's objectively better. But because it reminds us of a better time. Just like my generation loves and longs back to the early 2000s, and the next generation will remember the good and the bad from the current charts with rose tinted goggles.
      I think what makes the modern day interesting is the fact that we have such an extensive catalog of music that's easy to access and study. My dad's generation, and mine for that matter, couldn't get anything but what our parents listened to, or what an edgy friend bootlegged for you, and eventually saving up a buying a new album. That's definitely something I'm very nostalgic for. But the music I listened too is still there, and more!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      I do agree, I've been getting back into Sabbath of late, and there's a lot of what I love about metal there. But it's a sapling of the genres I love today. I love listening to it, but It feels a little quaint to me in the current day. That doesn't take away from how amazing they were in their heyday. Same goes for all these legendary bands.

  • @ingridgabelo2934
    @ingridgabelo2934 26 дней назад +2

    Maravillosos "viejos"!!
    Deep Purple fué, es y será siempre de lo mejor.
    Larga vida a mis ídolos de toda la vida.💜💜💜💜💜

  • @branko4033
    @branko4033 Месяц назад +7

    Mk II is the Purple I grew up with and have loved ever since.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@branko4033 I've been listening to it now for a few days since the video. I think I have to agree! The more recent stuff is more polished, but there's something special to that album.

  • @Distortion360
    @Distortion360 Месяц назад +4

    All 3 singles have been great! The new album will be fun! The switch off the lights part made me laugh too!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      I'm so happy when I catch stuff like that on camera. No one would have believed me if I wasn't filming 🤣.
      I'll definitely be putting on the album on my next trip. I feel it's going to be a killer read trip album.

  • @davidclarke7122
    @davidclarke7122 Месяц назад +5

    The best music has been made in the last 10 years, yea, by bands that have been around since the 60s and 70s.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@davidclarke7122 not a bad point, I don't entirely agree, but those bands are the best at what they do. Because they've been doing it the longest. I do like to bring up that every artist stands on the shoulders of those who came before. You can find clips of people disregarding Elvis and the beatles as noise for stupid young people. And we know they were wrong.

    • @davidclarke7122
      @davidclarke7122 Месяц назад +1

      @@PeterCleff one of the issues I have with a lot of modern metal bands is that the singer doesn't actually sing, he / she just shouts down the mic. Now I'm not saying all, but a lot of them. Also post production is no substitute for talent and ability, how many modern bands actually sound better live than on the album?

  • @robertgonderinger9536
    @robertgonderinger9536 Месяц назад +3

    My copy of the album just came today!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@robertgonderinger9536 i am quite jealous! Did you get it in vinyl?

  • @korhanolcer1973
    @korhanolcer1973 Месяц назад +2

    Deep Purple =1 album is out now, Let's have your review 🤘

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      @@korhanolcer1973 I'll definitely be doing a review! I'm super excited! I'm hoping to have it out around Tuesday!

  • @johnwilkes681
    @johnwilkes681 Месяц назад +4

    Blackmore, Lord, Glover, Paice and Gillan , that to me was Deep Purple. Was lucky enough to see that line up a few times many years ago, before ticket prices went through the roof. Yes there have been many other great musicians in Purple over the years , Morse , Hughes, Coverdale etc. It divides opinion whether Purple and bands of that time should still be performing, but if it keeps the heritage alive , then why not.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@johnwilkes681 I honestly wish I could have seen them live in their heyday.
      I completely agree that keeping the legacy alive is important. I'm reminded of Queen that have Adam Lambert as the front man. He's not ever replacing Freddy, and he's not trying to. He's an incredible performer doing his own interpretation of those songs. I don't know if the band will have too many more years after Brian May passes, but I definitely understand the desire to keep these bands going.

    • @ernger531
      @ernger531 Месяц назад +2

      MK I was fine, very underrrated!

    • @michaelkarlsson5966
      @michaelkarlsson5966 21 день назад

      As much as I love Blackmore and Lord and other original members in other bands I can't for the life of me understand why a band shouldn't be allowed to perform as soon as they've changed the line up for what ever reason. The way I see it evolution, progression and change can't be stopped and must happen or else the art dies.

    • @kasperkjrsgaard1447
      @kasperkjrsgaard1447 18 дней назад +1

      To be honest Deep Purple was declining rapidly with Blackmore on the guitar leading up to him get up and thankfully leave. Joe Satriani was a breath of fresh air and gave the boys a joy and pleasure of playing live again. The 31 years with Steve Morse gave the band a stability - only disturbed with Jon Lord retiring - but a friend of the house in Don Airey was ready to step in. Simon McBride has in a way turned Deep Purple back to the former guitar sound and the future with these 75-80 years old boys looks as bright as possible.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  18 дней назад +1

      @kasperkjrsgaard1447 I tend to agree. I always think of bands like dragonforce or slipknot that have improved exponentially since enjoying a bit of member turnaround.

  • @marcespinoza5901
    @marcespinoza5901 7 дней назад +1

    They never stopped

  • @korhanolcer1973
    @korhanolcer1973 Месяц назад +2

    You are doing a very good job,looking wide and objective.Great job

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      Thank you so much! I definitely try to ad to the conversation. I really appreciate it.

