Beautiful work John. Gate valves have their place. They are less expensive to build and as you said they will last a long time. Cities use them for the buried valves in the water mains. Who wants to dig up and replace the seat in a globe valve? When I was Maintenance Manager at the United Technologies plant in Coldwater I had a problem with the water mains. The building was put up in 1950 and then an addition was put on for the Homogenizing Oven they built the building over the buried shut off valve that was suppose to be outside the building footprint. The city tried to turn off the mains but it wouldn't close. I ended up contacting the city and they hired a contractor to close the valves up the block. That closed off the whole industrial park. Gate valves tend to collect debris in the groove under the gate. The debris blocks the gate from closing. The way to solve the problem was given to me by the contractor. If the valve is closed and opened the debris fills the groove. The gate can't close but often the operator just tries harder and ends up deforming the seal surfaces or breaking the shaft that operates the valve. The proper way is to open the valve. When closing it again close it partway and then open it again. Do this several times closing the valve a little further each time. The restricted flow past the partially closed gate flushes out the groove and all that nasty looking sediment that we saw in the pipe gets flushed down stream. It's called exercising the valve. PS. If the valve you are exercising is the main for your house. That debris goes right to whatever line is opened next. To avoid problems open a garden hose silcock and let the junk go on the ground instead of into the sink faucet aerator or your refrigerators icemaker. 😁😎
I love cut aways. My father told me about a museum in Germany that had an entire train cut in half. I agree, quarter turn valves are great. However, most folks forget about water hammer. A quarter turn will stop the water instantly leading to tremendous forces that could blow pipes apart. Gate valves are good because they are slow to operate, thus reducing the water hammer. I had a contractor slam a 10 inch quarter turn valve shut it was inside a building about a quarter mile from a 2.5 million gallon tank. I cannot emphasize how lucky we were that the valve didn't just fly off and fill the building. Great stuff. Cheers
Beautiful cut-away restoration, I love that blue handle too. Which reminds me; A well know tool restorer goes to the Dr and the Doc asks; "What seems to be the problem?" "Doc, I love sausages, I really do!" Our man replies, "Well, John," the Doc replies, "there's nothing wrong with that. In fact I love sausages too," John replies, "Well in that case you must come and see my collection. . . I've got hundreds!"
Wow! I delivered Pipe-Valves and Fittings for 18 years, even that huge valve you had a picture of and that is the most beautiful valve I have ever seen.. Awesome job
That was a beautiful project as always! Scoutcrafter is one of the few RUclipsrs that I hit the thumbs up before I watch the video. At 71 YOA, I always learn something from every video. Thanks, John for the content!
John great video. I totally love a cut - away. We use a lot of gate valves for heating mostly steam, hot water. Domestic water we use a lot of quarter turn and butterfly valves. My favorite valve has gotta be a globe valve we have some at work that are up to 30" in diameter. But I think you're right the worst valves in the world are those cheap plastic shut off valves for sinks and toilets.
I work for a plumbers merchant and I can tell you lots of plumbers hate Gate valves, they always seize when they trying to drain down etc, but they keep on buying and installing them I guess its all down to cost. Quarter turn lever valves rarely ever fail even after years of never being used they just work.
I think if you did not do the cut away you could sell for new. That valve popped! Now that could be another challenge to your viewers or your family followers. Your pride in workmanship over flowed. Thank You
That cut-away is so cool, I used to love the books we had as kids that showed cut-aways of everything from the Human body to a Car Engine to Hovercraft, to the Space Shuttle, I could look at those for hours ! Gate valves and stop-cocks are a nightmare and so prone to sticking over time, there is a regulation here in the UK insisting on the use of a stop-cock on the water supply, but every time you want to turn them off you end up with a leak it seems. I asked my heating engineer if he would fit a 1/4 turn valve in it's place, he explained that he could not but fitted one downstream of the stop-cock so I now have an easy mains on/off for maintenance purposes and never need to turn off the stopcock !
Very nice job on the cutaway. I've got a lot of gate valves in my place but never saw the actual internal parts working. Now you need a stand and it will be a nice embellishment for your living room!
Always love seeing how things operate...i like the mechanical type as opposed to electronics like itty-bitty capasitors and circuit board widgets...😵💫 give me something i can chew on any day...🖖
That looks awesome! Reminds me of those cool displays in the old time hardware stores. I have my screwdriver entry ready. It’s not the best, but we had fun making it.
Very cool display piece. I have a gate valve on my water main coming into the house. We have hard water here and it's always hard to shut off and open again. If I ever have to change my water meter I'll replace the gate with a ball valve.
Great 10 minutes!! I miss the earlier days of RUclips. Seems so much has changed even since I got introduced to your channel, around the time of that first garden prunes you did.
