@@Machistmo yeah, and the SF750 and Seasonic 650 both handle it damn well, and a good case does thermals well too, without taking up half my table.. it’s a complete win despite the itx price premium.
I love how smaller cases are becoming more mainstream! Never been a fan of all the open space in ATX cases. Dropped $210 on a Sliger CL530 and prefer true SFF cases but this is an awesome trend for the masses imo.
I totally and want to build a truly small rig in a Sliger case and deck it out with hardware but, justifying $210 dollars on a case when I could easily get a hardware updgrade for the difference in price is a tough pill to swallow for me
@@jmjjmj196 If your that serious you will spend the money. Many do. ITX builds cost more example mb asus rog strix b450f atx 95 pounds, asus rog strix b450 i itx 150 pounds, then theres the psu's
@@arklight1670 I guess I’m not serious enough to buy a 210 dollar aluminum shell. I can justify paying more for special small parts like the motherboard and psu. But the reason that the case is expensive is not because of there increased difficulty to manufacture but there niche market. The best entry sff case is the nr200 (yes I understand that this case is still rather large compared to true sff cases). I wish there were more sff cases priced in that range. I would pay a premium but not double the price of your standard mid range case.
Came here to say something similar. It's good to see manufacturers starting to step into mITX but it seems like this is just a slightly shrunk ATX case, rather than true mITX.
James Lamb Problem is the more boutique those designs get, the more expensive they will get. More shared components across cases leads to overall cheaper designs, not to also mention this is a great addition into the market for ITX cases with ATX PSU support. This is a less niche case than the boutique options, and hopefully (to Phanteks), means they can draw a larger crowd
It is odd, my advertised M-ATX case is actually tad smaller 225x374x390 than this (230x375x395) and only $22.20 with almost identical layout lulz... tho alum mesh w/ acrylic.
The ML-08b/RVZ-02 and Node 202 layout has yet to be improved upon, and those cases are from 2015. If a case isn't using an SFX PSU, I feel like it's barely even taking advantage of the itx form factor.
@@speedibusrex Yeah, but worse for weight thus possible noise due to vibration (unless there is some support on the bottom of the PSU, ontop the motherboard)
@@speedibusrex hot air rises so if it’s dumping hot air over the cpu and ram it isn’t very good. At least it has an exhaust fan though. Would be best if it had mesh up top for the psu. If I’m not seeing it and it’s there nvm. Lol
PSU on top is Bad... Covered at the bottom isnt the best for heat but its fine... Vented at the bottom and out the back its just fine with fresh air coming from the front. Its a NON issue. PSU over the board is horrible to look at... Keep the PSU under.... Keep your gpu and cpu separate... The looks is BAD too with wires all over the place...
This case needs to be definitive, I want it right now! Phanteks you are still doing great in every case size, good job, it's a bit large for an ITX case but it's still a great looking case.
Having two Phanteks cases so far, which I love, and considering the P360A for a dedicated gaming only PC, this case makes me want to look at ITX motherboards for that system to go even smaller.
This looks like an evolution of the Metallic Gear NEO Mini series. I’ve really loved my Mini V2, even with the solid front with side vents. Having dual 140MM fans in the front keeps everything cool. Great content!
I had the metallicgear neo micro. It was compact at 30l, but I upgraded to an NZXT h510 and visually looks barely any bigger, despite the neo micro being quite small for an matx ça se.
I just built a new ITX gaming PC using a NZXT H210 ITX (Black) case & for $80USD it is an amazing case that gives you the option to use a full ATX powersupply while still being a small form factor ITX case, I highly recommend the NZXT H210!
@@barkley206 They're not really my preference either but I don't think they're necessarily useless. Most people don't really need more than what fits on an ITX board (especially for a gaming system) and these days ITX motherboards aren't really any more expensive either. So you're not necessarily giving up much but getting a somewhat smaller system that still has good airflow and water cooling support. Again, *I* wouldn't buy it but I can understand why somebody might.
Didnt bother to test with air cooler? i bet the gpu temps are fantastic when you swap the front rad to regular intake fans and throw a noctua nhu12 in there.
