at 24.45 I misspeak, and say Baby O, when I should have said Baby Noah. I am sorry for this mistake. Who else missed the real cause of death for Baby O? - well, Dr Jane Hawdon? And possibly the further neonatal pathologist (I've forgotten their name) - if Baby 0 was one of the four cases Dr Hawdon suggested needed further examination.
Now we come to think of it the question is HOW was this missed. There would have been a physical needle-mark showing this baby was cannulated on the WRONG side. With hindsight I don't see that the injury and its consequences could have been missed. None of that makes sense. So was stuff being "missed" a regular occurrence, then?
I keep thinking of another situation where a group of doctors allegedly covered up something allegedly "dodgy"...the McCanns and their friends. Totally different case but the level of covering up and collusion is very similar.
@@WesleyWattley-xy4fg I really don't know what to make of that aspect of it. It's all such a complicated mixture of lies, secrets, mistakes, self-preservation, framing, fraud, etc etc - from so many people in this. Jar gives a good explanation below about why it might not have been spotted at PM.
Thanks for everything you've done over the past twelve months Mark, sterling work. Happy New Year, and come what may, don't lose sight of your own inner peace. We're all in the fight together.
Thank you so much. And thanks so much to you too, and everybody - as you say - we are all in the fight together - for justice and truth. All good wishes for 2025!
I forgot to say that the issue of the death of Baby Noah - and the ramifications for Dr B, the other doctor involved - and for the CoCH as a whole - is running on throughout much of the period in which the 'spike' of deaths occurs - i.e. throughout 2015/16. Feelings must have been tense and high about that subject - as part of the background throughout this period!
Hi Mark, as a retired anaesthetist I too can’t understand how this all happened? During my whole career, if I was involved with a patient’s death in any way, often an ICU patient, I would if possible discuss any relevant details with the Coroner to help him with the sometimes difficult decision of whether to request a post mortem? Also, we had to complete a form which was passed on to the Coroner by the Coroner’s Officer and in that form I would summarize any relevant points, which would also be seen by the pathologist if there was a post mortem examination. If he had any concerns or questions, he would contact me to maybe get more details of exactly what happened so that he had all the information known in order that he could then decide on the cause of death. I hope Mark McDonald is aware of these concerns so that he can address them and I also hope that David Davis, MP, is also aware so that he can consider telling the Goverment during discussions on the case in the Commons on I think Jan 8th. Thanks for all you are doing for Lucy and best wishes for 2025.
Hi again Mark! Not sure if you might be interest but I have always had an interest in true crime and wrote a book, ‘Manx Murders’, 21 real cases on the Isle of Man. Also another book about my career, If In Doubr’ in which I describe my career as an anaesthetist, training, a chapter on ‘Mistakes’, among others the title comes from a saying all anaesthetists know-‘If in bountiful, take it out’ which refers to the situation where a tracheal tube is put in but there is doubt about whether it is in the trachea- the only other place it can go is in the oesophagus? As seems to have happpened with the baby who died when the baby died as you describe? If you would like them I can send both as a late Christmas present! For all your hard work on this awful case! Thanks again for all you and others like Carl are doing.
Mr. Wilkinson, I'm a Wilkinson also, my grandfather mums dad John from Yorkshire. I'm a LLB. Hons I've followed this case for the beginning, something is wrong, very wrong, this is an uphill battle. My goodness that poor woman in prison, threats by prisoners and officers alike . The wheels of justice run slow, may the universe protect her. Marie..❤
There can never be justice for a wrongful conviction. This Nurses life has now been destroyed by the very system that even the public at large are bound by. The truth may be unearthed and she will be free, but had the system of justice done it's job she would never have been in prison in the first place.
Nurse here, my feeling ( total speculation) is that Dr b never told the pathologist that he punctured the liver. He documented Mcbyrne’s point as a cover to make it look like he stuck the needle very low, I bet he stuck it higher……. Livers in neonates are very fragile and it can be damaged during a difficult c section delivery for multiples. They have to twist, turn, and pull the baby out in a way that doesn’t hurt the other babies or interfere with the other cords….. If Dr b used a thin needle, the mark might not leave a mark, plus if there was bruising left on the skin from the liver bleeding it could easy disguise it. Also we don’t know when the medical note was written , could it have been after the postmortem? Again speculation, not accusing
@ no problem….. anything I can do to help a fellow nurse. Somewhere on twitter today there was a well known British doctor that said she knows that there are Nobel laureates who believe Lucy is innocent. Warms my heart to know that people of such stature and around the world are coming to help one single nurse.
@@70mikejnyes. Thanks for reminding me…. Thought I heard that at the press conference… do we know when the photo was taken and by whom? Also was the pathologist aware of the existence of the photo ? Been listening to the podcast…. The other side of Lucy letby….. the doctor on it is wonderful….. he really doesn’t bash the pathologists at all… but is going after dewy and the consultants….. he is also not going after the junior doctors, believing that they were totally and inexcusably not overseen by the consultants and were put in positions and doing stuff way over their heads
Hi Mark great content once again. You are correct in your assumption that Brearey and Jayaram feigned or pretended empathy for Lucy Letby, this was an infantile attempt to divert suspicion away from their malicious intent.
Interesting analysis. Could this recent evidence of medical malpractice in the Baby O case be referred to the GMC? That might open up further investigation while the appeal court is refusing to hear an appeal. A GMC decision against the doctor would also provide strong evidence when an appeal is eventually allowed. 🤔
Not being medical, not sure whether he should have seen it - or should have been notified of something he wasn't. But it's odd that Dr Taylor can deduce something from notes that the pathologist did not, or could not - from the examination itself? Or perhaps I am missing something. Jar below - or in the comments here - talks about how it might have been missed, I think.
Indeed, they are under pressure never to admit to making mistakes whether by themselves or by colleagues. They need to be trusted by their patients. Their hospitals need to be trusted by hospital patients. Mistakes cannot be admitted because they have huge financial and career consequences. Yet mistakes are being made all the time. It’s inevitable.
What an evil gang they are aren't they? How on earth did Brearey get away with this? Maybe they used Letby as a scapegoat because she knew what incompetant errors were going on. Surely the poor parents of the baby must've been notified of the cause of death? Horrific level of errors and a conspiracy as you say. 😢Thanks for all you share for the sake of Lucy and these poor babies.
