FYI: I later discovered the lane centering can be turned off independently of the lane departure warning via a steering wheel button, therefore eliminating the steering wheel nudge without displaying the orange warning in the gauge cluster.
You made a great point that so many people online seem to forget or just don't realize is that we as car enthusiasts are a huge minority when it comes to the automotive industry, most car buyers just don't care if a car is fast, fun or cool. We are the minority.
I just bought my 2020 Legacy Premium and can’t wait for winter! I love the 11” touch screen, very Tesla like! The ride is great and great gas mileage. For the price of the Legacy it’s very hard to beat
17:43 "It thinks that I've passed out or something" Love it! 😂 I wasn't sure I'd like having two separate videos but it's grown on me! Great review. Also, nice jacket!
I was considering this car and possibly the Outback. After watching this great detailed review and Savage Geese's Outback review I think there are too many deal breakers with these 2020 models. The weird cvt behavior, the auto start/stop, the driving nannies, the yellow warning in the dash, the big screen with no dedicated buttons for climate and seat heat etc.
Randy M The eyesight integration and CVT are what pushed me away from Subaru as well when I was shopping around. I ended up buying a Golf Sportwagen instead and have loved it so far. AWD, turbocharged, manual or dual clutch transmission options, loads of space, no annoying lane keep/auto start-stop and fully defeatable traction control. If you like the outback, the GSW/Alltrack are worth a look if there’s any local to you. Unfortunately they’ll be all gone soon
CVTs get a bad rap for sure, but I can honestly say I love the one in mine. No issues with acceleration or RPMs or anything, except when it's really cold. I think it's great...but everything else you mentioned, amen to that dude.
Thanks for sharing another good one Matt. I am 37 so I actually have a varied taste when it comes to certain things, some old school and simple I like and others more edgy and fun, it all depends. Subaru definitely does play it "SAFE" when it comes to design, more evolution than revolution aside from jumping out with all those safety tech features. I have sat in both the Legacy and the 2020 Outback and I do like the interior design and quality, aside from a few quirks that you and Beth pointed out, but they are not deal breakers. I am like you in that I wouldn't want all the Nannies, some of it is okay like the distracted driving monitor, but it just seems to take it overboard. I am glad that you can shut most of it off. Hopefully they do make an STI Legacy in the near future, personally I would love a Crosstrek STI (which I know is a lifted Impreza not a Legacy).
Honestly, I would have preferred the 2020 exterior but the 2019 interior. I like the simple and straightforward look of the previous generation on the inside, and the fact that the screen is much more reasonable in terms of size and the HVAC has real controls. The safety features of this current generation is ridiculous and really is going to make less competent drivers. At least in my '19, I can turn off every single safety system and it doesn't do anything without me enabling it; your comment about it trying to steer for you in every situation is very unnerving. And facial scanning to keep your eyes on the road? Damn, big brother much? I bought my Subaru for it's AWD and the fact that it was made in the US, which were two very important factors for me. And I tried to get a very basic model because I didn't want all these 'features'. I'm very glad I didn't hold out for this new series and I think I dodged quite the bullet.
It’s called lane centering assist and does not work until you turn the eyesight on. The eyesight monitors the road whether it’s on or off but the lane centering assist only works when you cuts it on. Also in normal daily driving you cannot tell it a CVT but when you step on the throttle you will know which most people won’t do.
I agree with you on the ride height. These are family mid sized sedans why are companies trying to make them lower? They should be more like the legacy and then the sport trim can be an inch or two lower. Taller roofs are also great for interior space and outward visibility.
I completely agree with you on the CVT on the Legacy. It's unpredictable of how it's going to respond. I had a loaner car from dealership and they gave me the Legacy. It was a wonderful car to drive on long drives however when it comes to handling/cornering, yep I agree with you as well. It's just not enjoyable to drive for sporty terms. Even the steering feel was just meh. It made me miss my 2017 Impreza a lot. I enjoy taking more Impreza on corners a lot because it handles well and the steering feel is pretty good when I'm turning. Not WRX level but good feedback. The CVT on my car is also better despite it's not a speed demon. The CVT ratios on my car drop immediately when I press the pedal (depending how much throttle output I want to put out). My car has 65,000mi so I guess it's already knows how to respond because how I trained it? I don't know. The Legacy, when I press the pedal, the CVT ratios aren't predictable. It tends to have a mind of its own and I didn't like that. I love the Legacy and but the lack of handling and steering feel is a huge drawback from me. I think the transmission behavior can be trained depending on the owner but for me it felt like a different transmission than the Impreza CVT.
