Don't Lean Back On Knees - Yodkhunpon The Elbow Hunter
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Context matters. The lean back (and pull) is for a supported knee strike where I am holding onto the other person in a clinch and pulling them into the knee strike.
He is showing the proper way to knee strike from punching or trapping range, just outside of clinch range, without a neck tie up/control. The chin down and hip swivel can still be applied in either range/supported or unsupported.
Thank you for the videos and your work to document these fighters and training methods!!!
I think thats implied in the video because they're at striking range most of the vid
Thanks for the info good tip
So in karate the swivel hip knee is more appropriate because you are not allowed to clinch. Most, but not all, karateka also practice the rocking chair knee. I will try and practice both.
No, the "lean back" Muay Thai knee that this is contrasted to is not an engaged knee. It's a longer knee often used by more femeu fighters. The lean back gives more length to the knee, but doesn't put you in position to keep striking, and Yodkhunpon has said opens you to counter strikes.
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Your vids are just so extensive. I must mention that these legends are quite “Style-intensive.” Your vids encapsulate the technical brilliance of these legends. Thank you once again for unraveling gems like this one
My technique is slowly but certainly improving thanks to your video content. Thanks so much for sharing... you're an inspiration.
I love this series with the former 80's and 90's greats. Thanks Sylvie! I learned something similar in terms of not leaning back years ago in Thailand. A feature of these type of techniques thrown where you retain shape and stance more readily is that they emphasise balance and so can score better.
Your explanations are incredible. Wow. Thanks for this. I love how you break down the whole body. It's not just the hip. It's in context, stance is outside, etc., and you nail it so that even this old man can understand it.
This channel is Mauy Thai gold mine. Keep up the good work.
The way you break down the movements is great.
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I have muay thai coach but I learn so much from this channel. Thanks
thanks for the video, also the commentary is superb and extremely helpful, certainly will be practicing this style of knee from now on
One of the best Channels on youtube, surprising there are not more subscribers, I am putting my mates at martial arts onto it so they can enjoy and learn also. Thanks Sylvie :)
I like this way better than the lean back. I have been shown the lean back knee (not a muay thai stylist). But even though I practiced it. I never felt it was appropriate because it felt too loaded. Now I'll be throwing knees where its allowed. Thank you for the masterful tips.
This channel is gold!
So basically you want to throw your hip into the knee rotationally instead of leaning directly into it?
In my old muay thai book from the 90's they called that a knee kick
which book is that?
what book nigga
which book is it chris????
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Advanced Muay Thai Kickboxing techniques by Christopher Delph
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Omg so confused now. So don't thrust hips forward and lean back? Wow I'll have to play with that one. Thank you, you are awesome
I find every single thai trainer I've met has slight variations of things they do that might conflict with what you've learnt in the past.
And every technique has its use for different circumstances, adapted specifically to your style/biomechanics/how you're built.
Do what works for you.
"take what is useful discard what is useless and add what is uniquely your own"
He's doing the bent-knee roundhouse kick with identical mechanics, except it hurts like twice as much than a roundhouse that lands with the shin. So he's taking a diagonal slashing movement rather than a very straight movement using a forward hip thrust and lean-back. They're both correct but used in different ways. If the opponent is checking the diagonal strike coming from the outside, the forward straight thrust knee can get around the check. But if there's no check and you can land a bent-knee roundhouse, it's way more damage.
Yeah...Yodkhunpon is a proven legend so I can't disagree with anything he says, but I'll have to play around with this too. I'm confused about where the power would come from if you don't thrust the hips forward when kneeing.
we train two different knees, the knees that swing from the outside are better in clinch & are used more in sparring.
However a lean back centreline knee is good to use on entry.
Then the senior thai fighters in the club ALWAYS have their own variations that are somewhere between the two, Phai for example brings his leg around like a kick but keeps his shin tucked back & then butts the knee forwards in the opposite direction at the end. He also does a knee very similar to this one in a lot of ways except with a bit more of a twist.
Always interesting to see a good thai fighters special knee techniques.
