BlizzCon 2010 - World of Warcraft Cataclysm - Rejected Portal Login Screen
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- In Blizzcon 2010, the Blizzard employees introduced for the first time to the audience,the concept artwork they did for the Log-In screen of the Cataclysm Expansion.
They had some interesting ideas,like the Maelstrom log-in screen,and they ended up to make the Twillight's Hammer Portal log-ing screen.
But then they decided that the theme of the screen would be too vague for the non-85L players,so they scrapped it and they eventually sticked to the Deathwing Log-in Screen which you can see it in RUclips here:
• Blizzcon 2010 Cataclys...
Personally,although i find the initial Portal log-in pretty cool and with a node to the classic The Burning Crusade Portal log-in screen,i have to agree with the decision of the Blizzard artists to replace it with something more familiar,since a lot of wow gamers wouldnt know what the Portal was about until they reached level 85.
I miss Deathwing standing on Stormwind, why can't we just fucking use the old screens if we want?
ugh
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"This is bait"
id pick WOTLK for my log in screen
calls others edgy
uses the cringe meme
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Although I like that Twilight's Hammer login screen, I get why they decided not to go for it, because really if you're new to the game, you would have no idea what that is. On the flip side, if you're new to the game and you see the giant flaming dragon that was on the box art and the game trailer, you already have an idea about what that is, it's the important guy in the expansion.
well i would agree with you but if i remember right, they also revamped the old questing area and they made twilight hammer a lot more present in the leveling experience, heck you fight against twilight hammer at level 3? in human area. it's a silly to say it's to complicated for the new players imo.
@@AlexHerlicska Still, its understandable why they would switch to Deathwing, he caused it all, the madness, and the Twilight Hammer is perhaps supposed to be a mystery to those that play, who are they? What role do they have to play in all this? The game gives you answers once you progress into the max level zones, and thats when it starts to add all up. Still, loved Deathwing's login screen, just a fuckin badass.
yeah but i feel like they should have put deathwing somewhere else, new horde players wouldn't even know where he is of some towers in stormwind
You didn't search for this video. That's all I know XD
wtf i thought i uploaded this, i was so confused
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That concept art of the maelstrom would have been great, it's a famous location and a gateway to another realm. It wouldnt have confused newer players because it would just have looked like a big maelstrom.
maelstrom isnt something you would normally know. Having a big ass dragon on top of a burning building tells a lot without having to know much.
@@nigeluno8896 Yeah but at the same time, the idea is that its supose to be a gate and no one notices the gates of stormwind, they only see the giant dragon and secondly the maelstrom is iconic even before wow was released because its the first thing we see in the original wow cinematic. its existed on maps pre wow and is always gonna feature on every map of azeroth.
I would love the eye of the maelstrom more yeah, it would so good
yeah here we go, youtube with recommendations giving me goosebumps on ole good times
Man I fucking miss the Wrath Log-In Screen so damn much. It had a flying Icebound Frostbrood Vanquisher flying in the background and doing it's own thing, ICC in the background just looking intense and the music to boot was all just the perfect way to enter the game.
i hated that one because the dragon was so dam loud when it would come it a roar
i've been playing wrath for 9 years or so and i still love it, can't get sick of it especially when sindy is one of my favourite bosses... luckily i'm a melee main so she doesn't give me a stroke half the time
@@rubiolo1019 Suffer mortals as your pathetic magic betrays you!
I was a healer main :')
That was not a Icebound Frostbrood Vanquisher. It was Sindragosa
no, that was Syndragosa
What's wrong Blizzard...???
It looks awesome...
how on earth would "no one know who the Twilight's Hammer are?" They start popping up as soon as the 10-20 zones and this looks far cooler than deathwing over stormwind ever did.
Just a little late comment.. They start at the Dwarf/Gnome area at 10. After that theyre not shown as much until 85 or Twilight Highlands
as a horde player since early BC, I didn't really know who they were, like yeah I knew they existed but never looked into what they were about and didn't gaf about them.
super fucking late comment btw, this video just popped up for the first time in my suggestions lmao
Wrong. The Deathwing one is far superior.
I know, deathwing is just one single arrogant human. But the Twilight's hammer is an army made up of all the playable races and more, the ones that started it all in cata. There would be no cataclysm without them, Deathwing is just the old god's tentacle inserter.
*facepalm* so we put a dopey looking version of deathwing on top of the gates of stormwind.
