The Real Sonic The Hedgehog (The Real Japanese Character Analysis Of Sonic) [Audio Fixed Ver.]
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- So this is the alternate version with edited audio and hopefully better quality. I wasn't sure if I should remake it or make a new one later down the line, I think I'll still do the second option later. But here's back to your regular scheduled Re-edit for you guys!
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So this is the description for real fans who like seeing just stuff you may say I'm copying Pariah haha... yes. But no this whole video was inspired by him and Fukurou Hoseki.
Also anything I missed about Sonic in this will be further talked about in other character in depths including a certain Egg…
And I just like the simplicity of Pariah's editing. I will change it up every character in depth but I wanted to start it off with him because he confirmed everything like I said he kind of came at the right time of my channel you know, but overall I will try a new editing style next for Amy.
Eggman will be the same since they both show up in Sonic 1. But thank you all for watching and Happy Birthday Blue Blur. The next video will be out soon not too soon though I promise.
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5:40 THIS is the truth! yes, sonic has American influences but it's important to note it's SEGA'S IDEA of what American culture is like but is still largely Japanese, that's a huge distinction from what American writers do with Sonic which comes across as ooc or off-brand or just flat-out recreations of the cast. Japanese Sonic has the vibes of early dragon ball, Sonic was never supposed to be a flanderized western-saturated franchise where american writers inserts & interpretations take precedent over the Japanese status quo.
not gonna lie, I do kind of agree with you. Though, I don't hate what they're doing right now.
If the dubs were actually accurate and Japanese sonic was just the main sonic around the world rather then different translations,I wonder how different sonic’s image would’ve been…
Not that different it would probably be seen more in the light of DBZ or Final Fantasy maybe even Mario. Just having solidified character since creation that existed since creation. But that’s a totally different reality than what we got.
Oh okay. Thanks.
I never knew there was a major "localisation problem" with the games until I looked into the Japanese dub of forces where all the parts us westerners scratched their heads was actually the result of mistranslations. Never thought much about there being a major difference because I wasn't that versed.
It’s not that bad from 2003-2009 so it’s only been like that for 1991-2002 and 2010-now. American writers take over so it’s kinda retroactively changed. When it’s specifically Forces it was written in Japanese changed in America then rewritten again in Japanese so technically it’s a fumbled mess lol.
And no one had it worse than shadow the hedgehog.
Ive been too ashamed to say this as a sonic fan since birth.
But ever since colours, all I felt was disconnect and betrayal.
I want to cry just looking at the direction sonic is going now. From the start of sonic boom, to sonic prime, all the archie comics, to the hollywood sonic movies. I honestly secretly hate all of it and it hurts my heart. Its just way too different.
I grew up watching the Sonic OVA multiple times, playing CD, playing the dreamcast era. From Sonic adventure 1 and 2, and millions of hours in sonic shuffle.
I miss the Jpop, I miss the Jrock, I miss the quintessential japanese designs.
I miss the cheesy shounen writing, I miss his slick, quiet and chill attitude.
I miss the Japanese view of western society.
And ever since I learned japanese fully, I just miss it more and more. These days I can't be bothered look at new sonic stuff, because its not the sonic I know. Heck none of the characters are the same.
But I still have a soft spot....
Nice video it’s surprising seeing how small this channel is and it’s so well done! Your going to get 1M one day 😃
Thanks but making Sonic content doesn’t guarantee me getting that lol. Especially if I’m just talking about Classic Sonic lol. But thank you for the support it’s appreciated!
The audio is way more better, I can hear you more.
Thanks it was an Audacity problem but I definitely got it done for sure!
man, all i can say to you is thanks you, you just remind me of why i love sonic so much,For some time now I have lost hope of where the direction and character of Sonic is going, but I feel good knowing why I liked this hedgehog for so long until today, just... thank you.
Glad I could do that for you like it did for me
Same (ToT)
WOah! I got jumpscared by hearing my name in this video..
Unfortunate I came across that way, because I agree with you.
I left tailschannel and am now focusing on being more clear about my personal takes on this channel. I just subbed and I am excited to learn what I can from you!
Wow I didn’t think you be here on my channel! And yeah I did remember our original conversation but it’s water under the bridge you always been an inspiration.