Stronger balance points... makes sense how he'd find the range for his elbow as you lean back. Thank you again!
As for the knees themselves? In a word? Ouch.
Thank you Sylvie. I have been look for Yodkhunpon's video on the youtube. But i only see a bloodthirsty dude trying to kill his opponent. He's awesome but quite aggressive.
Yeah I learned knees the leaning back way also. That way looks very good. Dieselnoi doesn't lean back either and does those knees to the leg. Really nice.
So ive been doin knees wrong for 10 years. Awesome 😂 thanks for all the good content!
The rocking chair knee and this one are a great addition to your arsenal, thanks Sylvie!
such a chill dude to train with!
I always felt this way was superior but... Years of training y leaning back has made it so unnatural to switch now.
Same here. I naturally felt more comfortable and powerful doing it this way. But every coach and trainer partner insisted on the other way. I left like a natural left handed writer who was forced to write right handed in grade school (because it was more common).
I agree 1,000%. Leaning back always put a lot of pressure on my lower back and my hips, it eventually caused me to tear my labrum because I'd force my hips so far forward it just wasn't good for me. I naturally have a more anterior tilt in my pevlis so thrusting my hips forward is the opposite of what my hips want to do. Techniques are so heavily based on the mechanics of the individual, it's good to experiment!
you are leaning to get more range it's understandable from a long knee surprise attack standpoint, I mean don't change your ways, treat it as a different tactic to add into your personal arsenal of tactics, the Yodkhunpon method takes leaning away and instead use better stepping in footwork to for the knee and chain the elbow, it works for his holistic tactics in and out but might not be something you'd always fancy and natural at, so what I would say is do it as a closing in knee for clinching purpose and use your old leaned-back kneeing for something else, maybe it's for locking your opponent up in a clinch position, but do try adding instead of replacing, everything has its use
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This whole video seems like something I should have known but absolutely didn't. It seems intuitive on hearing it.
Thanks so much for these clips Sylvie, they are so informative :)
Your channel is fantastic.
Good One 🥳 what about the front leg's knee? Could he give us his tips in another video? 🙏 Thx
just found your channel yesterday and found it very helpful. Thanks keep it up!
Right he's maybe he's getting some sway from the hips but the way you're doing it is excellent technique if you're inside but he is moving from the outside to inside seat so what you're learning now is you're moving from the outside to the inside to attack quickly so that is a hop or it's like hop keto he's coming in on you now so you utilizing movement mobility and it's showing you how to use your hips to get generate power
This totally depends on tactics. his way you evade punches with an angle and blocking and pushing. the other way you use range but you can adjust and still block punches. I would mix the two and keep them guessing. If you have an opponent who likes to sweep then his way i s better then also but if you have a shorter oponnent then leaning back could be better.
Its simply Muay Khao style
no one cares what you would do... REKT
Yeah you're right on that point if exactly and you always got to be thinking about posture and stance like you're thinking about because if you balance is the key to martial arts anytime you get a tennis shot or a golf shot or you know you're in martial arts and and you have poor balance you're selling yourself up for a judo throw or a maybe a keto throw or you could be seriously or with an elbow or knee people going to close the gap on you quickly when they see it in a poor defensive position out of balance I will quickly close the gap and then take
thanks Sylvie! your videos are inspirational to me :)
Aaah.. I will try tomorrow thnx
I'm a basic amateur i love your videos, but i just wonder is this not more about preference and individual style?
Like you can see in many fights the lean back works amazingly for many different reasons, then for this guy his reasons are different so he prefers this method, rather than "This is the way you SHOULD do it" is it not more "This is a way you COULD do it" and each forms their own style?
Very useful training advice. Thank you.
@sylvie good point. Excellent video
Right on. I like it. 🎉🎉🎉go Sylvie. thank you
This proves there are many ways to execute a technique. I’m not too fond of this particular style because the body mechanics aren’t as efficient. I think there is an In between technique where you still turn your shoulder and hip together but don’t lean backwards.
