I have been waiting for this deadly combination of two intellectual gaints of Sanathana Dharma.A true treasure for people who want to understand Indian Civilization in its original form.Pranaams to the feet of both🙏🙏🙏🙏.
May God bless patriots like Sri.Gurumurthy-ji with a VERY long and healthy life. Jai Hind. Thanks to Rajiv-ji for bringing Gurumuthy-ji to the forum. Friends, please consider donating to Infinity Foundation. (I sent them a cheque for $100 last week).
Rajivji i can't express my feelings for you in words, you are silently doing great service to the cause of Bharat. Your sacrifices will definitely turn in sweet fruits in coming years. Jai Santana Dharma
Great man! Proud to be from a country where such intellectuals are born and guiding us. Thanks Mr. Gurumurthy, I am proud to be an Tamilian Indian American!
What an INCREDIBLE MIND! hats off Gurumurthy Sir! Thanks for bringing such great knowledge to us Rajiv sir with everything you are doing. Any amount of praise would seem insufficient.
Total video answers only one question about culture and economics......Such a detailed answer and look at the keen ness of Rajiv while he is taking in the points...my best 26 minutes of life
I have followed SG & RM for more than 12 years now and it is a huge blessing that we dharmiks have such intellectual giants guiding us in our effort to rediscover our dharmik identity. Our colonial past, Nehruvian socialism, Indic narratives through the lens of Marxist historians/intellectuals, Western universalist paradigm of society, culture & economy etc. had thoroughly muddled our thinking and the way we understood the world. These gentlemen, along with host of other great Hindu thinkers, have helped immensely in redefining an identity based on dharma traditions. My gratitude knows no bounds. Thank you Rajiv ji & Gurumurthy ji.
Outstanding.. Thank You Rajivji.. Eyeopening Discussion With Gurumurthy ji.. Communism n Capitalism is The Head n Tail of the Same Coin..that's Church.. Murvellous.. Thank You Once again..
Shiben Shome Exactly that was such an eye opener.. I mean you know none of them is great just which one is the lesser evil but this hits you like realizing something!
All your interviews are par excellence; but this is utter brilliance. Gurumurthy Ji should write a book about Indian vs Western Government/socio-political models.
This video is must watch for all patriot burecrats politicians judicial businessmen so that blindly copying appointing MNC should stop let's go back to DHARMA
Once again GURUji gives amazing insight. Can't wait for remaining 2 parts....curiosity is taking better of me to keep checking for the video every 10min... :D
It is a wonderful insight into how the economic models of the world have evolved and how the social and economic activities detached from the indigenous cultures failed in today's world.
Hindus have to build a strong dharmik ecosystem in which they can survive and flourish as a civilization rooted in dharma , we need many selfless activists for this purpose..market- driven western capitalist societies have degenerated into cesspool of debauchery, individualism and materialism ...we must not aspire to be like them in terms of ideology , we need modern technology , but our thought process should be rooted in dharma
i am just in awe with this guys. Every video of his is an eye opener for me and i believe for every Indian who wants to know their roots. He is empowering average Indian with the Grand India Narrative which was distorted deliberately by colonial rulers Nehru, leftist authors like Romila Thappr , westerners and more importantly their implanted sepoys for years. The govt still has a herculean task to correct the history books which treats our freedom fighters like Veer Sawarkar, Bhagat Singh and many more as terrorist. Each Hindus should do more research on our ancient scriptures to be enlightened and be able to stand firm and not be apologetic to western world. #LearnSanskrit #BelieveInYourHeritage #ReintroduceHinduismToHindu
A classic interview with s.gurumurti ,every word guru ji spoke peels off layer by layer the economic onion that the west cultivated..Wanted to listen him endlessly.