  • @g32.recitales
    @g32.recitales 2 дня назад +1

    First song on the record is pure gold. Second and third song of =1 are amazing

  • @ricardoluistomasone4663
    @ricardoluistomasone4663 Месяц назад +2

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    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      I completely agree! As I've mentioned before, All good artists stand on the shoulders of those who came before them. Deep purple included. We sometimes forget bands like that also listened to music, and also were influenced as they wrote those early classics. Thanks for your perspective!

  • @FlavioRomoli-rb9nz
    @FlavioRomoli-rb9nz Месяц назад +3

    I respect your point of view and certainly many of those groups you mention (and which I have never heard of) make excellent music, but comparing them to Deep Purple is exactly if you compare an unknown jazz musician today to Miles Davis or Dizzy Gillespie, or as if you compare a classical composer of today to Bach or Beethoven or Mozart..... try to understand, and try to study the entire history of the Purple family, listen to their entire discography (which is endless), compare it with the discography of other historical bands of the 70s/80s/90s/2000s, look for their catalog on vinyl, cassette, CD, leaving aside RUclips and Spotify, and then perhaps you will understand that they are in the Olympus Gods of rock, and perhaps they are indeed Zeus.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      I like where you're going with this analogy, and I most definitely wouldn't claim to be an expert at all. But there were many who dismissed the likes of Miles Davis or Gillespie, incredible musicians in their own right, that have become icons to us in the modern times, but will have undoubtedly compared to the "good musicians" of their time.
      Bach and mozart lived roughly a 100 years apart. With Beethoven being somewhere in the middle. Mozart would be able to study both of them with the same context as we view Deep Purple and let's say for example the band I mentioned Periphery. Or the works of Miles Davis as compared to the discography of Snarky Puppy. If someone told Mozart, "nah, this beathoven guy doesn't know what he's doing, you should listen to Bach, back when they made real music" we, with the benefit of hindsight, would find that ridiculous.
      I'll definitely be engrossing myself in the discography of deep purple in the following months, but not because they're better, but because it gives me a better frame of refrence when I listen to bands that have since built on what they've brought to the table.
      I'm sure at the time of Mark 2, many people's favorite deep purple album, when they were in their 20s/30s, many could have said, " these new cats are making great music, but it's nothing compared to my favorite band from the 40s". And it would have been equally ridiculous then.
      I appreciate the comment! Keep digging into music!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@FlavioRomoli-rb9nz also, that end quote is incredible!

  • @allandriver2066
    @allandriver2066 28 дней назад +3

    They are...the OG. 😎🤘

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  28 дней назад

      For sure. A lot of musicians have been influenced by their work without even knowing it. When I did the full review I realised how much of my sound is like a heavier version of deep purple.

  • @bungopony
    @bungopony 21 день назад +1

    I don't think people are saying theres no good rock music. They're saying there's very little good pop music and I believe that as well.
    The rock bands you mentioned are word of mouth bands and the average person will never hear of them. It used to be that all music genres were heard on the radio. When I was a kid, many radio stations played country, pop, rock, motown, etc..on the same radio station. This is why so many older people know about so many types of music. Today we have to dig around a lot more in order to discover good bands.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  20 дней назад

      I completely agree. I will say the digging process isn't as hard as It was when I was in school in the 2000s. Now it's as easy as typing rock/metal/prog/jazz into spotify and you'll get a playlist of the biggest bands in that genre.
      "Good music" is a wierd topic because I believe there are songs that I would say are great modern metalcore songs. But they're bad pop songs. And to someone who likes 80s rock/metal those are just 2 flavors of bad young people music.
      All that being said, I completely agree. That's why I hope to showcase slightly deeper cuts with my reactions and reviews.

  • @billpet4602
    @billpet4602 Месяц назад +3

    From the last DP albums I liked Infinity. This one looks promising, McBride sounds more 70s DP style than Morse.
    However, Beato generally is right. Technology neutralized creativity. Every past decade was better and better.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      So firstly, I'll definately check out infinity. I've been enjoying getting into some rock and roll, as I mostly listen to modern stuff.
      That leads me to the next point. Beato gets A LOT of things right for sure. But you can find articles from the 60s and 70s hating on bands like DP and artists like Hendrix. There were a lot of people hating on the beetles in their day. And all the same things were said about the recording technology then too. Queen was criticized for using the technology available to them to layer vocals instead of recording a choir for real.
      I don't disagree that technology can be really detrimental to creativity. But having better tools does not somehow make a carpenter's work worse. Why would we say that about musicians?

  • @user-go6vn6ix7p
    @user-go6vn6ix7p Месяц назад +2

    They will be touring the US and Canada starting 14th August to 8th September

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@user-go6vn6ix7p one day i would love to see them live. Say what you will about older musicians. They kill live!

    • @flavio_spqr
      @flavio_spqr 26 дней назад +1

      @@PeterCleff I've seen twice live. First time in 2016 with Steve Morse, and in 2022 already with Simon McBride. Do yourself a favor. Go see them! They still rock hard!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  26 дней назад

      I definitely will If they come to my side of the pond!

