bro I can't even get past that place where you have to run away from those paintings/mannequins when getting locked in that room (the one with ib parents paintings)
This is one of my least favorite endings. Mary just wants to be REAL. She sacrificed a lot to get out, her only friends, and then she finally reaches it. She reaches the moment she's waited forever for. And all she finds is her doom. She just wanted to have a real life and she can't have one. God, this game is great, but the endings are depressing as hell.
Actually...if I am correct she needed to actually get one of them killed,hence why she could leave when Garry is killed if you give Mary his rose,so she didn't do it fully.
I have a theory about this ending and I've had it for quite some time now. I think Mary can't leave the Art Gallery because she's not a real girl. Only a painting. She doesn't know about the real world. I think there was this one point in the game where you check a beach painting and she asks you if she could eat the beach. She wouldn't be able to survive in the real world with the little knowledge she has of it. That's why she can only leave with Ib (or Garry) and maybe that's why two people were sent down there instead of one. Mary needed a role model to help her guide through life in the real world but also needed someone to take her place in the painting. Alas, this is just a theory. But the new Mary endings are bone-chilling.
I like this theory :D and I remember that, she asked if you could eat the tree in the painting.. I think it would be sweet if Ib taught her about the real world.
***** Part of my theory is that because she is a painting, she doesn't know about the real world that much. She's stuck in Guertena's gallery. Mary was able to get out with either Ib or Garry because she has a someone to show her the ropes of the real world. And because she's young, it wouldn't be that suspicious if she asked.
Ib and Garry both starve to death since Garry is trapped in his insanity phase where he clearly doesn’t care about his physical state enough to go eat or drink something and Ib stays with him until she passes away of hunger or thirst (just like in the ending “Welcome to the World of Guertena” but without Mary). And then you have Mary, who stays in darkness all alone to become even more lonely and truly insane if she doesn’t die somehow. So yes, this is the worst ending possible.
theory: mary can't get to the real world on her own because she has no preconceived perception of how exactly it looks and feels, no tangible memories of the reality outside the world of guertena she's lived in all her life. all she has are vestigial and vague memories of the guertena world and the assumption that the gallery in her world is a replication of the real gallery. outside from that, she has no basis to go on to essentially reinvent the real world, and to return to it. that's why the reality of the real gallery crumbles so quickly, allowing guertena's world to slip through the seams and destroy her for leaving. it ties in with ib's themes of illusion and deception, too. her status as a painting from the guertena world replacing ib and garry in the real world may also come into play: the dimensions reject the imbalance, creating friction and blurring the lines between reality and the guertena world, because a painting cannot equate to two real, living people. with ib or garry, she can draw on their memories to recreate the world and its people, and also concurrently rely on them as an anchor to the real world. this also checks out with the equivalence theory: with one person left behind in the gallery and two people returning to the real world. in the case of the ending where ib returns alone, perhaps her ties to the real world keep her alive. after all, she _belongs_ there. no gallery's going to crush her for leaving. _of course, this theory also creates the possibility that ib and garry never return to the real world in any ending, even "promise of reunion". it's the ultimate catch-22. after all, they may just be creating a phantasm, a ghost of the world they know, with their memories of the real world. who knows? they may have been lost forever in an alternate reality either way._
I like how Mary refers to the Lady in Red as “Big Sis” because they were made by the same person. It’s a small detail but it’s nice to know this Psychopath has some feelings
I had a dream when I was 11 or 12; there could have been more to it, but all I remember was being surrounded by darkness, nothingness, with constant white noise in my ears. And I knew, that I was trapped alone in this place forever and would never see my family or friends again. As I woke up, I realized the white noise was the fan that I had on every night and that it was my room that was dark, the way I liked... It's the one time in my life that I remember waking up crying. This ending gives me the same feeling of despair. T_T
This makes me feel sorry for Mary...I mean yeah she was crazy and willing to sacrifice both ib and Garry and leave then to rot in the gallery she herself was trying to escape from, but she was still a little girl who just wanted a real friend and life....
kat ib viola Conrad actually she dreamed of leaving the gallery with a friend. She was jealous of Garry because he liked Ib and Ib liked him. She let jealousy get the best of her. Though it may not seem like it but I think Mary actually cares about Garry she just had to sacrifice Ib or Garry and since she liked Ib more she chose Garry as a sacrifice. If she didn't have to sacrifice anybody and could leave with both of them, she wouldn't be jealous of Garry and she'd like him a bit more. She even called out for Garry for his help and that showed a little trust. I don't hate any characters in this game except for the fake mom and the evil paintings. Mary is fine.
As crazy as Mary is, I can't help but feel sorry for her in this ending. All she wanted was a real life and a friend. And for all of you who say she deserves this ending, remember this: at least she isn't as bad as Ellen from The Witch's House or (this is my opinion and is up for debate) Aya from Mad Father.
Quite a late reply, I know, but I humbly think Ellen is the worst. She basically made a deal with a demon and robbed everything from Viola with no shred of remorse at all...Viola being stuck in Ellen's old body is nothing short of utter despair. Losing both legs, can't talk due to the destroyed vocal chord as well as blindness... She's even worse than a demon whom she made a deal with, to be sure... And there's Aya, however.... she's but a victim of a...twisted genealogy: a sociopathic mother and...yeah..a mad father with a murderous instinct. Like Mary (if she was a real girl), she'd become an even better girl if she was raised by someone else apart from her real parents.
Mary really isn't evil. She's just a sentient painting who wants to escape the paint world and become a real life person. She's so alone and she wants friends. That's why she wanted to trade her existence with Garry so that she could have a taste of the real world. She was painted as a child so she had the mind of a child. She was very ignorant and naive... Surely I can't be the only one feeling sorry for her?
Using the chain reaction in this game I could record all of the chronological events in this bad ending. - Garry enters the Doll Room - The exit is being locked. - A giant blue doll emerges right onto the frame. - Garry decides to be doomed inside the doll room. - Ib and Mary's turn to be the next target of a sinister bad luck. - Ib takes the Brown Key inside the color room. - Ib unlocks the Brown Door. - Ib and Mary enters the stairway that leads to the Purple Room. - Upon entering, the two heard strange voices emanating from the Doll Room - Entering the Doll Room, Garry is completely insane. - In a deviating time, Ib becomes depressed as a result of Garry's insane behavior. - Garry and Ib refuse to leave with Mary. - Mary leaves. - Mary dawdles around the Purple Room and strange things begin to happening. - Leaving the Purple Room and entering the stairs to the Cursed Gallery, more and more strange things occur. - After entering the ginormous painting, she is being played with a sick, twisted game in the Real Museum until she is destroyed to oblivion.
