Praying with folded vs. unfolded arms | General Q&A
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I am a Maliki and pray with hands to my side
This is completely true. Non-muslim professors of history have even reported this. I’ve heard from 3 different professors
agree about imam malik and even today his followers dont fold hands during salah. i wont say that those who do it wrong as that's their beleive and i respect them. but i personally dont fold hands though i am sunni and i aint follower of imam malik. i just found it more natural form of prayering salah.
Adi Khan Same, I'm Hanafi and I do sadl.
Adi Khan are you shafi? I believe imam shafi said it was optional to pray either qabd or sadl. It wasn't a big deal for him
No "Sunni" madhhab categorises the placement of one's hands as anything heavier than Sunnah. A given school may have a preference for one over the others, but there's proof for them all so none of them are wajibat that have any effect on the salah. Like I said, I'm Hanafi (where the preferred Sunnah is qabd of the hands below the navel), but I do sadl and that has no effect whatsoever on my salah. We also have the option of raising the finger in tashahhud or letting it rest.
But I think what you said about Imam ash-Shafi`i's position is correct (he was originally a Maliki).
Ian Khan its true . in the first place sunni never mention in holy quran
Wth imam malik and the other student were the one who changed the salah lemme ask you this, why is the sunni prayer look exactly like the jewish prayer maybe because imam malik and the other student change the prayer, the nabi muhammed peace be upon him and his family said to follow the ahlul bayt so that mean the shias are correct
Thank you Sheikh!!
Ma'shaAllah! Shukraan for making this clear. And yes it is true.
Mashallah...mashallah
I pray God may bring this Shia Muslims to right path may God help them may Allah guide them to the right path
Non muslims also doing sajada
So muslim cannot doo
Masha Allah may God bless you.
Ma SHA ALLAH
JAZAKALLAH KHAIR
salam sheikh, I just wanna ask, is it true al imam as syafie rmh, a true follower of the ahlul bait as, after he met AS Syaidah Nafisa as? if true, is there any reference to this . tq
wildan haroun Imam shafi supported the alids (descendants of Ali). Imam Malik was also accused of that. Imam Malik and Imam Abu Hanifa were also taught by imam jafar as siddiq
Why do most (not all but majority) Sunni hates Shia? They even love the other religions than Shia Muslims?
They feel threatened from the truth, so they spread lies and hate
After the 3rd min the Shi'i doesn't quote Imam Malik properly. Ibn al-Qasim says in Al-Mudawwana (1/111):
“…Malik said about placing the
right hand over the left during
Salat. He said: “I don’t know (of)
that in the obligatory (prayer).”
And he used to dislike it.
“However, in voluntary prayers
(nawafil), when the standing is
extended, there is no harm in that
(for one who doesn’t) support
himself by it.”…. So Imam Malik did allow folding the hands in Nawafil
Why the olema of maliki sect always open their hands
Most malikis in my experience don't pray sadl anymore due to people acccusing them of being Shia. May Allah guide the ummah
The Stealth as a Maliki I pray sadl', I do get funny looks from people, but as a British convert I used to get funny looks from people even when I used to fold my hands. So... Just goes to show there's no point trying to please people.
Do they ask you questions about your sadl prayer?
There is no sunni or shia, both are a lie, Allah never mentioned that He created muslim into parts. Theres only one label for us that is “Muslim” not sunni or shia
Folding hands and not doing Rafayadain have provided opportunity to Munafiqeen Bhuddist for keeping Idols hidden in their arms!
Go Check hadis sahi bhukari 740
ഇത്തരം കരൃങ്ങള് മുന്നേ നമ്മുക് വ്യക്തമായി പറഞ്ഞുതന്നത് ശേകന്നുർ മൗലവിയാണ് .. സത്യം മുസ്ലിം സമൂഹം അറിയരുതെന്ന് താല്പര്യമുള്ളവർ ആണ് അദ്ദേഹത്തെ വകവരുത്തിയത് .