  • @andrewbryant6019
    @andrewbryant6019 14 дней назад +2

    Does nobody think this sounds like Rainbow? Starstruck...

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  14 дней назад +1

      @@andrewbryant6019 I had to go look it up, but yes! It definitely sounds similar.

  • @johnnada6855
    @johnnada6855 Месяц назад +1

    Is a total HIT, and is very TIGHT and complex, i mean the drum fills are tight and perfect, the guitar arrengements are perfect and the organ of course stole the show, the vocals too, he kept his range and the bass was quiet but also had good riffs and arrengements, is a very PRO hit, good musicians they know their stuff

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      I most definitely agree. I'm working on an arrangement at the moment with organ, and this has served as a massive influence. A good musician knows how to do that balancing act between challenging yourself and playing to your strengths enough to not make something bad. That's what these older legends have absolutely mastered!

  • @AppleMan531
    @AppleMan531 24 дня назад +1

    Hi. My name is Eliot from NYC. Right now is a great time for Music! We have some great albums that came out like Hackney Diamonds - Rolling Stones, = 1 by Deep Purple, and the Brand New self titled REDD KROSS aka Red Album! I also like the new Crooked Boy EP by Ringo Starr - Great Tunes all written by Linda Perry from 4 Non Blondes! On the reissue side of music, I'm enjoying The Mind Games release by John Lennon. All the tunes are cleaned up and sound like a Brand New release, and love the Demos. Very underrated album by a Legendary artist. Plenty of Great Music out there for everyone to enjoy!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  24 дня назад

      Hi Eliot! I'll definitely check out REDD KROSS. As well as those rereleases you mentioned. I completely agree! Music fans are eating well!

  • @laurenzgraffilpenstein8117
    @laurenzgraffilpenstein8117 8 дней назад +1

    Greatest output: In Rock, Made in Japan, Perfect Strangers! Perhaps Machine Head, Fireball as well

  • @zingpulse4138
    @zingpulse4138 Месяц назад +3

    Production is not song writing. Today's production is better than ever but the songs are not. All music has is classic period. Even though Beethoven' work is recorded better today than anytime before there is noone today creating music like he did. The same can be said for rock. I listened and enjoy to a lot of music created post 2000 and overall only the recording has advanced.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@zingpulse4138 I appreciate the comment, but I genuinely challenge you to go looking through some lesser known artists. I completely agree there's a lot of garbage out there, but as someone who owns a lot of old vinyl, there has ALWAYS been trash. The good just get's remembered. I'll grant that styles change, but a lot of what rock use to do evolved into some of the metal genres. Just as rock grew out of blues. There are incredible orchestral composers living today who, in my opinion, are going to be the people we study in a 100 years. Just like beathoven. All that being said. The good stuff from the before times still exists. But we've built on them. Just as future generations will build on the work of the great songwriters of today. After I watched this video I revisited some Black Sabbath. It's...cool...edgy...influential...pioneering.. yes...but in my opinion, not even close to being the best songs ever written.
      Thanks for the comment, I'm glad to have this discussion.

    • @matthewashman1406
      @matthewashman1406 Месяц назад

      Rick is right as far as top 40 goes. 😮 Rick is not an uneducated idiot,but yeah love new music 🎵 that's cool.

  • @robertgonderinger9536
    @robertgonderinger9536 19 дней назад +1

    No, I donated my turntable to the cause years ago. CD with a bonus DVD

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  19 дней назад

      @@robertgonderinger9536 oohh nice! That's still very cool. I like getting physical media and merch more as as a way to support artists that to get the music.

  • @johnnada6855
    @johnnada6855 Месяц назад +1

    I think that it is a great time to be alive in the sense that this is an era where there are lots of STUFF everywhere, technology, documentations, collections, etc., but what is lacking?? people actually WORKING for new stuff, i hope this new purple album moves people to actually LEARN TO PLAY and be professionals, punk rock did a lot of harm, yes was necessary once but come on people, music needs not only creativity, it needs to be better by using creativity with professionalism, there is a need of more professionals in music and less mediocrity

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      I completely agree. Ironically the hard work you speak of is more present in smaller/newer bands/artists than you may think. Because you can't just get signed and make it big anymore. Most musicians, myself included, live life in the credits, but never in lights. The session musicians and producers of the world are doomed to be forgotten by history, but need to eat. So we work. In genre's that get dismissed as "lazy" or "commercial". And then we get accused of selling out. Look no further than the fact that no musician I know likes having to promote their work on TikTok or Instagram with cringy "did I just write the song of the summer?!?!?" videos. But have to suck it up. Being a tight session musician for a pop artist, In my opinion, Is harder work than playing in a rock band that plays to your strengths. All that being said, If you want to see people work hard in the rock sphere, get into Prog metal bands like Periphery, or artists like Jason Richardson.

  • @mateusdoria2487
    @mateusdoria2487 Месяц назад +3

    I really doubt that in 50 years we will be studying a band like we do today with The Beatles, for example. No way. I really hope to be alive in 50 years so we could discuss that. Rick Beato was talking about the top charts, nor forgotten musicians playing in garages. That’s the point. The pop music itself is getting used to garbage, reckless lyrics and poor rythyms. I agree we all find outstanding musicians playing in the sub stations, but that’s not what we are talking about right?

