The Contrarians Panel: Dark Horse Album #16 - Led Zeppelin In Through The Out Door
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- On our latest Dark Horse Albums we take a dive into Led Zeppelin's last official studio album In Through the Out Door.
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Its better than 90% of the music you guys talk about. Its only considered weak because of the quality of their other releases. Better than Presence.
How many bands would love for this to be their BEST album. Just another example of Zep being better than everyone else.
I also have a contrarian opinion of this album. It's my third favorite Led Zeppelin album behind Led Zeppelin IV and Physical Graffiti. They were bold enough to go in a different direction and it's the sign of a truly talented band. I love hard rocking Led Zeppelin, but I don't need to hear it 24/7. Unlike LZ IV and PG, it's not perfect so, I give it 8.5/10 and here are the reasons why:
In The Evening: I love the simple riff, the eeriness of the opening, the lyrics, etc. It's a definite favorite.
South Bound Saurez: It's not a favorite but it's a great segway into Fool In The Rain.
Fool In The Rain: It's a fun and multi-layered, which might explain the length. And Jimmy Page's solo puts it over the top for me. It's also another favorite Zeppelin song of mine
Hot Dog: Hate it w/a passion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Carouselambra: It's a gem someone once called JPJ's Stairway to Heaven.
All of My Love: I think it's a sweet and sad ballad and the musical arrangement is pretty good. I see nothing wrong w/this song.
I'm Gonna Crawl: It's definitely not a favorite but, compared to Hot Dog, it's a f***ing materpiece!
I like all three of the leftover tracks, Darlene, Ozone Baby and Wearng and Tearing, better than Hot Dog. If two of these songs were on the album instead of Hot Dog and I'm Gonna Crawl, my 8.5 would probably jump to a 9.5. If I had to choose which songs would go on this album and the succession, it would be:
In The Evening (Starter)
South Bound Saurez
Fool In The Rain
Darlene (Replace Hot Dog because it has a Jerry Lee Lewis 50s style to it)
Wearing and Tearing ( I love this song and would be a decent segway into Carouselambra)
Carouselambra
All of My Love (Closer)
This is why I love The Contrarians, so many differing opinions but totally respectfully communicated. I love the album and for a band as great as LZ, that it ranks so low shows how really great they were. It was a risky different direction for them and it paid off in some ways but let a lot of older fans down. I was a younger fan it really works well for me.
Thank you!! That's why i love it too!
I'm a total contrarian and have always enjoyed this album! Funny thing....listened to it just yesterday.
It's really not bad!
My first and favourite Zep album...I also recall my wife at the time being totally smitten/entranced by 'In the Evening' and playing it over and over through the nights of partying lol. To touch on what Martin says regarding the production; some of the truley greatest sounding albums came out during that cusp of time before the digital revolution when analog technology had finally peeked. Amazing Bonham drum sounds! I feel some recording engineers forgot how to record drums moving into the 80's
Nope, a lot of people, including musicians, thought were able to replace a bleeding and sweating drummer with computersoftware.And you know what? They did not want to admit it made the music suck.
"Wearing & Tearing" is the only top-tier track from the Coda album - - it would have been a fantastic substitute for "Hot Dog" on the In Through the Out Door album.
Not sure if you've seen the DVD that they put out, I think it's Earl's Court, maybe Royal Albert, but they open with We're gonna Groove and it absolutely smokes. Might change your opinion. I Love all the Zep albums. including ITTOD, They each have their own personality.
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I forgot about "We're Gonna Groove" - - it's decent but still not top-tier Led Zeppelin. I didn't know they had ever performed it live though. I have a DVD of one of the big UK music festivals from the late 80's or early 90's (Glastonbury? - - I don't remember) in which Page & Plant do a rendition of "Wearing & Tearing."
Relative to Zeppelin's entire catalogue which is completely full of classic after classic, its not a surprise this album falls towards the bottom. The first six albums are an incredibly high bar to top. So this album is not better than their first six albums but it is better than Presence and Coda. Every great band evolves musically and I think this is a really good album by any standard, even Led Zeppelin's. To give this album some perspective, I've heard 5 of 7 songs played on classic rock radio, 3 of which were on constant rotation along with three dozen other Zeppelin songs.
absolutely agree 💯
I'd only replace "South Bound Saurez" with "Darlene" (yes I enjoy "Hot Dog" as I appreciate the intentional comedic homage).
"Wearing And Tearing" would not fit on ITTOD despite it being a great song in the vein of "Wanton Song"
I would give it a 7.5. I actually think it has stood the test of time better than any of their other albums. I find I listen to it more than any other Led Zeppelin album, even the ones I like better, like II and Houses Of The Holy. I like that Martin pointed out how the inner sleeve changes color when you add water to it!