I don't train muay thai but I want to! The movements are so beautiful
i always do leanback when knee..now i need to. do this....i. understand now..thank u for this tips..
How do you deal with these things when training at different places? Lots of trainers have different ideas about how to do things, and they often contradict eachother. Some told me to do the knee as you show here, while others (I think it was Samranchai) told me to lean back.
Ton It's not difficult, it's just variety. One isn't correct and the other incorrect, they are two options in style.
Yes, this is very good. It's very easy to just push someone over (and it's really bad for the back if this happens), when they lean back into the knee. We used to do it all the time. It's also much easier to see it coming.
All striking has a place in training and fights. No right and wrong, it's about situations.
the dude is elbow guy of curse he want to stay close
These videos are so awesome!
Awesome thank u so much for that. It actually feels more balance when i do it that way rather than the leaning back.
that makes sense!
Well whatever it is it looks like you're pretty effective with that knee I would be moving backwards too trying to avoid
That's good thing this guy has Passover his whole body because we're going to hit every single pressure point and vital point also if we start getting into pressure points and acupressure points and vital points you know these are what ends fights really quickly but that's either going to kill the guy or it's going to be a KO situation but if your standard street fight if you're not trying to damage the guy permanently then we're just going to get to you know like a general area like a Target like a midsection up under the jaw for that elbow elbows coming up under the jar always real nice neutralizers
Yeah Zack that's good technique you just bring the knee up just like you're going to throw a kick you can do this with the front or the rear leg just like
wowww such a unique techniques smh majority of the thailand muay thai fighters dont knee that way 😆 verry impressive i shall be doing that for now on thank you so much👍👏
What about doing both and not sticking only with one style of knee? I mean you don't want your enemy to read you right?
Sylvie, can you please tell us how to treat and make stronger our knees?
so who is right? him or Dieselnoi?
Awesome content!
Hi. Can I forward it?
thanks sylvie!
Good teacher
I love your stuff
hi if your leg comes from the side, it mean s that there is space between the leg for the opponent isn t it?
Like it yeah and you just you're bringing that up into his midsection there like you're doing very effective the way you're moving in really quickly and then going up with that knee you're really making this guy back up quick cuz he doesn't want to take one of your knees shots into his midsection which is your center of balance that's his center of everything so it's
I whas thought , to wrap arm around Chin when knee like dracula stand
basically, there is more than one way to throw knee shots. like bruce lee said, become like water.
So it's an angler attacker sent he's not driving it up like into the center a midsection he's coming in at 45° angle on you
Amazing vid
Rad videos. Appreciated
you mention stepping out that way you can rotate your hips for the knee but you don't step out you're still thrusting
Seems as if this technique requires you to position your lead foot Outside the your opponent foot a little to get the full power from the hip rotation.
Yeah kicks and knees are more effective when you're always when you're relaxed same as tennis start golf you know relaxation and produces better results anytime you tense it you're losing your balance
Lol damn!! It took ages to learn to knee properly and now I find out I'm doing it wrong
Nabil Abdulrashid There's more than one way. Leaning back isn't "wrong," it's a different option. Both have strengths and weaknesses.
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I found out the other day he is my teacher's teacher
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Awesome! :)
Legit. I throw these knees off of the hard check (aka axe knee/shin destruction) all day.