Brilliant discussion by S Gurumurthyji of high quality and he is educating the people who view this video. Rajeevji and Gurumurthyji are great combination of great intellectuals. This video is simply superb. Thanks a lot
People who wrote indian constitution ( actually cut-past-copy from western constitutions !! ) were indians only from outside but thoroughly-100% westernised from inside ! . So what really happened in 1947 was that india slipped from visible british control to control by westernised indians (british indians). So the remote control continued albeit in an invisible way ! . The people whom we trusted as our own were actually britishers in Indian clothes !! ( nehru topi with khadi dress with a british mind ). How was the indian constitution written ? Was it really written from scratch ? Was it written from the accumulated indian experiences / understanding of past & vision of future ? Was it a Cut paste copy from the western constitutions ? While the Congress leaders were in Ahmednagar jail in 1940s , they were discussing ther future constitution of free India post 1947. The British government allowed copies of documents of british constitution & related literature to be accessed & discussed by congress leaders ! Questions must be raised on the coordinated work of Dr Ambedkar himself !
I wonder y Indians did not use their own experience and knowledge to write the constitution, based on Dharmic principles, it is so vast and comprehensive...
You wonder WHY ? India has been still ruled by Remote Control.1947 independence was a sham too! Continuum of conspiracies is still ONGOING !!!! Five East India Companies were replaced with many many others.That's WHY ! 2014 , Modi has started WAKING US out of our DEEP SLUMBER . Politically speaking . INTELLECTUAL KSHATRYATWAM IS BEING AWAKENED BY OUR WELL-WISHERS LIKE SRI GURUMURTHI JI , SRI RAJIVJI AND A FEW OTHERS LIKE THEM. We are Eternally Grateful to these True Rishis.
Hindus have to build a strong dharmik ecosystem in which they can survive and flourish as a civilization rooted in dharma , we need many selfless activists for this purpose..market- driven western capitalist societies have degenerated into cesspool of debauchery, individualism and materialism ...we must not aspire to be like them in terms of ideology , we need modern technology , but our thought process should be rooted in dharma
Thank you Rajiv ji for doing this lecture with Gurumurthy ji. Rajiv ji I would request you to have conversation with Advocate J Sai Deepak who is fighting the Hindu Temple cases in the court.
Thank you Gurumurthy Ji and Rajiv. What a brilliant man. Why is he left out of ministerial cabinet of the bjp government? We need passionate, patriotic people like Gurumurthy Ji running the ministry of finance and culture. I have been a follower and a great admirer of this man and his absolute devotion to Kanchi Maha Periyaval. Pranams 🙏
Shri Gurumurthyji has said very clearly that according to the instruction of his guru, Sri Kanchi Maha Periyava, he has chosen not to occupy any position of power (meaning any government office including a membership in the Rajya Sabha, which was offered to him by the BJP Government). We need many more independent thinkers without the entanglement of government office.
I listened to the illuminating and inspiring speech Rajiv Malhotra gave in the British Parliament. I suppose that he can do a great favor to India by creating a platform for debates and brainstorming about how to improve the governance of Indian democracy. The present framework of the Constitution of India was written around late 1940's following the British parliamentary system. In last 70 years, India has grown in population by 4 times, number of political parties has increased by almost two orders of magnitude, there is an erosion of intellectualism among politicians (in comparison to Nehru era), India is competing against China and other far-East Asian countries that are extremely well-managed, politicians generally lack education and training, and so on. The concept of western democracy was founded in smaller European countries having one-tenth of India's population. This model fails in larger countries with huge diversity, staggering poverty, limited literacy, and so on. An unrestrained democracy with multiple combating political parties lead to the formation of coalition governments that struggle to survive and cannot undertake long-term constructive projects to forge the country forward. Modernization of Indian democracy can be mooted through concerted discourses and deliberations by Indian intellectuals both in India and abroad providing the parliamentarians to upgrade the constitutional framework. Such open discussions will promote numerous questions that warrant reviewing. Should the central government be strengthened by holding the national election once in 10 years? Should the state elections remain once in 5 years to foster new political ideologies? Should politicians be required to attend special administration institutes to improve effectiveness in their executive role? Should there be a threshold requirement in terms of the number of parliament seats for a party to have the national status? Should there be multiple (4 or 5) autonomous zones in India being led by separate deputy prime ministers? Many such important issues need to be publicly debated to enable Indian democracy for the future viability in terms of political stability, sustained economic growth, effective governance, utilization of human capital, and so on. Pinaki Mazumder Ann Arbor, Michigan
Pujya Gurumurthyji +Rajivji = Vishva Gnyan Diwali Fireworks . घन्यवाद। This discussion can become even more understandable by linking changes in state-religeon-economy models with the corresponding turning points in world history.Adam Smith 'Wealth of Nations' Political Economy model is linked with shifting community-sized industries from Bharat-Chin to empire-sized industries in England. The individual-protestant-capitalacommunism model - is linked with 'cake walk' conquest of the New World.Models were crafted by scholars for internal discourse after the fact. Then externally imposed in 1st phase by GUN until molded into a governable state. 2nd phase was UN governance of that state. 1st phase had treaties-laws-constitution-state; 2nd intl agrmnts& human rights.