At that point the CPU will be breathing a lot of GPU air, and the GPU will be breathing some of the CPU air. It's largely a zero sum game. Air in, Air out. It's up to the user to decide which parts get the freshest air. I think what might be the best option is if you ran a 240 AIO blowing out, with the side fans blowing in, somewhat isolating that air loop. Then you mount two bottom fans blowing into an RTX 3000 series Founders card that also somewhat isolates its air with the blower portion of the design. A rear fan exhausts the rest. Of course running that many fans you'd want to go with Noctuas or it's going to get quite noisy.
I'm sure this will be successful and people will enjoy it so I'm not trying to take away from that, but for me personally I don't quite understand 'large' ITX cases. They're not dramatically smaller than a compact mATX and even ATX case, but an mATX and ATX motherboard offers far more variety and hardware support.
@@MisterRorschach90 I'm looking for something to mount 2x 240 AIO radiators in and it's funny how nothing has come by since 2016 that compares to the Nano S. NR200 comes close but don't want to mount a radiator at the bottom
This case is still a tempting buy for me in 2022. It isn't much smaller than the Meshify C mini, although that is a Micro-ATX case. While a front panel USB-C would be nice to have I feel that the top ventilation of the Meshify would allow for better and more streamlined air-flow.
I have finally bought an evolv x (out of stock for the longest time...) and it's amazing. Phanteks makes a lot of quality cases (I've had other 3 cases before)
This seems like a nice alternative to the Metallicgear Neo Mini V2 and their Neo Mini G. Glad to see top mount PSUs making a comeback but since the fans don't spin all the time no many models it doesn't serve as an extra exhaust. I like that we have options to get the GPU away from getting blocked by PSU/shrouds.
The ATX power supply has become a must. I ended up making my recent build mATX with a Meshify mini instead of ITX with the NR200 over the power supply. SFX units are so expensive and so hard to find it wasn't worth the hassle. I just want something that fits nicely on my desk and this would be perfect.
Dont know where you are in the world but in my country it is only about a $40-70 difference between ATX and SFX (750w Gold $40 difference, 750w Plat $70 difference). So it is not that much more expensive, but having said that if you feel you need ATX more then go for it :). Also all the PSUs are in stock and I am not in the USA.
@@AG-bp3ll Ah fair enough, one of the few times, not being in the USA was a good thing for price lol :P (sidenote hope it improves for you guys soon though
That cable management looks pretty interesting. Overall, this case looks very promising. Not looking to do another build any time soon, but I'm liking the vented side panel by the GPU. Sure they have a T.G. option as well, but in this configuration, I could see it being made into a bit of a "sleeper" machine. Sure, you can't "show off" your interior design with the side panel on, but being a smaller case, one could take this to a LAN Party (at some point hopefully), and still impress people. Plus, no need to worry about breaking your glass side panel during transit. The only other possible thing missing would be a handle on the top, aside from that thumb screw that you mentioned. Very nice so far!
Interesting case with quite a unique airflow design! I was just wondering, have you done vertical GPU tests while the mesh side panel is on? It kinda looks like it was designed for that purpose.
I love seeing more ITX cases! If I can ever get my hands on a founder's edition 3080 I plan to move the ITX build I have in my living room over from a Cooler Master Elite 130 to a Silverstone RVZ03. Gotta get a case that'll fit in my new entertainment stand!
Hello. Can't help but wonder three things. 1. AIO to side Exhaust with the two fans at the front as intake? 2. AIO front intake, 2 side intakes, 1 Rear Exhaust? 3. Dimitri, do you think the case would benefit form a 120 or 140 MM fan placement to the top of the case, in front of PSU? Great video. Looking forward to more content in 2021.
I feel like you could do a slim radiator at the front and bottom (since GPU block drops cooler footprint) all as intake and then use one of those EK distro blocks with built in D5 on the other front fan mount. Then run rear for exhaust. Could even cover the PSU with one of those displays for a sensor panel to pretty it up a bit and hide cables. Very excited to see the final version.