Toyota and Honda have gone to far to the extreme end of design, and it doesn't work. Subaru is 'trying' to keep it subtle, but it also doesn't work. Subaru needs to get a good designer to really flush out a great, timeless, subtle design. Here's a hot tip Subaru: Design the exterior without taillights or headlights. Get the body to look really good without these elements - ESPECIALLY the middle of the car. Then go back in and do the lights. So many cars have ornate, over the top headlights and tailights that are stuck on the most boring of bodies...
Matt what do you think about the stop start set up honestly when I drove one I don’t think it belongs with the flat engine it just doesn’t feel right what you come to a stop in the engine shut off and try to start back up, I totally agree with you on all the driver assist recently my parents just got a new 2020 Acura MDX and my poor father was getting so overwhelmed by all the tech I kept trying to help them out over Christmas trying to help him learn all the telematics different functions and the first thing we did was turn off the steering assist to keep you back in the lane ! When I bought my 13 legacy eyesight was an option I think it was at that time was $1000 option I didn’t get it though I’m that type a driver that enjoys driving doesn’t try to get distracted a lot like you are Matt!
Subaru being a Japanese company, I just had to laugh at the eyesight monitoring system comment about "I dont know if my eyes arent opened wide enough for it". Lol!
I consider myself an enthusiast behind the wheel of my modified corvette. Something I couldn’t care less about is a sporty Camry or paddle shifters on a minivan. Just like the trd Camry, it’s nonsense. It’s just a car for your mom that doesn’t ride as good as before
Haven't seen it on the channel, but do you have any plans on testing a Legacy XT? Would be curious if some of your issues (handling, accelerator, etc.) would be addressed in the XT vs. the NA.
I actually own a 2021 Subaru Legacy touring XT. Much faster 0-60 time but I am more impressed with the 30-80 time. As far as handling, i would say it’s about the same. I had a 2020 Subaru Legacy rental for about a week and a half.
You seem to miss the point. This car is for adults. If/when I want "sporty", I'll get a Mazda MX5. But then I wouldn't grouse about its lack of trunk space and the uncomfortable, non-existent rear seat.
Don't know if you were fishing for a reply but here's one if you're interested. The Eyesight system in my opinion works about 80% of the time. Sometimes it'll yell at me that there's an obstacle in the way when the road is clear, and other times something does jump out in front of me and it doesn't say a word. But when it works, it does do a decent job. And it can all be disabled so at least there's that. I personally lowered the volume on it's warnings and I barely notice them anymore.
As a Subaru, Volkswagen and Porsche fan the legacy is "The" family Jetta and the 2.5 engine go back to the 70's carrea rs. And besides Land Rover Subaru is the car that won against the rugged Australian Outback, hints the name. So when ultima, camery and accord owners give you crap the leggy has pedigree subie owns that title. It's just better.
I feel like Subaru is becoming Nannybaru, and they're getting out of their lane for some reason. They're going to lose the formula that got them where they are. I simply would not own one of these Legacies having seen this video. Eyesight was all the rage when it came out but it seems to be too much nowadays. I hope they don't wreck the WRX with all this stuff.
I wonder if they tweaked throttle mappings. Had a '13 & now '16 Outback and throttle is super sensitive which I kind of like. I have plenty of power with 2.5L. I think this car looks older than previous gen.
But it won't always be engaged, it'll wait for slippage before activating. Subaru's AWD system is always on. Not sure if that matters to most people but that's one of the differences I learned.
