Absolutely. People hate in him reacting to stuff, but a lot of them are good. He knows what he’s talking about, he brings great points, he’s passionate, and he doesn’t try and overshadow the original video
@@willyt1170 swear i was watching a video where he was talking about how slept on 5 is and how shite classified is than 5 months later in this video he can’t decide which one he likes more. Lol love lex.
I loved learning Dead of the Night. It felt like learning some of the old maps like Origins or DE, but completely different, and in a good way. Top 5 map at the least for me. I absolutely love it. I also think it works well with the BO4 perk system. I do understand if someone doesnt want to get into it, especially at launch and just coming off of Voyage and Blood. Also since its not aether, even though I enjoyed chaos a lot. Im happy it has literally aged like wine and seeing more love for it recently. Noah needs a reality check Edit: lol he got one 💀
Idk why ZNS gets so much hate, people need to stop comparing it to other bo3 maps and judge it by itself. Interesting EE, amazing cutscene, great wonder weapon, innovation with the sewer and water cave. It is the worst bo3 map but still a B tier map
I agree with everything you said except for great wonder weapon. The kt-4 is literally just the siliquifier 2.0 but without the slidyness when you think about it. Pool of liquid on the floor that murders everything it touches for awhile.
I love how much there is to do on zetsubou. It could keep me entertained for days on need with the amount of side activities and Easter eggs. I also find the plants really cool.
I simply cannot understand where people get the idea of ZNS being a bottom tier map from. Really. The wonder weapon is one of the most heavily incorporated with the actual map itself that it feels satisfying and relieving to get. I mean consistently taking down thrashers until fairly high rounds, melting webs, giving speed boosts, growing plants, etc. On top of that it is fun and while it is just a “worse sliquifier” it is more engaging then the sliquifier was. It is also very strong which lets it be used in high rounds unlike the mk3. More care and thought was put into it then the majority of wonder weapons including some staffs. The cons are it’s limited ammo and long upgrade quest which are fair. It isn’t excessively long as some would make it seem however. The map itself has a magnificent atmosphere and nailed what it was going for. the creepy overgrown and ominous feeling it gives you for a multitude of reasons. one being the great spider mini bosses which fit perfectly into the map. the lack of any human life anywhere on a dark island. the creepy altars with skulls on them. it really feels like the island is out to get you. it’s just a shame that the actual atmosphere itself isn’t as grand as a bloody stalingrad or bustling 1900s city. it’s subtle and overlooked because of that. The spider boss fight is one of the most unique things in zombies and should have returned. It gives more casual players an objective other than a tedious easter egg as well as being just fun. not too hard to complete and you get a free perk out of it too. it’s interesting and i always look forward to doing it. I obviously wish it were slightly more difficult to encourage using all of the weaponry acquired along the way. same with the final boss fight which is the biggest criticism I have of the map. The plant system is interesting and is only hated because of it’s required use. If it weren’t for its requirement for the ee then there are no cons to it. it is just a helpful thing to get you fighting zombies for longer and all it asks for is a second of attention. Lastly the skull is the most fun specialist in all of black ops 3. It is very, very, very good and while some may find that too overpowered I would argue that because it is a specialist that it helps take it down a notch. that as well as the fact it is almost required to take down thrashers to limit you using it too much and making the player be responsible for keeping it ready for one.
First impressions are really important and hard to shake off. Unfortunately, ZNS was plagued by bugs and was generally just disliked by the community at large on yt at launch. I didn’t agree with that sentiment, but I remember a lot of people going with the idea that there was no content for months until GK released because “I don’t like this map, therefore no content for months”
Well because the EE requires too much round progression mixed with the lovely RnG of the Artillery Bullet. The Thrashers are glitchy, do either basic or one shot damage at random times, take alot of resources (especially during the boss fight) with ZERO pay off. They are the entire reason you even go down on Zetsubou's boss fight Not to mention setting up on Zetsubou is just not fun, it is the best looking "Gross" map, and theres really cool concepts. However, all of the worst maps in Treyarchs catalog is paved with great ideas that are executed poorly. So it isnt specific to ZNS, but ZNS is definetly the least user friendly on B03
In actuality, the Masamune is better than the Sliquifier. The only advantage the Sliquifier has over the Masamune is that it's able to chain kills and kill a lot more zombies, however, it doesn't have infinite damage and it can get you killed. The Masamune kills less zombies but it still kills a lot of zombies, it actually does infinite damage, and it doesn't get you killed. Masamune > Sliquifier any day.
I always teeter totter on Die Rise. Sometimes the mere thought of it makes me seethe a little inside thinking of all the bullshit it put me through in the bo2 days, and other times I think about it, Bo4, cold war, and Vanguard, then think to myself, "shit, i'ma play some Die Rise, fuck this."
@@morisco56 Wouldn't say all of bo4. DotN, Classified, and Tag are all better than it. Honorable mention for IX since I personally don't like it, but see why others do.
I think the vibe that "five" had was mostly because nothing was really wrong until you got to the labs, like the first floor look normal the second floor look normal. Meanwhile in classified the first floor had blood all over and all that, same with the second floor which really ruined the unsettling vibe. I mean if the entire place is trashed and covered with blood then the zombies seem to fit in, but if everything looks fine but there's zombies then it really strange and unsettling because you can tell that they didn't break in, they came from inside which is proven when you get to the labs.
Yeah, the very first time I played matchmaking and we took the elevator down to the labs was an experience. I stayed in the elevator with someone and the other two ran into the labs. Such a cool map
@@Matt_History They broke through one window, they didn't even break into the building itself, they just broke into the meeting room. Unless you count Dick as saying :It sounds like someone's breaking in" there is no evidence that the zombies came from outside the building.