Mentioned this before. But, that middle section in "Carouselambra" is one of Zep's best moments. Jimmy comes in with that loud, angry guitar that shakes the room. Love that! It's like he was saying to JPJ, "Hey enough of your synths, I'm still here with my guitar!"
John Paul Jones did amazing work on this album, John Bonhams drums sound great....It's a good album, love the breakdown & guitar solo on 'In the evening'....different vibe & sounds, It's a yay for me! In saying that, it would be at the bottom of my list of Zeppelin albums.
First off my 3 fav LZ albums are PG, Presence & Houses, and although I love their entire catalogue, I'm also totally burnt out on LZII & IV. iTtOD is a very refreshing album, dark, moody, heavy and I enjoy it a lot. I've never been a big fan of Carouselambra which to me overstays its welcome (I often compare it to Rush's Camera Eye which has the same problem for me), but I don't dislike that song either. probably more than to any other LZ album, this is the one I come back to the most. I'd give it a solid 8/10. Cheers.
Hot Dog actually "Cooks" a little bit as a song BUT the rest of the album "Smolders" so this is and always has been a "Hot" album of Zep's
"Carouselambra" (hope I spelled that correctly) has always been a great underrated epic track - - the synths and proggy elements gave a good indication of where the band's predominant sound may have gone had they continued recording going into the early 1980's. It is too bad that the XYZ project never panned out either.
I agree about Carouselambra
100% agree. Really shows the depth of JPJ's songwriting/arrangements and Page even sounds great on this track. It was rumored that if Zep had been able to tour the US in 1980-1981 that they were planning to have this song on the setlist. What might have been. Next to Achilles this has become my 2nd favourite track from the band, with Ten Years Gone close behind.
You Know this album holds up when All my Love is such a Comforting listen all these years later
Ditto for I'm Gonna Crawl!
I came in from the back as a zeppline. Fan. I bought "in thru the out door" & "coda" on CD first due to the record shop we had here.
In the 90's.
so I liked it. still do.
8/10.
I like this album a lot more after revisiting it again years later. I didn't listen to it much back in the day but find it quite enjoyable now. I love the guitar solo towards the end of the song "Fool in the Rain".
In 1979, I was 12 years old. I bought this album, and played it continuously, as I didn't have many albums at the time. So, it has a special place for me. The remastered album really improves the sound quality, especially with Bonham's drums. Big difference from the muddy sounding original release.
I think it’s a very good album , the tracks maybe a little long which is why people don’t care for the album but in the evening is one of my absolute favorites from zeppelin ~krash
Love every song but Hot Dog. My fav Zep album.
This and Physical Graffiti are the only two Zeppelin albums I've listened to for many years. I love this album.
I’ve always enjoyed this album, would rank it a solid 8/10. Several months ago I found myself listening to it almost every day, never grew tired of it. Not Zeppelin’s best but definitely near the top of their discography for me.
Mixed reviews from this panel. Not surprised. However, from one Todd to another, I'm Gonna Crawl is my favorite on the album. And that string into is truly beautiful. Ranking this album a 9/10, only because Hot Dog is "just okay". Thanks guys.
Thanks Todd!!
Not sure what the confusion is all about regarding Carouselambra... Plant is describing the "ride" ...the carousel...that was his experience with the band up until that point...the ups and downs... the lyrics read like poetry. For me easily among his best lyrically.
I've always liked this album by Zeppelin. To me it was the precursor to that 80's style hard rock( think Whitesnake, Billy Squire, Loverboy etc.) between the drums, synths and production. Just listened to "In the evening" on the way home from work tonight. They would've been my first concert that year until Bonzo died . IMHO I'd give it a out a 7 out of 10. I was going into 9th grade when this came out.
wow my uncle had tickets to zeppelin too and they were cancelled for the same reason.
The weird latin rhythms on this album makes it a proto latin rock album without sounding annoying or “too Santanish“. I think this has to be a precursor to the 90s latin rock explosion. Im pretty sure Maldita Vecindad, Café Tacuba or Los Fabulosos Cadillacs were listening closely. Carouselambra is mind blowing and theres nothing bad on the album. Groundbreaking, probably a 8.5 or 9 of out 10. Being heavy is not the goal here, just being cool.
I've always liked this album........
It was the third Zeppelin album I heard, after PG and HOTH and although it wasn't particularly heavy even though I was gagging for all things heavy back in the summer of 1980, I was already used to Zeppelin's "diversity alongside the heaviness" way of doing albums, so I never saw it as a disadvantage. Had I listened to all their albums up to this point, I might've been a little underwhelmed. As it happens and thankfully so, I didn't get a chance to be.
The only song I don't like on the album is the closer, "I'm gonna crawl" and no one can tell me I never gave it a chance. I tried from 1980 through to the end of the 90s and then decided I am trying no more.