Alex- The last 4 years they have really been trying to screw up the world. The good thing is people are waking up and realizing what a sham it is. I’m so glad I didn’t drink the Kool-Aid! 😂👍
I was looking forward to this tutorial and I think the gate valve looks great! I especially like the milling segment and the polished areas look fantastic. Just excellent work. Thanks for sharing this.
typically when closing a gate valve you back it off a 1/4 turn or so, also seen the smaller sizes (2" or less) gates installed upside down so sediment keeps out of the gateway when closing...thxs for sharing...
Hey ScoutCrafter , Six weeks ago I had never even heard of a Starrett cable cutter! But because of YOU and E-bay , I now own 2 !!!!!!!!!! It is all your fault! poor in Nebraska Phil
What kind of maniac doesn't like gate valves? Gate valves are designed to throttle down or slow down the flow. 1/4 turn valves, sometimes called ball valves, are designed to be either all the way open or all the way closed. Both have their strengths. Have a Jesus filled day everyone Greg in Michigan
Somebody does make actual good quality Chromed brass angle stops for toilets and sinks, that are 1/4 turn ball valves. Whenever I do a remodel I like to change out all old angle stops. They usually are toast by the age of 40.
Yes- I’ve seen them. The absolute worst junk is sold in home centers. Most decent plumbers will buy from plumbing supply houses that don’t carry such junk. 😂👍
That cutaway looks fantastic great job I do have a question about the plumbing when you combine the brass valve with the metal pipe doesn't that create electrolysis in the pipe and erode the pipe quicker?
Yes! When dissimilar metals are joined together galvanic corrosion can wreak havoc on the pipes. Usually a dielectric coupling is used between the different pipes to act as a buffer between the two. 😃👍
@@akoznasovajusername I work in old buildings and they never work because they haven't been used in years and occasionally. One will break and then you got big problems.
The cut-away valve looks great! I knew there was gonna be some red involved....
You have created a Bill Gate valve. That's rich.
Beautiful work John.
Gate valves have their place. They are less expensive to build and as you said they will last a long time.
Cities use them for the buried valves in the water mains. Who wants to dig up and replace the seat in a globe valve?
When I was Maintenance Manager at the United Technologies plant in Coldwater I had a problem with the water mains. The building was put up in 1950 and then an addition was put on for the Homogenizing Oven they built the building over the buried shut off valve that was suppose to be outside the building footprint.
The city tried to turn off the mains but it wouldn't close.
I ended up contacting the city and they hired a contractor to close the valves up the block. That closed off the whole industrial park.
Gate valves tend to collect debris in the groove under the gate. The debris blocks the gate from closing. The way to solve the problem was given to me by the contractor.
If the valve is closed and opened the debris fills the groove. The gate can't close but often the operator just tries harder and ends up deforming the seal surfaces or breaking the shaft that operates the valve.
The proper way is to open the valve. When closing it again close it partway and then open it again. Do this several times closing the valve a little further each time. The restricted flow past the partially closed gate flushes out the groove and all that nasty looking sediment that we saw in the pipe gets flushed down stream. It's called exercising the valve.
PS. If the valve you are exercising is the main for your house. That debris goes right to whatever line is opened next. To avoid problems open a garden hose silcock and let the junk go on the ground instead of into the sink faucet aerator or your refrigerators icemaker. 😁😎
Good tips Dave!
Best 10 minutes I spent all day.
You are an artist. I think we all agree, you can make long videos and we will watch. What kind of maniac does not like to polish his facets.
I'm voting for more cutaway projects, at least 1 or 2 per year for sure.
Holy plumbing batman! A 4 foot aluminum pipe wrench and a cut-away gate valve all cleaned up and sparkly. Quite the episode, thanks John!
I love cut aways. My father told me about a museum in Germany that had an entire train cut in half. I agree, quarter turn valves are great. However, most folks forget about water hammer. A quarter turn will stop the water instantly leading to tremendous forces that could blow pipes apart. Gate valves are good because they are slow to operate, thus reducing the water hammer. I had a contractor slam a 10 inch quarter turn valve shut it was inside a building about a quarter mile from a 2.5 million gallon tank. I cannot emphasize how lucky we were that the valve didn't just fly off and fill the building. Great stuff. Cheers
Outstanding, Scout! You've outdone yourself again. I agree, that is exactly you would see in a hardware store. 👍
ScoutCrafter,
Your project was reminiscent of the cutaway drawing of a globe valve we did in high school drafting.
Bob
I love cutaways , yours came out great.
Do more of them.
Beautiful cut-away restoration, I love that blue handle too. Which reminds me;
A well know tool restorer goes to the Dr and the Doc asks;
"What seems to be the problem?"