For the same price of Xt , I leased a 2019 A4 Komfort. Why pay a premium price for a Cvt! Subaru badly need an automatic transmission, Honda is offering Cvt or Automatic Transmission with their Accord, very smart .Other Car manufactures are going to beat Subaru in its own game( AWD). AWD Camry, AWD Altima, Soon AWD Accord, AWD Mazda !!! 10 Years Loyal Customer with four Subarus, now it is time for me to move on, Hello Audi. Looking forward to next ten years
I agree with Kyle unfortunately I think Subaru had to go the way of market value styling I still love the look of my fifth GEN legacy and the ones before mine! Specially the spec b !
the title should be "my opinion on the CVT and acceleration of the Subaru legacy, with a little of everything else while i continue to complain about the CVT". seriously you just droned on about it for over half the video. I personally prefer a smooth shift, so the CVT worked for me. u gave SO little to everything els about the car outside the CVT and safety systems, that this is turned into 1 of the worst car reviews iv ever seen. we did not even see the back seats or trunk, maybe about 10 seconds of hood time, no mention of headspace, or all the buttons to the screen and climate controls. no mention of the spare tire availability, no view of the backup camera situation. all of this missing content for a 26-minute video. iv watched half a dozen other video reviews that covered twice as much content in half the time while covering many important and beneficial points that this vehicle seems to have. it doesn't seem to be the best in anything and it doesn't need to be at its very low price. but it does do everything very well for its price bracket, even beating many higher-priced cars in allot of these areas.
The subaru looks decent...for about 5-10 years ago. I feel like their designs, interior and exterior, are always a generation or two back. It's kinda boring. They'll catch up but it'll take them a while, and by that time the competitors have moved on, the industry will have moved on
Wow. Is it just me. Isn't the styling 90s 00s 10s hardly 2020. Am I wrong???? It looks like so many other cars out in last 15 years..... cannot quite put my finger on it. Really shocked.
@@MattMaranMotoring Oh, so now you are speaking for her.... ouch.... I hope you have a nice couch.... (Honestly though, I wound't frame her opinion as a "woman's" opinion. That's pretty sexist. It would be far better to frame her opinion as a "non-car enthusiast" or an "everyday driver" - that is, if she's not into cars like you.).
I’m not speaking for her, we discussed our plan at great length and came up with it together. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with labeling her opinion as a female perspective. Saying she’s just an “everyday driver” discounts what insight she can bring. While there’s a few female car reviewers on RUclips, it’s mostly a male-dominated space, which is crazy since over 50% of car buying decisions are made by women. I’m not just bringing in a “second opinion” by having Beth in the videos, I’m trying to better serve female car shoppers.
I agree with you on the ride height. These are family mid sized sedans why are companies trying to make them lower? They should be more like the legacy and then the sport trim can be an inch or two lower. Taller roofs are also great for interior space and outward visibility.
FYI: I later discovered the lane centering can be turned off independently of the lane departure warning via a steering wheel button, therefore eliminating the steering wheel nudge without displaying the orange warning in the gauge cluster.
You made a great point that so many people online seem to forget or just don't realize is that we as car enthusiasts are a huge minority when it comes to the automotive industry, most car buyers just don't care if a car is fast, fun or cool. We are the minority.
I just bought my 2020 Legacy Premium and can’t wait for winter! I love the 11” touch screen, very Tesla like! The ride is great and great gas mileage. For the price of the Legacy it’s very hard to beat
We just bought one. I like conservative. I like safety and AWD. I don't care about 0 - 60 times.
15 years ago Subaru had it right with the Legacy.
It's a very classic look which I like.
17:43 "It thinks that I've passed out or something" Love it! 😂
I wasn't sure I'd like having two separate videos but it's grown on me! Great review. Also, nice jacket!
I was considering this car and possibly the Outback. After watching this great detailed review and Savage Geese's Outback review I think there are too many deal breakers with these 2020 models. The weird cvt behavior, the auto start/stop, the driving nannies, the yellow warning in the dash, the big screen with no dedicated buttons for climate and seat heat etc.
Randy M The eyesight integration and CVT are what pushed me away from Subaru as well when I was shopping around. I ended up buying a Golf Sportwagen instead and have loved it so far. AWD, turbocharged, manual or dual clutch transmission options, loads of space, no annoying lane keep/auto start-stop and fully defeatable traction control. If you like the outback, the GSW/Alltrack are worth a look if there’s any local to you. Unfortunately they’ll be all gone soon
CVTs get a bad rap for sure, but I can honestly say I love the one in mine. No issues with acceleration or RPMs or anything, except when it's really cold. I think it's great...but everything else you mentioned, amen to that dude.
