I'll definitely do a more in depth video on TOP vs DSR at some point, hopefully before DT. Need to get back into TOP for a refresher. Still need to learn TEA and UCOB sometime too. Lots to do!
I love p10s so much. Kinda funny how your S-tier actually has an all-star list of savage turns, with exactly one rep from first/second/third/door/final bosses.
I really love Pandaemonium, it's a raid series that really pushed me to a higher level skillwise. I did start back then in Shadowbringers and Eden with raiding and I dont know, while I did got better it didn't felt as impactful as Pandaemonium for me (as in improving yourself), in difficulty as well. Maybe it was cuz I was just starting out with raiding and it takes time to get better. I have to also say that I didn't do E8S and only half of Eden tho. But Endwalker had so much rough fights in it, the ultimates besides - good lord, savage really had a lot of caviats to it either through balance or how the fights were structured in general. But I consider them as positive. Fights like P8S and P12S especially made me a much better player and I love them to dead. P12S is my favourite savage fight period as this fight is not only thematically so good but also includes everything a heavy fight has to it, a perfect entrance/preparation to ultimates imho.
What makes P10 so good is that it feels surprisingly intense. It's very intense especially for a second floor savage and you get vomitted with mechanics in a faster pace, it's tightly condensed in that regard. All the while you have to pay attention to little details that change throughout the fight the whole time with the debuffs and a very tight healcheck. Just overall very refreshing and creative. Also the aesthetic and music choice for that fight is just peak. This fight also showed again what P3S already did, people cant spread (or sometimes even stack) for the life of them and this fight abused that to the maximum.
I like your retrospective video on the ew raids. I only started raiding casually during this final raid tier but I found most of the fights similar to how you ranked them. p8 was my first savage and found it challenging but our static eventually cleared. p10 was a giant leap in difficulty and I started to have doubts if we would be able to clear or not and I felt like the first raid of the tier was just a warm up and p10 was the start of the "real" savage fights. I found p11 to be much easier and more enjoyable for me. It was a good wind down after p10 and I also enjoyed the p12 door boss over the second phase. the music and scenery were more interesting and the speed of the mechanics felt more engaging. the only problem I had with it was that our group really struggled with limit cut and it felt frustrating to do the entire fight up until that point only to wipe. we were unsure what was causing the wipes during the limit cuts and this created a lot of trial and error on just that mechanic. this in turn made the final super chains feel much more intense than they should of since it was the mechanic that I got to practice the least at that point due to having to pass the limit cut first. p12 phase 2 was ok for me was kind of forgettable and felt more satisfaction on completing the previous fights in the tier.
P3S was lovely. I think it helps if you're new and haven't seen some of the mechanics before, so it's feels fresher than for older players who have done Coils.
In my opinion, every door boss goes immediately to D tier. It's simply not a good system whatsoever. I don't mind at all a boss that gives no reward but let us just restart from the second phase OR at least make this duty last 3 hours so we don't have to do an awkward re-clear of the first phase in the middle of the raid. That's just such a weird design. Other than that, I am surprised Hydaelyn is not S tier. Just the scenery of this fight makes it incredible. I also think the mechanics of this fight are also exactly want an extreme should be. Really top tier fight.
P3S is S tier indeed gg P7S had another cheesable mechanic where you would have fixed positions and the tanks would just get a DD but it made one of the harvests super ez. So 2 major mechs just cheesed and everything else kinda boring. I loved P8S1... my only issue was that getting beast first really hurt your DPS because of the reason you mentioned with buffs not being in range. It really sucked early on in that way but other than that the mechs themselves imo are S tier. I did like that the tank busters forced tanks to actually mitigate instead of Invuln cheese. I think you might find DSR was a lot less chill on content. The difference that gear and new pots / food made was pretty huge for heal, mit and DPS checks. That's not to say that it was harder than TOP but it was definitely up there. With TOP is really depends if you cleared it with or without Melons, I personally think it's easier than DSR if using melon but without it it's harder, at least on content. Personally, TOP is P1 and P5 and the rest is pretty braindead once you've done it a few times.