Thank you, Amanda. It must have been an awful shock for the parents and family of Baby O to hear what Dr Taylor said at the press conference. You would think they can now not be satisfied with knowing that Lucy Letby has been blamed for the death of their child. Perhaps, eventually, some pressure may come from some of the parents themselves - to open up further inquiries - such as a possible inquest now, for Baby O. And a reporting of Brearey to the GMC, as Tim Kent has suggested, below, and others also have suggested this.
@hopeisthething1965let us hope they will push for the truth and an enquiry? Maybe they do not have the emotional capacity for it? Imagine their shock and horror at all of this...
When Lucy referred to "I killed these babies", my opinion is she was referring as to how she was told to do it as prescribed by doctors. This thing is deeper than babies adcdejfbn. Baby noaah is the key to this whole subterfuge.
I’m sorry, I’m not a doctor, but the thought that the ventilator on this tiny tiny baby being so strong that it pushes the liver out of place - well that is simply unbelievable. If it was my baby I’d have had so many questions - and would probably demand to have it lowerered. These little ones surely just need enough air to gently inflate their tiny lungs. Poor little babe, and his grieving parents. He deserved the best care, and got the worst. 😢
Nurse here….. sad thing is that it is highly doubtful unless you were a highly skilled healthcare worker that you would have even been able to tell if the baby was on too high settings/pressure…. Yes and do ask questions to the healthcare team… it keeps them on their toes…… sad that you can’t even trust a pediatrician now… you’d think they had the highest ethics out of all the doctors
I hope that in 2025 lucy is released, she must be as there is no real evidence to say she did anything wrong. I also hope that 2025 is a good year for you Mark and your sutuation works out. Your a good man and deserve better. Thanks for all the work you have done to help Lucy. Xxx
Hello there, Crystal. Thank you for this lovely message. Yes - I hope this is the year that Lucy is freed. And thank you re my situation - I hope so too. Sending all best to you and yours for 2025!
Great work, Mark. Need to keep calling out the evil doctors. Brearey, Jayarum, Evans, Bohin, Lambie. What sort of people are they? It will come back to them for what they done.
Nursing staff attend regular supervision meetings as part of their ongoing professional practice. What Lucy was seeing would have been discussed during supervision. In particular, issues with relationships amongst staff would have been common knowledge.
@yvonnedavies9693 I was a nurse for nearly 35 years, I left recently, I never had supervision meetings. IMO nursing is poorly supported and I never trusted a Dr to support me.
Heads up: YT channel, The Ducking Stool is doing an excellent job. In her upload, Not In My Name, she shows from the records, that Lucy Letby was a whistle-blower on the unit's consultants and shortcomings.
Absolutely, Brearey cannot possibly have been alone when he punctured Baby O's distended and compacted liver. The plot against Lucy Letby (continues) to sicken...
Think you may have cracked this one Mark. If Lucy had reported poor practice with Baby Noah she would have been regarded as a ' dangerous loose canon' and her card was marked from that point.
I just cannot understand how none of this was discovered during a ten month trial and the present Thirlwall Inquiry (so far). Our justice system is surely broken and urgently needs reform.
There is no question the doctors framed Lucy Letby, that is clear by now with everything we know. Why they did it, it has to be to cover their own incompetence, but why did they choose her? I suspect (and I've thought this for a long time now) that she was such a capable nurse that she made the doctors look like incompetent fools. Not deliberately, but just being so competent herself, it showed up how incompetent they were. And they could not tolerate that. Poor Lucy, this is so tragic. But the doctors must pay. The MUST be held accountable for what they've done.
Post-mortems are now irrelevant as any old ‘expert’ can look through notes and decide what the cause of death was even if a detailed postmortem investigation gave a different reason for death. They can just ask Evans and save time and money from now on…
Hello Mark I can't tell you the source but I read that Lucy was a witness at noahs inquiry,I think it was from a chap who did a lot of work on the health inspections,I passed it on to our American friend who said he would look into it,.shalom .
Do you remember the married Doctor who was Lucy’s friend and he turned on her, do you think he’s privy to this knowledge? Did she ever open up to a friend at work? If only they would come forward and speak about it. I used to listen to a Canadian podcast of cold cases and it was called ‘somebody knows something’
Yes, I think they originally just wanted her gone, but because she put up a fight it went to far, rollerballed, and they couldn’t go back. All egging each other on. All sticking together.
I tend to see it this way, too, Garlic - they couldn't have Lucy showing them up for the bullies they are - and so they went that next step in their arrogance and vindictiveness - and once police and Evans are involved - it becomes something no one else can pull back on or reverse.
The pathologist did describe the liver injury does that being akin to a road traffic accident.... but I don't think he noticed the needle Mark.. From the enquiry documents it says ..... "Dr Marnerides the reviewing pathologist said that taking the location, extent and distribution of the liver injuries into account, they could not have been caused by CPR. The possibility of CPR being the mechanism of injury was, at its highest, a theoretical possibility. He said that this type of liver injury was only seen in serious accidents (road traffic, bicycling or trampoline accidents) and that he had never seen it in the context of CPR. It was the prosecution case that the applicant was responsible for Baby O’s death by inflicting those liver injuries and additionally by instilling air into the venous system causing an air embolus. "
I don't usually comment but today was very puzzled about the comments relating to the pathologist's post mortem findings for Baby O. Listening to The Other Side of Lucy Letby podcast, it seems the pathologist found unclotted blood in the abdomen and almost certainly did see the injury to the liver. This bleeding occurred at the time of death but the reason for it wasn't ascertained, but injury to the liver was one possibility. The coroner ordered an inquest to consider this and no doubt Dr B would've had to have given evidence under oath. As we know, the inquest never happened.
Ah, thanks you so much for this, MelanisticMarble! Yes - another missed (deliberately missed/engineered?) opportunity to hide the actual cause? Good wishes for 2025.
@@karenwall8643 It's called The Road to Hell (Part 1). Interestingly, in Part 2 (6 Dec), Michael McConville says that, without access to the medical records, he couldn't be sure of how baby O died. He proposed several possibilities including (god forbid) that baby O died because of paracentesis (without ultrasound) on the right hand side. He adds it wouldn't suprise him.