Voice to text of Dr. S Gurumurthy - 2 These principles informed the constitutional law even today. Example: during Emergency 1975-1977, rests on these principles. The principle of eminent domain was not applicable prior to the British invasions. Because the King had no right to take over others property. It is in Magna Carta, this was modified into "Pay the compensation and take the property" But in India, even after paying compensation, The King had no rights to take the land, He had to purchase through the panchayat.The question of right to life was divine right, so there was no question of anybody taking away your right to life. So, this Constitutional paradigm and economic paradigm aligned and rested on individuals. So how the democratic movement changed the ‘Divine right theory’, into what is known as "Social Contract" theory, by Hobbes, who said, we (Indians) are basically an anarchic kind of people, we cannot live together, We only kill each other. So we need a Leviathan state to make us behave, and so the state has all the powers, all the Rights. So he secularized the divine right theory into the State. Only one modification was brought about by John Locke said that it has to be an elected State. Once we elect the State, the state has the same power. It can declare Emergency, it can acquire anyone's property, So the character of the State did not change. It is only that the people give consent every five years to the state to do the things which are divine right, King could do. So this is one paradigm. Indian Context : But in India we didn't had this before the advent of Eurpoeans ruling us, but after emergency 1975-77, the Government said that the State has no right to touch the life of an individual. This is our original vision. Why its mentioned, Max weber & the entire polity, Economics, relationship between the state and the individual were shaped basically by the Christian discipline. Conclusion : So God as authoritarian, absolute, to King becoming the absolute, to a State becoming the absolute especially democratically elected, this is the ruler-ruled relationship which has been consistent, quite different from ours. Christianity destroyed all of the relationship and substituted the Church in place of everything. So it has really prepared the ground for Max Weber's theorization. Bertrand Russell argues that, Karl Marx's Marxism is also Christianity substituting State for Church. The substitution of State for the Church was the function of the secular socialist movement.
If western model is destined to fail , it is because its metaphysical foundation is flawed ! . As Gurumurthy pointed out Political Christianity( read Churchinity) , Islam (derived from the same abrahamic mold ! ) & ideologies like fascism & communism are all derivatives from the Christiandom. ! Fascism aroused & failed or was defeated in 1945 itself (life span was 15 yrs or less) Communism failed in 1990s ( around 73 yrs of active life) Christian saw its major split in medieval age with protestant movement & growing atheism in the west may be a major challenge Islam ? The questioning has already started in an intense manner with 9/11 . But it seems that that a world war will settle that ! Only after ALL the western ideas are tried / tested & they fail , will the world turn to Dharmic vision !
Capitalism has pushed religion to the back seat in western countries, money has become their de facto God.. communism only leads to anarchy ,Marx was an anarchist..his Utopia of a stateless classless society sounds like a state of anarchy .. unbridled materialism, consumerism in a capitalist system will lead western societies to a point of degeneration where they will not only overthrow capitalism, but also abandon all kinds of authority and hierarchy and return to the state of anarchy
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I have been waiting for this deadly combination of two intellectual gaints of Sanathana Dharma.A true treasure for people who want to understand Indian Civilization in its original form.Pranaams to the feet of both🙏🙏🙏🙏.
Deadly combination. ? lol.