But the rest of the songs are cool. I like "Hot Dog", a kind of baby brother to the Beatles' "Act Naturally," and I think Carouselambra is the last of the great Zeppelin songs, an absolute barnstormer and a great place to end. I also have always liked "All my love" ¬> I liked it decades before I found out what inspired it.
I like all the Zeppelin albums that came before this more than I like ITTOD, but that doesn't mean much because I like to take an album on its own merits and from that viewpoint, this is an album that always scores highly with me.
Great episode guys! I personally dig this album a lot! The drum beat in fool in the rain is just incredible! Been covered many times by countless drummers! I give it an 8.5 out of 10!
Thank you!! Alot of the panelists feel the same way!
I give it a noine
I love this album! Fool In The Rain is one of my all Time favorite songs! In The Evening, All My Love and Carouselambra are Classic!!!
Great discussion as always! I enjoy this album a lot, but a lot of that is probably because most of it is not as overplayed as the rest of the catalog.
Thank you Joe!
My favorite Zeppelin album honestly. A classic IMO.
Ittod gets some negativity for sure, but the sleeper track is I'm gonna crawl. Its one of those tracks that permeates the listener's soul, providing that the listener actually has a soul
Great show guys! This and Presence have always been my least Led Zeppelin albums but they have both grown on me over the years. I admire the eclectic sounds here. I always dug "Hot Dog" and "Fool in the Rain". "In the Evening" has always been my favorite track. I used to despise "Carouselambra" and I appreciate it more now. "All My Love" is by far my least favorite of their songs that hit AOR radio. I would give it a 6.
The problem with people is they don't know how to listen to albums. This album is perfect for a sunny October afternoon, or a late September evening if it's warm. Make sure to use a bong for your smoke and limit the alcohol consumption to less than six shots.
John "JPJ" Richard Baldwin
John "Bonzo" Henry Bonham
Robert Anthony Plant
James Patrick Page
The different scenes are the perspectives of the six other people in the room besides the main character.
Love this album actually. It tends to get ragged on yes, but with a catalogue as strong as Zeppelins, and in comparison to just their albums, it is indeed one of the weaker ones. Yet the production is better than many or all of the others imho. I still clearly remember hearing it as a 12 year old and loving it, and then hearing of Bonhams passing so admittedly it holds sentimental value as I am/was a huge Bonzo fan. In Through The Out Door is a solid 8.5/10 for me...only because I don't care for Hot Dog. Great episode Contrarians! \m/ \m/
The heavy reverb on Plant's vocals is annoying on this album. Not sure why they went that direction. It's a high mix, short tail (tight room) reverb. It's why you can't tell what he''s saying in Caroselambra.
....................or In The Evening.
Great episode guys. I have always
loved this album. Fool In The Rain & All My Love are terrific. I’ll give a 10/10.
Thank you!
I’ll give it a noine
Outside of Zeppelin IV, I don't think any of the Led Zep albums were perfect, so this one's no different. I'm not a huge fan of Hot Dog or South Bound Suarez. But I'm Gonna Crawl is a huge step up from Tea For One. If you listen to classic rock radio long enough, you're bound to hear "Fool In The Rain" and "All of My Love" on any given day and they still sound fresh to me.
I think Ozone Baby would have been a fine replacement for Hot Dog. Carouselambra is my favorite on the record - always has been. While the album on a whole might be "lower-tier" Led Zeppelin, it's still fantastic compared with other bands. I'd give it at least an 8 out of 10.
I do like this album; however, Ozone Baby would have helped significantly. I do have a few questions. Were any of the variants sold more than others? Also, were the variants sold equally in all areas of the county? For example, did the South get more copies of variant A and the North more variant B?
With In Through the Outdoor, Led Zeppelin was scolded for everything Talking Heads were praised for doing a year later with Remain in Light. Fact.
This album has 4 good to great tracks, 1 ok track (all of my love), and 2 horrible tracks ( Fool in the rain and Hot Dog). I'd give it 8 out of 10
Solid rating!
7.5/10 for me. Some days it feels a little long in the tooth. Like, it could’ve used a little more of punch like “In the Evening” has in other spots throughout the LP. That would probably make it better for me. Great songs like “I’m Gonna Crawl”, “Carouselambra”, “Fool in the Rain” . . I like “Hot Dog”. It’s not nearly as bad as we all claim.
I dig this album as well! Great episode guys !
Thanks!
The only thing that gets me about in through the out door just 7 songs is almost an EP
If Wearing and Tearing was on In through the outdoor, the album should be so much better.
those breakdowns in carouselambra are soooo good
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I love that album. I never understand why Zeppelin fans don't like it. In The Evening rocks. All the songs except for Hot Dog are great songs
Heck, I even like Hot Dog!