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@mateusdoria2487 I believe we agree. It's tough because thanks to the internet, we have charts for everything. One of the most popular songs in the last few years was by a band named Ghost. Mary on a cross. A band that sounds like Abba and Toto had a baby and raised it on Deep Purple. All because of a tik tok trend. Cody Fry has been doing great numbers, again because one of his arrangements went viral. Definitely check out Cody Fry, as he's one of the guys I'm convinced we'll still be discussing in a few decades.
      The tik tokification of music is a genuine problem. I see a lot of Songwriters basically just writing a catchy chorus and leaving in filler for the verses because "we just need 30 seconds of it to be good". So yes. As Rick pointed out a while back, guitar is on it's way back into mainstream music. Everything moves in waves.

  • @persbackman3535
    @persbackman3535 4 дня назад +1

    Actually, this organ sound is very much Rainbow

  • @johnnewman366
    @johnnewman366 Месяц назад +4

    Mate, you’re talking as if Purple is making some sort of a comeback, yes?
    You’re wrong, completely wrong, ok? They never left!
    Anyway....
    They formed in 1968, that’s 56 years ago, and still going strong, always touring, currently touring Europe (the only time they stopped touring was when everyone was forced to stop during Covid a few years back).
    The new album, ‘= 1’, will be their 23rd studio album too.
    *Ian Paice, drums - age 76, since 1968
    *Ian Gillan, vocals - age 78, since 1969
    *Roger Glover, bass - age 78, since 1969
    *Don Airey, Hammond organ - age 76, since 2002
    *Simon McBride, guitar - age 45, since 2022.
    Good solid rock n roll.
    Cheers from Oz,

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@johnnewman366 Thanks for the informative comment! This shows that even though I try to have my fingers on the pulse of what's going on, I've definitely missed things.
      I think some of the trouble is that those kinds of bands don't really tour is South Africa, where I'm from. And because of how distribution works in this day and age, if you're not actively following a band, it's easy to just flat out miss a release in the noise of social media and the millions of hours of content trying to pull at our attention spans.
      I am happy to hear that theres so much in the Deep Purple Discography that I can go dig into now. Nearly 60 years of music! Incredible.
      This does support the point I made later in the video though. If these bands are still delivering album after album, touring year after year, why are so many people pretending there's no good music?!
      Thank you for taking the time to check out my video and leave this comment! I'll definitely be looking into more of their recent work, now that I know about it.

    • @johnnewman366
      @johnnewman366 Месяц назад +1

      Mate, on the question of if there isn’t any good new music today, I wouldn’t go that far, not going to slag modern music, but I can understand why it is said.
      I’ll explain.
      I was born at the end of the 50s, grew up listening to all the ‘new’ styles of music in the 60s, 70s and into the 80s.
      What I find today (regardless of good musicians or not), is that to my ear, I’ve heard it all before, you can only play things a certain number of ways, everything starts to sounds like a rehash of a rehash of a rehash.
      Again, not saying there aren’t good musicians today, of course there are, or good new music.
      Being in my mid 60s now, it’s very hard to hear something brand new that hasn’t been done before, I don’t hear anything today and go ‘wow, never heard that before!’.
      As for Deep Purple or the Rolling Stones, etc, today anything new from them still sounds like them from 40 or 50 years ago, it’s ‘new’ but they have their own signature, and there is nothing wrong with that either.
      Perspective is different for all of us, my perspective will be totally different to yours.
      In 30 or 40 years from now, you might find it hard to hear anything ‘new’ too.
      Cheers,

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@johnnewman366 you make some very good points. I actually think I'll think on what you mentioned about everything being a rehash of something. We are currently living in the revival of a lot of 80s sounds being made. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
      I will say this though. I firmly believe, that if you ask people what they want, they'll usually say more of the same. They don't know they want new until it's given to them. So, record lables and artists play it safe. But then the other side of that coin, when someone does something new, a lot of us lift our noses. "That's too wierd" "too dissonant" "challenges me too much" so then we go back to the comfy worn in shoes of our favorite bands.
      I appreciate your perspective on the matter. I hope that I can oneday make music that makes people feel the way bands like deep purple make us feel.

    • @philipveerman7526
      @philipveerman7526 28 дней назад +1

      That is a good comment. Yes, this presenter should have gotten his information better organised before doing this. It should be easy to get your facts straight from such a well-known and documented history. I saw DP twice in late 1984 (Canberra & Melbourne) and at least once, on every return tour to Australia, from 1999 to 2013, in either Sydney, Canberra or Wollongong. Sad that Steve Morse had to retire. I'm interested to see how well Simon McBride will go. He is a lot younger.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  28 дней назад

      I completely agree. I'll say this. With these reaction videos i like to go in as blind as possible. As I find that too much research can colour in my opinions. The review I posted of the full album on my channel, I think does a better job doing justice to my thoughts of this song, but the band in general as the linup exists today.

  • @Nannavanwyk
    @Nannavanwyk Месяц назад +1

    Gooe morning
    Uour dad would have loved it....
    I also laughed when your light went out at the same time as when they sang about lights....