Well no matter how much you wish it, it won't be possible. It's because Mary is so different from the two, she's a painting not a real girl and there has to be a sacrifice needed. I personally do want a ending where they have happiness together but it always ends up one of them disappearing or being sacrificed. It's sad, this story. T.T
***** im pretty sure marys only imagining things, she will never meet her father as she cannot technically die, she isnt real thus she cannot die for real, its quite sad
***** there pls leave like and give mme support for a revvised full version of ib and the true end, "garry are you okay?" ib said with a face of concern, "dont worry ib ill be fine" "loves me" an almost hysteric voice goes through the hallway as the plucking of ones heart begins. garry feels the shock going through him, and he started to feel, tired. "loves me not" the same voice goes through "dont worry ib im fine" ib stared at garry not with worry but with regret, like she knows that grief is coming "loves me, loves me not, loves me, loves me not, loves me, loves me not" garry had ony mad it a third of the way until he collapsed. "go on ahead ib" he said in a dying voice "ill catch up dont worry" "i just need to sleep awhile" then a dreaded voice came through "LOVE ME! yay she loves me she loves me" ib looked at garry, he waas fast asleep. "garry?" ib waited for a reply, when none came she tried again "garry please wake up its dangerous here remember?" and again "please wake up" and again "please" with tears rolling down her cheeks, ib then hugged him as hard as she could trying to stir something in him, but to no avail, it wasn't a hug to welcome the living, it was a hug goodbye. then something dropped, it was garrys lighter, ib seeing this, knew what she had to. no what she wanted to do, she ate the candy garry gave her to make room for the lighter, though it hurt her so to do that, she felt like she needed to do this, ib went up the stairs until she found mary who greeted here with a smile, ib! take a look she brought over garrys plucked rose. anger glinted in ibs eyes. "i did the love me thing where you pluck a rose to see whether they love you, and it says you love me! you do right ib" mary asked with a still smiling face. "yes i do" ib replied "yay now we can get out together now that we ditched that man!" "but first, can you show me some of your things?" mary eyes glinted "sure!" she then pulled out a toy box and started ruffling through it, while mary was busy ib approached a portrait at the side of her room labelled mary. "hey ib here something!" when mary turned around to her friend, she saw ib holding a flame. below her portrait. with a face of utter hate. mary stared in shock at what her friend was holding, a flame over her portrait. for every human here they have a rose to represent their heart. for every painting a portrait and the painting becomes whatever the portrait becomes, in this case pile of lifeless ashes, and holding that is ib, the calm girl who doesn't express much of her feelings. but is showing a face of pure hatred, of anger, of loss. "what are you doing ib?" ib stared at her with an evil eye and replied "im going to kill you" mary taken aback by the word said "but why i thought we were friends and that we could escape here happily" "i thought that too" ibs voice suddenly went soft almost merciful "i thought we could be friends, but now after what you've done, it is clear that will never happen. goodbye mary i truly liked you" "wait ib please dont" ib lit the portrait "ib please dont! im sorry im sorry!" and ib replied in a tone almost evil voice "i dont forgive you" "haaaaah!" a wailing voice came out of nowhere and a trail of water splashed across the fire, putting what evil it may hold, out. ib was the first to respond "garry?". garry catching his breath let out a sigh. that was a close one, ib you know you shouldnt be playing with fi-" garrys sentence was interrupted by a sudden tackle to the chest from ib. "ib what are you-", "im glad." ib said in soft sobs "im so glad your awake" with tears running down her cheeks. garry looked at her and smiled "you didnt think i just leave you right?" garry then turned to mary who was staring at him with small tears forming. "i guess you want a hug to huh?" he joked. "why?" "how?"garry took some time to recollect his thoughts "heh it might take some time to explain how but. i ca explain why so-" "why?" mary cut in "i tried to keep you here for ever, tried to hurt you tried to kill you! why did you save me i dont understa-" marys sentence was interrupted by garry grabbing her and forcing her into a group hug "you know its rude to interrupt people. i saved you because i found something that i never told ib about." garry took out a book, written in bad handwriting was marys diary, "i kinda read this and saw how you were alone and wanted a real friend. and even though your methods are questionable im sure we can still be friends, so mary what do you sa-" garrys words were once again interrupted but not by words but by guilt and tears "im sorry i so sorry i was scared i panicked i thought you would leave me behind with ib like father did and never come back for me! im sorry for plucking your rose im sorry for threatening you i-" she went on like she was confessing to god."im sorry im sorry i-" this time Mary was stopped, but not by tears guilt words or anger just a close hug "im sorry too i thought you were evil, i thought you were going to hurt ib just because you were a painting so im sorry for that and besides if you can cry tears im sure you can be our friend too and we can go together, is that fine?" mary stared at garry for a while and just clutched him tightly and continued sobbing not in pain sadness guilt jealousy, she cried in happiness, like none she ever felt before. "sigh" "whoever see he day i have to girls crying and sobbing over me, literally" he looked at the two and gave a contempt smile "well i guess we all just have to get out together if we want to be happy and that's a promise." "he he he" a voice of pure spite reached out through the museum. " this has gotten quit interesting indeed, whoever thought he could win over lady Mary." "hehehe" "im gonna have fun with this" and as the peaceful events go on below, an evil presence starts forming above, "even when garry promised that they will all get out, he knows deep inside that may not happen, and if they all cant get out. he will choose to stay" "thats because thats the man he is. like the gentle king, no not gentle. the blue king! hehe that sounds good" the blue king the painted yellow lady and the red princess and the black rose.
If they..all 3 were to get out I could only imagine Mary would have to be as a painting instead of a human. I mean it's not as if you see her painting out in the gallery anyway..either way though..unfortunate to be Mary.
She could never have a happy ending with Ib and Garry. She's a painting. She'll be stalked by whoever is being all of this. Plus, Ib and Garry would never let her come along. Even though, all she wants is to be loved.
After being trapped there all this time, wanting nothing more than to just get out and live as a normal person, it's no wonder Mary would go insane like she did.
Haaaaaaa, every bad end is so fucking depressing. Even the good ends for Mary or Gary end up being depressing in the own right. Event when both Mary and Gary escape its STILL FUCKING DEPRESSING because well...... That final painting of Ib...... That was just to sad. The sacrifice and the remembering in the end..... God why couldn't their be an ending where all 3 are alive that involves some really complicated as fuck puzzles, trapping some true evil villian dude in the painting, adds like a 2 hour extension onto the game and ultimately giving you a satisfying ending that can be considered a true ending. The climactic crash.
The Chaotic Shadow It's kind of at the end. Mary catches up to them and argues some other stuff. Then Ib has the choice of going with Mary, Gary or sacrificing herself. If you choose the sacrifice ending Ib tears up her own rose then pushes Gary and Mary though so they can both live. Mary becomes Gary's sister and they all forget everything. Then Mary see's Ib's painting, the painting was a picture of Ib tangled in some spikey as hell vines with torn up rose petals scattered all around her. This causes Mary to remember everything and then she starts crying because Ib basically dies. In other words she's very sad that Ib died or is trapped or whatever you want to call it and she just falls down on her knees and starts crying while apologizing to Ib while Gary is standing there with a what the fuck is going on look on his face.
lildanial1 It took me a little while, but I did find it. However, it only exists in this so called "Green version" of the game. It's fan made and the original creator denounced it. Supposedly, he doesn't like it.
I like this ending better than Welcome to the World of Guertena. At least here Ib and Garry are (presumably) still alive and not having their roses devoured by painting women.
If she really died in this ending, it will be better. But, you know what? She WON'T die in this ending. She's a picture. So she will forever be alone with darkness and sorrow again. That's worse...
At first I did hate her for what she did to Garry, but this ending literally gave me chills. She's trapped in the darkness alone and there's nothing she can do to escape, but it would be just as terrifying being with Garry and Ib who have just given up.
In the bug room, there is a dot on the floor that moves around (It's supposed to be a shadow) and when you talk to it, it says things that you would think Guertena would say. I think that is supposed to be his spirit or ghost or whatever. And that spirit or ghost wanted Mary to come back, which is why Mary says "father!" at the end. Just saying.
This ending is the worst. The only good thing about it is that you get to play as Mary. I do wonder though... What would have happened if Mary decided to mercy kill both of them? What would happen if she escaped afterwards?
So I guess if Mary doesn't kill someone then she can't leave and sence they both are still alive it didn't work poor Mary if I could I would die so Mary,Ib,and Garry could leave.
I feel sorry for Mary...;-; She's got to be one of the most realistic villains in all these RPG horror titles, and she isn't even real in the game's world...
Looks like i'm the only one who thinks that Mary deserves it. I understand that she's lonely inside, she just want a friend and excited to go to real world, but it's like, you should know your place, your world are different 😔 Moreover, if Ib and Garry trapped in some unknown world then Mary too trapped in real world is considered fair
I don't even think that is the real world per se. Or maybe, it IS, but she corrupted it by getting out of the painting in the first place. In our eyes she's still nothing. But in her eyes, it's a nightmare as she is the only one to face the real world.
Yo, I'll take this ending over Together, Forever. Letting Mary into the real world is like releasing an exotic zoo animal into the wild: yeah, I feel sorry for it having to stay in a cage, but nothing good will come from setting it free. The game makes it abundantly clear that Ib, without prompting from the player, becomes attached to Garry. There's nothing and I mean _nothing_ in this game that even suggests to me that Ib likes Mary at all. Together, Forever, to me, is the most sadistic ending in the game. Ib is forced to witness her close friend and only protector in the art world die a slow, painful death, and his killer gets off scott-free, getting her (undeserved) happy ending while he's completely forgotten. I just can't fathom how anyone can call that a happy ending.