The problem with the temperatures with this case is exactly the same as the Neo Mini V2, and that has to do with the GPU sitting so low on the case (even if there's a bottom air intake) Basically you have to decide whether to cool effectively the CPU or the GPU, but not both at the same time. When revving up the front fans the air flow will work against the air that the GPU fans are trying to pull in, and the front fans will win --> GPU temps increases a lot. Lowering the front fans speed will facilitate the GPU to get its own fresh air, but at the expense of increasing CPU temps. On the Neo Mini V2, the best compromise I found was a slightly negative pressure setup: - Front fans at low RPM just to help bring in some fresh air for the CPU air cooler. - Good flow rear fan at medium / high rpms
I havent seen any big coverage of this case, but p360a is an ATX case i completely enjoyed building in. The best part was its price, i got mine for 60$! Edit: This p200 case looks sick, got to love the signature phanteks look while also adding alot of beautiful niches that this case has compared to other phantek cases
I would love a comparison video of this case with the NZXT H200 and other larger ITX cases. While some people think ITX cases have to be super small, I prefer the 20-30L mark. Not so big to be obnoxious and not so small to just be a box on my desk.
Please make this Phanteks and ship it everywhere. The NR200 is great but my ATX power supply is just too long for my even longer 1070 to fit in that case with the 3D printed bracket.
Just an FYI for anyone looking to buy this for the vertical GPU mounting, Phanteks includes a bracket, but they DO NOT include a cable. So if you don't buy or already have a riser cable, the bracket they include is 100% worthless. Otherwise a pretty great case.
you can use a 280 AIO in front and still use the side with slim fans like artic have! just put the 140 fans in front of the case and radiator in back and put the slim´s 120 in side position and it will fit nicely!
love this, and I will buy it when it comes out. currently have an h210i and a 280 rad, and the gpu seems to be compromised as I would only be able to put a 3070 in there. love how it also supports atx power supplies, which is what i have as well. ty HC!
@@ivanbrasla that's true, thought they had a 3 slot in the neo v2. Looks like I was wrong. Just wanted phanteks to take a bigger step in itx to compete with nr200.
That's just a reskin of one of their daughter companies PC's (MetallicGear Neo Mini). It's sitting right next to my monitor! All the cutouts are the same, with the only differences being 3 slot gpu compatibility and an SFX PSU bracket
the Cooler Master nr200 is smaller then this case and can fit a 280mm AIO, its also actually released and potentially cheaper, also the stock thermals are among the best for ITX
It needs a side panel that is half glass and half fine mesh so you can have the TG for the mobo area and the air intake for the GPU whether its horizontal or vertical
ITX with 2 USB-A and a USB-C. Sure its more mATX than ITX but I do value the front port selection for quickly plugging in a keyboard and mouse when in a hurry or the space to plug in a USB and xbox controller with future support for what USB-C will bring. I loved the NZXT H210, and if it had this I would have definitely gone for it, but I chose the Lian Li TU150 as it did have 2 USB-A and 1 USB-C.
I prefer either the true SFF mITX myself, but still good to see more and more mainstream companies supporting the form factor. Still think at this size I'd rather do the O11 dynamic mini and have full atx support with sff psu.
I don't think the GPU temp is impacted that much by heat coming from the radiator, it's probably a matter of pressure setup and fan positioning. The GPU appears to be too low for the front and side fans so they don't cool it directly. With a positive pressure setup, the GPU struggles to draw fresh air from the bottom. Some warm air may even circulate under it for a while since there is no direct airflow from a fan. This problem disappears with a negative pressure setup, but of course that causes the radiator to use warmer air from inside. I'm not sure what to think of this case right now, you're supposed to buy it for its performance (not for its footprint for sure) but it's not as great as it should be.
When will case manufacturers realize that if you angle a surface, you can make the case thinner while still supporting 120mm and 140mm case fans, they'll just be less efficient. My dream case is something with an all vertical orientation like the ml08b but with better cooling capability.
seems like for the sake of water cooling, it would be very beneficial if they'd just increase the length slightly to enable you to mount another rad as intake from the right side panel. Then you could very comfortably have a CPU/GPU on the same loop with pretty uncompromising performance. This layout reminds me a lot of the O11 mini, but seemingly with less compatibility (though it is admittedly smaller, 30L vs. 38L).
O11D mini which isn't exactly mini and this ITX case which is 30L lol But I can save good money compared with NR200+ SFX PSU. A bit worried about GPU thermal though, maybe 2*120 fan at the bottom would do wonders - would be great if you could test with a standard fan and slim fan for exhaust vs instake for comparison! Great vid for us good people!
Great case. I'm fan especially of those big ITX cases. But that PSU at the top, put it in the bottom. It's just more aesthetic and we get better airflow and also top mounted radiators are more popular than bottom mounted. It may not be possible to mount one the bottom but people tend to experiment with ITX cases more than with others.