Who gives two fucks if someone doesn't "get" the log-in screen, you don't have to get it.
When I started WoW in 2005 I had no clue what the Dark Portal was, and when I found it after months of playing I was like: "OH! That's where the log-in screen comes from!" It was a sense of discovery, but god forbid players actually explore and discover things.
It was like their mission in Cataclysm was to destroy immersion and exploration, because that's exactly what it did for me. Especially in the end-game content.
This
Imagine if they did both. Now hear me out 2 year old comment; what if they had THIS login screen and then suddenly deathwing flew past (like the lich king version) and then went off into the background, breathed fire onto the silhouette of stormwind and then flew away.
Pretty much the best of both.
Nobody would understand who the Twilight Hammer was? How would new players understand what the Dark Portal was? Or Icecrown Citadel? That's what makes it more mysterious and makes you want to get to high lvl and learn about the world and story. What is this mysterious portal in the login screen? What is this black castle in a frozen wasteland? It made you want to know more and explore. In Cata, it's just "Oh, that big dragon from the box cover attacked this random city".
yeah this is proof Blizzard is catering to the mentally retarded
The Dark Portal & Lich King's Fortress were in Warcraft 3 (and 2, The Warcraft 2 expansion was called Beyond the Dark Portal and Warcraft 3's expansion was called The Frozen Throne)
Youre a moron
"high end content .... and you wouldn't even see it" ... that's very telling. content that nobody will see.
0:30, Who would say that today in shadowlands that portal existed
0:38 the two top right concepts look great
I dont see the problem with the deathwing login screen.. Looked pretty epic as far i remember..
The portal one we can see here is pretty meh honestly.. But yeah i dont really know that much about the lore of the old expansions.. Only know the parts of the lore of the lich king and the legion
The Deathwing login screen fits more with the Cataclysm theme that the expansion had, you could see tha chaos around around even if Deathwing was the main part of the screen.
They made the right choice. Deathwing standing on top of the entrance to Stormwind was a very memorable visual, especially as someone who joined during Cataclysm. I had seen the WotLK login screen, so my expectations, I guess, were subconsciously a bit high. In many ways, I feel like it's one of their best login screens. I would choose to go back to it if I could, but... well... for absolutely no good reason that's not an option. They put in all that work into these screens and you can't even swap between them anymore. They're just gone. Forever.
@@Lucifronz yeah. The bfa screen kept BLARING with the opening. And the SL one is ok imo. I just honestly think it would be better for them to have something to allow you to change the login for yourself.
"We have so little faith in our playerbase, we need to plaster the main bad guy on the login screen"
This shows both a devolution in both their design and storytelling philosophies. TBC and Wotlk login screens didn't have kael'thas or Arthas standing around. Focusing the entire expansion around 1 big bad who ends up literally doing next to nothing is a terrible move
Wrath had Sindragosa on the title screen for a little while, before flying off.
The main bad guy of TBC was Kil'jaeden not Kael'thas/Illidan
why is it a bad thing that not everyone would know about the twilights hammer? were they worried that people wouldnt wanna play if they didnt recognise the log-in screen? thats one of the main reasons many people play the game in the first place; to learn the lore.
Yeah, that feels like a such a weird excuse. Did anybody new knew what the Dark Portal was during Vanilla? A doodad feature from Blasted Lands, a high level 55+ zone surrounded by elite demons with zero reasons to visit other than saying "look, this is the loading screen portal".
Dark Portal in TBC was also a high level 58 area in Hellfire Peninsula, did it stop them? Frostwyrm and Northrend were a high-level thing too.
If anything, the Twilight's Hammers were actually the most relevant idea ever to put into loading screen, if we are making such standard, because the entire Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms questing content was revamped and a lot of redesigned zones actually featured Twilight's Hammers really, really early - some as early as Loch Modan and Darkshore. Twilight's Hammers were both low and high level feature, thus it makes the excuse really, really odd and weaselly. I think they just really wanted Deathwing on screen and had zero reasoning for doing so, other than "it looks cool", so they've post-talk justified it ad hoc.
@@Altermerea Blizzard started to really suck after WOTLK
@@Altermerea I don't think the Twilight Portal has much relevance, but the previous 3 loading screen did. They are all tied to marketing; Vanilla: Your adventure awaits, TBC: journey to Outland, WotLK: Fight Arthas in Icecrown (The dragon from the cinematic is there). Then Cataclysm was Deathwing, the dragon who caused the cataclysm across Azeroth, the whole reason for the expansion - and this time the threat is coming back to your home instead. The twilight hammer wasn't present in the cinematics or trailiers and they aren't even the big bad. The players don't really know what the portal is and where it leads to either. So I think the change was the right choice.