I think that the reason mary couldnt go into the normal world was because she upset the balance. its like the regular world and distortion world; one cant exist without the other, and if the balance between them isnt kept the universe does whatever it can to put things back in order. its the same with this ending, in order for mary to go into the normal world she had to take either ibs or garys place, which wouldve been okay bc its balanced. but in this ending they both ended up staying (alive) and she went through the portrait anyway, so ultimately she birthed a new dimension, one entirely on her own to keep the order of the worlds. I also think she was put there bc she is neither art nor human, she didnt fit into the categories so she failed to enter the normal realm and couldnt go back to the original one or it just wouldnt be right. I think her ending is proper sad bc all she wanted was real company and now she has to spend the rest of eternity in a dark and gloomy world all by herself, which is ironic and has a nice uplifting message of dont be greedy lmao
yeah i think ur right about the balance part. i dont know if this was a false memory of mine or something because the last time i played ib was years ago but i think there was some book or paper (idk) in the gallery that said something along the lines that in order to escape you must take the place of a living being, being either ib or garry in this case. edit: so i looked it up and i was right about the "taking the place of someone" bit being mentioned in-game. there's a book that you can read in the gallery called Theorims Of This World and there's a line in it saying "[v]ia a trading of existences, / the imaginary can be made reality." so it could be concluded that mary couldn't make it to the real world because the balance was disrupted; two people are supposed to escape while one person stays in the gallery, but in this ending one person tries to escape while two people stay in the gallery (mary did not trade places correctly), so that's why she ended up still being stuck in the cursed gallery.
@@corrinonacob3893 omg its been so long since I played I forgot all about that!!! so this ending was foreshadowed a lot sooner in the story which I think is p cool :) this game is good every time I come back to it I discover something I didnt see before or little innuendos, I do feel awful for mary but then again, she shouldve known that it wasnt meant to be :(
@@kiri7010 Yup! Reading a lot of theories here, I assumed they have forgotten about that passage and I don’t really blame them since you have to find it on a shelf or something to read it. I honestly only remembered the book after so many years because that was the first time I became really suspicious of Mary during my first playthrough of Ib. For context, when you read the line with Mary (and I think Garry is there too), Marry’s response to the line is just “...........” with a serious face. I would’ve been less suspicious of her if she said that the sentence was weird or strange, but because of her silence, something was telling me that she has probably already read it or has already knew the concept of paintings swapping with living beings, and that gave me a bad feeling about her lol. (Also adding to make it clearer just in case: The swapping rules only applies to paintings / the imaginary since Ib and Garry can leave the cursed gallery alone with no problem.) By the way, for this bad ending I like to jokingly imagine that Mary probably either forgot there were specific rules to successfully swap or she didn’t read them lol. Either way this ending is pretty sad, especially when she calls Garry out as a kind of “last resort” since she was jealous of him for being more close to Ib. I think I may replay Ib again, which might be interesting because the last time I played the game the new version with the two new endings and extra dungeon did not exist yet
@@corrinonacob3893 god its been years since I played ib, definitely something I’m gonna replay soon!!! I love mary but holy fuck did she give red flags from the beginning 😭😭 but I also love that in that scene she stayed silent as if she was either ignoring the rule or didnt read it which perfectly reflects her character, I just wished she couldve gotten a happier life but I’ll never forgive for all the gary slander, homie was a king he shouldve had a happier life too :(( BUT THANK U FOR REMINDING ME I RLLY WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THE HIDDEN FORESHADOWING AND PLAY ALL THE ENDINGS AAAA :DDD
You know I never really liked Mary that much.......until I saw this ending. This is the most depressing ending of all. I feel so sad for Mary. She lost her friends and she can never escape. You poor little baby. :(
So that's what happens inside when they're closed. Inky black paint which eventually covers the walls and floor drips from the ceiling, random artworks wilt and/or turn bloody, relatively threatening messages show up on the walls, and the lighting slowly deteriorates to pitch-black. Huh. I never would've guessed.
mary also is a child and there is noone who teaches her what is good or wrong, just words are told to her...she is to sad and alone to keep that in mind, that can harm even the purest soul.
Because all the gaps have to be filled. There has to be 1 person in the Fabricated World and 2 in the real world. Mary is a painting and can't leave on her own. She has to leave with someone and have the other person take her place. In together forever, she leaves with Ib and Garry takes her place.
First of all, what would you do if you were stuck in a nightmare fueled land? Some people you don't know coming your way, and the only way you get to see the beautiful sunshine once again is to take one of their spots. You wouldn't do it?
actually I think it's more the urgency and want to so badly escape, that she was willing to call Garry. She wasn't particularly fond of him, but she was desperate to escape.
Since he was separated from Ib and went to find her, he went into a room with creepy dolls. Then the door was locked and he didn't find the key in time, so he went crazy and his rose petals dropped a bit.
The theory on the gap between who can leave and who can say seems explanatory at first, but then you have Forgotten Portrait and Welcome to the World of Guertena. Forgotten Portrait is a bit of a stretch since Mary dies in the gallery, but there were 2 people in the real world and 1 in the fabricated world. Thus the balance is disrupted. Then we have Welcome to the World of Guertena. All 3 of them stay back. Starts with 2 out, 1 in, ends with none out, 3 in. So Mary should have been able to leave; there's no logical explanation for why she cannot. She had 2 real hearts to replace her; more than enough.
Hm, From what I can tell, It doesn't matter how many go in, as long as someone goes out with her, and someone replaces her. At least, that's the best explanation I can come up with
That actually makes a lot of sense and covers the plothole by other theories. The question of why someone needs to leave with her could be explained by the fact Mary is depicted as a little child, thus couldn't live on her own.
Or it could be that to Mary "be set free", the gallery needs a sacrifice. No someone to replace Mary, but to die in the gallery, so Mary can "take" his/her place. Its just a theory, thought. Yours is quite interesting also.
Sometimes I wonder if Mary actually did escape to the real world, well, this might happen: (After escaping the gallery) Mary: Yay! I finally got out of the gallery! I now can eat lots of candies, play lots and lots of toys, and other neat things! And- (Twelve years later) Mary: Well this life sucks, how do you get into the painting world again?
They wouldn't let her out because a painting can't live. In order to make herself real, she has to take the life of another person that is real from the other world. Then they'll switch places. But since Mary tried to get out on her own, she was either destroyed or dragged back to where she began. Alone.
She both was and wasn't aware that she isn't human, she couldn't read the book that said she isn't human, so she didn't have a definitive answer. But yeah, lets leave it there.
I guess that she escaped in the "Together Forever" because she didn't tell the Strained Ear, she just escaped with Ib. There she told she was leaving, then the world didn't accept it, so it happened :/
I think it's like, in times of desperate situations, you'll call anyone's name, even the name of the people you're not too fond of. Imagine if you were in that hell, you might even call the name of a bully! Seeing anyone else is better than being alone in that, I think. XD
I just created a new theory --> what if Mary is allucinating? She is suffering because she isn't a real girl, and of course, be in the fabricated world could be really stressfull.... But what is she allucinating? Maybe the dolls? But then we need to consider that Gary is alucinating, too, because he also see the dolls. Maybe she is alone in the fabricated world, and then she allucinated with Ib and Gary. Maybe she is a real girl, the first one to get doomed in the fabricated world. And then, she went crazy. It would explain why she have a painting (when Gary dies, he turns into a painting), or maybe she ia dead. Omg, is that how it looks when you die? MAMA I DON'T WANNA DIE!!!! ok, I just took it toooo far!