"Doc, I love sausages, I really do!" Our man replies,
"Well, John," the Doc replies, "there's nothing wrong with that. In fact I love sausages too,"
John replies, "Well in that case you must come and see my collection. . . I've got hundreds!"
That thing looks really fantastic! Great Job! I'm always amazed at how junk can really be made to look like treasure!
Wow! I delivered Pipe-Valves and Fittings for 18 years, even that huge valve you had a picture of and that is the most beautiful valve I have ever seen.. Awesome job
I love the cut-away. Cleaned up really well. Nice touch with the bit of Scoutcrafter red.
Well done.
Dave.
Wow! What a great display piece. It also cleaned up very nice. Thanks again and see you Friday!
That was a beautiful project as always! Scoutcrafter is one of the few RUclipsrs that I hit the thumbs up before I watch the video. At 71 YOA, I always learn something from every video. Thanks, John for the content!
That was fascinating. I love seeing how things work and your cut-away was a perfect way to show how.
I love any kind of cut-aways. That is awesome. Oh the branch is gone next door, I lost bet.
John great video. I totally love a cut - away. We use a lot of gate valves for heating mostly steam, hot water. Domestic water we use a lot of quarter turn and butterfly valves. My favorite valve has gotta be a globe valve we have some at work that are up to 30" in diameter. But I think you're right the worst valves in the world are those cheap plastic shut off valves for sinks and toilets.
Thanks George!!! 😂👍
Down here in Pt St Lucie Fl, the terrible city water will dissolve the gate!
Beautiful job, great video
I live in Stuart, FL. you can't even wash your car with the city water without it covered with white.
I work for a plumbers merchant and I can tell you lots of plumbers hate Gate valves, they always seize when they trying to drain down etc, but they keep on buying and installing them I guess its all down to cost. Quarter turn lever valves rarely ever fail even after years of never being used they just work.
I think if you operate them three times a year you should be good but some of my valves haven’t been opened in 20 years! 🫣😂👍
I think if you did not do the cut away you could sell for new. That valve popped! Now that could be another challenge to your viewers or your family followers. Your pride in workmanship over flowed. Thank You
Thanks Jess!
That cut-away is so cool, I used to love the books we had as kids that showed cut-aways of everything from the Human body to a Car Engine to Hovercraft, to the Space Shuttle, I could look at those for hours !
Gate valves and stop-cocks are a nightmare and so prone to sticking over time, there is a regulation here in the UK insisting on the use of a stop-cock on the water supply, but every time you want to turn them off you end up with a leak it seems. I asked my heating engineer if he would fit a 1/4 turn valve in it's place, he explained that he could not but fitted one downstream of the stop-cock so I now have an easy mains on/off for maintenance purposes and never need to turn off the stopcock !
Andy- The city came to install water meters and added two lovely 1/4 turn valves inline. What a dream! 😃👍
Scoutcrafter: Awesome job on the gate valve!
And what kinda maniac doesn't have a cutaway gate valve in his man cave?
Now I need one!
Brilliant Mate!! Would look great on some kinda ScoutCrafter mount to display it eh!!☻
Very nice job on the cutaway. I've got a lot of gate valves in my place but never saw the actual internal parts working. Now you need a stand and it will be a nice embellishment for your living room!
Hey !John vraiment une belle idée de découper une valve pour voir le fonctionnement intérieur, c'est vraiment génial. ❤
Always love seeing how things operate...i like the mechanical type as opposed to electronics like itty-bitty capasitors and circuit board widgets...😵💫 give me something i can chew on any day...🖖
I had to explain the difference between a gate valve and a ball valve at work last week. I'll have to do this. Thanks for sharing!
It’s nice to have it in front of you’re eyes. Nice job.
Coolest dollar ever spent...and a lot healthier than a candybar...if you can find one for $1!
Great show, ScoutCrafter, I am intrigued by cutaways. So interesting. I've never seen the inside of a gate valve; now I know.
Thanks for the lesson.
That looks awesome! Reminds me of those cool displays in the old time hardware stores. I have my screwdriver entry ready. It’s not the best, but we had fun making it.
😃👍
Very cool display piece. I have a gate valve on my water main coming into the house. We have hard water here and it's always hard to shut off and open again. If I ever have to change my water meter I'll replace the gate with a ball valve.
Yes- the City did it here years back and it’s wonderful!
Great job on the valve and great explanation of its operation. Definitely worth $1.
Great job John. Way better than computer graphic. Get hands on.
Great 10 minutes!! I miss the earlier days of RUclips. Seems so much has changed even since I got introduced to your channel, around the time of that first garden prunes you did.
Alex- The last 4 years they have really been trying to screw up the world. The good thing is people are waking up and realizing what a sham it is. I’m so glad I didn’t drink the Kool-Aid! 😂👍
I was looking forward to this tutorial and I think the gate valve looks great! I especially like the milling segment and the polished areas look fantastic. Just excellent work. Thanks for sharing this.