Gurumurthy is a national treasure
May God bless patriots like Sri.Gurumurthy-ji with a VERY long and healthy life. Jai Hind. Thanks to Rajiv-ji for bringing Gurumuthy-ji to the forum. Friends, please consider donating to Infinity Foundation. (I sent them a cheque for $100 last week).
I am estactic to see our two Great Hindu Thinkers together, defenders of our Hindu Dharma !!!
Rajivji i can't express my feelings for you in words, you are silently doing great service to the cause of Bharat. Your sacrifices will definitely turn in sweet fruits in coming years. Jai Santana Dharma
Thanks Rajivji for this conversation with great guru. Two great souls together will make best video of 2018.
Great man! Proud to be from a country where such intellectuals are born and guiding us. Thanks Mr. Gurumurthy, I am proud to be an Tamilian Indian American!
Why did you run to America?
What an INCREDIBLE MIND! hats off Gurumurthy Sir! Thanks for bringing such great knowledge to us Rajiv sir with everything you are doing. Any amount of praise would seem insufficient.
Total video answers only one question about culture and economics......Such a detailed answer and look at the keen ness of Rajiv while he is taking in the points...my best 26 minutes of life
Gurumurthy's brilliance is superb!! His RCA (Root Cause Analysis) is unmatched!!
I have followed SG & RM for more than 12 years now and it is a huge blessing that we dharmiks have such intellectual giants guiding us in our effort to rediscover our dharmik identity. Our colonial past, Nehruvian socialism, Indic narratives through the lens of Marxist historians/intellectuals, Western universalist paradigm of society, culture & economy etc. had thoroughly muddled our thinking and the way we understood the world. These gentlemen, along with host of other great Hindu thinkers, have helped immensely in redefining an identity based on dharma traditions. My gratitude knows no bounds. Thank you Rajiv ji & Gurumurthy ji.
Outstanding.. Thank You Rajivji.. Eyeopening Discussion With Gurumurthy ji.. Communism n Capitalism is The Head n Tail of the Same Coin..that's Church.. Murvellous.. Thank You Once again..
Shiben Shome Exactly that was such an eye opener.. I mean you know none of them is great just which one is the lesser evil but this hits you like realizing something!
the beauty of creation is diversity...
There seems to be no end to the interesting topics Rajiv finds out, interviewing one brilliant person after another.
Gurumurthy Ji you are simply amazing. Your grasp on the subject matter is mind-blowing.
This is brilliant. This series of the 3 parts should become part of every school curriculum and also college education.
We are Very Proud Of You Both
Ground breaking! Way forward for Dharmic principles to come to the fore.
Simply Amazing .. Kudos to Gurumutprthy Sir and Rajiv Ji, like to listen more from lively discussions, mine of information well articulated.
Kandashtikavacam kan
Sir I had to take notes !! Mr gurumurthy you are a living encyclopedia... loaded with the information.
Thank you Rajiv ji for this excellent excellent interview! 🙏🏼 Waiting for the remaining parts..
mrudula lele he is best economist of India.
mrudula lele he is best economist of India.
All your interviews are par excellence; but this is utter brilliance. Gurumurthy Ji should write a book about Indian vs Western Government/socio-political models.
Delight to watch two wise people talking a lot of sense and History!!
Very insightful thank you so much.
Profound depth of subject and erudite articulation ;Delightful Gurumurthy
Development with Culture! Thanks you Gurumurthy for an eye opening remark.
This video is must watch for all patriot burecrats politicians judicial businessmen so that blindly copying appointing MNC should stop let's go back to DHARMA
धन्यवाद।
Mind Blown ! Thank you for presenting this
Once again GURUji gives amazing insight. Can't wait for remaining 2 parts....curiosity is taking better of me to keep checking for the video every 10min... :D
Amazing analysis by Shri Gurumurthy, Malhotra sir some more of this kind of interviews are most welcome.
Show us the full video it’s amazing with factual data. Hats off to Swamiji and Rajiv ji. You are the modern patriots of the nation. 👍👍
Sri S GURUMURTHY is his name.