I've never heard of the Persian prisoner of war matter before, but Allah knows best. I follow the teachings of Imam Malik, I have his Al-Muwatta, it does mention some Muslims prayed with their hands folded, but it is a statement and not a direct word from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his family. The Persian theory may be right, every other hadith collector (other than Imam Malik, who was Medinan) was Persian and every other hadith collector other than Imam Malik excessively mentioned folding the hands. It's a matter of differing opinion, so whoever chooses to do it, that is there choice. I used to do it, but after looking into the Maliki maddhab I stopped.
Khalil Abdullah Mahdi why follow an imam? Why not the prophet PBUH hinself?
Hamza Randhawa how can one follow the Prophet, peace be upon him, without following the teachings of one of the maddhabs? In them you find the sunnah. At no point did I say I don't follow the Prophet, as that would not make me a Muslim, I said I follow the teachings of Imam Malik as written in Al Muwatta, his compilation of hadiths.
There is no books it’s simply the Quran anonymous simultaneous no one is proving anyone wrong.you?you separate Muslims from each other aren’t Sunnis Muslim and nothing’s funny.our books?what books,it’s only the quran
Have forgotten to mention radiallahu taala anhu after Abu "Bakr" and "Omar"? Or is this an intentional insult.
Ashik Iqbal ...you forgot them..that is how they disrespect prophet´s companions
@@abdulkawooya2959 not all companions deserve respect..
At the beginning the Shia claimed something from Umar ibn al Khattab (ra) - where is the reference for this narration?
Hussain Ahmed i dont get what u mean explain
@@aliewareei7687 Listen from 1 min to 1:45 in - where did he get this story of Umar saying to those folk to keep their hands folded in Salah?I want to see a full reference with an authentic chain of transmission.
Hussain Ahmed but why the sunnis pray like jews
@@aliewareei7687 We pray according to the Salah of the Prophet - sallallahu alaihi wa sallam. This is according to the report narrated by Ahmad and Muslim from Wa’il ibn Hujr (may Allah be pleased with him), that he saw the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) raising his hands and saying takbeer when he started to pray, then he wrapped his cloak around himself, then he placed his right hand on his left. When he wanted to bow, he brought out his hands, then he raised them and said takbeer, then he bowed. When he said “Sami’a Allaahu liman hamidah (Allaah hears the one who praises Him)” he raised his hands, and when he prostrated, he prostrated between his hands.” According to a report narrated by Ahmad and Abu Dawud he said: Then he placed his right hand on his left hand, wrist and forearm. According to a report narrated by Abu Hazim from Sahl ibn Sa’d al-Saa’idi: The people were commanded to place the right hand on the left forearm when praying. Abu Haazim said: All I know is that he attributed it to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Narrated by Ahmad and al-Bukhari.
There is no authentic hadeih to prove that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) let his arms hang by his sides when standing during prayer. More proofs in Arabic - archive.org/download/DirhamAlSurraHandsUnderTheNavelHashimAlSindi/Dirham%20al%20Surra_hands%20under%20the%20navel_Hashim%20al%20Sindi.pdf
You lied when you said Abu Zar al-Ghifari is the follower of Ali.Abu Zar al-Ghifari died during the time of Usman.When did Abu Zar al-Ghifari followed Ali?
Are you in your senses? Rasulallah lived in the time of mushriks does that make him a mushrik astaghfirullah? So what if he died during the time when usman was alive. How in any way does that not make him a follower of imam ali?
There has been sects before the prophet died because they had groups of armies and sects will always be till the end but sects is section from a whole which performs certain functions but all functions as a whole...they either would differ to agree or differ to disagree...so even he died during or after umar is irrelevant coz he might have loved ali more or less or neutral
Ofcouse in era of khalifa Imam Ali he already died. Its means following Ali after rasulullah wafat. If u are sunni i just said abu dzar supporting and followig as friendship . When Abu dzar have conflict with usthman. Only ahlul bayt supporting he and also sertence of friends
mxhsvn _b786 yes, but the Shia were not a defined group until the words “Shia” was used to describe Muslims, which was during the civil wars many decades after the prophet SAWS.