Something I don’t think is really considered, (or at least talked about) is the fact that The Giant was a PERFECT map to grind weapon upgrades on mindlessly
god i felt like i was on a whole ass “WAKE UP” acid trip when lex was talking about his theory ab why the apothican servant isnt upgradable on shadows.
Bro this is crazy looking back as some who beat the campaign of waw with his friends before we had internet, though most were starting to we were a little behind so we had no idea zombies was a thing, the look on our faces when that fog hit, the heavy breathing and then the start of round woman’s voice we all learned to love
I relate to chop so much on what he said about voyage pre-release. The trailer for voyage really gave me the same vibe shadows does. Where it is a realistic type setting with fictional aspects tampering with the map. Cthulhu inspired thematic on a 1940's american city for SOE // greek mythology inspired thematic on the titanic. Even though i still have yet to watch the titanic movie and probably have the least amount of knowledge about the titanic. The presentation of voyage's reveal just made me much more hyped about that map than even blood of the dead or IX. I also thought that it would be the next extremely complicated, NOT new player friendly masterpiece that dives deep into gameplay. In regards to my expectations on voyage i also thought that IX would work as a sort DE, where it's extremely accessible for the main setup like perks, weapons and PaP, but deeper into WW upgrades and EE. I guess i was right about IX though...
ive been on a zombies binge recently and watching these lex vids have me laughing EVERY time he gets a sub or dono idk what its for but the "best zombies map of all time ... kind der toten" kills me every time lmao.
The wonder weapons should've been better, and it was a disappointing end to the game, but i also very much like the map. Its visually beautiful, it has a very great atmosphere and is very chill (no pun intended) to play and do all the side quests.
How somebody feels about a map is always based on opinion. There is no definitive answer to that to be honest. It's okay that we all have different feelings regarding maps
I would love to see another colab with the boys of the z-house. I miss all you boys. Just a simple video of y’all reacting to something would be a nostalgia trip and a half.
@@thicccarteronxbox9930 I’m someone that likes to think when I play zombies, I can’t play the old games anymore like I used to because they’re too simple. I get bored by round 15 because I feel like I’ve long done everything in the map by then and by that point it’s just running in circles
@@ryanbollinger1759 in that case it seems u spend more time looking at guides and grabbing parts then playing the game, plus doing those Easter eggs you’re talking about just lets you get OP wonder weapons you can survive to round 100 with anyway so you’re kinda contradicting yourself
@@thicccarteronxbox9930 I’m not contradicting myself at all, I don’t like playing high rounds as it’s too monotonous to me. I run and carry people through Easter eggs and challenge runs. I’m an Easter egg player 100 percent. Also, I don’t need guides anymore. I have all of the information memorized. I haven’t needed a guide for a single Blundell zombies map since I first started playing said map. I would need guides for like 3 days max of playing the map and I got it down. I just like having things to do. I like thinking about how I’m gonna optimize my run and I like speedrunning. I just like the more complex maps and I think they’re better. When I play Cold War maps or WAW maps I just get bored out of my mind because there’s not enough going on for my ADHD brain. If you wanna know my taste in games and what might explain my taste in zombies maps, this is what I like to do: I am a massive fan of the Dark Souls/ FromSoftware games and I have been for a long time. The best first person shooter of all time is Doom Eternal, but Nightmare difficulty is essential so you’re forced to play fast and deal with all of the mechanics and multitude of enemy types. Those are just some opinions, I’m at work and I’ll have more time to explain later. In conclusion, yeah I’m a fan of Treyarch zombies and as the games went on my taste changed to just prefer the more complex and intricate design philosophy of Blundell’s more complex maps.
Tranzit was my first zombies experience, but I mainly played town and bus depot. I would honestly rank tranzit in C tier because it's super super fun with friends and that's what I mainly care about.
Funny story I didn’t play zombies until after BO2 had been out for a while. I did not have the nerve to even open the game mode. Went to my uncles one weekend and he put me on kino der toten for the first time. It was late all the lights were off he left me there by myself for the first 30 minutes. Man was I terrified but I was hooked. I probably didn’t make it past round 7 for a week lol. However my friends had BO2 and I played it for the first time a few months after my first zombies experience. Dude I thought perks were a brand new thing in BO2😅 never once noticed any perk machine in kino other than quick revive. Until we put my copy of BO1 in later that night and my friends all thought I was an idiot. It was a different time though and I didn’t even have internet in my area at all.
Shi No Numa is my favorite map. I remember staying up with my friends waiting for the DLC to come out. It was such a fun and crazy map when it released. One of my favorite memories in Zombies is my friend getting the waffe on our first game, non of us watched the trailer or knew what the gun did. We were all in awe about it. Shi No Numa co-op on WAW is absolutely insane, there was no PAP yet, training wasn't a thing yet, camping strats were the way to go. All four of us stayed in the Comm room and watched windows, took turns using the electric barrier, and the guy with waffe would use it for crowd control. I understand now that Shi No Numa isn't the greatest map, but it has a special place for me.
36:00 I remember when lex would try to hunt for the EE before anyone got to round 150 and he was just ripping his hair out grasping at straws that aren’t there BECAUSE THERE IS NO EASTER EGG
Lex: Chat in my honest opinion Gee Kay has 0 flaws Ch0pper: the only real downside to this map in my opinion would be the Valkyrie drones Lex: I agree chat, I agree
Moons astronaut fucking terrified me the first few times i played. It’s completely silent Steals a fucking perk And puts you in a one hit down state That is some scary ass shit.