@hopeisthething1965 Happy 2025 to you too! I have a good feeling that the Court of Appeal will reopen the Appeal. The "exceptional circumstances" argument seems to be stacking up.
@@dbackh There is no serial killer. But there are deaths caused by doctors. We have two already, don't we? As John Sweeney ran down the list of the Gang of Four. Two of them have killed babies through gross negligence. Also - a third one left a vital monitor switched off (which Lucy Letby noticed and ensured was rectified), and the final one inserted a chest-drain in the wrong place (according to defence) - and was mostly focussed on his telly career - oh, and kept what he now says was an attempted murder to himself for over a year! It's only going one way now. I'm not writing this to you, but for others to see - because you're a ten a penny sadist - but your time is over with this. You'll melt back into the sewers - until the next innocent person you can bully and lie about comes around.
Have to wonder just how many babies died from doctor’s negligence? The lacerated liver & then bleeding into abdomen, none of this being seen by pathologist as cause of death is astonishing! Have to agree with you, something very dark going on at COCH! Don’t believe pathologist is just poor at his job? That’s far to convenient , That everyone was grossly negligent?Brearey could be forgiven for negligence, but his behaviour afterwards was psychotic!!
On the written notes have you ever put the stresses on different consonants. She could have been writing ‘they say I killed’ just stress the I and it would sound more persecutory!
@@AngelaMcKavanagh When asked by the police as to why she wrote this she said “because that’s what they were saying about me” or something to that effect I can’t remember exactly.
I do hope for justice in 2025 with this excruciatingly distressing case. Thank you Mark for the insights and the focussing of consciousness about the magnitude of injustice that you have brought and continue to bring to this medical horror show. What are we as a nation, a right thinking people, if we cannot feel for a victim like Lucy and express contempt for such a devious deception by people who are an utter disgrace to their profession? Wishing you all the best for 2025 and the strength to continue this important work to its closure - freedom for Lucy. Howard
The thing is, paediatricians have a primary allegiance to their “family”, which is the group of other consultant paediatricians. That’s why Dewi Evans and several of the CoCH consultants supported Roy Meadow and David Southall.
Hello, Richard. Yes, it certainly seems as though that in-group preference is very powerful. All good wishes to you and family, Richard, for the coming year!
@@WesleyWattley-xy4fg Interesting opening post with Thirlwall content in, on.. reddit document discussion:babies d and i. "Both the inquest and another planned meeting with Dr. Harvey were cancelled when the police took over the investigation, which made Mother D unhappy -"
Wasn’t that the baby whose mom had her waters that had been broken for nearly 3 days and not given antibiotics? Plus the baby was limp at birth and no one thought to start antibiotics for several hours ? So many babies, so much screw ups…. Giving me a headache just trying to keep up
Question, who was dr Jane Hardon….. still new to Lucy’s case. Only took notice last August…. News about the UK rarely crosses the pond to America… especially since it was an election year for us
She is the neonatologist CoCH got to look at all the 'unexplained' deaths - and then produced a report, in which she was only concerned about four of them, and said they needed further examination (but she didn't have the time to do that) - and then a neonatal pathologist had a look at those four. But neither Dr Hawdon or the neonatal pathologist (different to the original PM pathologist - whose name is Dr George Kokai) - found any signs of deliberate harm in any of the deaths.
@@jar942 It's very layered, isn't it - and just hard to peel back all these layers - they created a fictional version of Lucy Letby - to hang all their mistakes and defecits on.
There was tension between brewery and Lucy I understand when Lucy was asked about this she dismissed it as nothing I know some people say the tension came from Lucy turning down breweries advances However I’ve always understood it to be because she wrote an incident form about Doctor Gill (forgive and correct me please if I’ve got the name wrong Names are my Achilles heel. I certainly don’t want to get muddled with prof Sir Richard Gill. Who is categorically brilliant) The incident form was because the doctor left a baby unattended on an examination table behind a closed screen He apologised (good O) but Lucy still wrote an incident report (the right thing to do) Apparently Brewery bailed her up in the corridor about this and told her to fundamentally stop interfering and right put her in her place as a nurse. I don’t know how true this bit is so take it with a huge grain of salt please But apparently the dressing down was not just on a professional level but became quite personal. Like i say I don’t know the full truth of that. He did for a fact dress her down - Lucy was asked about it. I guess there’s no smoke without fire though hey
Louise…. Interesting thanks for this info. Did not know breary did this and oh if it was in front of people he should have gotten a big slap down from management. I could also be wrong, but somewhere I read it might have been Gibbs and a trainee doctor that left that child on the table, behind a screen with no monitors on and it might have been after they put a UVC catheter in????? Again not really sure if I have all my info correct. I also believe it was Lucy who found the baby and it might have been in some sort of distress. I believe she yelled out for help…. Again I wish I could remember what baby this was…. It might have been one of the babies that she was accused of harming…… and yes I completely agree couldn’t love Richard Gill more, a friend to all nurses
I really don't know. I think Dr B was around for these later deaths, wasn't she - ie the deaths of two of the triplets. Where she is highly stressed - going out for cigarettes etc - as mentioned in John Sweeney article in the Daily Mail.
Your theory is so sinister, but I think you could be right! The gang of 4 could have had an agreement, that ALL of them had made a mistake that led to patient harm, but they agreed to keep it between themselves. However, Lucy was good at her job, she noticed when procedures were not right and maybe she filed a datix report. I'd like to know the date when the rumour was started in the canteen queue. So Dr B just harboured a dislike of Lucy but when it happened to Dr B, well, that was the last straw.
Yes Mark, you are spot on with the "whistle blower" angle ! An "ignorance" of what actually happens to whistle blowers led me to fall foul of the way it works once you do that ! Other people in senior positions like myself were all aware of what was happening,. When I blew the whistle, they all either left or went quiet once the witch hunt got under way. People that I had removed from the courses I ran were contacted to make up false statements about me and were offered new places ! Students that were speaking the truth, were silenced. I was even barred from talking to them whilst investigations were under way. So much more happened but I can attest to the fact that whilst whistle blowers are supposed to be protected, it only works as far as financial recompense is concerned and then you are gagged by the court... I was naive to this BS but I think I would still have done it anyway...
Gosh, Mandian. I am so sorry this has happened to you. But as you say at the end here - you still would have blown the whistle anyway - some situations just demand that we follow our conscience, don't they? Well done indeed - for your courage and tenacity. It must have been very difficult. And I can well imagine the people you describe just folding or going quiet, or turning on the truth teller. Sending all good wishes for 2025!