If you claim that Shia existed when Abu Bakr was alive, then... they followed Ali is making Bayah to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman! So Shiism is allegiance to them!
Or, do you claim that Ali gave bayah in secret, or because of lying? If so, we did he marry his daughters to them, and marry into their families himself? Why did he serve them and work to support them? Why did he send his children to defend Uthman? Why did he negotiate with people on Khilafah, to which he had a divine right (apparently?!)?
Shall I tell you? Because he was as far from the Shia and Shiism as Christianity is from Jesus and his mother (AS).
but the ranks are like angels.and how can you get your deeds if you folding your hands.no companions are mentioned Qur'anic.3:33,6;84-90,17:77,33:62,33:34
Actually jews do not pray with their hands clasped. I have personally seen and know jews that say either way is ok but they usually pray with their hands to their sides. As for imam Malik rh, he prayed with his hands on his side's because he said he only saw the people of marina do so and not pray with hands clasped
No Hadith? Then what are these... “[The Prophet] (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to place his right hand on his left hand.” (Narrated by Muslim, 401)... The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) passed by a man who was praying, and who had placed his left hand on his right hand. He grabbed his arms and put his right hand on his left.” (Ahmad, no. 12671)... It was narrated from Waa’il ibn Hajar that he saw the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) raise his hands when he started to pray and say Takbeer, and according to Hammaam he raised his hands level with his ears. Then he wrapped his hands in his garment, putting his right hand on his left. When he wanted to bow in rukoo’ he took his hands from beneath his garment, raised them, then said Takbeer and bowed. When he said “Sami’a Allaah liman hamidah,” he raised his hands, and when he prostrated, he prostrated between his two hands.” (Narrated by Muslim, 401). .. It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “We Prophets have been commanded to hasten the breaking of our fast and to delay our suhoor, and to put our right hands over our left when praying.” (Narrated by Ibn Hibbaan, 3/13. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Sifat al-Salaah, p. 87)... & others. This man is sick and makes Fitna! Shi'ah community must prevent him because he puts all Shi'ah into big embarrassments.
Just Curious fabricated! Where in Quran is it mentioned to fold your hands? Give me one Ayah it’s a challenge. It’s unanimously agreed that any hadeeth which is not in accordance to the Holy Quran should be thrown on the wall. Now in the light of Quran there are 5 Ayahs in reference to open hands-
1. Surah Al Araf, verse 29 “My Lord hath commanded justice; and that ye set your whole selves (to Him) at every time and place of prayer, and call upon Him, making your devotion sincere as in His sight: SUCH AS HE CREATED YOU IN THE BEGINNING, so shall ye return.”
Every human that was born since day one came into this world with his hands on the sides not folded.
2. Surah At Toubah, verse 67
“The hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other: They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, AND ARE CLOSE WITH THEIR HANDS. They have forgotten Allah; so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.”
No need to clarify anything about this verse since it’s very clear.
3. Surah Al Nisa, verse 102
“ And when thou (O Muhammad) art among them and arrangest (their) worship for them, let only a party of them stand with thee (to worship) and LET THEM TAKE THEIR ARMS. Then when they have performed their prostrations let them fall to the rear and let another party come that hath not worshiped and let them worship with thee, and LET THEM TAKE THEIR PRECAUTION AND THEIR ARMS. Those who disbelieve long for you to neglect your arms and your baggage that they may attack you once for all. IT IS NO SIN FOR YOU TO LAY ASIDE YOUR ARMS; if rain impedeth you or ye are sick. But take your precaution. Lo! Allah prepareth for the disbelievers shameful punishment.”
How clear is that again! The first and the second part of the verse says it all.
4. Surah Al Maidah, verse 64
“And the Jews have said: The hand of Allah is TIED UP! and cursed be they for what they have said. Nay, both His hands (of Power) are (always) SPREAD OUT. He bestows as He pleases. And what has been sent down to you from your Lord will certainly increase many of them in insolence and infidelity; and We have cast enmity and hatred between them till the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindle a fire for war, Allah extinguishes it. They strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief makers.”