@@Altermerea the dark portal is fucking iconic lol tons of people knew what that was that hadn't played wow
@@20the20 yeah honestly i was thinking, thats the shit that made me wanna play. would see a friend play it in our media class and i was so intrigued, that portal looked so awesome and when i finally got my hands on it the login screen alone made me feel this overwhelming excitement.
The levelling was fantastic and everything was good before the nerfnuke...
What nerfnuke? When?
@@Fran-zx5xy Early on in the expansion, the heroic dungeons were hard and had interesting challenging mechanics. Then some people complained and the hard nerfed it all so that Heroics were a cakewalk
@@MrBlancify lol
@@MrBlancify response after 7 years lol
@@asavel6227Yeah, I was really surprised to get a response to this comment now. But 7 years would be an adequate time before people started forgetting how terribly the Cata Heroics got nerfed :P
Not using that login screen was a big fuckup. That looked way better than a stupid dragon sitting on top of stormwind.
1:03 now cmoooon, i wanted THAT for the screen
They really should have kept this one. Perfect points are made with the two current top comments.
Cataclysm slapped and y’all know it did. People say Cata sucked because nothing would ever top WOTLK and you’d be right but you can’t tell me cata wasn’t still amazing. The Firelands raid is still the best raid in the whole game IMO
You're right, people were always petty and selective with their expectations when WoW was in its prime. People picked on particular system changes from expansion to expansion at the time, but generally speaking Cataclysm was an awesome expansion.
Honestly if people don't know the lore behind something then they need to put in effort into learning it - a little reading won't hurt anyone. Plus, the people who don't care about lore won't care about the aesthetics of the login screen.
You missed the point entirely, and that doesn't even make sense. First you're essentially telling people to go fuck themselves and go read some if they don't know the lore. Not everybody is a lore buff, some people play the game because it's fun, you know? Also, people who don't care about the lore won't care about the login screen? What? The login screen is literally the first impression you get of the game, you're essentially saying that blizzard could put anything in the login screen and only the lore buffs would care about it? It has to do with aesthetics and world building, and everyone who plays the game is impacted by that.
With this i'm not saying that blizzard shouldn't put more obscure stuff in the login screen, personally I think the Twilight's Hammer portal as the login screen would look much better than the one we got with Deathwing.
It's like +MarkS said "When I started WoW in 2005 I had no clue what the Dark Portal was, and when I found it after months of playing I was like: "OH! That's where the log-in screen comes from!" It was a sense of discovery, but god forbid players actually explore and discover things."
Even if you don't read all the lore bits, you can figure most stuff out in-game by just playing the game. And putting something that looks really cool but you don't know exactly what it is in the login screen would just make people want to play it more, because they want to know what it is.
This is a video game meant to cater to a wide variety of players, not just to lore-hungry mega-nerds. Not everyone needs to know every bit of the lore and players just opening up the game aren't going to put two and two together from the visuals alone.
that's a good idea too. The maelstrom would've been a good middle point. and people would have been "Ooo the title screen is where it all began AND where it ended!" after the expansion's last content was released
0:06 at the lower left corner you can see what seems to be a very early shadowlands login screen concept lol
Sylvanas is just copying deathwing with deepholm lol.
thank you youtube and algorithm
It looks like ten years ago they already knew the sky of Northrend was going to break into pieces... Just look one of those WotLK first login screen concepts, similar to what we saw on Shadowlands cinematic.
Where i can see wotlk login screen development?
I miss the tier 11 gear, and raids like BoT and BwD. Yes, we have XMOG, but still tier 11 at the release of Cataclysm was the stuff. But 4.3 is still a very satisfying end patch to Cataclysm.
is it weird that i specifically remember watching this for the first time while taking a dump.
:O that login screen is so much better then the current
twilight hammer login screen looks awesome and now and then a fire demon comes out or something would be awesome
"its a high end content and nobody would know it..."|
>outland portal
>outland portal remake
>icecrown panorama
excuse me?
@Zachattack172 I think what he means is that the lore behind the Twillights Hammer and how it is related to the content in cataclysm is high level stuff in the sense that only lore-nerds would get the reference.