@hopeisthething1965 It was a very big lesson for me that's for sure :) but it was a while ago, at the time it was hard to deal with but we move on don't we... Keep doing what you're doing Mark and happy new year
Seems like now that the doctors targeted Lucy with a hate campaign to buy themselves time from being prosecuted themselves by shifting the focus and attention from medical negligence to the drama that has been played out at the expense of Lucy’s freedom and justice system . Seemed like a really complicated case thank you for your research Mark you have cleared up the space and made it easier to comprehend what has happened.
In one of the earlier cases, I forget which one, LL sent a text to a colleague after her shift. She said "let's set up our own unit with others whose faces don't fit". Who didn't her face fit with? . . . Hmmm. This is what happens when your face doesn't fit
Thanks very much for this, Ian. It's the first time I've heard this, or come across it. And yes, another clue as to how Lucy was being made to feel. All best for 2025.
Yes. Knowing that they had likely caused, or contributed to these babies’ deaths, they must have had some other motive for pointing all the blame towards Lucy - otherwise, we would have to conclude that they are willing to condemn her to life in prison simply to cover their backs - would anybody inflict that on another human being unless they harboured something far deeper against them? Let’s face it, you would have to really hate someone to allow this to happen to them - either that, or they simply don’t give a sh*t about other people in general. I also wonder if the relationship with Dr A (?) is a factor in all this - did he throw her under the bus and portray her as some kind of Jezebel, whereas, it sounds as though it was he was who was doing the running. Was Dr B jealous? I mean how much do you have to hate someone to believe they deserve this? Maybe they just really are deluded and believe Lucy is responsible?
I don't know, but am going by Dr Taylor saying - that Brearey would have known. Or, I suppose, should have known. I think there should now be an inquest for Baby O - if that is possible. All best for 2025, Georger!
@hopeisthething1965 I agree. I'm just thinking if it did happen, there must be a level of incompetency and there is a chance he was oblivious in that case. But that's based on accepting what Dr Taylor said (I have no reason to think he would lie as there seems to be no motive to do so!).
I really don't know. And don't know if the pathologist 'should' have spotted it - it just seems strange that the 'actual' cause of death can be ascertained - years later - solely from notes - and yet missed during the PM.
@hopeisthething1965 To you too, I hear your voice & thank you with all my heart for your support, for Justice,critical thinking skills & your open mind. Wishing you a very happy & prosperous New Year✊☮️❤️
all nursing end of shift notes are legal documents..have they been released to the defence?...police werent a minute scouring her medical files and scribblings for media purposes
Lucy would have been targeted because they know she is an honest person they used the incident of medical malpractice as a catalyst for the hate machine against Lucy it took a whole community of medical professionals to create this situation the doctors are just a small part of the picture .
at 24.45 I misspeak, and say Baby O, when I should have said Baby Noah. I am sorry for this mistake.
Who else missed the real cause of death for Baby O? - well, Dr Jane Hawdon? And possibly the further neonatal pathologist (I've forgotten their name) - if Baby 0 was one of the four cases Dr Hawdon suggested needed further examination.
Now we come to think of it the question is HOW was this missed. There would have been a physical needle-mark showing this baby was cannulated on the WRONG side. With hindsight I don't see that the injury and its consequences could have been missed. None of that makes sense. So was stuff being "missed" a regular occurrence, then?
@@Blacksquareable It would seem so, Black. And I suspect more things having been missed or missed on purpose are yet to be exposed.
I keep thinking of another situation where a group of doctors allegedly covered up something allegedly "dodgy"...the McCanns and their friends. Totally different case but the level of covering up and collusion is very similar.
@hopeisthething1965 coroner post mortem person compromised also? 😢
@@WesleyWattley-xy4fg I really don't know what to make of that aspect of it. It's all such a complicated mixture of lies, secrets, mistakes, self-preservation, framing, fraud, etc etc - from so many people in this. Jar gives a good explanation below about why it might not have been spotted at PM.
Thanks for everything you've done over the past twelve months Mark, sterling work. Happy New Year, and come what may, don't lose sight of your own inner peace. We're all in the fight together.
Thank you so much. And thanks so much to you too, and everybody - as you say - we are all in the fight together - for justice and truth. All good wishes for 2025!
Happy New Year Mark 🎉🎉
Happy New Year, Glenys! And everybody! x
Mark again…… you are right on the mark…. My gut tells me she often questioned their orders….
I forgot to say that the issue of the death of Baby Noah - and the ramifications for Dr B, the other doctor involved - and for the CoCH as a whole - is running on throughout much of the period in which the 'spike' of deaths occurs - i.e. throughout 2015/16. Feelings must have been tense and high about that subject - as part of the background throughout this period!
Hi Mark, as a retired anaesthetist I too can’t understand how this all happened? During my whole career, if I was involved with a patient’s death in any way, often an ICU patient, I would if possible discuss any relevant details with the Coroner to help him with the sometimes difficult decision of whether to request a post mortem? Also, we had to complete a form which was passed on to the Coroner by the Coroner’s Officer and in that form I would summarize any relevant points, which would also be seen by the pathologist if there was a post mortem examination. If he had any concerns or questions, he would contact me to maybe get more details of exactly what happened so that he had all the information known in order that he could then decide on the cause of death. I hope Mark McDonald is aware of these concerns so that he can address them and I also hope that David Davis, MP, is also aware so that he can consider telling the Goverment during discussions on the case in the Commons on I think Jan 8th. Thanks for all you are doing for Lucy and best wishes for 2025.
Thank you very much, Keith, and for this very helpful background to the process. All good wishes for the year ahead to you and yours.
Hi again Mark! Not sure if you might be interest but I have always had an interest in true crime and wrote a book, ‘Manx Murders’, 21 real cases on the Isle of Man. Also another book about my career, If In Doubr’ in which I describe my career as an anaesthetist, training, a chapter on ‘Mistakes’, among others the title comes from a saying all anaesthetists know-‘If in bountiful, take it out’ which refers to the situation where a tracheal tube is put in but there is doubt about whether it is in the trachea- the only other place it can go is in the oesophagus? As seems to have happpened with the baby who died when the baby died as you describe? If you would like them I can send both as a late Christmas present! For all your hard work on this awful case! Thanks again for all you and others like Carl are doing.