It is a wonderful insight into how the economic models of the world have evolved and how the social and economic activities detached from the indigenous cultures failed in today's world.
Great people, doing what matters. Thank you so much for this.
It is an eye opening conversation....
i was searching why the hell we follow western world. now I got it.
what is economics and on what basis it is made.
Hindus have to build a strong dharmik ecosystem in which they can survive and flourish as a civilization rooted in dharma , we need many selfless activists for this purpose..market- driven western capitalist societies have degenerated into cesspool of debauchery, individualism and materialism ...we must not aspire to be like them in terms of ideology , we need modern technology , but our thought process should be rooted in dharma
I am really waiting for SI 3. This is painful wait!
i am just in awe with this guys. Every video of his is an eye opener for me and i believe for every Indian who wants to know their roots. He is empowering average Indian with the Grand India Narrative which was distorted deliberately by colonial rulers Nehru, leftist authors like Romila Thappr , westerners and more importantly their implanted sepoys for years. The govt still has a herculean task to correct the history books which treats our freedom fighters like Veer Sawarkar, Bhagat Singh and many more as terrorist. Each Hindus should do more research on our ancient scriptures to be enlightened and be able to stand firm and not be apologetic to western world. #LearnSanskrit #BelieveInYourHeritage #ReintroduceHinduismToHindu
Excellent analysis Gurumurthy sir
A classic interview with s.gurumurti ,every word guru ji spoke peels off layer by layer the economic onion that the west cultivated..Wanted to listen him endlessly.
Exactly
On target
My suspicion hence becomes reality!
Great Knowledge
Brilliant discussion by S Gurumurthyji of high quality and he is educating the people who view this video. Rajeevji and Gurumurthyji are great combination of great intellectuals. This video is simply superb. Thanks a lot
Sir you are an inspiration! 🙏
Gurumurthy aiyya explaining with such clarity!!
People who wrote indian constitution ( actually cut-past-copy from western constitutions !! ) were indians only from outside but thoroughly-100% westernised from inside ! . So what really happened in 1947 was that india slipped from visible british control to control by westernised indians (british indians). So the remote control continued albeit in an invisible way ! . The people whom we trusted as our own were actually britishers in Indian clothes !! ( nehru topi with khadi dress with a british mind ).
How was the indian constitution written ?
Was it really written from scratch ?
Was it written from the accumulated indian experiences / understanding of past & vision of future ?
Was it a Cut paste copy from the western constitutions ?
While the Congress leaders were in Ahmednagar jail in 1940s , they were discussing ther future constitution of free India post 1947. The British government allowed copies of documents of british constitution & related literature to be accessed & discussed by congress leaders !
Questions must be raised on the coordinated work of Dr Ambedkar himself !
Brilliant discussion and lecture. Thanks a ton to Gurumurthy ji
Fantastic Guruji & Rajivji.
I wonder y Indians did not use their own experience and knowledge to write the constitution, based on Dharmic principles, it is so vast and comprehensive...
You wonder WHY ? India has been still ruled by Remote Control.1947 independence was a sham too! Continuum of conspiracies is still ONGOING !!!! Five East India Companies were replaced with many many others.That's WHY !
2014 , Modi has started WAKING US out of our DEEP SLUMBER . Politically speaking .
INTELLECTUAL KSHATRYATWAM IS BEING AWAKENED BY OUR WELL-WISHERS LIKE SRI GURUMURTHI JI , SRI RAJIVJI AND A FEW OTHERS LIKE THEM. We are Eternally Grateful to these True Rishis.
Because all those who participated in the constituent assembly were all western educated
Hindus have to build a strong dharmik ecosystem in which they can survive and flourish as a civilization rooted in dharma , we need many selfless activists for this purpose..market- driven western capitalist societies have degenerated into cesspool of debauchery, individualism and materialism ...we must not aspire to be like them in terms of ideology , we need modern technology , but our thought process should be rooted in dharma
What an excellent explanation on the evolution of the Global economics.!!!
🙏 Great to have two intellectuals.
These discussions have to come on mainstream media...we must de-colonize our social and economic theories..and create our own models of development...