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@Nannavanwyk I agree. And that might be one of the funniest things I've ever caught on film.

  • @DavidOHara-t4b
    @DavidOHara-t4b 5 дней назад

    Deep Purple were and are a class act . They spawned Rainbow, Whitesnake and PAL , all of whom were almost as big as Purple themselves. Saw them all and they were all brilliant at what they do . Simon Mc bride is a 1st class player .Almost as good as Ritchie? Discuss.

  • @ukcryptolondonbased2953
    @ukcryptolondonbased2953 Месяц назад +3

    When I listen to Rick Beato it sounds like an old guy unable to deal with change. At the same time, I drove past some local practice hall lately and could hear the kids trying to play Slash licks from 30 something years ago.
    I think there is some truth in the idea of pre 2000s music being 'better'. A less cynical world allowed it to happen. Feels like our culture is collectively at its third album stage today. Be Here Now!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      That is such a great comparison. "The third album stage"
      I'll also ad, that I finf those albums get reevaluated eventually and become loved.🤣 I still sound check with sweet child of mine every time I check my lead tones for gigs. But I also check my cleans with Slow dancing in a burning room. There's definitely a nugget of truth in there though.

    • @jjryan1352
      @jjryan1352 Месяц назад

      When i hear the "get off my lawn" argument it sounds like people who don't understand nuance.

  • @Jonniboi-di7qu
    @Jonniboi-di7qu Месяц назад +2

    tell your grand dads 😁

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@Jonniboi-di7qu looool🤣🤣🤣👌

  • @seabud6408
    @seabud6408 Месяц назад +1

    Jon Lord was right .. in terms of hard rock music Purple and their contemporaries “had the best of it”
    The seam has been mined. Seeing the likes of Deep Purple in 1972 literally blew your mind .. you hadn’t seen/heard anything like it. They were making it up as they went along. There are still great solo acts/bands .. Steven Wilson, Porcupine Tree, Mastodon come to mind.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      I'll definitely check out those bands you mentioned at the end. I come back to this idea often. But your comment cemented it for me. If you want modern music that scratches the itch left by bands like deep purple. Don't go looking for bands that sound like deep purple again. Look for innovations. Bands that are rewriting the playbook. I've mentioned them a bunch. But Periphery has release a documentary along with every album, and it's so cool to see them push the boundaries of what guitars can do. An older song I always recommend is Marigold. Scarlett is also great. But off their new album, Wax Wings. It absolutely blew me away.
      I wish I could see 70s deep purple live, but I am hopeful to see them live in my lifetime.

  • @andywindes4968
    @andywindes4968 День назад +1

    Yeah, maybe I'd be more inclined to give you more credit if you knew the DECADE that "Smoke On The Water" came out.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  23 часа назад +1

      @@andywindes4968 that is a fair point. In my defense, I did say I'm a VERY casual fan. Since this video I've given the band some well deserved time. My review of the album is a little more researched, but I try to keep these reactions a little more off the cuff and honest in the moment. Otherwise It feels disingenuous. Partially that's why I wanted to do the full review. So I could put a little more respect on Deep Purple's name.

    • @andywindes4968
      @andywindes4968 20 часов назад +1

      @@PeterCleff That came across a little snarkier than I intended now that I read it. I disagreed with your premise that there is more good music out now than ever and accidentally slipped into "old man yelling at the clouds" mode. 😵‍💫

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  10 часов назад

      @andywindes4968 haha that's brilliant! I completely get that. I have the opinion that nostalgia blinds us. I'm already slipping into that as I'm entering my 30s. Occasionally lifting my fist at a lazy song. But if you know where to look. Some real kick ass stuff is being made today.

  • @trebleface7835
    @trebleface7835 Месяц назад +1

    The thing is when you grew up on 60s 70s 80s and 90s music and you hear new rock music you just automatically hear that it’s all been done before. So except for the production it’s nothing new for the older fans.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      So I definitely agree that bands who continue to make rock/blues will sound similar to what came before. They're using a lot of the same gear, the same writing methods and most importantly, they are outright trying to sound like a specific era of music. That's why I advocate looking at genres that have evolved out of rock. As an example, Animals as Leaders is a band that make music That's clearly influenced by rock and metal before them. But they've invented/perfected techniques on the guitar that didn't exist a few decades ago.
      I was fortunate to have a dad who raised me on the greats. The early rock players were innovators. And unfortunately, when we hear something new, we generally don't like it. Especially when the new thing plays with the tropes of the thing we like. Rock/blues music doesn't scratch all the itches for me. Neither does moders rock. I love me some prog metal, but that doesn't work for good road trip music. And bands like deep purple do!
      Comparing a modern metal band to a metal band from the 70s is like Comparing Deep Purple to Elvis. There's a through line, and your allowed to like one or the other, but it's not really a fair comparison.