@@nghinguyen-xo4xy oh thanks! about the lights, well, i think she died. i really think mary was supposed to be in the galery. like, it is her destiny, because she's a painting. i'm not saying she is supposed to die while trying to leave, but in this ending, garry and ib were suffering a lot, and i think it was like a punishment of the galery for just leave them there and try to be something she is not. like, the galery/fabricated world itself, i feel like it has a kind of conscience, you know? maybe it is guertena's spirit in there, that would explain why she screamed "father!" when she died. sorry if i am tooking this way to far, its just because i love this game sz
@@sofii9260 damn I love this game too. I just wonder how a painting could die (except for burning it). Cz she’s not an ordinary human like ib and Garry. My theory is when she called out father at the last part, Guertena was literally there and put her back to her painting frame;-;. And locked her there forever:(
@@sofii9260 idk why but this is my most favorite ending:// cz the other endings one of them must die or ib all alone which is tooo depressing. I think this one is the nicest. (I like sad ending anyway:)
do you guys have the link for download of this version? the vgperson's translation has a font which is very hard to read, and i'm still learning english :(
asdfjkl; All Mary wanted was to go out to see the world and interact with people. The only ending where she actually does that would be in 'Together, Forever.' Sadly, a lot of people seemed to not like Mary because Garry had to die for that ending to be obtained.(but she's so lovable) This ending makes me really sad because she never realizes what she really is and is stuck in a dark abyss, probably, forever. She trusted her first two friends til the very end. Ahhh. I'll just go cry in a corner.
Personally, I always assumed she only had to swap places with someone - not necessarily kill them. Killing them just ensures they won't get in her way, which Garry was likely to do.
Actually, according to the wiki, Mary must kill a person before she could get out. However, she did not do so. So when Mary jump into that painting, I probably think that she is still in the gallery world because the rose sculptor is yellow instead of red
Her heart is fabricated, and she therefor does not belong in this world. She can't stay, and Guertena personally saw to it that she will not stay. It's just like everyone disappeared after Ib viewed the painting, and obviously she doesn't belong in the fabricated world, either. What does not make sense is that in "Together Forever", Mary apparently has no trouble being in the real world. I think this is Guertena punishing her for misbehaviour, but who knows?
Well in my point of view, I don't quite think that one necessarily needs to die in order for Mary to get an ''empty slot''. She could have simply left Garry in the Fabricated World while she and Ib would escape, and the man would remain trapped inside. However, in this case she left both Ib and Garry. She only took the place of ONE of them and left an unfilled gap in the Real World, therefore disrupting the balance between the number of residents in both worlds. She needed to take something in.
Mary is so innocent when it comes to this.I'd rather die if I'm her.Picture this: Your a girl alone in a maze of paintings and the grim side of life,and you haven't seen or know anything around you.Everything is just in complete darkness. Slowly,the paintings come alive,you hear a voice telling you to play with them.But you're just too afraid to do so. You continue to run endlessly,but there was no way out,you're just all alone,trapped in this world even if you managed to escape,you will die.
I think she was required to take the place of someone else. Not merely their existence, that is. She decided early on that she would leave with Ib, so Garry was doomed from the start. But in this ending, she did not take the place of Garry (who would've been Ib's friend). Technically she is a surrogate for both of them..
The problem with this ending, is that it seems to be trying to say that Mary both IS and ISN'T aware of the fact that she's a painting. She talks to the other art, but can't read the page saying that she isn't human.
Oh, but it is good to remind that in the "Together, Forever" ending, Mary kills Garry. According to that book, it is possible to fantasy to turn real when a 'heart' is exchanged (or something like that). So in that case, she furfilled the requirement to come back. Notice that when Mary crossed the painting in "Together, Forever" ending, she did came to the real world, while in "A Painting's Demise", she was in the same place where Ib "entered" in the Fabricated World...
Another new ending could be the view point of Gary if he and Ib both made it but only Gary went through the painting and Ib was left behind. It would give a chance to explain what Gary had come to the gallery for in the first place and maybe add some new character details. It would be interesting.
There's a few fan comics that show a self-sacrifice ending, but I think it would be way too popular of a choice. Because Ib is more or less you, and you personally do not *actually* die, you feel no sense of loss sacrificing yourself. However, if someone else dies, they die in their own universe. Unlike the character representing you, they're totally gone. I think Kouri saw that coming and kept his options off.
In the Together Forever ending Mary made it out to the real world fine because she used Garry as a medium.. She killed garry in order to take his place in the real world.. Where as in this ending She didnt use any of Ib and Garry and instead just left them. Its like an equivalent exchange kinda thing..
She just replaces the person, she doesn't assume their role. Plus, earlier in the game she says that she wants to get out with Ib, implying that she wants to be with Ib.
I've never really liked Mary up until now... But after seeing this ending, I just can't think the same way anymore, poor little thing TT_TT *Go cry in a corner*
No, because she needed to go outside WITH someone, with Ib or Garry, neither Garry or Ib died, she just left them behind, Garry crazy and Ib despondent, but alive. Mary wasn't human, she couldn't read that book that told that Mary is nothing but a painting, she isn't real and because there was no life for her to take over, she couldn't truly escape.
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That doll room will forever be the most unnerving place in the entire game.
Yep. I remember nearly crying of stress while trying to find the key lol.
bro I can't even get past that place where you have to run away from those paintings/mannequins when getting locked in that room (the one with ib parents paintings)
although this ending is very depressing, I think it's cute how Mary thinks of the paintings and Guertena like family
Snow London, well she is supposedly a painting of guertena’s daughter or granddaughter and is his last painting
This is one of my least favorite endings. Mary just wants to be REAL. She sacrificed a lot to get out, her only friends, and then she finally reaches it. She reaches the moment she's waited forever for. And all she finds is her doom. She just wanted to have a real life and she can't have one. God, this game is great, but the endings are depressing as hell.
If you think, that Ib's ending are depressing, it means you never play Witch's House.
Actually...if I am correct she needed to actually get one of them killed,hence why she could leave when Garry is killed if you give Mary his rose,so she didn't do it fully.
@@danielkiran8174 yes sadly viola can't take her body back ellen take it from her and let her in pain
I have a theory about this ending and I've had it for quite some time now. I think Mary can't leave the Art Gallery because she's not a real girl. Only a painting. She doesn't know about the real world. I think there was this one point in the game where you check a beach painting and she asks you if she could eat the beach. She wouldn't be able to survive in the real world with the little knowledge she has of it. That's why she can only leave with Ib (or Garry) and maybe that's why two people were sent down there instead of one. Mary needed a role model to help her guide through life in the real world but also needed someone to take her place in the painting.
Alas, this is just a theory. But the new Mary endings are bone-chilling.
I like this theory :D and I remember that, she asked if you could eat the tree in the painting.. I think it would be sweet if Ib taught her about the real world.
Thank you! :) And yes, that's be so cute! Just imagine it, teacher Ib and student Mary!
Gkvfflowergirl that's a good theory....
What about it?
***** Part of my theory is that because she is a painting, she doesn't know about the real world that much. She's stuck in Guertena's gallery. Mary was able to get out with either Ib or Garry because she has a someone to show her the ropes of the real world. And because she's young, it wouldn't be that suspicious if she asked.
I say this is the worst ending, since Ib, Garry AND Mary (though I didn't like her very much) all get terrible fates.
True, Ib never sees her parents again, Garry will be trapped for eternity, and Mary will never fully fulfill her dream of being outside.
Ib and Garry both starve to death since Garry is trapped in his insanity phase where he clearly doesn’t care about his physical state enough to go eat or drink something and Ib stays with him until she passes away of hunger or thirst (just like in the ending “Welcome to the World of Guertena” but without Mary). And then you have Mary, who stays in darkness all alone to become even more lonely and truly insane if she doesn’t die somehow. So yes, this is the worst ending possible.
theory: mary can't get to the real world on her own because she has no preconceived perception of how exactly it looks and feels, no tangible memories of the reality outside the world of guertena she's lived in all her life. all she has are vestigial and vague memories of the guertena world and the assumption that the gallery in her world is a replication of the real gallery. outside from that, she has no basis to go on to essentially reinvent the real world, and to return to it. that's why the reality of the real gallery crumbles so quickly, allowing guertena's world to slip through the seams and destroy her for leaving. it ties in with ib's themes of illusion and deception, too.
her status as a painting from the guertena world replacing ib and garry in the real world may also come into play: the dimensions reject the imbalance, creating friction and blurring the lines between reality and the guertena world, because a painting cannot equate to two real, living people.
with ib or garry, she can draw on their memories to recreate the world and its people, and also concurrently rely on them as an anchor to the real world. this also checks out with the equivalence theory: with one person left behind in the gallery and two people returning to the real world.
in the case of the ending where ib returns alone, perhaps her ties to the real world keep her alive. after all, she _belongs_ there. no gallery's going to crush her for leaving.