And you’re fine I’ve seen you on Twitter you have experienced a lot. And I’m a big fan either way I love your new videos!
And yeah I heard you left Tails Channel and I totally get your reasons the way you wanted to go I was excited to see that experience but it didn’t go the way you wanted. But now you can do it on your RUclips channel! And thanks for the sub I didn’t expect one of my heroes to be here today! Also with your new videos I try to watch as many as I can and I would definitely love to talk to you about it for fun in the future! And it’s crazy I used to learn from you about accepting every Sonic and now you’re learning from me in my clarification on these characters in their intended characters it’s like poetry they rhyme lol.
@@Solebinku We can respect other interpretations of Sonic, and I think the reception to the Sonic movies is proof of that!
But innovation, AND preservation must be balanced, otherwise we are completely dismissing the hard work and talent that went into this series past achievements.
We want SONIC to evolve, not another youth franchise in Sonic themed packaging.
@Mardiculous Of course everyone likes what they like and yes the Sonic movie is a great example.
And I agree 100% there’s always gotta be a good balance. To advance you always have to understand what you’re working with. Because with the knowledge you can do more.
And with Sonic he’s a great character that can do so much so him evolving is always the goal because he can always become better.
"Sonic isn't cocky......unles you cout adventure" so in the first portrayal where he is really capable of showcasing his character he is presented as cocky, just because he is cocky doesn't mean he can't take things seriously, he can be (and has been) both.
Have you actually watched the game in Japanese? I definitely doubt it
@@Solebinku minus what you showcased in this video(and a few curious searches every now and then) no, i grew up absorbed western sonic media, oddly enough how I see the characters seem to be exactly how you say he is portrayed in JP, maybe that because I watched the ova or maybe it's because things aren't as black and white as you have presented them and sonic is portrayed basically the same with very minor differences, who knows it's a mystery.
@@TiredMoonRabbit Well like I said he was in America since 2003-2009 so you could’ve saw him there so it maybe you more ignored that but when IDW are definitely the ones to change that.
@@Solebinku ok I want be clear, I don't think you're wrong for having your opinion and I don't mean to be rude, it ok and even good that we disagree, it just shows we both love the franchise.
That being said I completely disagree, from what I've seen of IDW (which is a decent amount) sonic and friends are portrayed almost exactly how you have stated they are in JP and how I think they are in the west, the only real difference is the medium which requires them to be more chatty as well as the sega "mandates" that make it so certain things can't be done with characters, like with shadow which is most likely going to change after SXSG comes out, sega probably just wanted to touch up the character themselves first.
@@Solebinku also I'm an 04 baby, so I most likely wasn't exposed to that version of the character, most of my childhood was playing catch up on older stuff, I remember watch all of Dragon ball, DBZ, and GT all in one summer, fun time's.
Watching all of these Japanese sonic videos has really opened my eye's to this and appreciate it far more than America
At least with Pontac and Graff, SEGA/Sonic Team hired them to make American Sonic different than it was currently but with Ian Flynn they hired him for the sole purpose of being the most accurate Sonic ever yet he isn’t (the best he does is make references to past games over and over)
The only things he can write is what they allow him to.
Hey your video actually inspired me to write my own Sonic Character Analysis, here's the Analysis that i wrote on my phone:
Classic Sonic
Classic Sonic is the original one, he has a Sonic attitude, Unlike American Sonic, his attitude is expressed in more subtle ways, he expresses it through body language and rude mannerisms. One thing is he used to be a loner, often travelling the world alone and closing himself to others, he was known as a "legendary hero" although Sonic never considered himself as one. His friends usually had to gain his respect, like Tails who managed to keep up with Sonic so he decided to let him hang around usually keeping an eye on him. In Sonic Adventure, Sonic learned to open his heart to others and be a lot more friendly. Ultimately, Sonic's goal is to have the freedom to live his life to the fullest, and give other people a chance at freedom, as well.
Maekawa Sonic
When Sonic was created, he was always supposed to be a sort of "bad boy" but Japan and America had very different definitions of the term, while Japan made him rebellious and impacient, America really exaggerated his attitude creating the aptly named: 90's 'tude, Sonic was loud mouthed, snarky, very energetic, used a lot of slang, and he was in 90's stardards "way past cool". When writer Shiro Maekawa came on board, him, not satisfied with Classic Sonic, got inspired by the american cartoons and created a more unified Sonic, he was still japanese Sonic but he had more of the attitude American Sonic was known for, this version appealed to a lot more people for his cool factor and how he bounces off other characters.