"Blood of the Dead has 42 bird locations yet its above Dead of the Night" Yes, why? because its 42 POSSIBLE locations, you only have to find 3 of them, this is also for one EE step. Meanwhile Dead of The Night has 3 possible spots for each of its 12 or so parts that are essential for the basics of setup for the map such as Pack a Punch besides the rest of the annoyances of doing the EE or the Side EEs. You can play Blood casually and have a decent time because its not long or hard to set up, just flip two power switches and blast a power panel with the shield (which youll want anyway), meanwhile the same cannot be said for Zetsubou and Dead of The Night.
Preach! And that is just for setup, the rest of the DOTN EE has something like 70-80 more spawn points you need to know in order to solve it. Now don't get me wrong, DOTN isn't horrible, it isn't the worst map of all time like Noah is saying, but it's a very annoying map to play, especially by yourself. It has great atmosphere and it's in all honestly a very nice starting point for the Chaos storyline, if you play the Chaos maps in storyline order. But it just isn't fun to play.
@@matejkovacic9310 Yea, as well they figured out a trick to tell where the bird locations are everytime. If you stand at the gondola at the prison (not the dock location)at the start of the round with your shield out you can actually see the direction the bird is in. So the bird step isnt even that bad by comparison
@@xvoidxhunter2129 Yeah, I saw the Pizza video on that. Admittedly, that only narrows it down, it doesn't give the exact spawn point, but still, going from 42 of them all over the quite large map, to around 3 or 4 at max in a much more localised area is much better. Though apparently the trick with seeing the bird is much more viable in multiplayer lobbies than it is in a solo lobby. You can still see it in the solo lobby, but instead of a well defined bright blue line across the screen, it shows up as a much smaller line and for a shorter time as well which makes it very likely for a solo player to miss it and being back to just guessing where the bird is. So, I guess it's a mixed biag right now on that front. Honestly, I quite like both Blood and DOTN, I'm just annoyed how people make up excuses for DOTN and it's ridicoulus number of spawn points by bringing up things like atmosphere and visuals, both of which Blood also has to that high standard, and to add to that Blood now has a way for you to massively narrow down the possible spawn points and I'm just left irritated at DOTN for no reason...
If I see one more person complain about the gameplay of zetsubo but then praise origins I’m gonna lose my mind. ZNS is amazing. Top 10 all time. Community is TRIPPING
@@magicm953 well BO4 sucks do no surprise that people hate it, the map itself isn’t bad but the game mechanics sucks in that game which hurts the map so much
I played the shit out of classified at launch. I don’t know why, I just found IX kinda boring after a while. It was super fun at launch but got tiring quick but classified stayed fun. Ultimus was fun and I like the winters howl more then the scorpion gun 💀
@@dutchvanderlinde248 I agree lol I love super fun and broken wonder weapons, so I think I’d like it more if it was just a more fun weapon, granted tho I haven’t done the ee since I don’t really do em often. I know a lot of people love the IX ee
I liturally would piss on everyone who said origins is overrated . When they would come home from school and liturally play that map like it was the last thing they could do before they died. Gameplay is amazing . Staffs were like the best original idea to have been added to this map . Liturally a masterpiece.
It's good but not the best. SoE, DE, Mob, Ancient Evil, and maybe Buried, Zet, Spaceland, and GK are better imo. Staffs are cool but half of them suck, not a huge fan of the layout, mud really ruins it for me. I still like it, but I never boot it up unless someone else wants to run it. Panzer is one of the best boss zombies though, absolutely terrifying.
13:22 “It feels like they just threw zombies in the map and said, ‘Have fun!’” Bruh, that was literally the point. It was new and they needed something to show for it 😂🤦♂️
My first zombies map was genuinely Nacht. I never got the WaW dlc though, so Five and Kino were my second and third maps respectively. Then I never got the bo1 dlc so I was stuck with them until Tranzit. Bless my soul, despite owning both games, I genuinely, consciously chose to play Tranzit and Town over Kino and Five. I was that weirdo that insisted on building and using the jet gun every game, knew exactly how to get all the bus upgrades, and would command the randoms thus delegating the setup like you build this, I'll get power on, you watch the turbine while we pap, then I'll watch it while you do, things like that. I was annoying for sure lol, but damn if I didn't have fun.
Will probably just missed how his family used to be, cause it’s been completely dismantled, his wife, his kids. His relationship with his children has definitely been affected and maybe he just wants that back.
This was interesting. He has a lot of good points, but a lot of the placements don’t make that much sense to me if he’s talking purely about gameplay. Like all of the WaW map placements (except for Der Riese) are weird to me
I’m a oh lover of every zombies but die machine was the best interpretation of nacht we have ever had, it gave us a decent backstory and a lot more of the area too play with that acc felt like nacht in the future
I understand the lore but the way I cope with the Great War map is I ignore that origins was the beginning of primis, and it’s head cannon that origins was the Great War map.
DotN is very different to Origins honestly the things on Origins are easier to understand and easier to Find and its a trash thing when people say Origins has too many collectable things, like mate its only 4 Discs and 12 Staff parts and they are all easy to find, Ice staff is just digging and Fire is just going to round 8, Wind go into the robots and Lightning just using the truck, the discs are very easy to find
Tag dear Toten “a lot of things to gather and fetch quest map”. What are you on about Chopper?? What are you picking up, shield, dynamite, heat pack and if your doing the EE then 3 random parts. That’s it very little so are you playing the right map
I used to grind blood of the dead high rounds, never got far but I did notice one thing, everytime the PAP moves, lightning strikes where it moved to once it appears there
Zetsubou gets royally shit on every single time. It is literally at the very least a good map. It has something for every player and the quest is pretty satisfying. The boss fight is donkey balls but still the quest isn’t hard and the specialist is sick. It has cool visuals and a cool wonder weapon and a new swimming mechanic. It’s a sick map
I really think modded CotD has skewed lex’s view of the map. Like Noah said, a map isn’t good if the only way to enjoy it is with mods. Not that CotD is a bad map, but I just think Lex is severely overvaluing it.