Sorry Mark I meant the saying is ‘If in Doubt take it out’! Keith
Mr. Wilkinson, I'm a Wilkinson also, my grandfather mums dad John from Yorkshire. I'm a LLB. Hons I've followed this case for the beginning, something is wrong, very wrong, this is an uphill battle. My goodness that poor woman in prison, threats by prisoners and officers alike . The wheels of justice run slow, may the universe protect her. Marie..❤
There can never be justice for a wrongful conviction. This Nurses life has now been destroyed by the very system that even the public at large are bound by. The truth may be unearthed and she will be free, but had the system of justice done it's job she would never have been in prison in the first place.
Nurse here, my feeling ( total speculation) is that Dr b never told the pathologist that he punctured the liver. He documented Mcbyrne’s point as a cover to make it look like he stuck the needle very low, I bet he stuck it higher……. Livers in neonates are very fragile and it can be damaged during a difficult c section delivery for multiples. They have to twist, turn, and pull the baby out in a way that doesn’t hurt the other babies or interfere with the other cords….. If Dr b used a thin needle, the mark might not leave a mark, plus if there was bruising left on the skin from the liver bleeding it could easy disguise it. Also we don’t know when the medical note was written , could it have been after the postmortem? Again speculation, not accusing
Thank you, Jar. Really helps to have your clinical knowledge of such things.
@ no problem….. anything I can do to help a fellow nurse. Somewhere on twitter today there was a well known British doctor that said she knows that there are Nobel laureates who believe Lucy is innocent. Warms my heart to know that people of such stature and around the world are coming to help one single nurse.
They have a photo the needle went in slightly higher than McBurney's point. It was mentioned at McDonald’s press conference.
@@70mikejnyes. Thanks for reminding me…. Thought I heard that at the press conference… do we know when the photo was taken and by whom? Also was the pathologist aware of the existence of the photo ? Been listening to the podcast…. The other side of Lucy letby….. the doctor on it is wonderful….. he really doesn’t bash the pathologists at all… but is going after dewy and the consultants….. he is also not going after the junior doctors, believing that they were totally and inexcusably not overseen by the consultants and were put in positions and doing stuff way over their heads
@@jar942 Yes - a brilliant podcast - i need to get back and catch up with episodes.
You are a good man. Thank you for your fight for justice, but please don't let it get you down. Remember, take care of yourself!
thank you, Wizthings! 🙂
Excellent video Mark, great improvement in your video quality 💡we can actually see you now.
As @Tim_Kent says below - why can't this be referred to GMC, in respect of Dr Brearey? And also, why can't there be an Inquest for Baby O?
Happy New Year to you, Mark!
Happy New Year, sourisblanche!
Hi Mark great content once again.
You are correct in your assumption that Brearey and Jayaram feigned or pretended empathy for Lucy Letby, this was an infantile attempt to divert suspicion away from their malicious intent.
Happy new year mark and thanks for being a beacon of truth. The tide will turn very soon, of that I'm sure🎉
Happy New Year, Karen!! And thanks so much, too! We are all one team now - and the tide is on the turn, to be sure! All very best. Mark 🙂
@hopeisthething1965😊
Interesting analysis.
Could this recent evidence of medical malpractice in the Baby O case be referred to the GMC?
That might open up further investigation while the appeal court is refusing to hear an appeal.
A GMC decision against the doctor would also provide strong evidence when an appeal is eventually allowed. 🤔
I would hope it would, Tim - and why might also not be turned into a formal inquest?!
Yes, great point! re GMC.
Perhaps pathologists are under pressure to overlook signs of medical negligence if they can point to other causes.
Not being medical, not sure whether he should have seen it - or should have been notified of something he wasn't. But it's odd that Dr Taylor can deduce something from notes that the pathologist did not, or could not - from the examination itself? Or perhaps I am missing something. Jar below - or in the comments here - talks about how it might have been missed, I think.
@hopeisthething1965 You're not missing anything Mark, you are asking pertinent questions - all power to you.
Indeed, they are under pressure never to admit to making mistakes whether by themselves or by colleagues. They need to be trusted by their patients. Their hospitals need to be trusted by hospital patients. Mistakes cannot be admitted because they have huge financial and career consequences. Yet mistakes are being made all the time. It’s inevitable.
What an evil gang they are aren't they? How on earth did Brearey get away with this? Maybe they used Letby as a scapegoat because she knew what incompetant errors were going on. Surely the poor parents of the baby must've been notified of the cause of death? Horrific level of errors and a conspiracy as you say. 😢Thanks for all you share for the sake of Lucy and these poor babies.
Thank you, Amanda. It must have been an awful shock for the parents and family of Baby O to hear what Dr Taylor said at the press conference. You would think they can now not be satisfied with knowing that Lucy Letby has been blamed for the death of their child. Perhaps, eventually, some pressure may come from some of the parents themselves - to open up further inquiries - such as a possible inquest now, for Baby O. And a reporting of Brearey to the GMC, as Tim Kent has suggested, below, and others also have suggested this.
@hopeisthething1965let us hope they will push for the truth and an enquiry? Maybe they do not have the emotional capacity for it? Imagine their shock and horror at all of this...
When Lucy referred to "I killed these babies", my opinion is she was referring as to how she was told to do it as prescribed by doctors.
This thing is deeper than babies adcdejfbn. Baby noaah is the key to this whole subterfuge.
So you're saying a doctor "ordered" her to murder the children?
I’m sorry, I’m not a doctor, but the thought that the ventilator on this tiny tiny baby being so strong that it pushes the liver out of place - well that is simply unbelievable. If it was my baby I’d have had so many questions - and would probably demand to have it lowerered. These little ones surely just need enough air to gently inflate their tiny lungs. Poor little babe, and his grieving parents. He deserved the best care, and got the worst. 😢
Yes, I would feel the same, MsDormy.
Nurse here….. sad thing is that it is highly doubtful unless you were a highly skilled healthcare worker that you would have even been able to tell if the baby was on too high settings/pressure…. Yes and do ask questions to the healthcare team… it keeps them on their toes…… sad that you can’t even trust a pediatrician now… you’d think they had the highest ethics out of all the doctors
Poor baby indeed. What pain he must have felt 😢😢😢
How many other babies had settings far too high for such premature babies with under developed lungs?????