IDW/Frontiers Sonic
After his run at Archie ended, Ian Flynn started his run at IDW, taking place in the Game world, with a new Sonic. Having fought evil for 30 years gave Sonic a newfound maturity, he's a lot more heroic in the american sense, his attitude has been toned down, and he's now giving life advice to people. This Sonic has lost a lot of his flaws, making him sort of a "perfect hero". He still has the same goal: give people a chance at freedom. And he's still motivated by that goal to the end. The world around him challenges his views by putting him in situations where there's not a clear right anwser, and yet Sonic keeps doing what he thinks is right rather than what other people would consider the right choice in those same scenarios. This version of Sonic has been heavily criticized, but it was actually approved by Takashi Iizuka himself:"Ian has been working as a comic writer for a long time, so I was very familiar with his work, but after reading the IDW comics, I was even more impressed with his talent,".
Ultimately i think this is a good version of Sonic, but he still has a lot of room for improvement.
Gonna have to clarify i am not really an idw Sonic fan, i am one of the only people who neither hates nor loves IDW, i'm more of an Archie and Fleetway kinda person myself. So in this analysis i tried staying as unbiased and fair as possible, i don't really like how they softened Sonic out, but i can also appreciate the ideas they were going for and the writing is also pretty solid, Ian Flynn is a very experienced writer and i'm glad they brought him to write the games. Anyways my favorite version of game Sonic is Maekawa Sonic, since SA2 is my favorite Sonic story from the games, and i really like the energy he has, always bringing a smile to my face, also he's really cool. My ranking would be:
Maekawa Sonic
Classic Sonic
IDW/Frontiers Sonic.
That's about it.
I'm not sure if I agree with that. But I have to wait for pariah's sonic comicbook video, so that we can find out why ian doesn't qualify as a sonic writer.
@@crimsonzone8984 That's fine if you don't agree, i just wanted to make a respectful analysis from these three versions of Sonic which are very similar but with some minor changes.
I'm also working on an analisys of every version of American Sonic, that's where Sonic's personality really changes with each version.
Also what exactly do you disagree, if it's about IDW Sonic, i already knew people wouldn't agree to that, but i think IDW Sonic is the most overhated version of Sonic EVER, like the amount of people calling this the worst Sonic is insane to me, trust me, if you think THAT is the worst version of Sonic, you've seen NOTHING!
IDW Sonic could use some improvements but he's not even near as bad as people make him out to be.
Though if you disagree with something else, please let me know in the replies.
@@Rainyar4779 now this here sounds like overhating. Look man, it's fine to like any version of the character, and some people like me don't gotta like those other versions. It's fine. It's just that other versions are other versions that shouldn't be with other versions. Especially with true sonic. I don't hate Ian's take on sonic, I just don't like it. That's all. I can't really explain the problem with him writing sonic. I've lost a lot of brain cells dealing with angry children (sonic fans). Which is why we should just wait for my moody mask man to explain things for me.
@@crimsonzone8984 What overhating did you see in my comment? I just said there are way worst versions of Sonic than IDW Sonic, didn't even mention any names.
Thank god this fixed version exists. I would've stopped watching after 15 seconds if I had to put up with the whole video only playing in one ear.
Surprised you didn't take down the original, or at least edit the title to point to there being a new version. I would've never noticed that there was a fixed version if I hadn't searched the comments.
Understandable I had audio problems my first go around. But I tried to plug this version through the card up top and at the end. But I do need to find a way to take people to there.
You know, when people discover THE true Sonic (and get frustrated that we didn't get that Sonic because of mistranslation and the fact SEGA and Sonic Team stopped with the JP Sonic in 2010 and get frustrated at the fact a lot of people don't know what True Sonic is) people end up dismissing or even outright reject any other (American) Sonic because it's not Sonic.