Thank you Rajiv ji for doing this lecture with Gurumurthy ji. Rajiv ji I would request you to have conversation with Advocate J Sai Deepak who is fighting the Hindu Temple cases in the court.
Sir I waiting for si3 videos
Two great Hindu seers and thinkers that I respect and adore !
Salute both of u sir
excellent conversation. so much of insight . waiting for the continuation...
Sir sooo sooo greatfull to uu...this lecture has solved my all questions to life..u both are great souls
Gurumurthyji is a genius. I have some differences with what he said but still this was brilliant...
Thank you Gurumurthy Ji and Rajiv. What a brilliant man. Why is he left out of ministerial cabinet of the bjp government? We need passionate, patriotic people like Gurumurthy Ji running the ministry of finance and culture. I have been a follower and a great admirer of this man and his absolute devotion to Kanchi Maha Periyaval. Pranams 🙏
Shri Gurumurthyji has said very clearly that according to the instruction of his guru, Sri Kanchi Maha Periyava, he has chosen not to occupy any position of power (meaning any government office including a membership in the Rajya Sabha, which was offered to him by the BJP Government). We need many more independent thinkers without the entanglement of government office.
Amazing .... So enlightening and informative .
What a great discussion! Thanks for this.
Excellent message and visions only due to Gaumutra
When knowledge rules...👏👏👏
I listened to the illuminating and inspiring speech Rajiv Malhotra gave in the British Parliament. I suppose that he can do a great favor to India by creating a platform for debates and brainstorming about how to improve the governance of Indian democracy. The present framework of the Constitution of India was written around late 1940's following the British parliamentary system. In last 70 years, India has grown in population by 4 times, number of political parties has increased by almost two orders of magnitude, there is an erosion of intellectualism among politicians (in comparison to Nehru era), India is competing against China and other far-East Asian countries that are extremely well-managed, politicians generally lack education and training, and so on. The concept of western democracy was founded in smaller European countries having one-tenth of India's population. This model fails in larger countries with huge diversity, staggering poverty, limited literacy, and so on. An unrestrained democracy with multiple combating political parties lead to the formation of coalition governments that struggle to survive and cannot undertake long-term constructive projects to forge the country forward.
Modernization of Indian democracy can be mooted through concerted discourses and deliberations by Indian intellectuals both in India and abroad providing the parliamentarians to upgrade the constitutional framework. Such open discussions will promote numerous questions that warrant reviewing.
Should the central government be strengthened by holding the national election once in 10 years?
Should the state elections remain once in 5 years to foster new political ideologies?
Should politicians be required to attend special administration institutes to improve effectiveness in their executive role?
Should there be a threshold requirement in terms of the number of parliament seats for a party to have the national status? Should there be multiple (4 or 5) autonomous zones in India being led by separate deputy prime ministers?
Many such important issues need to be publicly debated to enable Indian democracy for the future viability in terms of political stability, sustained economic growth, effective governance, utilization of human capital, and so on.
Pinaki Mazumder
Ann Arbor, Michigan
Terrific Clarity on Economic History
Thanks 🙏🙏
Dear sir, please post the remaining parts of this interesting conversation. We are eagerly waiting for it.
Pujya Gurumurthyji +Rajivji = Vishva Gnyan Diwali Fireworks . घन्यवाद।
This discussion can become even more understandable by linking changes in state-religeon-economy models with the corresponding turning points in world history.Adam Smith 'Wealth of Nations' Political Economy model is linked with shifting community-sized industries from Bharat-Chin to empire-sized industries in England. The individual-protestant-capitalacommunism model - is linked with 'cake walk' conquest of the New World.Models were crafted by scholars for internal discourse after the fact. Then externally imposed in 1st phase by GUN until molded into a governable state. 2nd phase was UN governance of that state. 1st phase had treaties-laws-constitution-state; 2nd intl agrmnts& human rights.
Astonishing. Want more of these.
Eagerly looking forward for next part of this........
Superb discussion on Economics.
Very Insightful. This happens when 2 Rishis Meet. This Video Will fascinate you. I bet.