I also wish they put the pentagon thief in classified but after watching lore videos you learn that if yuri was in classified it would’ve broken the timeline
Treyarch employee shows his PowerPoint for the alpha omega cutscenes everyone else in the room- I love it just the way it is we don’t need to make a good cutscene just leave it the way it is
Rai-k is cool but its not cool enough or strong enough to be the WW of an entire map. Shoulda been the second WW that got added in all maps like the mark 2. Coulda definitely had some more innovation with Firebase Z and needed a layout redesign I hate running around on it
Ever since Chaos put Kino Der Toten as Top 1, my life flashed before my eyes.
I convulsed hard af
But it is according to the community…
@@OmnipotentSaiyan no it ain’t. Mob, origins, DE, or shadows are considered the best
I’d say origins is best, mob is second best
What video does lex react to Chaos putting kino as #1?
I honestly wouldn't mind if Lex just reacts to zombies tierlists forever. Always a pleasant surprise!
Its just so entertaining
Plus the best part is that half the time his opinions change randomly
Absolutely.
People hate in him reacting to stuff, but a lot of them are good. He knows what he’s talking about, he brings great points, he’s passionate, and he doesn’t try and overshadow the original video
@@willyt1170 swear i was watching a video where he was talking about how slept on 5 is and how shite classified is than 5 months later in this video he can’t decide which one he likes more. Lol love lex.
1:45:18 That shit made me jump so hard. I was not expecting that holy cow.
I loved learning Dead of the Night. It felt like learning some of the old maps like Origins or DE, but completely different, and in a good way. Top 5 map at the least for me. I absolutely love it. I also think it works well with the BO4 perk system. I do understand if someone doesnt want to get into it, especially at launch and just coming off of Voyage and Blood. Also since its not aether, even though I enjoyed chaos a lot. Im happy it has literally aged like wine and seeing more love for it recently.
Noah needs a reality check
Edit: lol he got one 💀
I agree, dead of the night is in my top 3 maps of all time. The atmosphere and ee is so good
Yeah it’s really good. I wouldn’t put in my top ten but it’s still a great map for sure.
Not my favorite but I think it's a cool map
@@samurai2k455 me too the only map I got round 100 on I love this map
@@therookie5714 i do think the bo4 infrastructure brings it doen def
I love how theres so many cuts due to the amount of subs Jack gifted
Great stream
Was there the whole time and dodged every one of them.
There was over 150 of them
But why tho?
@@jonathanaraujo8090 mans credit card was stolen 💀
@@VenaCava bruh
@@VenaCava lonelymailbox had his card stolen?
Idk why ZNS gets so much hate, people need to stop comparing it to other bo3 maps and judge it by itself. Interesting EE, amazing cutscene, great wonder weapon, innovation with the sewer and water cave. It is the worst bo3 map but still a B tier map
@Stealth_is_Pure i agree but i feel rev was way more important than zet
I agree with everything you said except for great wonder weapon. The kt-4 is literally just the siliquifier 2.0 but without the slidyness when you think about it. Pool of liquid on the floor that murders everything it touches for awhile.
Zet is better than Rev and GK no doubt
Zet is my second fav map of all time. Incredible atmosphere only beat by SOE, amazing wonder and special weapon and one of the best cutscenes
I love how much there is to do on zetsubou. It could keep me entertained for days on need with the amount of side activities and Easter eggs. I also find the plants really cool.
Surprising and refreshing how quality his tier list is, and there’s the incredible Lex commentary on top of it
I simply cannot understand where people get the idea of ZNS being a bottom tier map from. Really.
The wonder weapon is one of the most heavily incorporated with the actual map itself that it feels satisfying and relieving to get. I mean consistently taking down thrashers until fairly high rounds, melting webs, giving speed boosts, growing plants, etc. On top of that it is fun and while it is just a “worse sliquifier” it is more engaging then the sliquifier was. It is also very strong which lets it be used in high rounds unlike the mk3. More care and thought was put into it then the majority of wonder weapons including some staffs. The cons are it’s limited ammo and long upgrade quest which are fair. It isn’t excessively long as some would make it seem however.
The map itself has a magnificent atmosphere and nailed what it was going for. the creepy overgrown and ominous feeling it gives you for a multitude of reasons. one being the great spider mini bosses which fit perfectly into the map. the lack of any human life anywhere on a dark island. the creepy altars with skulls on them. it really feels like the island is out to get you. it’s just a shame that the actual atmosphere itself isn’t as grand as a bloody stalingrad or bustling 1900s city. it’s subtle and overlooked because of that.
The spider boss fight is one of the most unique things in zombies and should have returned. It gives more casual players an objective other than a tedious easter egg as well as being just fun. not too hard to complete and you get a free perk out of it too. it’s interesting and i always look forward to doing it. I obviously wish it were slightly more difficult to encourage using all of the weaponry acquired along the way. same with the final boss fight which is the biggest criticism I have of the map.
The plant system is interesting and is only hated because of it’s required use. If it weren’t for its requirement for the ee then there are no cons to it. it is just a helpful thing to get you fighting zombies for longer and all it asks for is a second of attention.
Lastly the skull is the most fun specialist in all of black ops 3. It is very, very, very good and while some may find that too overpowered I would argue that because it is a specialist that it helps take it down a notch. that as well as the fact it is almost required to take down thrashers to limit you using it too much and making the player be responsible for keeping it ready for one.