  • @jensvoigtlaender4956
    @jensvoigtlaender4956 Месяц назад +1

    Even as a "medium fan", you should know your decades... Especially when working in the buiseness by yourself. Preparation is key! ;-)

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      Haha. I completely agree, that was bad planning on my end.🤣👌Google exists, I could have just checked and edit it out🤣

    • @jensvoigtlaender4956
      @jensvoigtlaender4956 Месяц назад

      @@PeterCleff *lol* no harm done! ;-)

  • @persbackman3535
    @persbackman3535 4 дня назад

    Gillan is 79. The others Arondagen that.

  • @carsonfarley2560
    @carsonfarley2560 Месяц назад +2

    Dead Purple

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@carsonfarley2560 looool🤣👌harsh

  • @jessemcdonald3836
    @jessemcdonald3836 Месяц назад +2

    Please listen to the Steve Morse era of Deep Purple (Purpendicular 1996 to Whoosh 2020). My all time favourite era.

  • @astrogoodvibes6164
    @astrogoodvibes6164 Месяц назад +1

    If your ear is tuned to a 2000's sensibility, then Tom Waits, Lynyrd Skynyrd, CCR, Led Zep, Bachman Turner Overdrive, Bad Company, ZZ Top, Rory Gallagher, T Rex, Eric Clapton, The New Faces, Sweet, Supertramp, DP(phase 2 & 3), ELO, Doobies, Jethro Tull, Queen, Nazareth, Cream, Peter Frampton, Allman Brothers, Jeff Beck, Blondie, Zappa, James Gang, The Pretenders, Lou Reed, Chicago, Dire Straits, Heart, Thin Lizzy, Bowie, Seals & Crofts, Roxie Music, Budgie, Steely Dan, Iggy Pop, ELP, the Clash, Santana and a slew of others including Stevie Wonder, Linda Ronstadt and JJ Cale, won't make much sense. All of the above were on pop chart radio lists with songs released as singles or in popular music record stores as albums.
    I would argue from the bands above that though there is good music around today, the wider diversity of genres, styles and originality in the '70's was greater. They included: hard rock, blues rock, folk rock, country rock, prog, funk, soul, R&B, reggae,
    psychedelic rock, punk, orchestral rock, texmex, yacht rock, jazz rock & fusion and some bands experimented with all genres, even on the same album.
    Whether they were ''better'' than today is down to the way your ear is tuned I reckon.
    The bands you mentioned at the end of your vid were kinda samey for my spoiled ear but they're still good, just not 'great'
    When I was a kid, if bands put out stinkers, we told em so with our wallet.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      You make a bunch of great points. And bring up some of my all time favorite bands.
      It's such a nuanced topic, that I honestly think I want to explore in a full video at some point.
      All that being said, genre diversity is massive today. As I said, the radio isn't going to play a lot of it, because they have to appease advertisers by having as many as possible listeners. So they play what is safe. It is telling that, at least in my country, 80s get a lot of play. Not because it's better. But because it's safe. With RUclips, it's possible for people to write challenging music, or catchy music or something in between. The nuances in metal subgenres is a toppic that my friend group discusses almost daily.
      I think something that I already don't want to accept is that the 2000s sensibilities, are already 2 decades out dated. And I'm already seeing the wonderful drug of nostalgia tricking millennials into thinking 2007 was one of the best years for (insert favourite sub genre here) all the new bands are too (insert favourite nit pick here).
      I really appreciate the conversation, you've definitely shown me a few new bands I'll have to check out.🙏🙏

    • @astrogoodvibes6164
      @astrogoodvibes6164 Месяц назад +1

      @@PeterCleff Thanks for taking the time to reply, man. I think if there's anything I've learned since I started listening to and buying my own music, it's that, if I want to find new and interesting stuff, I had to dig a bit and try and expand my appreciation. Having done that for some decades now, I know there is a ton of great music out there that I've added to my playlist. There may not be a stupifying volume of bands and styles I remember from back then but there sure is still some tasty gems and hard working bands out there.
      Some I've discovered and listen to regularly are bands like Left Lane Cruiser, Junkie XL, Too Slim and the Taildraggers, Jim Suhler, Tame Impala, Medeski Martin and Wood, Suede, the Drones, Wolfmother, Eagles of Death Metal and I've been a big fan of Primus for a while now. All are on par with anything from the '60's '70's and '60's.
      As I'm getting older, my taste has stretched to a lot of jazz/rock fusion and there's a ton of stuff coming out of Scandinavia and eastern Europe.
      Keep up the great content, brother. I like that you have strong opinions about the music you enjoy. A healthy too and fro is good for the soul and I've found it's never too late to learn new things. No one can go wrong if they dig the vibe.......peace
      ps: Just for kicks, you might like to check out a Scottish group from the '70's if you're not doing anything else, called the Sensational Alex Harvey band and for a good intro to their music I might suggest ''the Dolphins'' from their 1979 album 'Rock drill' They do everything from a 'School's Out' cover to old standards like 'Delilah' to full rock opera epics and hard rock. (link): ruclips.net/video/RM2dc1K6UgQ/видео.html

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      @astrogoodvibes6164 thanks for the link! I'll definitely be looking them up!
      I love having this conversation. And I definitely expect for my perspective on the matter to shift over time. I definitely think bands that are a bit more on the fusion side are some of my favorites.
      Thanks again for adding your perspective to the conversation!