Thanks for sharing another good one Matt. I am 37 so I actually have a varied taste when it comes to certain things, some old school and simple I like and others more edgy and fun, it all depends. Subaru definitely does play it "SAFE" when it comes to design, more evolution than revolution aside from jumping out with all those safety tech features. I have sat in both the Legacy and the 2020 Outback and I do like the interior design and quality, aside from a few quirks that you and Beth pointed out, but they are not deal breakers. I am like you in that I wouldn't want all the Nannies, some of it is okay like the distracted driving monitor, but it just seems to take it overboard. I am glad that you can shut most of it off. Hopefully they do make an STI Legacy in the near future, personally I would love a Crosstrek STI (which I know is a lifted Impreza not a Legacy).
Honestly, I would have preferred the 2020 exterior but the 2019 interior. I like the simple and straightforward look of the previous generation on the inside, and the fact that the screen is much more reasonable in terms of size and the HVAC has real controls. The safety features of this current generation is ridiculous and really is going to make less competent drivers. At least in my '19, I can turn off every single safety system and it doesn't do anything without me enabling it; your comment about it trying to steer for you in every situation is very unnerving. And facial scanning to keep your eyes on the road? Damn, big brother much?
I bought my Subaru for it's AWD and the fact that it was made in the US, which were two very important factors for me. And I tried to get a very basic model because I didn't want all these 'features'. I'm very glad I didn't hold out for this new series and I think I dodged quite the bullet.
I prefer this LEGACY over any car you mentioned...I am older & more on the conservative side & feel for me a much better vehicle😬
The longform take on the driver assistance tech was really good, Matt. I'd hate all the bells and dings at intersections and crossovers.
It’s called lane centering assist and does not work until you turn the eyesight on. The eyesight monitors the road whether it’s on or off but the lane centering assist only works when you cuts it on. Also in normal daily driving you cannot tell it a CVT but when you step on the throttle you will know which most people won’t do.
I agree with you on the ride height. These are family mid sized sedans why are companies trying to make them lower? They should be more like the legacy and then the sport trim can be an inch or two lower. Taller roofs are also great for interior space and outward visibility.
That picture of the competitor Camry at 23:15 looks mean AF.
Awesome review, very thorough. Love the split between interior and driving experience.
hi Matt. nice vid. liked b4 watching b/c i knew it was goin to b good
Interior has improved a lot.
I completely agree with you on the CVT on the Legacy. It's unpredictable of how it's going to respond. I had a loaner car from dealership and they gave me the Legacy. It was a wonderful car to drive on long drives however when it comes to handling/cornering, yep I agree with you as well. It's just not enjoyable to drive for sporty terms. Even the steering feel was just meh. It made me miss my 2017 Impreza a lot. I enjoy taking more Impreza on corners a lot because it handles well and the steering feel is pretty good when I'm turning. Not WRX level but good feedback.
The CVT on my car is also better despite it's not a speed demon. The CVT ratios on my car drop immediately when I press the pedal (depending how much throttle output I want to put out). My car has 65,000mi so I guess it's already knows how to respond because how I trained it? I don't know. The Legacy, when I press the pedal, the CVT ratios aren't predictable. It tends to have a mind of its own and I didn't like that. I love the Legacy and but the lack of handling and steering feel is a huge drawback from me. I think the transmission behavior can be trained depending on the owner but for me it felt like a different transmission than the Impreza CVT.
I like the design... but I wish it is lower and sleeker.
Toyota and Honda have gone to far to the extreme end of design, and it doesn't work. Subaru is 'trying' to keep it subtle, but it also doesn't work. Subaru needs to get a good designer to really flush out a great, timeless, subtle design. Here's a hot tip Subaru: Design the exterior without taillights or headlights. Get the body to look really good without these elements - ESPECIALLY the middle of the car. Then go back in and do the lights. So many cars have ornate, over the top headlights and tailights that are stuck on the most boring of bodies...