First impressions are really important and hard to shake off. Unfortunately, ZNS was plagued by bugs and was generally just disliked by the community at large on yt at launch.
I didn’t agree with that sentiment, but I remember a lot of people going with the idea that there was no content for months until GK released because “I don’t like this map, therefore no content for months”
Well because the EE requires too much round progression mixed with the lovely RnG of the Artillery Bullet.
The Thrashers are glitchy, do either basic or one shot damage at random times, take alot of resources (especially during the boss fight) with ZERO pay off.
They are the entire reason you even go down on Zetsubou's boss fight
Not to mention setting up on Zetsubou is just not fun, it is the best looking "Gross" map, and theres really cool concepts.
However, all of the worst maps in Treyarchs catalog is paved with great ideas that are executed poorly.
So it isnt specific to ZNS, but ZNS is definetly the least user friendly on B03
who tf asked
Probably my second favourite Treyarch map I love it.I have fun setting it up,getting kt4 and visually matches the vibe so well.Love it!
In actuality, the Masamune is better than the Sliquifier. The only advantage the Sliquifier has over the Masamune is that it's able to chain kills and kill a lot more zombies, however, it doesn't have infinite damage and it can get you killed. The Masamune kills less zombies but it still kills a lot of zombies, it actually does infinite damage, and it doesn't get you killed. Masamune > Sliquifier any day.
Die rise being ranked over Tag is the most criminal thing ever 💀
I always teeter totter on Die Rise. Sometimes the mere thought of it makes me seethe a little inside thinking of all the bullshit it put me through in the bo2 days, and other times I think about it, Bo4, cold war, and Vanguard, then think to myself, "shit, i'ma play some Die Rise, fuck this."
It is a truth, die rise is underrated and better than all of bo4, and der afghanistan
Honestly foul
@@morisco56 Wouldn't say all of bo4. DotN, Classified, and Tag are all better than it. Honorable mention for IX since I personally don't like it, but see why others do.
Die Rise is unironically top-tier
I think the vibe that "five" had was mostly because nothing was really wrong until you got to the labs, like the first floor look normal the second floor look normal. Meanwhile in classified the first floor had blood all over and all that, same with the second floor which really ruined the unsettling vibe. I mean if the entire place is trashed and covered with blood then the zombies seem to fit in, but if everything looks fine but there's zombies then it really strange and unsettling because you can tell that they didn't break in, they came from inside which is proven when you get to the labs.
The opening cutscene literally has them break in
Yeah, the very first time I played matchmaking and we took the elevator down to the labs was an experience. I stayed in the elevator with someone and the other two ran into the labs. Such a cool map
@@Matt_History They broke through one window, they didn't even break into the building itself, they just broke into the meeting room.
Unless you count Dick as saying :It sounds like someone's breaking in" there is no evidence that the zombies came from outside the building.
Something I don’t think is really considered, (or at least talked about) is the fact that The Giant was a PERFECT map to grind weapon upgrades on mindlessly
god i felt like i was on a whole ass “WAKE UP” acid trip when lex was talking about his theory ab why the apothican servant isnt upgradable on shadows.
Bro this is crazy looking back as some who beat the campaign of waw with his friends before we had internet, though most were starting to we were a little behind so we had no idea zombies was a thing, the look on our faces when that fog hit, the heavy breathing and then the start of round woman’s voice we all learned to love
I don't rlly agree with a lot of Chop's rankings but I do respect them. He does have some fair points about most of the maps
I relate to chop so much on what he said about voyage pre-release. The trailer for voyage really gave me the same vibe shadows does. Where it is a realistic type setting with fictional aspects tampering with the map. Cthulhu inspired thematic on a 1940's american city for SOE // greek mythology inspired thematic on the titanic. Even though i still have yet to watch the titanic movie and probably have the least amount of knowledge about the titanic. The presentation of voyage's reveal just made me much more hyped about that map than even blood of the dead or IX. I also thought that it would be the next extremely complicated, NOT new player friendly masterpiece that dives deep into gameplay. In regards to my expectations on voyage i also thought that IX would work as a sort DE, where it's extremely accessible for the main setup like perks, weapons and PaP, but deeper into WW upgrades and EE. I guess i was right about IX though...
ive been on a zombies binge recently and watching these lex vids have me laughing EVERY time he gets a sub or dono idk what its for but the "best zombies map of all time ... kind der toten" kills me every time lmao.
1:45:19 literally had me jumping out of my bed.
dozing off with this damn near gave me a heart attack
I love how Lex suddenly seems to dislike Voyage more then Blood
Tag der Toten is my favorite map of all time so I get it, Im biased, but there is NO reason for Tag to be worse than so many of these maps.
trash
I hate the map personally, awful wonder weapons, just a worse call of the dead, and a terrible end to BO4
I respect it so no hate but you’re the first person I’ve ever heard say that and am trying to understand How lol
The wonder weapons should've been better, and it was a disappointing end to the game, but i also very much like the map. Its visually beautiful, it has a very great atmosphere and is very chill (no pun intended) to play and do all the side quests.
Tag is a better CotD, but it is a really lackluster final map
Let's remember guys, Lex was prestige master lvl 500 by the time Der Eisendrache came out, so he must've played The Giant a boatload
How somebody feels about a map is always based on opinion. There is no definitive answer to that to be honest. It's okay that we all have different feelings regarding maps
I would love to see another colab with the boys of the z-house. I miss all you boys. Just a simple video of y’all reacting to something would be a nostalgia trip and a half.
My first zombie experience was nacht on black ops 1. It was the summer before bo2 came out. The hype I had for that game gives me chills
Dead of the Night is a phenomenal map, people do it so dirty man.