The incompetence is horrifying!
@ indeed, it beggars belief. The miracle seems to be that any babies survived at all.
One of your best videos yet Mark! Very interesting.
FREE LUCY LETBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Mark. Good wishes for 2025.
I hope that in 2025 lucy is released, she must be as there is no real evidence to say she did anything wrong. I also hope that 2025 is a good year for you Mark and your sutuation works out. Your a good man and deserve better. Thanks for all the work you have done to help Lucy. Xxx
Hello there, Crystal. Thank you for this lovely message. Yes - I hope this is the year that Lucy is freed. And thank you re my situation - I hope so too. Sending all best to you and yours for 2025!
Great work, Mark. Need to keep calling out the evil doctors. Brearey, Jayarum, Evans, Bohin, Lambie. What sort of people are they? It will come back to them for what they done.
Nursing staff attend regular supervision meetings as part of their ongoing professional practice. What Lucy was seeing would have been discussed during supervision. In particular, issues with relationships amongst staff would have been common knowledge.
Ah, thank you, Yvonne. Perhaps certain things were documented then - as part of that supervision.
@yvonnedavies9693 I was a nurse for nearly 35 years, I left recently, I never had supervision meetings. IMO nursing is poorly supported and I never trusted a Dr to support me.
Heads up: YT channel, The Ducking Stool is doing an excellent job. In her upload, Not In My Name, she shows from the records, that Lucy Letby was a whistle-blower on the unit's consultants and shortcomings.
Yes, excellent channel, Ginny - have been watching all the videos there! Thank you! And Happy New Year to you, Ginny! 🙂
Absolutely, Brearey cannot possibly have been alone when he punctured Baby O's distended and compacted liver. The plot against Lucy Letby (continues) to sicken...
Its all over the front page 📄 🚦 📺 😢 📚.
Its documented 📰 but not explained fully enough to be understood by All... why not 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 ?😢
Think you may have cracked this one Mark. If Lucy had reported poor practice with Baby Noah she would have been regarded as a ' dangerous loose canon' and her card was marked from that point.
I just cannot understand how none of this was discovered during a ten month trial and the present Thirlwall Inquiry (so far). Our justice system is surely broken and urgently needs reform.
It definitely does need reform, Green-Knight. All best for the coming year.
There is no question the doctors framed Lucy Letby, that is clear by now with everything we know.
Why they did it, it has to be to cover their own incompetence, but why did they choose her? I suspect (and I've thought this for a long time now) that she was such a capable nurse that she made the doctors look like incompetent fools. Not deliberately, but just being so competent herself, it showed up how incompetent they were. And they could not tolerate that.
Poor Lucy, this is so tragic. But the doctors must pay. The MUST be held accountable for what they've done.
100%
I think you are right!!!
Post-mortems are now irrelevant as any old ‘expert’ can look through notes and decide what the cause of death was even if a detailed postmortem investigation gave a different reason for death. They can just ask Evans and save time and money from now on…
Well, yes, it would seem so, Graham.
Hello Mark I can't tell you the source but I read that Lucy was a witness at noahs inquiry,I think it was from a chap who did a lot of work on the health inspections,I passed it on to our American friend who said he would look into it,.shalom .
Gosh - thank you, John. That is pretty major, I think. Thank you.
Do you remember the married Doctor who was Lucy’s friend and he turned on her, do you think he’s privy to this knowledge? Did she ever open up to a friend at work? If only they would come forward and speak about it. I used to listen to a Canadian podcast of cold cases and it was called ‘somebody knows something’
Well, that is an interesting avenue, indeed. Dr A.
Happy New Year Mark, Thank you for everything you are doing for Lucy. 2025 Will Be Lucy's Year 🙏
Happy New Year, Henna! All the best to you there! And thank you, too! Yes - the year of freedom for Lucy!
Yes, I think they originally just wanted her gone, but because she put up a fight it went to far, rollerballed, and they couldn’t go back. All egging each other on. All sticking together.
I tend to see it this way, too, Garlic - they couldn't have Lucy showing them up for the bullies they are - and so they went that next step in their arrogance and vindictiveness - and once police and Evans are involved - it becomes something no one else can pull back on or reverse.
Has anyone seen Dr Breary ? He looks like Dr Death. Very scary looking man 😟
I know what you mean, Debra.
Not seen any of them since press conference on 16th dec, would have thought they’d be keen to refute these allegations??
At 21mins was there a photo taken of the incision point?
Yes Dr Roger Norwich says so at the press conference.
Ty At 22 minutes and 26 minutes the photo is discussed
The pathologist did describe the liver injury does that being akin to a road traffic accident.... but I don't think he noticed the needle Mark..
From the enquiry documents it says .....
"Dr Marnerides the reviewing pathologist said that taking the location, extent and
distribution of the liver injuries into account, they could not have been caused by CPR.
The possibility of CPR being the mechanism of injury was, at its highest, a theoretical
possibility. He said that this type of liver injury was only seen in serious accidents
(road traffic, bicycling or trampoline accidents) and that he had never seen it in the
context of CPR. It was the prosecution case that the applicant was responsible for Baby
O’s death by inflicting those liver injuries and additionally by instilling air into the
venous system causing an air embolus. "
Was the second trial necessary to cover Jayaram? To keep him involved and therefore unable to break ranks.
Could well be, Esymmetry.
Seems like some of the parents were looking for some lawsuits about the care there and mistakes from the doctors would have been exposed
I don't usually comment but today was very puzzled about the comments relating to the pathologist's post mortem findings for Baby O. Listening to The Other Side of Lucy Letby podcast, it seems the pathologist found unclotted blood in the abdomen and almost certainly did see the injury to the liver. This bleeding occurred at the time of death but the reason for it wasn't ascertained, but injury to the liver was one possibility. The coroner ordered an inquest to consider this and no doubt Dr B would've had to have given evidence under oath. As we know, the inquest never happened.
What's the name of the episode for that particular podcast? I'll take a listen later. Thanks
Ah, thanks you so much for this, MelanisticMarble! Yes - another missed (deliberately missed/engineered?) opportunity to hide the actual cause? Good wishes for 2025.
I need to catch up with Michael's podcast too! :-) All best for 2025, Karen.