The problem with the deathchin login, aside from completely cliche, is that they even admitted that they basically threw it together in a couple of days, and scrapped the one they spent weeks on.
Alternative log-in screen from a paralelle universe where WoW actually got better and not worse
Or not even exist anymore...
Oh man, what wouldn't I give to go back to the Cataclysm days... the game and the community surrounding it was my most epic gaming experience ever.
@@pogiskerdezz cata was the downfall
@@pogiskerdezz to the window, to the wall
all the unofficial login screens are so much better than the official one
was the right move to go with deathwing on the towers in stormwind, he is the centerpiece of the expansion and everything is inevitably tied to him
since there isnt a specific location or zone tied to deathwing, as there is with icecrown citadel in wrath, they had to show him directly
Pretty much all of those were much better than what they ultimately went with. My god.
and now we've got giant panda statues and the only thing animated is the leaves,thanks Blizz -_-
It's funny because he said nobody has ever seen it before even in the art team, even though it was datamined quite early on. Just google "say hi to the new login screen" for proof.
In my opinion, the portal is really cool, and it sticks to the traditional first 2 portals in the first 2 expansions. In TBC, you knew what the giant green portal was somewhat, but you'd only know what it lead to and what it looked like in game if you were level 58+ at the time. Also, I don't remember seeing the original portal anywhere in the game, but it brings so much epicness that you just want to play in the world it only faintly shows. Blizzard, we want a portal in MoP. Do it!
There were some SERIOUSLY cool log in screens in between
I didn't know what that strange portal was when I first logged in during BC...
Good old days , not only on wow but the whole world . We bitched so much about cataclysm but compared to the expansions we have now cata was a gem big F in chat
They should let us choose what login screen we want that would be cool
They should actually have a couple of the rejected - yet finished - versions pop up instead of the current one on occasion, maybe even cycle through them, just for the sake of variation.
00:19 was my favourite...
Yeah many peeps thought that cata would be great at start. Like "oh a new wow that is going to be epic".
Not to mention that the Twilight's Hammer not only have been around since WC2, but are more active than ever before in Cataclysm, even pre-High Level stuff.
I got into cataclysm on the free trial and fucking loved death wing and the cinematic I wish I had started before so I could have seen the impact on the world
True, but you could think of the landscape changing FROM cata TO older expansions if you started in cata and then went back to older expansions.
This one is a hundred times better than the 'ah my eyes are bleeding from all the RED" one. It's also less cliche.
Thus proving MrZurata's point, being less well-known doesn't mean it can't be awesome.
Twilights Hammer was only in game since Vanilla.. lol
I would much rather have had THAT login screen than the one we got. Oh well... too late to do anything about it now.
@DzoGavert I am not arguing whether or not it is nerdy to catch the reference, I am simply saying that I am pretty sure that was what he meant by "high level stuff"... Rather than a reference to your character level.
0:05 Looks like Shadowlands login screen. Amazing, it was in the 2010 year.
now you know how far in the future they look. but also how bored they must look when it finally releases cuz they have been staring at it for 10+ years
Yeah, but thats deepholm so it makes sense. I don't think that login screen had any connection to how Shadowlands looks, but I can see how you would think that.
@@thisguyhd6591 That concept screen has nothing to do with shadowlands, that's Deepholm. They weren't actually thinking that far ahead lmao.
@XGam3rproX No you haven't. The screaming dragon was introduced in WotLK, which was certainly not four years before Cataclysm's launch. You could pretend all you want that the stone dragon's head and claws atop the Dark Portal were screaming at you, but it certainly wasn't.
And besides, polls show that the TBC log-in screen is the fan favourite.
WoW's dev team's downfall was them thinking that they're playerbase was fucking idiots who don't follow the lore... sigh
that's actually really nice
These concepts were so much cooler then what it is now...
WHAT???? The Shadowlands screen??? 0:06 Look at the shattered sky over a castle in an icy landscape (not sure it's ICC though).
seems quite a similar to me (as some scuffed icc + broken gate between azeroth and shadowlands)
I miss cata :(
This one looks 1000's times better than Deathwing. Only thing I find symbolizing ANY doorway or portal is the gates of SW, and that's not much. Blizz should make it so you can actually choose your login screen.
I like this way better then what they went with.
the twilight's hammer has been around for a very long time, players would see them longer before the high level game content.....
even back then they couldn't make the correct decisions
OMG this is so much better than deathwing taking dump in Stormiwnd. Damn you blizz damn you!