_of course, this theory also creates the possibility that ib and garry never return to the real world in any ending, even "promise of reunion". it's the ultimate catch-22. after all, they may just be creating a phantasm, a ghost of the world they know, with their memories of the real world. who knows? they may have been lost forever in an alternate reality either way._
man i really like this theory i hope it's canon
pretty cool and scary theory but how about one where mary and ib got out
I like how Mary refers to the Lady in Red as “Big Sis” because they were made by the same person. It’s a small detail but it’s nice to know this Psychopath has some feelings
I had a dream when I was 11 or 12; there could have been more to it, but all I remember was being surrounded by darkness, nothingness, with constant white noise in my ears. And I knew, that I was trapped alone in this place forever and would never see my family or friends again. As I woke up, I realized the white noise was the fan that I had on every night and that it was my room that was dark, the way I liked... It's the one time in my life that I remember waking up crying.
This ending gives me the same feeling of despair. T_T
This makes me feel sorry for Mary...I mean yeah she was crazy and willing to sacrifice both ib and Garry and leave then to rot in the gallery she herself was trying to escape from, but she was still a little girl who just wanted a real friend and life....
I NEVER FEEL SORRY FOR HER (
Maybe a little )
She was mean and she's evil and Garry's not her dad she just thinks he is
kat conrad when Mary says dad its talking about the artist, who created her
Ik ik but I still hate her
kat ib viola Conrad actually she dreamed of leaving the gallery with a friend. She was jealous of Garry because he liked Ib and Ib liked him. She let jealousy get the best of her. Though it may not seem like it but I think Mary actually cares about Garry she just had to sacrifice Ib or Garry and since she liked Ib more she chose Garry as a sacrifice. If she didn't have to sacrifice anybody and could leave with both of them, she wouldn't be jealous of Garry and she'd like him a bit more. She even called out for Garry for his help and that showed a little trust. I don't hate any characters in this game except for the fake mom and the evil paintings. Mary is fine.
Don't care
Still better ending than the true ending of Witch's House.
Daniel Kiran I have no idea which one could be worse. One thing that they have in common is that they both suck.
Daniel Kiran I have no idea which one could be worse. One thing that they have in common is that they both suck.
Daniel Kiran Why? It's a pretty well handled twist. Not everything has to have a happy end you know.
*****
To me these endings are so good that they're bad.
In witch house even the true ending are bad ending 😕
As crazy as Mary is, I can't help but feel sorry for her in this ending. All she wanted was a real life and a friend. And for all of you who say she deserves this ending, remember this: at least she isn't as bad as Ellen from The Witch's House or (this is my opinion and is up for debate) Aya from Mad Father.
Quite a late reply, I know, but I humbly think Ellen is the worst. She basically made a deal with a demon and robbed everything from Viola with no shred of remorse at all...Viola being stuck in Ellen's old body is nothing short of utter despair. Losing both legs, can't talk due to the destroyed vocal chord as well as blindness... She's even worse than a demon whom she made a deal with, to be sure...
And there's Aya, however.... she's but a victim of a...twisted genealogy: a sociopathic mother and...yeah..a mad father with a murderous instinct. Like Mary (if she was a real girl), she'd become an even better girl if she was raised by someone else apart from her real parents.
Mary really isn't evil. She's just a sentient painting who wants to escape the paint world and become a real life person. She's so alone and she wants friends. That's why she wanted to trade her existence with Garry so that she could have a taste of the real world. She was painted as a child so she had the mind of a child. She was very ignorant and naive...
Surely I can't be the only one feeling sorry for her?
Using the chain reaction in this game I could record all of the chronological events in this bad ending.
- Garry enters the Doll Room
- The exit is being locked.
- A giant blue doll emerges right onto the frame.
- Garry decides to be doomed inside the doll room.
- Ib and Mary's turn to be the next target of a sinister bad luck.
- Ib takes the Brown Key inside the color room.
- Ib unlocks the Brown Door.
- Ib and Mary enters the stairway that leads to the Purple Room.
- Upon entering, the two heard strange voices emanating from the Doll Room
- Entering the Doll Room, Garry is completely insane.
- In a deviating time, Ib becomes depressed as a result of Garry's insane behavior.
- Garry and Ib refuse to leave with Mary.
- Mary leaves.
- Mary dawdles around the Purple Room and strange things begin to happening.
- Leaving the Purple Room and entering the stairs to the Cursed Gallery, more and more strange things occur.
- After entering the ginormous painting, she is being played with a sick, twisted game in the Real Museum until she is destroyed to oblivion.
they really should make an ending with all 3 happily together!!!
Well no matter how much you wish it, it won't be possible. It's because Mary is so different from the two, she's a painting not a real girl and there has to be a sacrifice needed. I personally do want a ending where they have happiness together but it always ends up one of them disappearing or being sacrificed. It's sad, this story. T.T
Kise Ryouta I know but you just can't help it.....
***** im pretty sure marys only imagining things, she will never meet her father as she cannot technically die, she isnt real thus she cannot die for real, its quite sad
***** there pls leave like and give mme support for a revvised full version of ib and the true end,
"garry are you okay?" ib said with a face of concern, "dont worry ib ill be fine" "loves me" an almost hysteric voice goes through the hallway as the plucking of ones heart begins. garry feels the shock going through him, and he started to feel, tired. "loves me not" the same voice goes through "dont worry ib im fine" ib stared at garry not with worry but with regret, like she knows that grief is coming "loves me, loves me not, loves me, loves me not, loves me, loves me not" garry had ony mad it a third of the way until he collapsed. "go on ahead ib" he said in a dying voice "ill catch up dont worry" "i just need to sleep awhile" then a dreaded voice came through "LOVE ME! yay she loves me she loves me" ib looked at garry, he waas fast asleep. "garry?" ib waited for a reply, when none came she tried again "garry please wake up its dangerous here remember?" and again "please wake up" and again "please" with tears rolling down her cheeks, ib then hugged him as hard as she could trying to stir something in him, but to no avail, it wasn't a hug to welcome the living, it was a hug goodbye. then something dropped, it was garrys lighter, ib seeing this, knew what she had to. no what she wanted to do, she ate the candy garry gave her to make room for the lighter, though it hurt her so to do that, she felt like she needed to do this, ib went up the stairs until she found mary who greeted here with a smile, ib! take a look she brought over garrys plucked rose. anger glinted in ibs eyes. "i did the love me thing where you pluck a rose to see whether they love you, and it says you love me! you do right ib" mary asked with a still smiling face. "yes i do" ib replied "yay now we can get out together now that we ditched that man!" "but first, can you show me some of your things?" mary eyes glinted "sure!" she then pulled out a toy box and started ruffling through it, while mary was busy ib approached a portrait at the side of her room labelled mary. "hey ib here something!" when mary turned around to her friend, she saw ib holding a flame. below her portrait. with a face of utter hate.