Using Batman as an example of the core characters was smart. At the core Batman is a pacifist. (In a minimal sense. In a sense he doesn't kill and doesn't use guns) However, I imagine that people who are more into the dark version of Batman like Batman the Animated Series, Dark Knight trilogy, and Arkham series may not like lighthearted and more comedic Batman because that may not be their Batman. Just saying. I could be wrong.
Now I wanna talk about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (TMNT) starting with the original Mirage TMNT comic. I won't get too much in detail but I will say at the core Turtles and Splinter were never discovered on the surface, (except for some people) they fight the Foot Clan, and it has some pretty dark stories. (Some people say it's ridiculously dark)
The 1987 cartoon was nothing like Mirage TMNT. I will say they got the characters right. (Except for Raph who wasn't a hothead in this show) Though the turtles we already out of the shadows, they aren't really ninjas, (Unlike Mirage TMNT) the bad guys most of the time are Shredder, Bebop, and Rocksteady with not much of the army, and it's a lighthearted show for kids. And yet it's an iconic show as many people grew up watching this show. I'd say this show got lucky as most of the people who watched 87 cartoon haven't read Mirage TMNT.
The 2003 series was more faithful to the original. I'd even say that many original Mirage TMNT stories were adapted in the 2003 show in seasons 1-3 while making the original characters and also keeping it kid-friendly. (most of the time)
I would describe the 2012 TMNT as a middle ground between the 1987 and 2003 shows. I mean it takes some elements and characters from those shows while also making their own original stuff. Compared to the 2003 series, the 2012 is the same but different.
And now the Rise of TMNT. I can say I understand why people didn't like it at first. I mean the turtles and Splinter are nothing like they were in previous shows. Thought later on they warmed up to it and said it's a pretty decent show when they judged it as it is and not for what it is not.
You know, when people discover the original version or the best/the most right version, (or both) people will start to dismiss or even outright reject the other version because it's not it. Or they say it's not it because it's missing the key component that makes it what it is. Even though the other versions may have some substance behind it. (if it does have it)
While Pariah695 does dismiss or even rejects the American Sonic because that's not Sonic, he does say that we shouldn't judge for what it is not and should judge for what it is. Just saying.
I definitely agree! Since i consumed all kinds of Sonic media, i gained an appreciation for every version of Sonic.
Like Satam and AOSTH had an hyperactive and rebellious Sonic that had a bit of an ego, but also a heart of gold. Archie expanded on that while also combining him with game Sonic.
STC had Sonic be a jerk that uses a tough attitude to hide his low self esteem.
Even IDW, who has a more mature Sonic who loves freedom and is just trying to share his freedom with everyone else. All those versions are true to some aspects of Sonic but have their own unique identity that makes them unique. And i love all of them, at their core they are all Sonic.
"I'm just a guy that loves adventure, i'm Sonic The Hedgehog!"
Pariah695 did say that those other versions should continue on as their own separate brand, rather than ditching them and trying to fix the lore as one timeline when it just causes more damage than fixes.
@@crimsonzone8984 Agreed, i love Archie Sonic but if it took place in the same universe as the games everything would be a mess.
IDW Sonic doesn't have that problem so i guess i'll give it that, still like Archie more but that's just a preference thing.
@@crimsonzone8984it doesn't cause "more damage" it allows for more stories to be told.
Hey remember me from Pariah's stream? That was a ton of fun i had a very good time.
Yup I do it definitely was! Nice seeing you again!
Tbh, I think Sonic the Comic's cockiness is cool because its typical of protagonists in strips of his time, so there it feels like a cool adaptation
Channel Pup made a proper video on this.
I may check it out but I used to watch Sunset City and I saw what he said on Twitter so I think I have a pretty good opinion where he stands on the matter but I maybe surprised I’ll check it out later if you send a link or something.
@@Solebinku The video is good but Channel Pup really doesn't understand japanese Sonic that much.
@@Rainyar4779 Oh I already knew I used to be a big Sunset City fan. I kept finding flaws in their stuff.
@@SolebinkuY’know I’ve been meaning to check out that podcast more, how is it? And what are its flaws?
I laugh when people say "Sonic X isn't 'canon'" when there's no comprehensive story of the game series to begin with; also they conveniently forget that SEGA was overseeing the project
@IZZYCHAN13 It's not in the game universe. That was always the case. And Sonic OVA was also overseen by the Ohshima and Naka sooo.