This Login Screen looked Frickin Awesome! D:
they were extensively present in Silithus pre-cata. Also in the night elf lands trying to dig up that old god general. In wotlk there was that instance with the old god servant as the final boss. (most people just thought those guys were Arthas Cultists unfortunately(the humanoids, not the servants))
most people just skipped past their identity since few people bother with the lore in game. Which makes it even worse when they bitch theres no lore or build up when its been extensive
I would have loved see the broken world pillar as a login screen.
the burning crusade login screen was also a portal from high level content too
so something tells me there are more reasons why they scrapped it
'THAT FUCKING 'brrrrrrroaAAUUUUUGHHHNNG' DRAGON' rip in peace Lich King expansion, never forget.
they definatly should have done this
The maelstrom or portal were perfect! Everyone knows what the hell twilight's hammer is. The lowest level I saw them at (and I'm sure you see them even sooner) was in Thousand Needles, they're doing their bad, end of the world stuff and opening up portals to kill and blow everything up. The guy in the video doesn't even know what he's talking about..."high level content," RLY?
The Maelstrom would have been AWESOME for a login screen. Now I have to live with the fact we didn't get it.
me too
0:05 bottom left kinda looks like Shadowlands no? After the helm of domination was broken and it cracked the reality between the two worlds?
Other than entering the vale after the celestial quest with Anduin and seeing them loom closer as you bridge the distance to the Golden Lotus pagoda? They're thematic and a reminder of the past.and a symbol of the vale and pandaria. A reminder to never be subjugated by the Mogu or whoever fills their role. They don't have to be anything more than just be there.
I thought it looked epic, You guys should put that as the next Login screen!
they finally got to do the bottom left one at 0:07 for shadowlands
vanilla still has the best login screen design. just typing in your info and clicking login was super satisfying. it was like you were entering a vast world of untold wonders and the sky was the limit
till you encountered one of them stupid ass mages
we should be able to customize the screen to choose any of the expansions login screen!
they should just allow us to choose between all the old login screens?
thumbs up if you agree
@basketballman33 the maelstrom login screen is even better than the Twilight Hammer portal screen.
Sigh, they even screwed up the cata login screen. Damn it Blizz.
I like that log-in screen a LOT better than the current deathwing log-in screen.
thumbs up if you agree.
Omg??? This is way better then the current log in screen!!
maybe a random loginscreen when you open wow ? sometimes beaches os Stranglethorn, sometimes deathwing, sometimes nelf ruins sometimes mounthyjal .. you get the point
And what does Blizzard think attracts people in a big dragon shaking his head every now and then..?
ikr, twilight hammer is in almost every alliance questing zone...but no we gotta have a big dragon and not this sick ass twilight hammer portal
I miss the Northrend Dragon roar for Wrath.
this was waaaaaaay better
@kws328 They probally ment that horde would enjoy sight of stormwind burning
Yeah, this login screen is way better than the deathwing one
I agree. I really didnt know who the twilights hammer was and i started playing i vanilla. The twilights hammer and all their crazy villians were so entertaining and really made cata enjoyable for me. More so than deathwing for sure. Deathwing was mad, but the real evil was the twilights hammer and they knew they were and loved it.
God these were some of the last few years Blizzard showed true passion about their game and it shows, it actually hurts to watch. Shame we never got the Maelstrom portal login, you learn about the Twilight Hammer once you reach Twilight Highlands at the latest. Honestly, I think that concept woulda been really cool. Music is awesome too.
New politics and sjw warriors who imposed their ideas are also played a big role in destroying this franchise. It’s not only CEO and Activision, there are still devs who have passion for this game. But now they are being fired
...which I wasn't contesting. I was pointing out the irony in blizzard's logic.
If they made this the login screen then that shit of a picture of deathwing i would be so happy lol
"We felt that nobody would understand who the Twilight Hammer was."
... it's the LOGIN SCREEN, for goodness' sake. All that matters is making it look good. They shouldn't have worried about "new players getting confused about the antagonist of Cataclysm" because actually PLAYING the game does a good job of explaining all the story-related stuff to you. Hell, the entrance to Deepholm in the Maelstrom would've made a far better login screen while continuing the portal theme.
Anyone who has played WarCraft II knows what the Twilight's Hammer is.
Bu then again, many WoW players haven't played the previous WarCraft games and don't know much of the lore...