mary stared in shock at what her friend was holding, a flame over her portrait. for every human here they have a rose to represent their heart. for every painting a portrait and the painting becomes whatever the portrait becomes, in this case pile of lifeless ashes, and holding that is ib, the calm girl who doesn't express much of her feelings. but is showing a face of pure hatred, of anger, of loss. "what are you doing ib?" ib stared at her with an evil eye and replied "im going to kill you" mary taken aback by the word said "but why i thought we were friends and that we could escape here happily" "i thought that too" ibs voice suddenly went soft almost merciful "i thought we could be friends, but now after what you've done, it is clear that will never happen. goodbye mary i truly liked you" "wait ib please dont" ib lit the portrait "ib please dont! im sorry im sorry!" and ib replied in a tone almost evil voice "i dont forgive you"
"haaaaah!" a wailing voice came out of nowhere and a trail of water splashed across the fire, putting what evil it may hold, out. ib was the first to respond "garry?". garry catching his breath let out a sigh. that was a close one, ib you know you shouldnt be playing with fi-" garrys sentence was interrupted by a sudden tackle to the chest from ib. "ib what are you-", "im glad." ib said in soft sobs "im so glad your awake" with tears running down her cheeks. garry looked at her and smiled "you didnt think i just leave you right?" garry then turned to mary who was staring at him with small tears forming. "i guess you want a hug to huh?" he joked. "why?" "how?"garry took some time to recollect his thoughts "heh it might take some time to explain how but. i ca explain why so-" "why?" mary cut in "i tried to keep you here for ever, tried to hurt you tried to kill you! why did you save me i dont understa-" marys sentence was interrupted by garry grabbing her and forcing her into a group hug "you know its rude to interrupt people. i saved you because i found something that i never told ib about." garry took out a book, written in bad handwriting was marys diary, "i kinda read this and saw how you were alone and wanted a real friend. and even though your methods are questionable im sure we can still be friends, so mary what do you sa-" garrys words were once again interrupted but not by words but by guilt and tears "im sorry i so sorry i was scared i panicked i thought you would leave me behind with ib like father did and never come back for me! im sorry for plucking your rose im sorry for threatening you i-" she went on like she was confessing to god."im sorry im sorry i-" this time Mary was stopped, but not by tears guilt words or anger just a close hug "im sorry too i thought you were evil, i thought you were going to hurt ib just because you were a painting so im sorry for that and besides if you can cry tears im sure you can be our friend too and we can go together, is that fine?" mary stared at garry for a while and just clutched him tightly and continued sobbing not in pain sadness guilt jealousy, she cried in happiness, like none she ever felt before. "sigh" "whoever see he day i have to girls crying and sobbing over me, literally" he looked at the two and gave a contempt smile "well i guess we all just have to get out together if we want to be happy and that's a promise."
"he he he" a voice of pure spite reached out through the museum. " this has gotten quit interesting indeed, whoever thought he could win over lady Mary." "hehehe" "im gonna have fun with this" and as the peaceful events go on below, an evil presence starts forming above, "even when garry promised that they will all get out, he knows deep inside that may not happen, and if they all cant get out. he will choose to stay" "thats because thats the man he is. like the gentle king, no not gentle. the blue king! hehe that sounds good" the blue king the painted yellow lady and the red princess and the black rose.
There's always Welcome to the World of Guertena, if you consider that "happy"
I know I'm not supposed to, but I feel bad for Mary.
You are supposed to feel bad for her.
If they..all 3 were to get out I could only imagine Mary would have to be as a painting instead of a human. I mean it's not as if you see her painting out in the gallery anyway..either way though..unfortunate to be Mary.
She could never have a happy ending with Ib and Garry. She's a painting. She'll be stalked by whoever is being all of this. Plus, Ib and Garry would never let her come along. Even though, all she wants is to be loved.
God this ending makes me so fucking sad. I love Mary and this just breaks my heart
One of the things that really makes this ending is the lack of music or sound.
What apart from the ominous footsteps and leaking paint?
TT~TT none of the endings are ever good
together forever
promise of reunion
world of geuterna
NEVER HAPPY
Promise of Reunion is happy!
They promise to meet again, and anime/manga standards means that they will.
+Monique Kalu Still gotta kill Mary, tho, and some like her.
Like I said before: Poor Mary...
After being trapped there all this time, wanting nothing more than to just get out and live as a normal person, it's no wonder Mary would go insane like she did.
Wh-what? This can't be true... Right?
The only good thing about this is we get to play as you.
(Crying) MAAAAARRRRRYYYYY DONT DIIIIIIIIIUE UR MY FAVORIIIITE!!!
I didn't ever like Mary, not even from the first meeting. But this sucks to much... I think that this is the worst ending by far.
It's 2019 and l still waiting ib, Mary and Garry get out together and in The credit's puts pictures of they having fun in The real World ;-;
Haaaaaaa, every bad end is so fucking depressing. Even the good ends for Mary or Gary end up being depressing in the own right. Event when both Mary and Gary escape its STILL FUCKING DEPRESSING because well...... That final painting of Ib...... That was just to sad. The sacrifice and the remembering in the end..... God why couldn't their be an ending where all 3 are alive that involves some really complicated as fuck puzzles, trapping some true evil villian dude in the painting, adds like a 2 hour extension onto the game and ultimately giving you a satisfying ending that can be considered a true ending. The climactic crash.
wait, where is this ending? I haven't seen it, and I'm sure I've seen them all.
The Chaotic Shadow It's kind of at the end. Mary catches up to them and argues some other stuff. Then Ib has the choice of going with Mary, Gary or sacrificing herself. If you choose the sacrifice ending Ib tears up her own rose then pushes Gary and Mary though so they can both live. Mary becomes Gary's sister and they all forget everything. Then Mary see's Ib's painting, the painting was a picture of Ib tangled in some spikey as hell vines with torn up rose petals scattered all around her. This causes Mary to remember everything and then she starts crying because Ib basically dies. In other words she's very sad that Ib died or is trapped or whatever you want to call it and she just falls down on her knees and starts crying while apologizing to Ib while Gary is standing there with a what the fuck is going on look on his face.
lildanial1 It took me a little while, but I did find it. However, it only exists in this so called "Green version" of the game. It's fan made and the original creator denounced it. Supposedly, he doesn't like it.
The Chaotic Shadow Are you positive about that? I thought it was released as a new patch to the game along with the other endings.
lildanial1 Nope. Fanmade version.
I like this ending better than Welcome to the World of Guertena. At least here Ib and Garry are (presumably) still alive and not having their roses devoured by painting women.
astaraelsget honestly
Mary is so cute she didn't deserve to die!!! ......=(
If she really died in this ending, it will be better. But, you know what? She WON'T die in this ending. She's a picture. So she will forever be alone with darkness and sorrow again. That's worse...
she was just a little kid...................
At first I did hate her for what she did to Garry, but this ending literally gave me chills. She's trapped in the darkness alone and there's nothing she can do to escape, but it would be just as terrifying being with Garry and Ib who have just given up.
I thought there'd be an image of a dead Mary...
...What have I gotten myself into?
Mary the flowey...
In the bug room, there is a dot on the floor that moves around (It's supposed to be a shadow) and when you talk to it, it says things that you would think Guertena would say. I think that is supposed to be his spirit or ghost or whatever. And that spirit or ghost wanted Mary to come back, which is why Mary says "father!" at the end.
Just saying.
This ending is the worst. The only good thing about it is that you get to play as Mary.
I do wonder though... What would have happened if Mary decided to mercy kill both of them? What would happen if she escaped afterwards?
So I guess if Mary doesn't kill someone then she can't leave and sence they both are still alive it didn't work poor Mary if I could I would die so Mary,Ib,and Garry could leave.
I feel sorry for Mary...;-; She's got to be one of the most realistic villains in all these RPG horror titles, and she isn't even real in the game's world...
Looks like i'm the only one who thinks that Mary deserves it. I understand that she's lonely inside, she just want a friend and excited to go to real world, but it's like, you should know your place, your world are different 😔
Moreover, if Ib and Garry trapped in some unknown world then Mary too trapped in real world is considered fair
I don't even think that is the real world per se. Or maybe, it IS, but she corrupted it by getting out of the painting in the first place. In our eyes she's still nothing. But in her eyes, it's a nightmare as she is the only one to face the real world.
Yo, I'll take this ending over Together, Forever. Letting Mary into the real world is like releasing an exotic zoo animal into the wild: yeah, I feel sorry for it having to stay in a cage, but nothing good will come from setting it free.