AIO should be exhausting air via the side mount and the front intake fans... should be front intake fans. It will also need that back mounted 120mm exhaust fan to pull enough air towards/ over the motherboard. If you want less fans you will need to go air cooling. Too much venting on the sides makes a bad air tunnel.
Hopefully oems like hp and dell start to think about downsizing too. That even applies to pcs like the optiplex since it make sense to have a corporate pc that is powerful yet compact
I think there SHOULD be some expectation for compromises. Case makers need to move away from supporting atx power supplys for itx cases, that would help with decreasing footprint. Love that itx cases are getting more attention last year and this year looks like its going to get more attention. I do hope they do get smaller tho.
Looks like an interesting case. I wonder how the thermals would be if you did front aio intake and side exhaust. Then put 2 fans for bottom intake, then one more for rear exhaust.
165mm cooler height is excellent! I'm going to convert my P300a with NHd15 build over to this so I can have dual 140mm fans at the bottom firing up at my gpu.
What I'd like to see is a Fractal Meshify C (original model) shrunken down with no radiator clearance when used with matx (air cool optimised) but can have a top mount rad when installed with an itx mb like with the lian li dynamic mini. Would be willing to forgo HD and ATX psu support to get a shorter case
Interesting case. Shame about the front 280 aio issue with the side fans. Would've also preferred a cutout at the top so the PSU could intake fresh air to keep the fan noise down and help with longevity. Hope you get to review the SSUPD. 280 AIO + ATX PSU testing please. 😊
Wish a case manufacturer would just get rid of the handle in the tu150, have room for two front fans with dust filters. I’m fine with a proper 20-23L no compromises case. Maybe a bigger NR200 that allows for 165mm height air coolers (please test on slightly bigger itx boards like Gigsbytes).
I really appreciate the full ATX psu inclusion, for me that's what's stopping me from moving to an ITX. $500 for mobo and quality sfx psu, then the case cost...I think i'd rather just spend money on a new gpu waitlist. Downside is that it's huge. I'd love to see a CM NR300 but that can do a 240mm rad on top + atx psu. it'd have to be just a smidge taller and longer, but not by much.
Looks like metalicgear's neo mini v2 case which has been out for almost 2 years year. (Which is a Daughter brand of phanteks). This has triple slot support however. This one is 29L but the neo mini v2 is ~25L. The glass on the neo looks better IMHO.
ITX is da future :) NR200 is amazing and now we get another great choice for more compact enclosures. I hope we get even more of those cases on the market :D
I'm really happy about the recent push to ITX.. Hoping to se more ITX cases come out!
I agree. Also would like to see some smaller mATX cases as well
Yes ITX make so much sense with a video card pulling 400 watts
@@Machistmo yeah, and the SF750 and Seasonic 650 both handle it damn well, and a good case does thermals well too, without taking up half my table.. it’s a complete win despite the itx price premium.
Same! I would love to build one, soon as GPU stock increases lol
Yup less is more
I love how smaller cases are becoming more mainstream! Never been a fan of all the open space in ATX cases. Dropped $210 on a Sliger CL530 and prefer true SFF cases but this is an awesome trend for the masses imo.
I totally and want to build a truly small rig in a Sliger case and deck it out with hardware but, justifying $210 dollars on a case when I could easily get a hardware updgrade for the difference in price is a tough pill to swallow for me
I go for atx for full features 4 ram slot 2 pcie slot 2 m.2 ssd slot and future gpu massive size... Just build both atx and itx pc lol
@@jmjjmj196 If your that serious you will spend the money. Many do. ITX builds cost more example mb asus rog strix b450f atx 95 pounds, asus rog strix b450 i itx 150 pounds, then theres the psu's
@@Coeb005 it isn’t feasible for most people to build more than one pc
@@arklight1670 I guess I’m not serious enough to buy a 210 dollar aluminum shell. I can justify paying more for special small parts like the motherboard and psu. But the reason that the case is expensive is not because of there increased difficulty to manufacture but there niche market. The best entry sff case is the nr200 (yes I understand that this case is still rather large compared to true sff cases). I wish there were more sff cases priced in that range. I would pay a premium but not double the price of your standard mid range case.
I swear this man's b-roll is unbeatable every video I watch is better and better
kinda neat, but i've seen matx cases that offer more while being just a bit larger. itx at this size seems like a waste.