Lex, here’s a new video idea! Make a defense vid for Dead of the Night!
DOTN is in my top 5, absolutely love that map
As someone who likes to kill zombies and not solve rubix cubes I heavily disagree, plus verrukt is top 5
@@thicccarteronxbox9930 I’m someone that likes to think when I play zombies, I can’t play the old games anymore like I used to because they’re too simple. I get bored by round 15 because I feel like I’ve long done everything in the map by then and by that point it’s just running in circles
@@ryanbollinger1759 in that case it seems u spend more time looking at guides and grabbing parts then playing the game, plus doing those Easter eggs you’re talking about just lets you get OP wonder weapons you can survive to round 100 with anyway so you’re kinda contradicting yourself
@@thicccarteronxbox9930 I’m not contradicting myself at all, I don’t like playing high rounds as it’s too monotonous to me. I run and carry people through Easter eggs and challenge runs. I’m an Easter egg player 100 percent.
Also, I don’t need guides anymore. I have all of the information memorized. I haven’t needed a guide for a single Blundell zombies map since I first started playing said map. I would need guides for like 3 days max of playing the map and I got it down.
I just like having things to do. I like thinking about how I’m gonna optimize my run and I like speedrunning.
I just like the more complex maps and I think they’re better. When I play Cold War maps or WAW maps I just get bored out of my mind because there’s not enough going on for my ADHD brain.
If you wanna know my taste in games and what might explain my taste in zombies maps, this is what I like to do:
I am a massive fan of the Dark Souls/ FromSoftware games and I have been for a long time.
The best first person shooter of all time is Doom Eternal, but Nightmare difficulty is essential so you’re forced to play fast and deal with all of the mechanics and multitude of enemy types.
Those are just some opinions, I’m at work and I’ll have more time to explain later.
In conclusion, yeah I’m a fan of Treyarch zombies and as the games went on my taste changed to just prefer the more complex and intricate design philosophy of Blundell’s more complex maps.
could you imagin if the kracken on voyage was like the marstagwa wonder weapon people would have loved that
Tranzit was my first zombies experience, but I mainly played town and bus depot. I would honestly rank tranzit in C tier because it's super super fun with friends and that's what I mainly care about.
The WAKE UP! WAKE UP! donation at the end just melted my ears.
Funny story I didn’t play zombies until after BO2 had been out for a while. I did not have the nerve to even open the game mode. Went to my uncles one weekend and he put me on kino der toten for the first time. It was late all the lights were off he left me there by myself for the first 30 minutes. Man was I terrified but I was hooked. I probably didn’t make it past round 7 for a week lol. However my friends had BO2 and I played it for the first time a few months after my first zombies experience. Dude I thought perks were a brand new thing in BO2😅 never once noticed any perk machine in kino other than quick revive. Until we put my copy of BO1 in later that night and my friends all thought I was an idiot. It was a different time though and I didn’t even have internet in my area at all.
1:45:20 woke me up in the middle of the night and made me freak out.
Literally killed me bruh, I am no longer living
Shi No Numa is my favorite map. I remember staying up with my friends waiting for the DLC to come out. It was such a fun and crazy map when it released. One of my favorite memories in Zombies is my friend getting the waffe on our first game, non of us watched the trailer or knew what the gun did. We were all in awe about it. Shi No Numa co-op on WAW is absolutely insane, there was no PAP yet, training wasn't a thing yet, camping strats were the way to go. All four of us stayed in the Comm room and watched windows, took turns using the electric barrier, and the guy with waffe would use it for crowd control.
I understand now that Shi No Numa isn't the greatest map, but it has a special place for me.
the jumpscare near the end blew my freaking socks off. I was like 5 minutes from dozing off and BOOM! WAKE UP WAKE UP!
36:00 I remember when lex would try to hunt for the EE before anyone got to round 150 and he was just ripping his hair out grasping at straws that aren’t there BECAUSE THERE IS NO EASTER EGG
At this point lex should make a tier list tier list
Lex: Chat in my honest opinion Gee Kay has 0 flaws
Ch0pper: the only real downside to this map in my opinion would be the Valkyrie drones
Lex: I agree chat, I agree
3:04. transit_zm
5:02. Tag der Toten
10:33. Dead of the Night
12:56. Nacht
15:32. Alpha Omega
20:14. Voyage
23:43. ZNS
26:40. BOTD
30:30. Firebase Z
32:28. Shi No Numa
34:06. Classified
38:30. Shangri la
40:25. verruckt
42:51. Ascension
44:58. Foresaken
47:13. Kino
50:35. Five
52:20. IX
54:32. Outbreak coldwar
56:25. Moon
1:00:00. Die Machine
1:01:28. Nuketown
1:04:38. The Giant
1:07:22. Revelations
1:10:15. Buried
1:13:41. Ancient Evil
1:17:50. COTD
1:22:37. GK
1:25:30. Der Riese
1:29:05. MOTD
1:36:09. Origins
1:43:03. SOE
Fix your list boy
You forgot mauer
@@owenhill144 Die rise is a good map
cod zombies is older than most of the player base
DOTN is at least a B Tier Map. People shit on it and it deserves better.
Like most bo4 maps... people hate them, cuz its bo4
@@sebazosiedla7251 Alpha omega and Voyage are the only bad maps on Bo4.
@@sebazosiedla7251 yep but if it was bo3 people will be creaming... like nobody likes change
I’m in my bed and I’m getting tired…
*WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP!!!*
Lex really was going for Voyage's throat for like 5 minutes. I kinda like that map!
Moons astronaut fucking terrified me the first few times i played.
It’s completely silent
Steals a fucking perk
And puts you in a one hit down state
That is some scary ass shit.