YES we want to see your collection valve handles…🙏🙏🙏
Do I predict a future cut-a-way challenge???
Valve handle collection! Let's see! Let's see!🇨🇦
Oh my God, you wrecked that nice gate valve now it’s going to leak! It probably was American made!
You do amazing work, my friend
typically when closing a gate valve you back it off a 1/4 turn or so, also seen the smaller sizes (2" or less) gates installed upside down so sediment keeps out of the gateway when closing...thxs for sharing...
Ball valves much better and easier then wheel valves.
What a neat idea. That is a really cool piece - thanks for posting this. That valve looks great and really helps to understand how they work.
great little project!
Another great video. The cut way was interesting. You sure signed up that valve.
Hey ScoutCrafter , Six weeks ago I had never even heard of a Starrett cable cutter! But because of YOU and E-bay , I now own 2 !!!!!!!!!! It is all your fault!
poor in Nebraska
Phil
Like a miniature guillotine! 😂👍
Fantastic job!
That turned out sweet! Great project Mr. John!!
That turned out great I love cutaway especially engine's
Great job as always thanks
I loved the video. Can't go wrong with the ScoutC red!
Just plain cool. Thanks. Wayne out West (Colorado)
Yeah we definitely want to see your collection
That looked like a fun little project, interesting too!
Outstanding visual aid now
Thats cool id love to see your collection of plunbing handles
Men i Love your videos i been in your channel s8nce long times and this is something diferent and interesting John thanks for share
Thanks so much John!
Just amazing! Never cease to disappoint.
Valve looks great
Look at that! Nice work John!
Looks super!
Great stuff. I love cut-aways.
Great video!! Maybe one of your best!? Completely enjoyed the process and the final result. 👍🏼👏🏼🙌🏼
Great little project.
Looks great, very good conversation piece.
Wow, that really cleaned up nice!
Wow that is really awesome 👏
Really like that idea, it came out great too. Often thought I'd like to do something similar but I have too many ideas and not enough time! 😁
Great little project 🔧👍😊
Now how cool is that gateway valve!
Awesome work John! Thank You for sharing
You ALWAYS make me laugh with the stuff you DEEM 'KOOL AND THE GANG'! HA!!!!!
John, nice gate valve cut away. How is the house searching going? Have you thought about Jersey? lol.. Remember when Archie said that it to meathead?
Many of those Gate Valves in the oilfield industry and some are big.
Needs a ScoutCrafter red valve handle. Maybe cherry red candy coat!! Now that screams ScoutCrafter lol😂
What kind of maniac doesn't like gate valves?
Gate valves are designed to throttle down or slow down the flow.
1/4 turn valves, sometimes called ball valves, are designed to be either all the way open or all the way closed.
Both have their strengths.
Have a Jesus filled day everyone
Greg in Michigan
Awesome job.
Great job! Beautiful work
Fantastic job..
Somebody does make actual good quality Chromed brass angle stops for toilets and sinks, that are 1/4 turn ball valves. Whenever I do a remodel I like to change out all old angle stops. They usually are toast by the age of 40.
Yes- I’ve seen them. The absolute worst junk is sold in home centers. Most decent plumbers will buy from plumbing supply houses that don’t carry such junk. 😂👍
That was great!
Love it.
Awesome!
So cool!
WOW....That's COOL.
hello john hope all is well with you
that dose look great john
nice job 👍👌😁🍁🇨🇦
Gotcha
That cutaway looks fantastic great job I do have a question about the plumbing when you combine the brass valve with the metal pipe doesn't that create electrolysis in the pipe and erode the pipe quicker?
Yes! When dissimilar metals are joined together galvanic corrosion can wreak havoc on the pipes. Usually a dielectric coupling is used between the different pipes to act as a buffer between the two. 😃👍
As usual great work with that valve. Can you show us how the fitting between the two nipples work? It all looks so strange...
Fantastic outstanding 👍👍🔩🔩
I'm a commercial maintenance man, and those gate values absolutely suck.
Terry- they really show their weakness when not operated for a few years! 🫣😂👍
Explain why they suck?
@@akoznasovajusername I work in old buildings and they never work because they haven't been used in years and occasionally. One will break and then you got big problems.
Hey John are they doing the tool meet at the barn tomorrow?
Yes!!! I’ll be there! 😃👍
@@ScoutCrafter Cool! 😎
How about a cut-away fire hydrant?
Fire hydrants are really really heavy! 😂👍
😃😃😃😃
Once they freeze up there junk..
Love the cut away John really cool looks like it was really good quality worth the few bucks you spent god bless take care 🇳🇿🇺🇸🪖🦅🗽47/FJB