Came here to say something similar. It's good to see manufacturers starting to step into mITX but it seems like this is just a slightly shrunk ATX case, rather than true mITX.
James Lamb Problem is the more boutique those designs get, the more expensive they will get. More shared components across cases leads to overall cheaper designs, not to also mention this is a great addition into the market for ITX cases with ATX PSU support. This is a less niche case than the boutique options, and hopefully (to Phanteks), means they can draw a larger crowd
Hell, the p300a is only 36l and has full atx support
It is odd, my advertised M-ATX case is actually tad smaller 225x374x390 than this (230x375x395) and only $22.20 with almost identical layout lulz... tho alum mesh w/ acrylic.
The ML-08b/RVZ-02 and Node 202 layout has yet to be improved upon, and those cases are from 2015. If a case isn't using an SFX PSU, I feel like it's barely even taking advantage of the itx form factor.
Seeing the PSU on the top feels quite weird now after all those years.
It's better for convection (fans at the bottom which provide the GPU with fresh air).
I too find it *wired*
@@speedibusrex Yeah, but worse for weight thus possible noise due to vibration (unless there is some support on the bottom of the PSU, ontop the motherboard)
@@speedibusrex hot air rises so if it’s dumping hot air over the cpu and ram it isn’t very good. At least it has an exhaust fan though. Would be best if it had mesh up top for the psu. If I’m not seeing it and it’s there nvm. Lol
PSU on top is Bad... Covered at the bottom isnt the best for heat but its fine... Vented at the bottom and out the back its just fine with fresh air coming from the front. Its a NON issue. PSU over the board is horrible to look at... Keep the PSU under.... Keep your gpu and cpu separate... The looks is BAD too with wires all over the place...
This case needs to be definitive, I want it right now!
Phanteks you are still doing great in every case size, good job, it's a bit large for an ITX case but it's still a great looking case.
Having two Phanteks cases so far, which I love, and considering the P360A for a dedicated gaming only PC, this case makes me want to look at ITX motherboards for that system to go even smaller.
This looks like an evolution of the Metallic Gear NEO Mini series. I’ve really loved my Mini V2, even with the solid front with side vents. Having dual 140MM fans in the front keeps everything cool. Great content!
Was thinking it looked similar. Makes sense as that's made by Phanteks too.
Would love M-ATX motherboard support in a case like this! Looks good!
Same, though I wish we see more M-ATX motherboard in general.
they made a metallicgear case like this, it's their budget brand and they basically used the same case and rebranded it here
I had the metallicgear neo micro. It was compact at 30l, but I upgraded to an NZXT h510 and visually looks barely any bigger, despite the neo micro being quite small for an matx ça se.
It's a shame the PSU isn't at the bottom, you could just mod it to hold MATX...
I just built a new ITX gaming PC using a NZXT H210 ITX (Black) case & for $80USD it is an amazing case that gives you the option to use a full ATX powersupply while still being a small form factor ITX case, I highly recommend the NZXT H210!
New ITX Case!
Me: OH!
It's 30L
Also me: oh...
My full ATX Raijintek Thetis classic is 25L. I always wanted ITX build but these cases are so stupid..
@@barkley206 They're not really my preference either but I don't think they're necessarily useless. Most people don't really need more than what fits on an ITX board (especially for a gaming system) and these days ITX motherboards aren't really any more expensive either. So you're not necessarily giving up much but getting a somewhat smaller system that still has good airflow and water cooling support.
Again, *I* wouldn't buy it but I can understand why somebody might.
Oh, an ITX Case! Oh, it has an ATX Power Supply... it's gonna be huge. Next!
Mini ITX yes but this case and O11 Mini don't advertise "SSF" so it's all good. These cases should have it's own names like ITX tower or something.
30L too big for my liking
Didnt bother to test with air cooler? i bet the gpu temps are fantastic when you swap the front rad to regular intake fans and throw a noctua nhu12 in there.
At that point the CPU will be breathing a lot of GPU air, and the GPU will be breathing some of the CPU air. It's largely a zero sum game. Air in, Air out. It's up to the user to decide which parts get the freshest air.
I think what might be the best option is if you ran a 240 AIO blowing out, with the side fans blowing in, somewhat isolating that air loop. Then you mount two bottom fans blowing into an RTX 3000 series Founders card that also somewhat isolates its air with the blower portion of the design. A rear fan exhausts the rest. Of course running that many fans you'd want to go with Noctuas or it's going to get quite noisy.