This tier list is on par with noah.
"Blood of the Dead has 42 bird locations yet its above Dead of the Night"
Yes, why? because its 42 POSSIBLE locations, you only have to find 3 of them, this is also for one EE step.
Meanwhile Dead of The Night has 3 possible spots for each of its 12 or so parts that are essential for the basics of setup for the map such as Pack a Punch besides the rest of the annoyances of doing the EE or the Side EEs.
You can play Blood casually and have a decent time because its not long or hard to set up, just flip two power switches and blast a power panel with the shield (which youll want anyway), meanwhile the same cannot be said for Zetsubou and Dead of The Night.
Preach! And that is just for setup, the rest of the DOTN EE has something like 70-80 more spawn points you need to know in order to solve it.
Now don't get me wrong, DOTN isn't horrible, it isn't the worst map of all time like Noah is saying, but it's a very annoying map to play, especially by yourself. It has great atmosphere and it's in all honestly a very nice starting point for the Chaos storyline, if you play the Chaos maps in storyline order. But it just isn't fun to play.
@@matejkovacic9310 Yea, as well they figured out a trick to tell where the bird locations are everytime. If you stand at the gondola at the prison (not the dock location)at the start of the round with your shield out you can actually see the direction the bird is in.
So the bird step isnt even that bad by comparison
@@xvoidxhunter2129 Yeah, I saw the Pizza video on that. Admittedly, that only narrows it down, it doesn't give the exact spawn point, but still, going from 42 of them all over the quite large map, to around 3 or 4 at max in a much more localised area is much better.
Though apparently the trick with seeing the bird is much more viable in multiplayer lobbies than it is in a solo lobby. You can still see it in the solo lobby, but instead of a well defined bright blue line across the screen, it shows up as a much smaller line and for a shorter time as well which makes it very likely for a solo player to miss it and being back to just guessing where the bird is. So, I guess it's a mixed biag right now on that front.
Honestly, I quite like both Blood and DOTN, I'm just annoyed how people make up excuses for DOTN and it's ridicoulus number of spawn points by bringing up things like atmosphere and visuals, both of which Blood also has to that high standard, and to add to that Blood now has a way for you to massively narrow down the possible spawn points and I'm just left irritated at DOTN for no reason...
I just used to love Shi No Numa because I loved the arisaka and to this day it is my favorite beginning weapon in all of cod imo
21:39 this makes me realize that Blundell was probably planning on this being his next Mob of the Dead. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
It's wild how an on disc map is the greatest. Kino really is revolutionary
If I see one more person complain about the gameplay of zetsubo but then praise origins I’m gonna lose my mind. ZNS is amazing. Top 10 all time. Community is TRIPPING
I can’t take this vid serious when chaos is saying “Best zombies map of all time, kino der toten black ops 1” every god damn second
Dead of the Night is criminally slept on
@@smugplush True, it'd be better if it was on BO3 but still i think its the best BO4 has to offer (not that it has much to offer anyway)
Maur is underrated 🔥
@@magicm953 well BO4 sucks do no surprise that people hate it, the map itself isn’t bad but the game mechanics sucks in that game which hurts the map so much
I played the shit out of classified at launch. I don’t know why, I just found IX kinda boring after a while. It was super fun at launch but got tiring quick but classified stayed fun. Ultimus was fun and I like the winters howl more then the scorpion gun 💀
Scorpion gun is one of the only bad things about IX. Such a boring weapon. Not interesting visually, and not that interesting either.
@@dutchvanderlinde248 I still have no clue how it works, I just shoot and hope it kills something
@@dutchvanderlinde248 holy shit Dutch
@@dutchvanderlinde248 I agree lol I love super fun and broken wonder weapons, so I think I’d like it more if it was just a more fun weapon, granted tho I haven’t done the ee since I don’t really do em often. I know a lot of people love the IX ee
@@dutchvanderlinde248 Yeah, it was pure garbage, only killed a couple zombies per charge shot and fell off so hard after r50.
I liturally would piss on everyone who said origins is overrated . When they would come home from school and liturally play that map like it was the last thing they could do before they died. Gameplay is amazing . Staffs were like the best original idea to have been added to this map . Liturally a masterpiece.
I like it but for me SOE #1
Yep, you're definitely delusional. Name fits
It's good but not the best. SoE, DE, Mob, Ancient Evil, and maybe Buried, Zet, Spaceland, and GK are better imo. Staffs are cool but half of them suck, not a huge fan of the layout, mud really ruins it for me. I still like it, but I never boot it up unless someone else wants to run it. Panzer is one of the best boss zombies though, absolutely terrifying.
@@MrFusion yes
Overrated because of nostalgia, like you proved lol.
13:22 “It feels like they just threw zombies in the map and said, ‘Have fun!’” Bruh, that was literally the point. It was new and they needed something to show for it 😂🤦♂️
Talking about Die Rise: "Here's a really big sandbox with things you can use."
OKAY THEN WHERE IS PHD? IT LITERALLY WOULD'VE MADE THE MAP 10X BETTER
I, regrettably, admit that my first Zombies experience was indeed Tranzit...
Wasn’t my first but it was fun with my cousin and I not knowing what anything was and getting wrecked by the avagadro lol
My first zombies map was genuinely Nacht. I never got the WaW dlc though, so Five and Kino were my second and third maps respectively. Then I never got the bo1 dlc so I was stuck with them until Tranzit. Bless my soul, despite owning both games, I genuinely, consciously chose to play Tranzit and Town over Kino and Five. I was that weirdo that insisted on building and using the jet gun every game, knew exactly how to get all the bus upgrades, and would command the randoms thus delegating the setup like you build this, I'll get power on, you watch the turbine while we pap, then I'll watch it while you do, things like that. I was annoying for sure lol, but damn if I didn't have fun.