I think alot of sonic fans fail to realise sonic is kinda like luffy from one piece both not being traditional heros both have a love of freedom and being emotional intelligent without saying a word
ian flynn said that christmas island isnt canon any more
*NOOOOOOOOOO-*
Edit: yeah so I get the reason why is because Sega forces them too if yall watched the podcast you would know
BRUH
Lol trying to erase sonic s' true history now huh ?
Well f+#* him .
The franchise is becoming a disorganized mess and Ian and these social media teams are sabotaging the franchise.
No wonder why the franchise as become soulless after the 2000s .
Also why Nintendo is better.
@@Darkparadox64 I think he was forced to by Sega
@@Darkparadox64you do realize the he isn't the one who made that decision right? He just stated what he was told about the story of the games by the higher-ups, he nor the social media team have anything to do with that, people who say that they do have no idea what there talking about and just want to find a reason to hate on ian, the guy is writer and the stuff that he adds to the story only can be added if approved by the higher-ups.
How does Sonic have a big ego, and he is selfless googel? That's a totally different character😂!
Google is just going off the false information it doesn’t know 😭
This now makes me wonder if the Japanese and American Versions of Shadow have major differences too. You really opened up a massive rabbit hole for me on this one. My curiosity is hella piqued right now. Though here's a question for you: Would you say that it would be better to treat Western Sonic as like an Alternate Universe Sonic that's completely separate from Japanese Sonic? Seems to me like that'd be a good way to separate them from each other due to the drastic differences between the two.
@WackyModder84 Shadow's Western interpretations either stick with him as more of a blatant villain (Boom) or looking at Archie make him more or less a furry superhero/paramilitary member. And that's ignoring the Takeovers having him just be memes/fanon.
I really wanna hear you go into IDw Sonic's character. You definitely would have alot to say about that guy haha
For sure lol. It may come very soon or later on in the future who knows.
How dear Flynn write Sonic the way he wants in some comic!
Problem is that IDW is canon to the games, so the future sonic games will have his character like that
@@LowQualitySpamtonDeltarune ...? His writing in Frontiers is pretty different.
Who cares if they're canon? You say it like that affects anything
@@miadatenshi9903 because he is writing the next sonic stories and character, we will be stuck with that characterization for a while now
@@LowQualitySpamtonDeltarune Only in Eng scripts at most. The main cast still act how they're seen by SoJ/ST post-Frontiers (see Joypolis).
@@galten7361 I dont speak Japanese sadly so thats all I have
It’s kind of like a similar thing with any video game franchise made in their respective countries like The Legend of Zelda franchise in Japan!
4:48 this isn’t an accurate telling of how mario’s name came. in japan there’s wasn’t any “jumpman” or “pauline” it was just “player” and “lady”. so jumpman is actually the made up localization thing, the name mario came in DK jr.
I wish the big Sonic The Hedgehog channels would actually go and watch videos like this because they are mostly just using the English version of the games more than Japan which eng doesn’t do the characters and stories justice!
That sounds gatekeepy and ignorant
I love American Sonic, mainly the adventure and Saturday morning versions. But when people say Ian will be the savior of Sonic I can’t help but wonder what crack they are smoking. Ian hates Sonic team sonic and wants it to be more like Archie. But Archie Sonic was a bitchy hero. Game Sonic is a guy who loves adventure. Game Amy should be a girly girl with an extreme love for Sonic and childish dreams for the future. Not some magical girl boss who is embarrassed by her crush. Ian is not the writer people want him to be. Everything people say are mandated by sega have been shown to be Ian’s will
Here’s how I’d handle Sonic in canon. I’d have the Japanese interpretation be the main basis and I’ll add a little bit of American like Robotnik and Chili Dogs (though not leaning too much into Chili Dogs).