It is better to listen two genius than reading couple of weeks
Excellent. Thanks for this interview.
Wowowowowo waiting breathlessly for part 2 anduch more
Amazing .. Waiting on the remaining episodes of this discussion...
Sir kindly do interview with Sadhguru
Vow...collection of information..presented it in right way..
Mind-blowing!!
Legends.
Such a wise man! Such a wise man! Wow!
Very good session sir today I get very good information
Thank You.
Excellent insights..looks like context for Mr.Swamy's Reset book
Good one.. Love you Rajiv Ji for your efforts..
Voice to text of Dr. S Gurumurthy - 2
These principles informed the constitutional law even today. Example: during Emergency 1975-1977, rests on these principles.
The principle of eminent domain was not applicable prior to the British invasions.
Because the King had no right to take over others property. It is in Magna Carta, this was modified into "Pay the compensation and take the property"
But in India, even after paying compensation, The King had no rights to take the land, He had to purchase through the panchayat.The question of right to life was divine right, so there was no question of anybody taking away your right to life.
So, this Constitutional paradigm and economic paradigm aligned and rested on individuals. So how the democratic movement changed the ‘Divine right theory’, into what is known as "Social Contract" theory, by Hobbes, who said, we (Indians) are basically an anarchic kind of people, we cannot live together, We only kill each other. So we need a Leviathan state to make us behave, and so the state has all the powers, all the Rights. So he secularized the divine right theory into the State. Only one modification was brought about by John Locke said that it has to be an elected State.
Once we elect the State, the state has the same power. It can declare Emergency, it can acquire anyone's property, So the character of the State did not change. It is only that the people give consent every five years to the state to do the things which are divine right, King could do. So this is one paradigm.
Indian Context : But in India we didn't had this before the advent of Eurpoeans ruling us, but after emergency 1975-77, the Government said that the State has no right to touch the life of an individual. This is our original vision. Why its mentioned, Max weber & the entire polity, Economics, relationship between the state and the individual were shaped basically by the Christian discipline.
Conclusion : So God as authoritarian, absolute, to King becoming the absolute, to a State becoming the absolute especially democratically elected, this is the ruler-ruled relationship which has been consistent, quite different from ours.
Christianity destroyed all of the relationship and substituted the Church in place of everything. So it has really prepared the ground for Max Weber's theorization.
Bertrand Russell argues that, Karl Marx's Marxism is also Christianity substituting State for Church. The substitution of State for the Church was the function of the secular socialist movement.
2 best brains at work
Fantastic sir
If western model is destined to fail , it is because its metaphysical foundation is flawed ! . As Gurumurthy pointed out Political Christianity( read Churchinity) , Islam (derived from the same abrahamic mold ! ) & ideologies like fascism & communism are all derivatives from the Christiandom. !
Fascism aroused & failed or was defeated in 1945 itself (life span was 15 yrs or less)
Communism failed in 1990s ( around 73 yrs of active life)
Christian saw its major split in medieval age with protestant movement & growing atheism in the west may be a major challenge
Islam ? The questioning has already started in an intense manner with 9/11 . But it seems that that a world war will settle that !
Only after ALL the western ideas are tried / tested & they fail , will the world turn to Dharmic vision !
Capitalism has pushed religion to the back seat in western countries, money has become their de facto God.. communism only leads to anarchy ,Marx was an anarchist..his Utopia of a stateless classless society sounds like a state of anarchy .. unbridled materialism, consumerism in a capitalist system will lead western societies to a point of degeneration where they will not only overthrow capitalism, but also abandon all kinds of authority and hierarchy and return to the state of anarchy
Amazing insights pranayama two Masters
Can't wait for part 2
Amazing,very informative,thank you Malhotraji
Eagerly waiting for the other two parts Sir...
expected, imminent & inevitable discussion
Gurumurthyji is a true Dharmic person with amazing insight. Unfortunately, such people are not in policy making.
Anjana Chatterjee chattopadhyay yes
Out standing disscussion
Profound wisdom. Waiting for the next 2 episodes of this discussion.
Much awaited video.
Great conversation!
True.