I'm sure this will be successful and people will enjoy it so I'm not trying to take away from that, but for me personally I don't quite understand 'large' ITX cases. They're not dramatically smaller than a compact mATX and even ATX case, but an mATX and ATX motherboard offers far more variety and hardware support.
At 30L, this thing is even bigger than the Define Nano S, and that had huge empty spaces if you went with air cooling.
I'd use the extra space for more storage. It's just nice to have options.
This case is a joke compared to the nano s.
@@MisterRorschach90 I'm looking for something to mount 2x 240 AIO radiators in and it's funny how nothing has come by since 2016 that compares to the Nano S.
NR200 comes close but don't want to mount a radiator at the bottom
@SharQ I was actually just looking into the Be Quiet! Pure Loop 240mm AIO.
Fractal need to come out with a Meshify Nano.
This case is still a tempting buy for me in 2022. It isn't much smaller than the Meshify C mini, although that is a Micro-ATX case. While a front panel USB-C would be nice to have I feel that the top ventilation of the Meshify would allow for better and more streamlined air-flow.
pretty neat to see more itx cases. hopefully this becomes more mainstream and prices get competitive
I'm loving this case fam. I can't wait to see what they do with the final product. Great review
Why didn't you tried to add fans on the bottom to blow additional air to the graphics card? 🤔
There's no doubt. Hardware canucks is the king of chasis unboxing and reviews
Happy to see you Chris Pratt
This is his brother, Crisp Ratt.
No, you’re mistaken - it’s his brother Chri Spratt
@@tilley163 Are you sure it is not Chri Spatt?
I have finally bought an evolv x (out of stock for the longest time...) and it's amazing. Phanteks makes a lot of quality cases (I've had other 3 cases before)
This case looks very similar to the case I have which is the MettalicGear Neo Mini v2 (Also made by Phanteks).
This seems like a nice alternative to the Metallicgear Neo Mini V2 and their Neo Mini G. Glad to see top mount PSUs making a comeback but since the fans don't spin all the time no many models it doesn't serve as an extra exhaust. I like that we have options to get the GPU away from getting blocked by PSU/shrouds.
The ATX power supply has become a must. I ended up making my recent build mATX with a Meshify mini instead of ITX with the NR200 over the power supply. SFX units are so expensive and so hard to find it wasn't worth the hassle. I just want something that fits nicely on my desk and this would be perfect.
Dont know where you are in the world but in my country it is only about a $40-70 difference between ATX and SFX (750w Gold $40 difference, 750w Plat $70 difference). So it is not that much more expensive, but having said that if you feel you need ATX more then go for it :). Also all the PSUs are in stock and I am not in the USA.
@@j0my77 I think it is a mostly US issue. Between Covid out of control and Trump tarrifs driving up prices, PSUs have gotten expensive here.
@@AG-bp3ll Ah fair enough, one of the few times, not being in the USA was a good thing for price lol :P (sidenote hope it improves for you guys soon though
This is exactly what I've been waiting for in an ITX case!
That cable management looks pretty interesting. Overall, this case looks very promising. Not looking to do another build any time soon, but I'm liking the vented side panel by the GPU. Sure they have a T.G. option as well, but in this configuration, I could see it being made into a bit of a "sleeper" machine. Sure, you can't "show off" your interior design with the side panel on, but being a smaller case, one could take this to a LAN Party (at some point hopefully), and still impress people. Plus, no need to worry about breaking your glass side panel during transit. The only other possible thing missing would be a handle on the top, aside from that thumb screw that you mentioned. Very nice so far!
This is like a smaller 220t because of the psu placement, absolutely love it
Interesting case with quite a unique airflow design! I was just wondering, have you done vertical GPU tests while the mesh side panel is on? It kinda looks like it was designed for that purpose.
my question still unanswered is if there is airflow problems with a side facing gpu and a the exaust right next to the intake
I love seeing more ITX cases! If I can ever get my hands on a founder's edition 3080 I plan to move the ITX build I have in my living room over from a Cooler Master Elite 130 to a Silverstone RVZ03. Gotta get a case that'll fit in my new entertainment stand!
Hello. Can't help but wonder three things.