I'm not sure why i always had the general idea of Sonic's persovdlity being closer to the Japanese while not really looking for it, but i guess Sonic X and other stuff gave me the general idea
Recent Shadow Generations discourse about the Vs Sonic cutscene has points that say Sonic is meant to be a bit of an asshole (especially in regards to others' pov) who "dances on the face of the enemy" or smth like that, might be misremembering
Now, I haven't finished the video, so idk how that matches with the JP version, but I really don't know how I feel about that aspect of his. Like, I get it, the likes of Knuckles, Shadow and Eggman can def see him as a nonstop blabbering jerk, but in my opinion, that should ONLY be how they see him _occasionally_ when he's pruposefully trying to banter with them, and just annoy Eggman. But Sonic actually being a jerk shouldn't be a core trait unless it's in moments _he's_ annoyed by the other character, like how he rolls his eyes to Tails when they land in the Egg Carrier (I dislike that scene only because I myself get scolded a lot for asking/pointing out "dumb shit" so seeing he go through that hits a tad personally), or when he scolds Marine for... whatever she did.
Point is, Sonic, for me, should be cool, with an edge compared to Mario, and who likes to banter, but he shouldn't be a jerk for it.
Imagine if Chip wasn't like he was. Imagine he's not "annoying" and doesn't act like Scrappy-Doo or like a "loud naive dummy".
Now, recall to all the slapstick where he flicks Chip off or shoves him aside cuz he just cannot simmer down. Taking that off of Chip, Sonic would just be being a jerk to him for no reason.
...idk what my original point even is anymore, been typing for a long time, but just saying. People like asshole characters but Sonic shouldn't be like that just because he was supposed to be cooler than Mario.
And from the JP cutscenes of some of the games like Adventure, Colors and Lost World, I feel like he mostly doesn't have that, like how he playfully calls out Knuckles for being tricked instead of being annoyed by it, or how he compliments Tails in Colors instead of talking him down for not being in the action.
I’m a little confused. Can there be different versions of Sonic? Cause in the video, you said that there can be other versions of the character, but you also say that Japanese Sonic should be the only Sonic. Can there be different interpretations?
@@ZachMiller-ox1fn Yes for a general idea as of the world we live in yes. When I say that anyone can enjoy their interpretations and it’s ok they exist I say this as a person who knows where we are as a franchise and accept we already have them and people are allowed to like them.
But I think I said this in my video, personally I would rather there be only one Sonic to stop this confusion and have this debate that Sonic was never consistent gone. Because I personally would want that but that isn’t our reality. I’d rather have consistency if we’re trying to do branding and lore or whatever.
Where we are now though I’m fine with there being multiple interpretations but I want to see the Sonic Sega intended to have to be the main Sonic. And the others as their own even if I don’t like them.
Okay. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Movie Sonic is (personally) my favorite version of Sonic (mainly because I love how he is a relatable character), but I do understand that it’s not Sonic. It is a different version that I really like.
Takashi Iizuka wrote shadow the hedgehog
What is the biggset problem with iranFlan Sonic
That is… to be continued in another video
I personally like how Ian Flynn writes Sonic, but there are some small differences with him and japanese Sonic that can bother some people who prefer that version of the character.
For one, his ego, in Archie Sonic, Sonic's ego gave him an interesting extra layer that added more depth to the character. In IDW, however, since it's supposed to be the same Sonic from the games, many people don't like that.
Another thing is the way the dialogue is written, it's not bad but it's heavily inspired by jaleel white Sonic, so people who liked the 90's cartoons enjoy this version of the character while japanese Sonic purists really want those versions of Sonic to stay separate.
One last thing, and this is IDW exclusive, so no Archie, Sonic is kind of a goody two shoes. One thing people like about Sonic is that Sonic can be kind of rude, impacient, and just overall doesn't care about what other people think, this Sonic retains some of that, but he can get preachy at times, where old Sonic would naturally affect people in positive ways by just being himself, IDW Sonic makes active attempts to redeem almost any villain he faces. This makes Sonic feel not as carefree and full of attitude as he used to be, and more like, as a person put it: a snarky optimus prime. This is not a thing in Archie, however, which is one of the reasons i personally enjoy it more, you can have your own opinion however, if you enjoy IDW, that's great, if you don't, that's also great, for me Archie Sonic is absolutely amazing, and many people also feel that way about IDW, so i hope with this comment you can have a more clear understanding of thing!
And it's spelled Ian Flynn by the way.