I was too busy with ultimate when they released. Cleared the first criterion and it was great. Awesome fight design and harder dungeon style content is much needed. Still need to go back and do the other two and savage. The new weapons are a nice addition for savage, but normal could use some better rewards.
Personally I’d put P7 in a tier below D because that fight is just miserable. Athena 2 I’d probably put in D, just not a fan. Also P10 I think is highly overrated because of “being different” but doing the reclears was just a snooze fest. P3 definitely deserves S tier. If you can overlook the color thing, the fight itself is great. And yea F P11, just could not stay focused or remember what came next in that fight. Great list overall though. :)
How do we outgear DSR more than TOP? Our current gear for both are 5 ilvls above the normal savage gear, unless you are talking about the relic weapon stats.
Idk imo p10s was a decent up until that one mech that requires ppl to line up. Literally killed that fight for me. P12s p1 was trash would rather do p7s again than do that goofy limit cut. It just served no purpose in that fight. P12s p2 was just really bad... P11s was great just because it was chill. Nothing goofy just do mechs and dps. TOP is probably one of the worse designed fights in the game. I thought p1 was the best thing to come out of the fight. DSR was a masterclass on fight design and storytelling.
This channel is a hidden gem. Keep it up!
Would love for you to do a video on each ultimate, going through each phase and your experiences!
I'll definitely do a more in depth video on TOP vs DSR at some point, hopefully before DT. Need to get back into TOP for a refresher. Still need to learn TEA and UCOB sometime too. Lots to do!
love your channel so far! excited for dawntrail
Definitely a well thought out tier list (im still in heavensward)
I am colorblind and I LOVE P3S as an Astro/Shield healer main. That fight is fucking AMAZING! My favorite savage in this expac.
I love p10s so much.
Kinda funny how your S-tier actually has an all-star list of savage turns, with exactly one rep from first/second/third/door/final bosses.
That would be a wild raid tier!
I really love Pandaemonium, it's a raid series that really pushed me to a higher level skillwise. I did start back then in Shadowbringers and Eden with raiding and I dont know, while I did got better it didn't felt as impactful as Pandaemonium for me (as in improving yourself), in difficulty as well. Maybe it was cuz I was just starting out with raiding and it takes time to get better. I have to also say that I didn't do E8S and only half of Eden tho. But Endwalker had so much rough fights in it, the ultimates besides - good lord, savage really had a lot of caviats to it either through balance or how the fights were structured in general. But I consider them as positive. Fights like P8S and P12S especially made me a much better player and I love them to dead. P12S is my favourite savage fight period as this fight is not only thematically so good but also includes everything a heavy fight has to it, a perfect entrance/preparation to ultimates imho.
What makes P10 so good is that it feels surprisingly intense. It's very intense especially for a second floor savage and you get vomitted with mechanics in a faster pace, it's tightly condensed in that regard. All the while you have to pay attention to little details that change throughout the fight the whole time with the debuffs and a very tight healcheck. Just overall very refreshing and creative. Also the aesthetic and music choice for that fight is just peak. This fight also showed again what P3S already did, people cant spread (or sometimes even stack) for the life of them and this fight abused that to the maximum.
I like your retrospective video on the ew raids. I only started raiding casually during this final raid tier but I found most of the fights similar to how you ranked them. p8 was my first savage and found it challenging but our static eventually cleared. p10 was a giant leap in difficulty and I started to have doubts if we would be able to clear or not and I felt like the first raid of the tier was just a warm up and p10 was the start of the "real" savage fights. I found p11 to be much easier and more enjoyable for me. It was a good wind down after p10 and I also enjoyed the p12 door boss over the second phase. the music and scenery were more interesting and the speed of the mechanics felt more engaging. the only problem I had with it was that our group really struggled with limit cut and it felt frustrating to do the entire fight up until that point only to wipe. we were unsure what was causing the wipes during the limit cuts and this created a lot of trial and error on just that mechanic. this in turn made the final super chains feel much more intense than they should of since it was the mechanic that I got to practice the least at that point due to having to pass the limit cut first. p12 phase 2 was ok for me was kind of forgettable and felt more satisfaction on completing the previous fights in the tier.