See the difference between tied up and spread out. Metaphorically the bad and good of both conditions.
5. Surah Al Noor, verse 41
“Have you not seen that unto Allah glorifies whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, AND THE BIRDS WITH WINGS OUTSPREAD (in their flight)? Each one knows its own (mode of) prayer and praise. And Allah is Aware of what they do.
The notion here is to show how birds praise Allah swt with wings open. Not closed.
And if you still believe in the Ahadeeth then I guess the prophet I and you follow are of different types. Coz my Prophet saws follows what is decreed by Allah swt. Period
Was Salam
@@hasanbilgrami5735 The problem with you people is that your giving more importance to the words of your Imams than the words of nabi Muhammad (Peace be upon him & his Ahl bayt) Im sure your aware as well that not all acts of worship stated in full details in the Qur'an like Zuhr, Asr & Isha as 4 Rakah's? Maghrib 3 Rakah's & Fajr 2 Rakahs? Does that mean that since not mentioned the number of Rakah's in the Qur'an makes our Salah invalid? Similarly the way you people crying "Ya Hussein" etc. or flogging & cutting your selves during Ashura? The whole names of your 12 Imams? prostrating to baked clay? Show me if these are mentioned in the Qur'an?
@@hasanbilgrami5735 All of your so-called basis to prove your arguments are non-sense and far far away from the real meaning of each Ayah's..
In Surah A'raf you emphasized the new born with their hands unfolded? Ok, I will catch up the bus.. in your childish level.. Maybe you ignore the fact that Baby known to fold their hands during pregnancy as verse is talking about "SUCH AS HE CREATED YOU IN THE BEGINNING" and life start in a womb and not after birth.
In Surah Taubah you refer to the Munafiq who "ARE CLOSE WITH THEIR HANDS" and unashamedly point to praying with "Folding hands"? Even with your opinions which is very far away, let me ask you these; What about flogging bodies or slapping faces or striking chest? Isn't that the way of Catholics during their Holy week? By the way your mocking the True Muslims folding their hands during Salah, why don't you stand close to the Christians when they pray since they pray with hands unfolded as well?
In Surah Nisaa you refer to arms as "Arms"? Please I know you know English better than I do and that's clearly not talking about human arms? but since you put it that way try pray during dangerous time of battle with arms pointing downward? I wonder what will your elements or comrades think? The word "IT IS NO SIN FOR YOU TO LAY ASIDE YOUR ARMS;" is not talking about human arms. Please do not deceive true Muslims.
In Surah Al-Maidah you talk about the Jewish allegations that Allah's HANDS is tied up and you mentioned metaphorically as bad and SPREAD OUT as good? Remember that is statements from the Jews... and who is closer to the Jews in numbers (between 3 - 5) of daily prayers?
And lastly in Surah Nur about the birds with wings OUTSPREAD? Well I know for sure that this Ayat required proper time to explain but I'm sure you will screw it the way you like it. As for a childish thinker like you why don't you pray with hands OUTSPREAD like the bird and guest what you look like? That's the reason we don't interpret the Qur'an base on our own will but with authentic and reliable sources.
@@justcurious4617 I'm not getting into the debate between you and brother Bilgrami here. Just to clarify a simple point: all Ahadith that are attributed to the Aimmah (عليهم السلام ) are connected to the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله) through the chain of Imamate as is stated by Imam Muhammad bin Ali Al Baqir (عليه السلام) in Kitab Al Kafi.
To state that the Shi'a stress more on the words of the Imams (عليهم السلام) than the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله) is as naïve as to state that the Sunni give more importance to Abu Horeirah than the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله) simply because his name appears most as the narrator.
Hasan Bilgrami where in quran it says how many rakah to pray?
Uh... it's reported in the Musnad of Imām Zayd `alayhi salām (the first and best hadīth scientist) that Imām `Alī `alayhi salām reported that (among other things) qabd with hands below the navel was a sunnah of prophets.