I like all the sonics. But some sonics have way more problem then others
@@Kian-p7s Agreed
since i see you like dragon ball too have you ever heard of this fanmade sonic and dragon ball crossover called
dragon ball chaos crossover that is really good
Sonic is not and never has been an introvert, not in Japan and not in America. Fukurou-Hoseki was wrong and she has issues with taking criticism like her being hypocritical about HER own definition of an introvert. Fukorou-Hoseki states that introverts are composed and don't show emotions like anger, while stating that Knuckles is an introvert, when he's usually openly aggressive and reactive, so which is it?. She did not look at the introvert/extrovert spectrum wholistically neither and did she mention his cognitive behaviour. Sonic is a cognitively extroverted person. You see, cognitive extroversion relies on external/"real" world and Sonic obviously loves it and revels in it, that is the core of his character, so that's why he's fundamentally a cognitive extrovert (Also he's a great positive example of the Jungian Rebel archetype). I could explain to you jungian functions as well and that Sonic is a ES/Extroverted Sensation type, but that would be too much effort for me to bother, unless you want to hear more about it. Showing emotions can be an extroverted trait, but doesn't have to be and you don't need to be a narcissistic extrovert to not be expressive with them. Extroverts can also struggle with taking compliements, that is more about emotional experience and maturity of someone, not them being an extrovert. Not to mention "the long time no see" sentence he says is almost a catchphrase throught the whole franchise, pretty much every main character says it, does that make everyone an introvert? I also forgot to mention earlier that Sonic X is not canon, so it has little importance to game Sonic as a character.
While trying to find Hoseki's original video I found this one that debunks that idea, ruclips.net/video/H1KQ5-3_G1k/видео.html. But my insight on his cognitive behaviour was strictly mine so if you want to argue about it, direct the questions to me
Calm down; it's ok if a fictional character has a personality you're not familiar with 😅
I would argue that, just because extroverts can have personality traits that are similar to introverts, that doesn't mean sonic can't be an introvert. Sonic's largely self interested and often doesn't go out to do things other characters do (like tails surfing in the OVA, and the human characters going on a picnic (in the first episode that eggman tricks knuckles) in sonic X)
Also, sonic X might not be canon, but it does use accurate characterizations of a decent amount of the characters, including but not limited to sonic
I think sonic being an ES type checks out, but from what I understand about the character, he's very much willing to sit down and relax, to the point that, if he's not an introvert, one could forgive me for believing otherwise
And lastly, knux is definitely an introvert. Even if he outwardly expresses anger, he's been described as shy around girls, he's naive due to a somewhat lacking social life, the dude sits in once place every time we see him (when applicable, ofc), and in X, knux often breaks off from the crowd to do his own thing
@@igirjei3717 Sonic is a very strong willed individual if he says he doesn't feel like doing an activty, there's not much you can do from breaking his will, which that itself is already describing an ES type. Also Sonic is/should be a pretty chill extrovert, he's not over the top like Deadpool, just because Sonic is taking a break from typical extroverted activities, doesn't mean he's not an extrovert. Tbh he's like 60% extroverted, but that doesn't change he is a cognitive extrovert, there is no spectrum in cognitive extroversion, you're either extroverted or introverted.
Knuckles, Shadow, Blaze, Tails and Espio are undisputed introverts. I was pointing out hypocrisy of Fukurou-Hoseki's definition of an introvert. Espio is an Introverted Thinking type, same as Tails though he's IT(N) or an INTP in MBTI.
I will argee with you, i am the guy who wants to understand characters from their original creators from the countries where they were made and what type of character they are originally created with.😊😉
I get where you're coming from, im a Spider-Man fanand if you've seen how he has been portrayed in movies and cartoons very few people actually understand that character, even the comics right now are having trouble with that but i think this video lacks alot of nuance when it comes to how sega has handled things internally and who is really to blame for the contradictory portrayal.
Also as an American sonic fan who has consumed American sonic media, as far as I've seen he has been portrayed the way you say he is in JP, the actual differences are extremely miniscule and alot of the things you say he isn't you then contradict yourself by saying and showing how he is.
The quality of the games themselves and how they are presented is the actual issue with sonic, not the storytelling nor sonics portrayal.