Time to watch this while i finally grind out materia levels in FF7 rebirth!
P3S was lovely.
I think it helps if you're new and haven't seen some of the mechanics before, so it's feels fresher than for older players who have done Coils.
I thought you weren't going to talk about harvests in p7s and nearly lost my marbles lol. Great tier list!
In my opinion, every door boss goes immediately to D tier. It's simply not a good system whatsoever. I don't mind at all a boss that gives no reward but let us just restart from the second phase OR at least make this duty last 3 hours so we don't have to do an awkward re-clear of the first phase in the middle of the raid. That's just such a weird design.
Other than that, I am surprised Hydaelyn is not S tier. Just the scenery of this fight makes it incredible. I also think the mechanics of this fight are also exactly want an extreme should be. Really top tier fight.
I don't disagree. I'd definitely like if we just had 5 fights instead of the door bosses. Hydaelyn could easily bump up to S as well
P3S is S tier indeed gg
P7S had another cheesable mechanic where you would have fixed positions and the tanks would just get a DD but it made one of the harvests super ez. So 2 major mechs just cheesed and everything else kinda boring.
I loved P8S1... my only issue was that getting beast first really hurt your DPS because of the reason you mentioned with buffs not being in range. It really sucked early on in that way but other than that the mechs themselves imo are S tier. I did like that the tank busters forced tanks to actually mitigate instead of Invuln cheese.
I think you might find DSR was a lot less chill on content. The difference that gear and new pots / food made was pretty huge for heal, mit and DPS checks. That's not to say that it was harder than TOP but it was definitely up there. With TOP is really depends if you cleared it with or without Melons, I personally think it's easier than DSR if using melon but without it it's harder, at least on content. Personally, TOP is P1 and P5 and the rest is pretty braindead once you've done it a few times.
P3S Enjoyers unite
Would be interested to hear your thoughts on Criterion/Savage Criterion.
I was too busy with ultimate when they released. Cleared the first criterion and it was great. Awesome fight design and harder dungeon style content is much needed. Still need to go back and do the other two and savage. The new weapons are a nice addition for savage, but normal could use some better rewards.
@@99_Vit personally I'd love to see Criterion be closer to EX in difficulty and Savage Criterion be what it is nowadays
Is there a way I can see your hot bar reaper setup? I’m trying to get better with my controller but don’t feel like it’s optimized enough.
If you join my discord (link in the description) there’s an Imgur link to all my job bars in the resources channel
the comets on zodiark EX fuck me up still
Personally I’d put P7 in a tier below D because that fight is just miserable.
Athena 2 I’d probably put in D, just not a fan. Also P10 I think is highly overrated because of “being different” but doing the reclears was just a snooze fest.
P3 definitely deserves S tier. If you can overlook the color thing, the fight itself is great. And yea F P11, just could not stay focused or remember what came next in that fight.
Great list overall though. :)
How do we outgear DSR more than TOP? Our current gear for both are 5 ilvls above the normal savage gear, unless you are talking about the relic weapon stats.
I guess it's the relics? Not sure exactly but the damage checks in dsr feel a bit more relaxed than top
got a link to this tierlist template?
Here ya go! tiermaker.com/create/ffxiv-endwalker---all-trials-and-raids-17138288
Idk imo p10s was a decent up until that one mech that requires ppl to line up. Literally killed that fight for me. P12s p1 was trash would rather do p7s again than do that goofy limit cut. It just served no purpose in that fight. P12s p2 was just really bad...
P11s was great just because it was chill. Nothing goofy just do mechs and dps.
TOP is probably one of the worse designed fights in the game. I thought p1 was the best thing to come out of the fight.
DSR was a masterclass on fight design and storytelling.