The game makes it abundantly clear that Ib, without prompting from the player, becomes attached to Garry. There's nothing and I mean _nothing_ in this game that even suggests to me that Ib likes Mary at all.
Together, Forever, to me, is the most sadistic ending in the game. Ib is forced to witness her close friend and only protector in the art world die a slow, painful death, and his killer gets off scott-free, getting her (undeserved) happy ending while he's completely forgotten. I just can't fathom how anyone can call that a happy ending.
The background noise at 10:28 is a paintbrush painting on a canvas.
I think that the reason mary couldnt go into the normal world was because she upset the balance. its like the regular world and distortion world; one cant exist without the other, and if the balance between them isnt kept the universe does whatever it can to put things back in order. its the same with this ending, in order for mary to go into the normal world she had to take either ibs or garys place, which wouldve been okay bc its balanced. but in this ending they both ended up staying (alive) and she went through the portrait anyway, so ultimately she birthed a new dimension, one entirely on her own to keep the order of the worlds. I also think she was put there bc she is neither art nor human, she didnt fit into the categories so she failed to enter the normal realm and couldnt go back to the original one or it just wouldnt be right. I think her ending is proper sad bc all she wanted was real company and now she has to spend the rest of eternity in a dark and gloomy world all by herself, which is ironic and has a nice uplifting message of dont be greedy lmao
yeah i think ur right about the balance part. i dont know if this was a false memory of mine or something because the last time i played ib was years ago but i think there was some book or paper (idk) in the gallery that said something along the lines that in order to escape you must take the place of a living being, being either ib or garry in this case.
edit: so i looked it up and i was right about the "taking the place of someone" bit being mentioned in-game. there's a book that you can read in the gallery called Theorims Of This World and there's a line in it saying "[v]ia a trading of existences, / the imaginary can be made reality." so it could be concluded that mary couldn't make it to the real world because the balance was disrupted; two people are supposed to escape while one person stays in the gallery, but in this ending one person tries to escape while two people stay in the gallery (mary did not trade places correctly), so that's why she ended up still being stuck in the cursed gallery.
@@corrinonacob3893 omg its been so long since I played I forgot all about that!!! so this ending was foreshadowed a lot sooner in the story which I think is p cool :) this game is good every time I come back to it I discover something I didnt see before or little innuendos, I do feel awful for mary but then again, she shouldve known that it wasnt meant to be :(
@@kiri7010 Yup! Reading a lot of theories here, I assumed they have forgotten about that passage and I don’t really blame them since you have to find it on a shelf or something to read it. I honestly only remembered the book after so many years because that was the first time I became really suspicious of Mary during my first playthrough of Ib.
For context, when you read the line with Mary (and I think Garry is there too), Marry’s response to the line is just “...........” with a serious face. I would’ve been less suspicious of her if she said that the sentence was weird or strange, but because of her silence, something was telling me that she has probably already read it or has already knew the concept of paintings swapping with living beings, and that gave me a bad feeling about her lol.
(Also adding to make it clearer just in case: The swapping rules only applies to paintings / the imaginary since Ib and Garry can leave the cursed gallery alone with no problem.)
By the way, for this bad ending I like to jokingly imagine that Mary probably either forgot there were specific rules to successfully swap or she didn’t read them lol. Either way this ending is pretty sad, especially when she calls Garry out as a kind of “last resort” since she was jealous of him for being more close to Ib. I think I may replay Ib again, which might be interesting because the last time I played the game the new version with the two new endings and extra dungeon did not exist yet
@@corrinonacob3893 god its been years since I played ib, definitely something I’m gonna replay soon!!! I love mary but holy fuck did she give red flags from the beginning 😭😭 but I also love that in that scene she stayed silent as if she was either ignoring the rule or didnt read it which perfectly reflects her character, I just wished she couldve gotten a happier life but I’ll never forgive for all the gary slander, homie was a king he shouldve had a happier life too :(( BUT THANK U FOR REMINDING ME I RLLY WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THE HIDDEN FORESHADOWING AND PLAY ALL THE ENDINGS AAAA :DDD
Shit.. That.. MAKES ME ANGRY! F***ing piece of sh*t! Why is not that ending?! Garry, Ib and Mary alive and out that creepy world?! T_T
noooooooooo poor Mary whyyyy can't she have a happy ending with Ib and Garry alreadyyyy ;~;
You know I never really liked Mary that much.......until I saw this ending.
This is the most depressing ending of all.
I feel so sad for Mary.
She lost her friends and she can never escape.
You poor little baby. :(
Wow, I Found Picture Of Garry, Ib And Mary... They All Look Happy With Each Others, **smiled**
After all she has done... I don't think she deserves THIS. Sure she tried to kill Garry and Ib but still, no one deserves this fate. It's cruel.
I teared up, poor Mary, all she wanted was friends :( aw i feel so bad now, she has always been my favorite.
To headless statue: "Can you move for a sec? I need to go down."
Headless statue moves.
"Yaaay!"
all you need to do is ask lmao
She KILLS and replaces Garry's "place" in the real world.
Big sis!!!!
Now you know what it's like in the real world Mary!!! It's never easy being human...
This is the saddest ending for me
I'm sorry Mary. But I do agree that wonderland was very...unusual. ... and disturbing...and made Garry scared.
So that's what happens inside when they're closed. Inky black paint which eventually covers the walls and floor drips from the ceiling, random artworks wilt and/or turn bloody, relatively threatening messages show up on the walls, and the lighting slowly deteriorates to pitch-black. Huh. I never would've guessed.
every time I see the part with Gary talking to himself, looking insane, I just want to cry
this is the worst ending! none of them get out but its worst than welcome to the world of Grutene :C
when the music got faster things just gone wrong ;A;
That's fucking creepy
mary also is a child and there is noone who teaches her what is good or wrong, just words are told to her...she is to sad and alone to keep that in mind, that can harm even the purest soul.
This was a very sad ending
5:36 for a second I thought it said "Conquer the Unicorn" lol
Because all the gaps have to be filled. There has to be 1 person in the Fabricated World and 2 in the real world. Mary is a painting and can't leave on her own. She has to leave with someone and have the other person take her place. In together forever, she leaves with Ib and Garry takes her place.
THIS...IS...THE BEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN IB!!!
First of all, what would you do if you were stuck in a nightmare fueled land? Some people you don't know coming your way, and the only way you get to see the beautiful sunshine once again is to take one of their spots. You wouldn't do it?
actually I think it's more the urgency and want to so badly escape, that she was willing to call Garry. She wasn't particularly fond of him, but she was desperate to escape.
Since he was separated from Ib and went to find her, he went into a room with creepy dolls. Then the door was locked and he didn't find the key in time, so he went crazy and his rose petals dropped a bit.
The theory on the gap between who can leave and who can say seems explanatory at first, but then you have Forgotten Portrait and Welcome to the World of Guertena.
Forgotten Portrait is a bit of a stretch since Mary dies in the gallery, but there were 2 people in the real world and 1 in the fabricated world. Thus the balance is disrupted.
Then we have Welcome to the World of Guertena. All 3 of them stay back. Starts with 2 out, 1 in, ends with none out, 3 in.
So Mary should have been able to leave; there's no logical explanation for why she cannot. She had 2 real hearts to replace her; more than enough.
Hm, From what I can tell, It doesn't matter how many go in, as long as someone goes out with her, and someone replaces her. At least, that's the best explanation I can come up with
That actually makes a lot of sense and covers the plothole by other theories. The question of why someone needs to leave with her could be explained by the fact Mary is depicted as a little child, thus couldn't live on her own.
Or it could be that to Mary "be set free", the gallery needs a sacrifice. No someone to replace Mary, but to die in the gallery, so Mary can "take" his/her place. Its just a theory, thought. Yours is quite interesting also.
That makes less sense than the other theory; Mary is, theoretically, alive, so the fact someone has to come out with her made more sense.
Sometimes I wonder if Mary actually did escape to the real world, well, this might happen:
(After escaping the gallery)
Mary: Yay! I finally got out of the gallery! I now can eat lots of candies, play lots and lots of toys, and other neat things! And-
(Twelve years later)
Mary: Well this life sucks, how do you get into the painting world again?