It's better than Presence. Carouselambra, In The Evening, Southbound Suarez and Fool In The Rain are all great.The only thing I would say about Carouselambra is that Plant's vocals are too low in the mix.
No Zeppelin album has grown on me more over the years than In Through The Out Door. 25 years ago if you asked me about the album I would've said I don't really like it. My least favorite Led Zeppelin album (unless you count Coda). It's still probably my least favorite Led Zeppelin album but it's a really good album that I really like. That's the thing about Led Zeppelin, they don't have a bad album. Even Coda is good imo.
I like in through. I think they would have gone to the 80s for one more album if all were survived.
The first 50 seconds of "In the Evening" is the only thing great about In Through The Out Door. JMO
In the evening is one of the best songs ever so I have nothing bad to say
It's a good album, not my favorite for sure but it's probably a 7/10 for me. It's missing their hard rock punch but it has some good stuff on it. Martin you sure live up to the name Contrarian buddy. lol I can't believe you don't llike those first couple albums!... they're so good. lol I'm just joking with ya Martin! lol It's all a matter of taste guys, everybody loves something different I guess eh! Good show, as per usual fellas!
lol tell us about it! haha thanks for the comment!
In Through the Out Door is not one of LZ's top albums, but it's definitely a very good one. LZ has only great and less great albums TMO. You hear the sound of the 80's on this one. Who knows what would have followed! I would rank it a bit higher than Presence - 8.5/10.
It’s fairly good. Needs another rocker. I would take fool in the rain off and put ozone baby on there. Does not sound like any of their other albums, a bit too much of a difference to me.
a solid 8
Very good album other than the cheesy Elvis wanna be hot dog never liked that song still never do but oh well.
However I do love the epic carousalamba I think it's a fantastic piece of music
I don't hate "In Though the Out Door" by any means, but it is probably my least favorite Led Zeppelin album except for Coda. I simply adore "All of My Love," so the rest of the album could be absolute garbage, and I'll still have it in my collection. Luckily, the rest of the album is reasonably enjoyable for what it is.
Its not a bad album , but for me its their 2nd worst. Coda is the worst. Physical is their best .
I'd give the album a 7.5, so I'm pretty much in line with this panel. Not really a necessary album to hear. It's for completests only.
It's my least fav of all their albums, not counting CODA, but I still really like it. 6 Great albums & 2 very good albums imo
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It drives me nuts the way the epithet “mellow” is so often applied on channels like this. It seems to be used as a one size fits all label for anything that’s not balls to the wall heavy or complex, or is less so than usual for the band in question.
To me “mellow” is Perry Como or Johnny Mathis, it’s someone in canary yellow pyjamas, a paisley dressing gown and chequered slippers, sipping on a small sherry and listening to their “L.P.s” on their “radiogram”. I don’t know, maybe that is how you guys listen to your music.
Twenty-Four Hours from Tulsa, Wichita Linesman, Son of a Preacher Man - I don’t even consider those songs “mellow”, it would be an insult.
Maybe it’s just me.
Anyway, on the album, I love it. Does it give me what I really want from Led Zeppelin - I’d have to give it a 6/10 for that. How does it stand taken on its own - 9/10, and that’s the one that counts for me.
It is such a stupid word, yet there's no substitute.
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My favorite album. In fact albums prior to this = piece of shite
Hotdog should not be on the albu'm
I do not agree with any of these experts. Only a true connoisseur knows that Led Zeppelin music cannot simply be catalogued or put in order. They are unique because they were extremely versatile.
A member of Deep Purple said they could play the music genre they wanted and do it well and not look bad doing it.
The real experts, One said (and I'm not talking here about Rolling Stone magazine bad reviews, they apologaised years later... Jajaj).....
"Confirms my long-held belief that this is a real good art-rock band", ..(after all this years? , Interesting)....
while "the lollapalooza hooks on the first side confirms the world's long-held belief that this is a real good hard rock band"
Zeppelin is about the emotional state and type of mood of the moment because "Theres not a bad Led Zeppelin song" ....
BUT, if in music what matters are the Numbers (although I don't think so):
ITTOD " was a big commercial success, reached number one on billboard, and top ten in several countries, and was nominated for best album at the American music awards"
...... Not bad for a minor album, don't you think so??
MacDonalds restaurants would be plundered as well after a long break.
This album couldn't be more hopeless if it tried, Zeppelin trying to be modern, wearing modern clothes does not make you modern & was the absolute death of Zeppelin, hate this album.
Garbage album. Best thing that happened to them was breaking up after this.
Say that to John Bonham’s family. You are an idiot. Too bad the best thing that happened to you was not an abortion.
Huge fan of the mighty Zep, although I've always wonder how someone may like ITTOD, sorry guys, it is cheesy, greasy messy, a complete fail, one of the worst albums ever made.
My only disagreement are the effects around all of you...
some people seem to like it