Love it. Such a great car
Great review!
Matt what do you think about the stop start set up honestly when I drove one I don’t think it belongs with the flat engine it just doesn’t feel right what you come to a stop in the engine shut off and try to start back up, I totally agree with you on all the driver assist recently my parents just got a new 2020 Acura MDX and my poor father was getting so overwhelmed by all the tech I kept trying to help them out over Christmas trying to help him learn all the telematics different functions and the first thing we did was turn off the steering assist to keep you back in the lane ! When I bought my 13 legacy eyesight was an option I think it was at that time was $1000 option I didn’t get it though I’m that type a driver that enjoys driving doesn’t try to get distracted a lot like you are Matt!
Subaru being a Japanese company, I just had to laugh at the eyesight monitoring system comment about "I dont know if my eyes arent opened wide enough for it". Lol!
Interesting, it's a shame the nannies are so extreme with this one.
I consider myself an enthusiast behind the wheel of my modified corvette. Something I couldn’t care less about is a sporty Camry or paddle shifters on a minivan. Just like the trd Camry, it’s nonsense. It’s just a car for your mom that doesn’t ride as good as before
Also did you get a chance to try the brake assist I think that came down from Toyota my parents Highlander has that option !
Haven't seen it on the channel, but do you have any plans on testing a Legacy XT? Would be curious if some of your issues (handling, accelerator, etc.) would be addressed in the XT vs. the NA.
I actually own a 2021 Subaru Legacy touring XT. Much faster 0-60 time but I am more impressed with the 30-80 time. As far as handling, i would say it’s about the same. I had a 2020 Subaru Legacy rental for about a week and a half.
You seem to miss the point. This car is for adults. If/when I want "sporty", I'll get a Mazda MX5. But then I wouldn't grouse about its lack of trunk space and the uncomfortable, non-existent rear seat.
Looks like the legacy has become the new "Camry" now that the Camry is so much sportier
Good honest reviews.
I'd heard mixed reviews of the Eyesight system. Hearing it go off periodically during the drive was pretty damning.
Don't know if you were fishing for a reply but here's one if you're interested. The Eyesight system in my opinion works about 80% of the time. Sometimes it'll yell at me that there's an obstacle in the way when the road is clear, and other times something does jump out in front of me and it doesn't say a word. But when it works, it does do a decent job. And it can all be disabled so at least there's that. I personally lowered the volume on it's warnings and I barely notice them anymore.
As a Subaru, Volkswagen and Porsche fan the legacy is "The" family Jetta and the 2.5 engine go back to the 70's carrea rs.
And besides Land Rover Subaru is the car that won against the rugged Australian Outback, hints the name.
So when ultima, camery and accord owners give you crap the leggy has pedigree subie owns that title. It's just better.
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I feel like Subaru is becoming Nannybaru, and they're getting out of their lane for some reason. They're going to lose the formula that got them where they are. I simply would not own one of these Legacies having seen this video. Eyesight was all the rage when it came out but it seems to be too much nowadays. I hope they don't wreck the WRX with all this stuff.
Great video!
It's actually a decent looking car with a decent engine, too bad about the shitty CVT otherwise I'd be buying this over my current choice.
Uh, isn't the Legacy supposed to be sporty? What the hell happened to the Legacy.
I wonder if they tweaked throttle mappings. Had a '13 & now '16 Outback and throttle is super sensitive which I kind of like. I have plenty of power with 2.5L.
I think this car looks older than previous gen.
I wish Subaru bring back window frameless on their doors
Do the sport mode on 2.5 sport
Camry coming out with AWD for mid 2020.
But it won't always be engaged, it'll wait for slippage before activating. Subaru's AWD system is always on. Not sure if that matters to most people but that's one of the differences I learned.
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@@clairekennedy8767 You're welcome
For the same price of Xt , I leased a 2019 A4 Komfort. Why pay a premium price for a Cvt! Subaru badly need an automatic transmission, Honda is offering Cvt or Automatic Transmission with their Accord, very smart .Other Car manufactures are going to beat Subaru in its own game( AWD). AWD Camry, AWD Altima, Soon AWD Accord, AWD Mazda !!! 10 Years Loyal Customer with four Subarus, now it is time for me to move on, Hello Audi. Looking forward to next ten years
Subaru are good cars but style wise 🥱
My pipe dream!