And if know how to do some tkd then the hips switches aren’t new
Well yeah if you can get some torque in there it's like golf or tennis you know a full range of motion torque especially when you're talking about the drive you know we're getting into the triangle we're getting the set we're going into the slot you want full rotation you were talking about Lanier and angular and then applies in tennis or golf or martial arts if you got to think about you know the same footwork that's utilized in three different types of sports and that also goes for a martial arts because remember that all your powers come in from the ground up and that's why we're talking about being rooted when you slightly bend your knees it's a big deal when you're standing straight up it's poor posture and push you over with one finger if you don't have a good stance I can push you over the one finger or I can throw you in a keto throw very easily once I knock you off balance I can do a variation of
When he does it, it look like a roundhouse but landed on the knee to me
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Yeah I can bring that foot from behind and then bring it up while he grabs behind the neck seat with the arms he's bringing the knee up into the guy's midsection so now since he's taking that rear knee coming in and hopping in and then grabbing you by the neck and pulling you in so they can effectively bring the knee into your midsection you see so this guy is doing a grab okay he's taking a hop and moving in from using the rear leg instead of the front leg in the situation but he could have used a front leg or a rear leg but he chose to use and this he's going to semi open position so he's facing you but he's in a semi open position so that he can utilize a grab and utilize that rear leg anytime his leg is back foot is slightly behind the front foot then we're going to call that a stance right and so he's got that's the lead stance but he is in a semi open stance like it used in tennis we don't have to go into a closed stance to hit a forehand okay unless we're going down the line but if we're going to go Cross Court we're going to hit a diagonal shop through the middle and we can hit a
Well this guy is a Muay Thai fighter you know and basically I'm teaching kickboxing so I'm utilizing what he's teaching is the way he that the entirely they fight but a kickboxer from the Western world is going to have we have our own means also I'm basically teaching kickboxing this guy is teaching you Muay Thai okay your apples and oranges but all martial arts are going to utilize all the weapons believe me
This is similar to how the Deadly Kisser's knee technique.
Chris Capozzi Sangtiennoi also was an in-fighter so that makes sense. This is a Muay Khao style knee. As I write in my blog post Dieselnoi also has knees that share characteristics. What makes Yodkhunpon's knees maybe a little unique to him is how they set up his elbows.
Yes ....I agree.
Once you've learned to not lean back it looks and feels ridiculous; he's so agile while he does it. Whereas when Langsuan showed you it was more like he was launching a cannon ball.
Karuhat leans way back and it's beautiful, but serves a different purpose. Leaning back is for one shot, which just isn't Muay Khao.
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The same as the cat see you got to be able to utilize the front knee or rear foot say front foot and rear foot for kicking see because they're going to switch back he can do a switch too that's why we're going to switch kicks earlier the mood tie switch kick and the mood tie round switch because these mutai fighters will switch from left to right foot all the time that way they mix it up and the game momentum and they can they knocked the living s*** out of you especially if they attacked the midsection they go underneath your chin they rock your world so you know little guy who's the world class champion might be 4'2 but he can probably knock out most of you cuz he was world champion the car is working with 4 ft 2 world champion of Thailand and the little guy can fly through the air and he can you can hit his heart or harder than anybody else out there because his technique and neutralizes everybody
damn that was in pataya
My back hurts when i do this
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Buakaw says lean back. 8m confused about these knees on Yahusha
@rashaadgrismore1987 Buakaw isn't Muay Khao. Lots of fighters who are not Muay Khao prefer to lean back because their knees are long and they will only throw one at a time. Many Muay Khao do not lean back because they are closing distance, staying close, and throwing many knees in a row.
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kinda looks like the muay thai version of jay chou at this age 😆
She's so cute . . . but she could kill me in seconds!!
advanced stuff. annoying that most of people teach you the wrong way.. if there is such a thing.
It's not right and wrong. It's purpose and context, understanding which to use and why/when.
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Well if a woman uses knees and elbow strikes she'll be in the same fighting plateau as a man because you've made up the difference of of the power is that you can hit as hard as a man now that you're utilizing knees and elbows you're just as deadly as any man in the ring right now because if you are not utilizing these and elbows of male would have a huge advantage over a female due to his power but these knees and elbows really is a good Street defense for women
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So This is Muay Khao. Cool I've been training Fumur and Mat mostly this makes perfect sense for a Khao fighter.
ive seen my trainer do this on the bag... now it all makes sense
Yea, I'm taking Muay Thai rn and they're teaching me to thrust my hip forward and instead of comminh at a semi circle. My body naturally wanted to do the semi but that's not how they're teaching. I've also realized that they're halfway teaching, and not explaining certain mechanics. This week is Kick week, and the way they're explaining kicks allmost doesn't make sense, they want us to got against what feels natural
This is like when I went to a supergirl seminar. Always interested to see thr variations on technique at high level