God bless your soul
are we gonna ignore 14:57 when the guy replaced his raygun for the EXPENSIVE PELLET SNIPER
1:45:25 I fucking died.
Spoilers:
it is a really loud wake up
Will probably just missed how his family used to be, cause it’s been completely dismantled, his wife, his kids. His relationship with his children has definitely been affected and maybe he just wants that back.
Tag 3rd worst? That is criminally cap
That wake up at the end GAVE ME A HEART ATTACK
Coming in at the #1 spot: Terra Maledicta
After careful examination of this video I have come to the conclusion that lex may not like voyage of despair
This was interesting. He has a lot of good points, but a lot of the placements don’t make that much sense to me if he’s talking purely about gameplay. Like all of the WaW map placements (except for Der Riese) are weird to me
Lex for the first 20 minutes was just WHERES VOYAGE AHHHHHH
I just realized that technically cod zombies is going through puberty
someone in the chat said touching grass is more worth your time than vanguard💀
Bro I was legit napping while listening to pass time and that alarm at the end terrified me.
Bro kino is so good, because of how simple it is, you just hop on and play and kill Zombies, you don’t need to worry about anything and just have fun
I read the title and thought "What makes it a Bruh Tier List"
Me seeing "Ch0pper": Ahhh, I see THATS why.
I’m a oh lover of every zombies but die machine was the best interpretation of nacht we have ever had, it gave us a decent backstory and a lot more of the area too play with that acc felt like nacht in the future
Og lover*
1 YEAR LATE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
2 YEARS LATE RAAAAAHHH
I lol everytime i hear "number 1 map all time, kino der toten. Black ops 1"
I understand the lore but the way I cope with the Great War map is I ignore that origins was the beginning of primis, and it’s head cannon that origins was the Great War map.
Chopper: list is based on gameplay not nostalgia
Lex: ok got you
theres no way chat 1 if you disagree
How is he gonna criticize Dead of the Night for being a collect-a-thon when he likes Origins??
Everything he said about DotN can be copy and paste applied to Origins, obviously just hates the map for no reason or explain anything properly.
DotN is very different to Origins honestly the things on Origins are easier to understand and easier to Find and its a trash thing when people say Origins has too many collectable things, like mate its only 4 Discs and 12 Staff parts and they are all easy to find, Ice staff is just digging and Fire is just going to round 8, Wind go into the robots and Lightning just using the truck, the discs are very easy to find
@@vryyyx I just think cause it's not aether it's very obvious
zet below all of CW and WaW is criminal
The music for shadows of evil hits the perfect spot like no other map. Except maybe buried and mob.
Should’ve named this video “Lex complains about voyage for 20 minutes” people can have different preferences you understand that right?
Tag dear Toten “a lot of things to gather and fetch quest map”. What are you on about Chopper?? What are you picking up, shield, dynamite, heat pack and if your doing the EE then 3 random parts. That’s it very little so are you playing the right map
I used to grind blood of the dead high rounds, never got far but I did notice one thing, everytime the PAP moves, lightning strikes where it moved to once it appears there
When you give treyarch the development time they need, they make incredible maps
What do you think about a Transit rework? With the original idea in mind and now there's no limitation?
Dead of the night is the most underrated zombies map
Zetsubou gets royally shit on every single time. It is literally at the very least a good map. It has something for every player and the quest is pretty satisfying. The boss fight is donkey balls but still the quest isn’t hard and the specialist is sick. It has cool visuals and a cool wonder weapon and a new swimming mechanic. It’s a sick map
I think people hate it because it's harder than most maps, although that's why I love it
@@MrFusion yes, it also has black ops 4 syndrome: hated on because of bandwagoning
Dude, all I heard for the first 13 min was, “ wHeReS vOyAgE”.
My first zombies experience was Transit and Nuke town. This thankfully didn’t push me away from zombies
I was deadass, nodding off at the end of this video....then it happened. What what.
I really think modded CotD has skewed lex’s view of the map.
Like Noah said, a map isn’t good if the only way to enjoy it is with mods.
Not that CotD is a bad map, but I just think Lex is severely overvaluing it.
cotd with Romero sucks
2 hr Lex video? Don’t mind if I do
I also wish they put the pentagon thief in classified but after watching lore videos you learn that if yuri was in classified it would’ve broken the timeline
Treyarch employee shows his PowerPoint for the alpha omega cutscenes everyone else in the room- I love it just the way it is we don’t need to make a good cutscene just leave it the way it is
I think Map ranking tier lists need to be separated between Solo and Co-Op
the amount of people saying tranzit was their first zombies map has to be cap
50:08 literally the first time I ever touched cod, I was playing transit with my brother💀
So this dude claims to say this list will not be biased, nor nostalgic. Yet, ranked IX purely on the fact that he couldn’t fall in love with it.
Rai-k is cool but its not cool enough or strong enough to be the WW of an entire map. Shoulda been the second WW that got added in all maps like the mark 2. Coulda definitely had some more innovation with Firebase Z and needed a layout redesign I hate running around on it
watching this again a year later holy shit how disrespectful to the zombies name is vanguard
"What was the map you played most on bo4s launch?"
"Gorod Krovi"
Homie said no nostalgia tier list, then puts verukt above Shang from what can only be nostalgia bias 😂
On god this list sucks
Make a tierlist from youtubers map tierlists
I did the math when I was trying to do DOTN, there's over a hundred spawn locations in total for everything
The best zombies map of all time: Kino Der Toten, Black Ops 1.
"To me it gets as good as it gets"
Maur is underrated 🔥