I agree with Kyle unfortunately I think Subaru had to go the way of market value styling I still love the look of my fifth GEN legacy and the ones before mine! Specially the spec b !
Not a fan of the rims at all
There is definitely a place for all these nannies, especially with the Gen Z demographic. They would drive me nuts though.
the title should be "my opinion on the CVT and acceleration of the Subaru legacy, with a little of everything else while i continue to complain about the CVT". seriously you just droned on about it for over half the video. I personally prefer a smooth shift, so the CVT worked for me. u gave SO little to everything els about the car outside the CVT and safety systems, that this is turned into 1 of the worst car reviews iv ever seen. we did not even see the back seats or trunk, maybe about 10 seconds of hood time, no mention of headspace, or all the buttons to the screen and climate controls. no mention of the spare tire availability, no view of the backup camera situation. all of this missing content for a 26-minute video. iv watched half a dozen other video reviews that covered twice as much content in half the time while covering many important and beneficial points that this vehicle seems to have. it doesn't seem to be the best in anything and it doesn't need to be at its very low price. but it does do everything very well for its price bracket, even beating many higher-priced cars in allot of these areas.
Tha eyesight system is definitely a deal breaker. Unfortunate
Assuming it's like the previous generation, you can turn any piece of Eyesight off that you want. In my 2016, I have lane departure warning off
lets be honest people are just gonna buy the wrx if they want a awd Subaru
Use to watch this channel all the time but you basically stopped reviewing cars completely and only review manufacturer loaned cars
The subaru looks decent...for about 5-10 years ago. I feel like their designs, interior and exterior, are always a generation or two back. It's kinda boring. They'll catch up but it'll take them a while, and by that time the competitors have moved on, the industry will have moved on
This one looks a ton like the outgoing sonata
Wow. Is it just me. Isn't the styling 90s 00s 10s hardly 2020. Am I wrong???? It looks like so many other cars out in last 15 years..... cannot quite put my finger on it. Really shocked.
Agree. Looks like an accord or camry from generations back.
10:17
Looks like a camry from the side with accord wheels🥴🥴
Grandmoms car
This should have at least 5k views already! Just put Doug Demuro in the title
Haha I’m glad you think so! Wish more people felt the same 😕
4:43 the reason why this car isn't worth the time
Exactly. It's very common with most cars. Ive driven a VW Tiguan recently and hated it just because of that.
The reason wy i would buy it. Relaxed
CVT NOPE
So well reasoned.
Another endless money pit review!
Scotty Kilmer sucks!
Haven’t had anyone offer a Toyota Celica, sorry.
@@MattMaranMotoring man I wish I had a Celica, I wanted you to review one long ago or a Mazda 2
Sooooooo, Beth didn't make the 2nd video? Awkward......
The plan is for her to just weigh in on the interiors for now. She honestly doesn’t have many opinions as a passenger beyond the interior, I asked.
@@MattMaranMotoring Oh, so now you are speaking for her.... ouch.... I hope you have a nice couch.... (Honestly though, I wound't frame her opinion as a "woman's" opinion. That's pretty sexist. It would be far better to frame her opinion as a "non-car enthusiast" or an "everyday driver" - that is, if she's not into cars like you.).
I’m not speaking for her, we discussed our plan at great length and came up with it together. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with labeling her opinion as a female perspective. Saying she’s just an “everyday driver” discounts what insight she can bring. While there’s a few female car reviewers on RUclips, it’s mostly a male-dominated space, which is crazy since over 50% of car buying decisions are made by women. I’m not just bringing in a “second opinion” by having Beth in the videos, I’m trying to better serve female car shoppers.
@@MattMaranMotoring Well said.
@@MattMaranMotoring Let this hater hate. Your wife did an amazing job in the video, and I think she should stay in the videos.
I agree with you on the ride height. These are family mid sized sedans why are companies trying to make them lower? They should be more like the legacy and then the sport trim can be an inch or two lower. Taller roofs are also great for interior space and outward visibility.