@@karenwall8643 It's called The Road to Hell (Part 1). Interestingly, in Part 2 (6 Dec), Michael McConville says that, without access to the medical records, he couldn't be sure of how baby O died. He proposed several possibilities including (god forbid) that baby O died because of paracentesis (without ultrasound) on the right hand side. He adds it wouldn't suprise him.
@hopeisthething1965 Happy 2025 to you too! I have a good feeling that the Court of Appeal will reopen the Appeal. The "exceptional circumstances" argument seems to be stacking up.
How is it possible to have so many doubts when someone has been accused of such a horrible crime???
Because there were no crimes.
@hopeisthething1965 you may have right.....
@@dbackh There is no serial killer. But there are deaths caused by doctors. We have two already, don't we? As John Sweeney ran down the list of the Gang of Four. Two of them have killed babies through gross negligence. Also - a third one left a vital monitor switched off (which Lucy Letby noticed and ensured was rectified), and the final one inserted a chest-drain in the wrong place (according to defence) - and was mostly focussed on his telly career - oh, and kept what he now says was an attempted murder to himself for over a year! It's only going one way now. I'm not writing this to you, but for others to see - because you're a ten a penny sadist - but your time is over with this. You'll melt back into the sewers - until the next innocent person you can bully and lie about comes around.
Have to wonder just how many babies died from doctor’s negligence?
The lacerated liver & then bleeding into abdomen, none of this being seen by pathologist as cause of death is astonishing!
Have to agree with you, something very dark going on at COCH!
Don’t believe pathologist is just poor at his job?
That’s far to convenient ,
That everyone was grossly negligent?Brearey could be forgiven for negligence, but his behaviour afterwards was psychotic!!
Yes, I agree, Julie - something very dark going on at that hospital during those years. Perhaps this is the tip of an ice-berg. All best for 2025.
On the written notes have you ever put the stresses on different consonants. She could have been writing ‘they say I killed’ just stress the I and it would sound more persecutory!
@@AngelaMcKavanagh When asked by the police as to why she wrote this she said “because that’s what they were saying about me” or something to that effect I can’t remember exactly.
I do hope for justice in 2025 with this excruciatingly distressing case. Thank you Mark for the insights and the focussing of consciousness about the magnitude of injustice that you have brought and continue to bring to this medical horror show. What are we as a nation, a right thinking people, if we cannot feel for a victim like Lucy and express contempt for such a devious deception by people who are an utter disgrace to their profession? Wishing you all the best for 2025 and the strength to continue this important work to its closure - freedom for Lucy. Howard
Thank you so much, Howard. Wishing you a very good 2025.
Yes… you are right. Us nurses in America eat our young and are good at self policing ….. doctors protect each other
The thing is, paediatricians have a primary allegiance to their “family”, which is the group of other consultant paediatricians. That’s why Dewi Evans and several of the CoCH consultants supported Roy Meadow and David Southall.
Hello, Richard. Yes, it certainly seems as though that in-group preference is very powerful. All good wishes to you and family, Richard, for the coming year!
According to the Thirwall inquiry, there was going to be an inquest for Baby D.
I wonder what that might have brought to light?
@hopeisthething1965was there no inquest for 'Baby D',???
@@WesleyWattley-xy4fg
Interesting opening post with Thirlwall content in, on.. reddit document discussion:babies d and i.
"Both the inquest and another planned meeting with Dr. Harvey were cancelled when the police took over the investigation, which made Mother D unhappy -"
@@WesleyWattley-xy4fg I'm forgetting some of the facts - would need to check, Wesley.
Wasn’t that the baby whose mom had her waters that had been broken for nearly 3 days and not given antibiotics? Plus the baby was limp at birth and no one thought to start antibiotics for several hours ? So many babies, so much screw ups…. Giving me a headache just trying to keep up
Question, who was dr Jane Hardon….. still new to Lucy’s case. Only took notice last August…. News about the UK rarely crosses the pond to America… especially since it was an election year for us
She is the neonatologist CoCH got to look at all the 'unexplained' deaths - and then produced a report, in which she was only concerned about four of them, and said they needed further examination (but she didn't have the time to do that) - and then a neonatal pathologist had a look at those four. But neither Dr Hawdon or the neonatal pathologist (different to the original PM pathologist - whose name is Dr George Kokai) - found any signs of deliberate harm in any of the deaths.
@ oh that is creepy…… looking more and more like both an Agatha Christie novel and an Alfred Hitchcock movie combined…..
@@jar942 It's very layered, isn't it - and just hard to peel back all these layers - they created a fictional version of Lucy Letby - to hang all their mistakes and defecits on.
There was tension between brewery and Lucy
I understand when Lucy was asked about this she dismissed it as nothing
I know some people say the tension came from Lucy turning down breweries advances
However I’ve always understood it to be because she wrote an incident form about Doctor Gill (forgive and correct me please if I’ve got the name wrong Names are my Achilles heel. I certainly don’t want to get muddled with prof Sir Richard Gill. Who is categorically brilliant)
The incident form was because the doctor left a baby unattended on an examination table behind a closed screen
He apologised (good O) but Lucy still wrote an incident report (the right thing to do) Apparently Brewery bailed her up in the corridor about this and told her to fundamentally stop interfering and right put her in her place as a nurse.
I don’t know how true this bit is so take it with a huge grain of salt please
But apparently the dressing down was not just on a professional level but became quite personal. Like i say I don’t know the full truth of that. He did for a fact dress her down - Lucy was asked about it.
I guess there’s no smoke without fire though hey
Louise…. Interesting thanks for this info. Did not know breary did this and oh if it was in front of people he should have gotten a big slap down from management. I could also be wrong, but somewhere I read it might have been Gibbs and a trainee doctor that left that child on the table, behind a screen with no monitors on and it might have been after they put a UVC catheter in????? Again not really sure if I have all my info correct. I also believe it was Lucy who found the baby and it might have been in some sort of distress. I believe she yelled out for help…. Again I wish I could remember what baby this was…. It might have been one of the babies that she was accused of harming…… and yes I completely agree couldn’t love Richard Gill more, a friend to all nurses
...... And HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
🍾🥂 🎉 May we have justice for Lucy, Mark.
Happy New Year to you and yours, HoolyDooly! - And yes - Justice for Lucy. :-)
Brilliant arrogation Mark, as always. Thank you.