Yeah, true indeed. Life isn't all about candies and friends. ◉‿◉
1:16 - WHAT IN GOD'S NAME IS THAT!? 😨😵
They wouldn't let her out because a painting can't live. In order to make herself real, she has to take the life of another person that is real from the other world. Then they'll switch places. But since Mary tried to get out on her own, she was either destroyed or dragged back to where she began. Alone.
Thank you! Father worked really hard on me, you know.
Same.
the creepiest ending i think..
She both was and wasn't aware that she isn't human, she couldn't read the book that said she isn't human, so she didn't have a definitive answer.
But yeah, lets leave it there.
I guess that she escaped in the "Together Forever" because she didn't tell the Strained Ear, she just escaped with Ib. There she told she was leaving, then the world didn't accept it, so it happened :/
I think it's like, in times of desperate situations, you'll call anyone's name, even the name of the people you're not too fond of. Imagine if you were in that hell, you might even call the name of a bully! Seeing anyone else is better than being alone in that, I think. XD
I just created a new theory --> what if Mary is allucinating? She is suffering because she isn't a real girl, and of course, be in the fabricated world could be really stressfull....
But what is she allucinating?
Maybe the dolls? But then we need to consider that Gary is alucinating, too, because he also see the dolls.
Maybe she is alone in the fabricated world, and then she allucinated with Ib and Gary.
Maybe she is a real girl, the first one to get doomed in the fabricated world. And then, she went crazy. It would explain why she have a painting (when Gary dies, he turns into a painting), or maybe she ia dead.
Omg, is that how it looks when you die? MAMA I DON'T WANNA DIE!!!!
ok, I just took it toooo far!
Wow, I love ur theory. But u know what happened to marry next after the light went off???
Yes. Maybe she was a real person, then got replaced by the previous painting. Then she stuck in the fabricated world. Then got insane.😱😱😱
@@nghinguyen-xo4xy oh thanks! about the lights, well, i think she died. i really think mary was supposed to be in the galery. like, it is her destiny, because she's a painting. i'm not saying she is supposed to die while trying to leave, but in this ending, garry and ib were suffering a lot, and i think it was like a punishment of the galery for just leave them there and try to be something she is not. like, the galery/fabricated world itself, i feel like it has a kind of conscience, you know? maybe it is guertena's spirit in there, that would explain why she screamed "father!" when she died.
sorry if i am tooking this way to far, its just because i love this game sz
@@sofii9260 damn I love this game too. I just wonder how a painting could die (except for burning it). Cz she’s not an ordinary human like ib and Garry. My theory is when she called out father at the last part, Guertena was literally there and put her back to her painting frame;-;. And locked her there forever:(
@@sofii9260 idk why but this is my most favorite ending:// cz the other endings one of them must die or ib all alone which is tooo depressing. I think this one is the nicest. (I like sad ending anyway:)
do you guys have the link for download of this version? the vgperson's translation has a font which is very hard to read, and i'm still learning english :(
asdfjkl; All Mary wanted was to go out to see the world and interact with people. The only ending where she actually does that would be in 'Together, Forever.' Sadly, a lot of people seemed to not like Mary because Garry had to die for that ending to be obtained.(but she's so lovable)
This ending makes me really sad because she never realizes what she really is and is stuck in a dark abyss, probably, forever. She trusted her first two friends til the very end. Ahhh. I'll just go cry in a corner.
Personally, I always assumed she only had to swap places with someone - not necessarily kill them. Killing them just ensures they won't get in her way, which Garry was likely to do.
Actually, according to the wiki, Mary must kill a person before she could get out. However, she did not do so. So when Mary jump into that painting, I probably think that she is still in the gallery world because the rose sculptor is yellow instead of red
Now that Mary has time to escape every painting or her family is calling out to her and they are making her suffer for leaving them.
Her heart is fabricated, and she therefor does not belong in this world. She can't stay, and Guertena personally saw to it that she will not stay. It's just like everyone disappeared after Ib viewed the painting, and obviously she doesn't belong in the fabricated world, either.
What does not make sense is that in "Together Forever", Mary apparently has no trouble being in the real world. I think this is Guertena punishing her for misbehaviour, but who knows?
Well in my point of view, I don't quite think that one necessarily needs to die in order for Mary to get an ''empty slot''. She could have simply left Garry in the Fabricated World while she and Ib would escape, and the man would remain trapped inside.
However, in this case she left both Ib and Garry. She only took the place of ONE of them and left an unfilled gap in the Real World, therefore disrupting the balance between the number of residents in both worlds. She needed to take something in.
Mary is so innocent when it comes to this.I'd rather die if I'm her.Picture this:
Your a girl alone in a maze of paintings and the grim side of life,and you haven't seen or know anything around you.Everything is just in complete darkness.
Slowly,the paintings come alive,you hear a voice telling you to play with them.But you're just too afraid to do so.
You continue to run endlessly,but there was no way out,you're just all alone,trapped in this world even if you managed to escape,you will die.
I wonder if she dies because Ib and Garry still alive..no.. that makes no sense right ?
I think she was required to take the place of someone else. Not merely their existence, that is. She decided early on that she would leave with Ib, so Garry was doomed from the start. But in this ending, she did not take the place of Garry (who would've been Ib's friend). Technically she is a surrogate for both of them..
The problem with this ending, is that it seems to be trying to say that Mary both IS and ISN'T aware of the fact that she's a painting. She talks to the other art, but can't read the page saying that she isn't human.
Oh, but it is good to remind that in the "Together, Forever" ending, Mary kills Garry. According to that book, it is possible to fantasy to turn real when a 'heart' is exchanged (or something like that). So in that case, she furfilled the requirement to come back. Notice that when Mary crossed the painting in "Together, Forever" ending, she did came to the real world, while in "A Painting's Demise", she was in the same place where Ib "entered" in the Fabricated World...
Another new ending could be the view point of Gary if he and Ib both made it but only Gary went through the painting and Ib was left behind. It would give a chance to explain what Gary had come to the gallery for in the first place and maybe add some new character details. It would be interesting.
but little did she know that the museum was closed for the day
There's a few fan comics that show a self-sacrifice ending, but I think it would be way too popular of a choice. Because Ib is more or less you, and you personally do not *actually* die, you feel no sense of loss sacrificing yourself. However, if someone else dies, they die in their own universe. Unlike the character representing you, they're totally gone. I think Kouri saw that coming and kept his options off.
WE ARE MARY????????????????
In the Together Forever ending Mary made it out to the real world fine because she used Garry as a medium.. She killed garry in order to take his place in the real world.. Where as in this ending She didnt use any of Ib and Garry and instead just left them.
Its like an equivalent exchange kinda thing..
Aha.
Lets go cry.
If you pass the doll room but you get high enough on the 'Garry's doom' count, you can actually get together forever.
Actually, that dot is an ant. That's why it wants to see the ant painting.
She just replaces the person, she doesn't assume their role. Plus, earlier in the game she says that she wants to get out with Ib, implying that she wants to be with Ib.
I've never really liked Mary up until now... But after seeing this ending, I just can't think the same way anymore, poor little thing TT_TT *Go cry in a corner*
I think I know what's happening here
Guertena's spirit wants Mary to be inside the other world forever I guess
Oh boy, this world Is so great, there's people everywhere and excitement around every co-
(Gets hit by a car)
Oof. The effort of escaping only to get hit by a car. ◉‿◉
Edit: Got isekai-ed.
I kind of like this ending. At first I thought my computer screen got bugged up or something and turned up the brightness. XD
The ending made me cry! *sniff* Poor Mary! If I were there, I'd let you come and live with me and family!
No, because she needed to go outside WITH someone, with Ib or Garry, neither Garry or Ib died, she just left them behind, Garry crazy and Ib despondent, but alive. Mary wasn't human, she couldn't read that book that told that Mary is nothing but a painting, she isn't real and because there was no life for her to take over, she couldn't truly escape.