    • @astrogoodvibes6164
      @astrogoodvibes6164 Месяц назад

      @@PeterCleff That's very gracious of you brother.
      I guess the thing I miss most is, though the music I was weaned on could be heavy and sometimes dark, most bands of that time didn't take themselves too seriously and I like a bit of light and shade.
      The experimentation was always risky but the competition for new material did yield some wild and exciting catalogs. It makes sense to me that music could be a reflection of my own life. It wasn't just an escape, it became a friend on the road.
      Peace be on your house, brother.
      ps: I remember the words of a dude called Dutch Tilders ''the blues had a baby and the called it rock and roll''

  • @AnthonyUK100
    @AnthonyUK100 Месяц назад +1

    Classic Whitsnake rif.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@AnthonyUK100 That's incredible.

    • @AnthonyUK100
      @AnthonyUK100 Месяц назад

      @@PeterCleff ruclips.net/video/y16dNTx-xVw/видео.htmlsi=dqHm9h_pU5LG-5cF&t=7

  • @micaelnilsson1024
    @micaelnilsson1024 Месяц назад +1

    Iet's fight then!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@micaelnilsson1024 Haha! My fists re up🤣I am mostly being silly, but I stand by what I said. I think.

  • @milosdunjic8718
    @milosdunjic8718 Месяц назад +1

    Rick Beato, who?

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      @@milosdunjic8718 lol. I feel like every guitarist I know, loves or hates the guy. I'm a fan, even though he's a little wrong about things every now and then🤣Check out his interviews with other musicians. Loads of fun.

  • @stevenfunderburg1623
    @stevenfunderburg1623 Месяц назад +3

    Rick Beato is wrong about nothing. He is God almighty and disagreeing with him confines you to a place of relative obscurity.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +2

      @@stevenfunderburg1623 I don't know if you noticed, I'm a RUclips musician with less than a 1000 subs. I OWN RELATIVE OBSCURITY!!!

    • @stevenfunderburg1623
      @stevenfunderburg1623 Месяц назад +1

      @@PeterCleff 😂😂🤣😂 I was just being a dick. But tread carefully. Rick is the ultimate "Cool Dad".

    • @jasperdevries1726
      @jasperdevries1726 18 дней назад +1

      @@PeterCleff That's the spirit!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  18 дней назад

      No offense taken😁👌I do agree. I've looked up to his channel for a good long while. And I firmly support learning as much as possible from those who have been in the industry longer than you.

  • @sabbaseleftheriadis5601
    @sabbaseleftheriadis5601 24 дня назад +1

    Nice review for their best album in 40 years, since "Perfect strangers". Warning, I am not interested in Morse's fans comments, 'right? You re going to be insulted if you attempt it. Why people are referring to Morse all of the focking time? Talk about Simon McBride, he's the guitarist. Morse is a prog guitarist playing for flying colours. Can you please shut the hell up about that dull prog guitarist Morse and start talking about heavy rock riffing master that is Simon McBride?

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  24 дня назад +1

      @@sabbaseleftheriadis5601 I completely agree! I always like evaluating when bands have a change in their roster. I might do a full video about this at some point, but I think more often than not, it's for the better. Especially with older bands.

    • @sabbaseleftheriadis5601
      @sabbaseleftheriadis5601 24 дня назад +1

      @@PeterCleff I also like to re-evaluate the new sound of a beloving band, especially after a major change in line up 😀 My conclusion is that their new addition, as well as the album, rocks so hard that we've possibly presented with a monumental album. An album worthy to be compared with their heavy rock hitter albums of the past, not the soft prog stuff they gave us the last 30 years 😅 that was my rant all about. Simon & Don duo should only be compared with Ritchie & Lord, it's just that good!

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  23 дня назад

      @sabbaseleftheriadis5601 I definitely agree. I think this album is turning a lot of heads. And that's awesome!

  • @caseyfreeman3994
    @caseyfreeman3994 Месяц назад +1

    I think the power up album by AC/DC is my favorite

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@caseyfreeman3994 I completely agree! I know some purests will disagree, but I still spin that bad boy from time to time!

    • @caseyfreeman3994
      @caseyfreeman3994 Месяц назад +1

      @@PeterCleff through the mist of time is my favorite song on that album. They still sound the same like back in the day

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @caseyfreeman3994 it's a classic! It's the first song I heard from the album here on RUclips, so I also have a soft spot for that one. It also served as inspiration for a song I wrote for a client a while back. Good stuff!

    • @caseyfreeman3994
      @caseyfreeman3994 Месяц назад +1

      @@PeterCleff that album is only 4 years old

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @caseyfreeman3994 A modern classic I should say. Again, I believe classics are still being written today.

  • @prozac20mg
    @prozac20mg Месяц назад +1

    And yet he's Ricky Beato, his credential say a bit more about music than your 852 subs...

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@prozac20mg astute observation. He also has about 40 years of experience on me. But everything takes time. I would never pretend I know everything, but I'm also a professional. With a fair amount, granted less than him, of experience in songwriting, live performance and production. So I'm allowed to have an opinion that's different from his.
      I should also say, I am a fan of his.