Kind of embarrassing, saying it's nothing more than a Zoroastrian-inspired innovation.
Rasheed Gillespie source of the hadith please?
Fuad Ayodeji I said in my original comment... Musnad Imām Zayd (`alayhi salām). It's under the bāb al-iftār.
Rasheed Gillespie is it a weak Hadith? I'm genuinely curious
It's funny to see Sunnis trying to prove themselves right from their own books which makes the least sense because why would we believe in your books? If you can prove us wrong from our books feel free to do so because that's what we do.
@Pourya you are misguided about the shia, most of your sheyhk say that we curse the sahaba when we dont
@Pourya tell your sunni sheikh and your people to stop lying about shias and to stop killing them in saudi arabia, also in saudi arabia wahbbi block the shia azan and also killed the shia
@Pourya says the one who watch assim al hakeem stop trying to run away, you know the shias are correct in the sahih muslim its say they will be 12 imam after me
@Pourya lol so you would like to be misguided okie, btw can i watch a video of abu lulu and omar Dancing as best friends?
@Pourya says the one who started the drama why wont you stop lying about the shia
very very good sunni is like yahoodi salat
putting hands on chest in salah is in accordance with the sunnah
Yes it was narrated from Sahabas of Prophet..
So is above the navel. So is below the navel. So is leaving them at the sides.
Sulaymaan Qureshi both is allowed. Imam malik prayed with his hands on the side
Nope then how come the sunni prayer look exactly like the jewish prayer and some of the statues in mecca before nabi muhammed pbuh prophethood were folding their hands
U r misleading people's...
Please stop these speaches
If u cant quote any hadith...
Without any proof ur speachea r null and void...
ruclips.net/video/0aHWASyMjwg/видео.html
Demonstration of Jewish prayer
ruclips.net/video/XgFA5UonqyU/видео.html.
Not reciting verse 1 is also a corruption!
shia do recite verse one
Liars 😡
No reference from the Quran or hadith... This imam states a very weak argument, and accuses Umar ibn Khatab of bringing bidah into Islam... SMH wheres your evidence
Abbasid Theologian oh trust me there is very much evidence
In Sahih al Bulkhari
It’s mentions all of it
It also mentions that Fatima bint Muhammad SAW died angry at abu baker
So why should we say Radhi Allah anhum
LANNAT ALLAH ALA UMAR AND ABU BAKR AND OTHMAN
Kermit De Frog it is wrong to curse sahaba. We may not follow them but they were still companions of the prophet
Kermit De Frog like a typical Shia, you’ve read some nonsense from your lying scholars and adopting as golden truth.
Read the Hadith from Bukhari- Abu Bakr withheld the Fadak because it was the prophet SAWS order to give to charity, but he still let Ahlul Bayt earn from it.
Did Fatima disagree? Sure, but that’s reasons are clear and truthful, as is the brotherhood between if you read it.
Shiism is a total pack of lies and they use this to make you angry, emotional and gullible. You then meet me and are unable to listen because you’ve been convinced that anyone who disagrees with these fairytales is an ENEMY!!!
No, we aren’t, and you’ve been deceived.
SAY THE CHAP AND VERSE DON'T TALK ANYTHING
Lol misguided muslim first of all the holy quran doesnt talk about salah and azan its only talks about wudu and the shia wudu is the correct way second of all since the quran doesnt talk about the prayer and azan then we have to look at the sunnah (ps which is the ahlul bayt but you sunni dont believe in it) so in order to find the sunnah we have to check the hadith and in your sunni hadith the shias are correct
Need proof?
@@bazzsam8308 yeah
this guy has no knowledge.
your own mullahs are just blind followers of umar bin khattab and other rulers, and to justify there act you keep it doing considering it as true religious practice
Because you don't accept truth .my brother if u follow three khalifs after prophet saws this is result
Nah man in your sahih book prophet muhammed said they will be 12 imam after me
Thts why he is shia