I'd also argue the idea of 'Sonic being a ladies' man' isn't even really a thing in early western canon or SatAM. That moreso comes from Archie creating manufactured romantic drama. Sonic gets easily flustered and shy around Sally, hiding behind humor and brushing things off rather than engaging in overt romanticism and can get shy around her. The only reason SatAM Sonic is even as comfortable around sally as he is-- is because they've been childhood friends for the vast majority of their lives together. I don't think early western sonic really misunderstood the core of his character in any meaningful way.
Arguably that's more a creation of Yuji Naka wanting Sonic to have a 'human girlfriend' than anything which SatAM and the American writers went through painstakingly long lengths to make fit better within Sonic's defined world.
Also the idea that Japanese Sonic doesn't save animals is absurd and contradicts the gameplay footage he has on screen. The insinuation that saving animals is antithetical to Sonic, or even roboticization (which has been alluded to, shown, referenced, or outright stated in numerous Japanese produced or overseen media) is a bit outright disingenous.
Big bang question: 😁 sonic is a hedgehog-like fairy (fantasy creature), right? Can he beat goku with this fact? Does he solo the dragon ball verse, knowing that he's an actual fairy-type?
While I still like the current movies,games and shows of Sonic, I definitely get you or Pariah6950’s points regarding the original Japanese lore
And honestly, if I had my way, I’d base Sonic more off the original
This is a really eye opening video. I've been doing a marathon of the sonic games recently and this time i really wanted to pay attention to the story of these games. I decided to download the retranslated mods for sa1 and sa2 and played other games in japanese too. It was a great experience and it made me love sa2's story and characterization of everyone way more. However when i got to the american written games i put it over to english and now i just feel like punching sonic every time he opens his mouth because he is made to be this joke cracking, cocky, sarcastic idiot who is so annoying. I know japanese sonic does crack jokes and is sometimes sarcastic but in the english version for lost world he is unbearable and is always so cocky. I am really glad this video exists because it made me appreciate sonics character more. Sonics character in japan is more interesting and likable and enjoyable than however pontac and graff write sonic as. I cant really say much about ian flynn since i havent read the archie or the idw comics much. Thanks for making the video (Junichi Kanemaru is the best sonic voice. I love him)
Can you teach me how you draw sonic?
@@shemayahalexander6601 Maybe one day in a video I will!
@@Solebinku thank you
As far as im aware the JP audience doesn't really like how sonic has been portrayed either, so i don't know what you mean there.
Yeah that’s just a lie buddy
@@Solebinku again, as far as I'm aware, because I have heard they are just as divided as we are here
@@TiredMoonRabbit They are divided by Frontiers because they know it isn’t the same as the English it has nothing to do with the characters themselves.
@@Solebinku how? The story of Frontiers is almost entirely about the characters, thus the melancholy setting.
@@TiredMoonRabbit it’s dubbing problem trying to make them in character while fitting it in Ian’s dub for please look at the games subtitled they’re available by Windii
I have a theory there is a Japanese only build of Sonic Dream Team. And what about the Forces scripts. I still don't understand, is it similar?
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I’m super late but that’s a wild take that Emmy jones could do sonic better than Ian Flynn 😂😂😂
@@KurooTheEditor Have you ever watched Sonic and Tails R? Also do you like know the characters? Because to no degree does Ian do Sonic right.
@@Solebinku I mean sonic archie reboot was great, and IDW is doing amazing I think saying he does no degree of good is just flat out wrong.
@@KurooTheEditor Well he isn’t really writing Sonic the characters or the stories and again if we’re talking about his actual character and actually making a Sonic story he’s doing bad. Just because people like it it doesn’t mean he isn’t doing it wrong plenty dislike it and know how the characters are.
You’re mistaking liking something for it actually being what it used to be. And again it’s just not the same stories or the same characters I like the characters from the games not media with less of an understanding of them. Like what you like.
@@Solebinku what copium are you on about? he is very much a writer and he wrote sonic frontiers which did better than most 3d sonic games to recent date.....am I in a alternate dimension where Ian Flynn is good or?
@@KurooTheEditor Ok just because he’s a writer doesn’t mean I need to think he’s good he has plenty of writing flaws. Also who cares if he was in a popular game so was Sonic 1 and others who cares. Since colors was a good game does that mean they write as good as Ian? Also no you have a different opinion on someone who isn’t something I like are you dense like what you like he’s bad imo.
Sorry but sonic looks like hes on fent in your thumbnail
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