  • @peterdefrankrijker
    @peterdefrankrijker Месяц назад +2

    I *am* a hardcore Deep Purple fan, but MkII will never be surpassed and this can’t hold a candle to it.
    Purple without Lord and Blackmore and Gillan’s 70s vocal cords is like chips with vinegar. It’s edible, but you just miss the salt.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      That is incredibly well put! Changes in a band's roster are always hard, but especially when It comes to vocals, It can be super hit or miss.

    • @johnnewman366
      @johnnewman366 Месяц назад +3

      Hardcore DP fan? What does that even mean?
      Blackmore quit MORE than 30 years ago, Jon Lord retired 22 years ago and died 12 years ago.
      As for Gillan’s voice, what do you expect happens to any singers voice after 50+ years of singing?
      Why bother even commenting if Blackmore hasn’t been in the band since 1993, or Lord since 2002?
      Mate, get over it, move on, get a life.

    • @peterdefrankrijker
      @peterdefrankrijker Месяц назад +2

      @@johnnewman366 Right back at you, kid.

    • @johnnewman366
      @johnnewman366 Месяц назад

      Kid? That’s the best you’ve got?
      Mate, I ain’t no kid, probably been around the block more times than you.
      You would be what us Aussies call a Wanker.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      So bands aren't allowed to keep existing after a roster change?

  • @eddhardy1054
    @eddhardy1054 Месяц назад +1

    I'll definitely fight ya mate. Yeah there was shit stuff in the 60s, 70s & 80s but modern shit stuff is way shittier...

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      Happy to have this conversation 🤣what specifically is the modern shit stuff? I ask, not because I don't believe you, but because I've heard people call kiss, def Leppard, queen, etc "dorky". So what is "shitty" is really relative.
      Also, I'll counter by saying. The shitty might be shittier, but the good is even gooder.🤣👌

    • @eddhardy1054
      @eddhardy1054 Месяц назад +1

      @@PeterCleff Surely you mean gooderer? 🤔 (😉😊). But seriously what modern music is better than the stuff done by The Beatles, Stones, Kinks, Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Sabbath, Purple, Steely Dan, Supertramp etc etc etc etc etc etc ...?

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @eddhardy1054 of course, gooderer. Or maybe even most bestest.
      It's all about context. If your looking for deep lyrics, I find most of the beetles catalog lacking. So for a modern alternative I'd suggest Cody Fry. In fact his work with cory wong is a great shout for some funk grooves if you're into that sort of thing. If you're keen on hendrix, check out Remarkably Human by Nick Johnson. Incredible album with great riffs and songwriting. If you want bluesy guitars, but with more of a fusion vibe, check out Jack gardener. Virtuoso guitar/piano in the style of dream theater Arch Echo/Plini. If you're getting tired of the harmonic simplicity of some of those bands from the 70s and 80s, feel free to Check out Dirty Loops, Jacob Collier. If you want tight funky grooves, Vulfpeck is killer. If you like the theatrics of bands like kiss, Definitely check out Ghost. Also crazy good writing if you like metaphors and 80s instrumentation. And if you're looking for something a bit more traditional, albeit a bit more chill, almost beatles esque, but a bit more disco/funk pomplamoose.
      Again, those bands you mentioned, are the best versions of exactly that thing they do. But the bands that have come since have built on them. Just like they built on what came before them.
      I'll definitely go check out some of the ones I don't recognize though, thanks!

  • @korhanolcer1973
    @korhanolcer1973 Месяц назад +1

    do not ever bother rick beato, he is just a youtube guy

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      @@korhanolcer1973 You would be surprised just how respected he is in certain circles.

    • @korhanolcer1973
      @korhanolcer1973 Месяц назад

      @@PeterCleff Just like Deep Purple

    • @ernger531
      @ernger531 Месяц назад

      No, he is a multi-instrumentalist, music producer, and educator. Since the early 1980s, he has worked variously as a musician, songwriter, audio engineer, and record producer; he has lectured on music at several universities. he studied at Ithaca College obtaining a Bachelor of Arts degree in classical bass. He earned a master's degree in jazz guitar studies from the New England Conservatory of Music in 1987.
      So, who are you?

    • @korhanolcer1973
      @korhanolcer1973 Месяц назад

      @@ernger531 I am a Deep purple fan and a music lover.

    • @ernger531
      @ernger531 Месяц назад +1

      @@korhanolcer1973 So Rick Beato

  • @jjryan1352
    @jjryan1352 Месяц назад +1

    Yeah I disagree. The main riff sounds like ZZ Top redux. You seriously think after millions of songs and new genres it's easy to come up with something new? This was bland and you sound like an apologist.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад

      A shuffle does not a ZZ top riff make. It might also be fair to say that if your songwriting sensibilities are stuck in the 70s, your music will seem derivative np matter what.

  • @xoazaja653
    @xoazaja653 Месяц назад +1

    Rick Beato is right. You´re nobody.

    • @PeterCleff
      @PeterCleff  Месяц назад +1

      Friend, I've been a fan of Beato since before his channel blew up. Just like my 800 subs are here in the early days of my channel. We're all nobodies to someone. You can be successful and also wrong sometimes.