Free the innocent 📚 🇬🇧 🥇 standards plummet!!!
Did they debrief after Baby O died?
I really don't know. I think Dr B was around for these later deaths, wasn't she - ie the deaths of two of the triplets. Where she is highly stressed - going out for cigarettes etc - as mentioned in John Sweeney article in the Daily Mail.
Yes I think they did, it is referred to in a text conversation between Dr A and Letby
@@truthtouruk3723 Thank you.
Your theory is so sinister, but I think you could be right! The gang of 4 could have had an agreement, that ALL of them had made a mistake that led to patient harm, but they agreed to keep it between themselves. However, Lucy was good at her job, she noticed when procedures were not right and maybe she filed a datix report. I'd like to know the date when the rumour was started in the canteen queue. So Dr B just harboured a dislike of Lucy but when it happened to Dr B, well, that was the last straw.
It is sinister, isn't it, Jo? Sadly, that's how groups of bullies operate - bullies and liars and cowards. All good wishes for 2025.
Yes Mark, you are spot on with the "whistle blower" angle !
An "ignorance" of what actually happens to whistle blowers led me to fall foul of the way it works once you do that !
Other people in senior positions like myself were all aware of what was happening,. When I blew the whistle, they all either left or went quiet once the witch hunt got under way. People that I had removed from the courses I ran were contacted to make up false statements about me and were offered new places ! Students that were speaking the truth, were silenced. I was even barred from talking to them whilst investigations were under way.
So much more happened but I can attest to the fact that whilst whistle blowers are supposed to be protected, it only works as far as financial recompense is concerned and then you are gagged by the court...
I was naive to this BS but I think I would still have done it anyway...
Gosh, Mandian. I am so sorry this has happened to you. But as you say at the end here - you still would have blown the whistle anyway - some situations just demand that we follow our conscience, don't they? Well done indeed - for your courage and tenacity. It must have been very difficult. And I can well imagine the people you describe just folding or going quiet, or turning on the truth teller. Sending all good wishes for 2025!
@hopeisthething1965 It was a very big lesson for me that's for sure :) but it was a while ago, at the time it was hard to deal with but we move on don't we...
Keep doing what you're doing Mark and happy new year
@@mandian2 Yes, we move on, Mandian. Happy New Year to you and yours!
Thats disgusting about dr Taylor having to go abroad. Then given an award. Poor doctor taylorr.
Sorry, it was Dr Bolsin - who was/is an anaesthetist at Bristol. And he ended up being blacklisted by NHS for whistleblowing.
Who else would 🎛 know about the obvious cause of death?😢 ???????
Thanks Mark 🙏
cheers, Liz 🙂
This prosecution was purely an inside setup job by consultants at the hospital. Legal proceeding was on the way so blame somebody else
Seems like now that the doctors targeted Lucy with a hate campaign to buy themselves time from being prosecuted themselves by shifting the focus and attention from medical negligence to the drama that has been played out at the expense of Lucy’s freedom and justice system . Seemed like a really complicated case thank you for your research Mark you have cleared up the space and made it easier to comprehend what has happened.
Yes, I agree very much, Rosie. And thank you. It has to be put right - all this injustice. And all these lies.
In one of the earlier cases, I forget which one, LL sent a text to a colleague after her shift. She said "let's set up our own unit with others whose faces don't fit". Who didn't her face fit with? . . . Hmmm. This is what happens when your face doesn't fit
Thanks very much for this, Ian. It's the first time I've heard this, or come across it. And yes, another clue as to how Lucy was being made to feel. All best for 2025.
@hopeisthething1965 sorry I can't remember which one, but it was on the daily mail RUclips podcast series on the LL trial.
@@ianbriggs3957 Many thanks, Ian.
Yes. Knowing that they had likely caused, or contributed to these babies’ deaths, they must have had some other motive for pointing all the blame towards Lucy - otherwise, we would have to conclude that they are willing to condemn her to life in prison simply to cover their backs - would anybody inflict that on another human being unless they harboured something far deeper against them? Let’s face it, you would have to really hate someone to allow this to happen to them - either that, or they simply don’t give a sh*t about other people in general. I also wonder if the relationship with Dr A (?) is a factor in all this - did he throw her under the bus and portray her as some kind of Jezebel, whereas, it sounds as though it was he was who was doing the running. Was Dr B jealous? I mean how much do you have to hate someone to believe they deserve this? Maybe they just really are deluded and believe Lucy is responsible?
Is there any chance that Dr Brearey did not know what happened to baby O? Or do you think, if he was responsible, he definitely knew what he had done?
I don't know, but am going by Dr Taylor saying - that Brearey would have known. Or, I suppose, should have known. I think there should now be an inquest for Baby O - if that is possible. All best for 2025, Georger!
@hopeisthething1965 I agree. I'm just thinking if it did happen, there must be a level of incompetency and there is a chance he was oblivious in that case. But that's based on accepting what Dr Taylor said (I have no reason to think he would lie as there seems to be no motive to do so!).
prob an envelope full of 💵💵💵 for the pathologist.....i wonder if those little ones were buried
I really don't know. And don't know if the pathologist 'should' have spotted it - it just seems strange that the 'actual' cause of death can be ascertained - years later - solely from notes - and yet missed during the PM.
Death rate started increasing as predicted, if conditions in this neonatal unit didn’t change!
Yes - continuing as Dr Timmis warned. They ignored her. As has everyone since - ie trial and Thirlwall. All best for 2025, Julie.
@hopeisthething1965 To you too, I hear your voice & thank you with all my heart for your support, for Justice,critical thinking skills & your open mind.
Wishing you a very happy & prosperous New Year✊☮️❤️
all nursing end of shift notes are legal documents..have they been released to the defence?...police werent a minute scouring her medical files and scribblings for media purposes
Lucy would have been targeted because they know she is an honest person they used the incident of medical malpractice as a catalyst for the hate machine against Lucy it took a whole community of medical professionals to create this situation the doctors are just a small part of the picture .
Persecution originosa
Yes - a neat way to some it up. Best wishes for 2025.
@hopeisthething1965 and you
Maybe Breary did a deal with the pathology fella 🙏 nudge nudge wink wink 😎
Appears it would have to be more than just Brearey & pathologist?