1. AIO to side Exhaust with the two fans at the front as intake?
2. AIO front intake, 2 side intakes, 1 Rear Exhaust?
3. Dimitri, do you think the case would benefit form a 120 or 140 MM fan placement to the top of the case, in front of PSU?
Great video. Looking forward to more content in 2021.
Bit of throw back with that top install PSU. Looking balanced, well thought out and might be a good swap out for my Evolv ITX
I feel like you could do a slim radiator at the front and bottom (since GPU block drops cooler footprint) all as intake and then use one of those EK distro blocks with built in D5 on the other front fan mount. Then run rear for exhaust. Could even cover the PSU with one of those displays for a sensor panel to pretty it up a bit and hide cables. Very excited to see the final version.
When an itx case announced, i expect something like Coolermaster nr200.
A D15 flowing back-to-front with both side and front exhaust seems like it would work really well.
The problem with the temperatures with this case is exactly the same as the Neo Mini V2, and that has to do with the GPU sitting so low on the case (even if there's a bottom air intake)
Basically you have to decide whether to cool effectively the CPU or the GPU, but not both at the same time.
When revving up the front fans the air flow will work against the air that the GPU fans are trying to pull in, and the front fans will win --> GPU temps increases a lot.
Lowering the front fans speed will facilitate the GPU to get its own fresh air, but at the expense of increasing CPU temps.
On the Neo Mini V2, the best compromise I found was a slightly negative pressure setup:
- Front fans at low RPM just to help bring in some fresh air for the CPU air cooler.
- Good flow rear fan at medium / high rpms
Cougar QBX was doing this years ago. Still the best bang for buck ITX case and very easy to mod.
You’re case reviews are the best
I havent seen any big coverage of this case, but p360a is an ATX case i completely enjoyed building in. The best part was its price, i got mine for 60$!
Edit: This p200 case looks sick, got to love the signature phanteks look while also adding alot of beautiful niches that this case has compared to other phantek cases
Love it, love it, love it! ITX is my favorite form factor! Keep them coming! 😍
Finally they realized that they can do a mesh cutout for vertical GPU placement.... I was waiting for this for years
I would love a comparison video of this case with the NZXT H200 and other larger ITX cases. While some people think ITX cases have to be super small, I prefer the 20-30L mark. Not so big to be obnoxious and not so small to just be a box on my desk.
Please make this Phanteks and ship it everywhere.
The NR200 is great but my ATX power supply is just too long for my even longer 1070 to fit in that case with the 3D printed bracket.
I have a p300 and I love it! Definitely will get this for my next build!! 😍
Itss about time ITX started moving this direction. I'd be tempted to do a built in it if parts were available
Just an FYI for anyone looking to buy this for the vertical GPU mounting, Phanteks includes a bracket, but they DO NOT include a cable. So if you don't buy or already have a riser cable, the bracket they include is 100% worthless. Otherwise a pretty great case.
you can use a 280 AIO in front and still use the side with slim fans like artic have! just put the 140 fans in front of the case and radiator in back and put the slim´s 120 in side position and it will fit nicely!
This is pretty similar to my old case too, the Metallic Gear Neo Mini v2 but with better airflow
Metallicgear is a sub Brand of Phanteks, so the similarities are a given!
Kicking off 2021 with itx I'm here for it. But sadly I'm not here for top mounted PSUs in 2021 :(
Ahh the joys of things we wont see for months perhaps. Some from last year still aren't at retail.
thank you for the video though.
Getting a negative pressure inside the case probably helps to draw fresh air under and side of the GPU
love this, and I will buy it when it comes out. currently have an h210i and a 280 rad, and the gpu seems to be compromised as I would only be able to put a 3070 in there. love how it also supports atx power supplies, which is what i have as well. ty HC!
Phanteks please a white version of this would be fantastic!
At 2:18 in the bottom left corner you can see that fan on the cup is actually creating draft moving the plant
looks like they just re-released the Metallic gear Neo Mini V2 as a phanteks case... with no major improvements?
They just made it uglier. That’s all. Good point.
Was about to say the same thing, just a rip off
Mesh front and triple-slot for GPU are not minor improvements lol
@@ivanbrasla that's true, thought they had a 3 slot in the neo v2. Looks like I was wrong. Just wanted phanteks to take a bigger step in itx to compete with nr200.
@@wayneqaz12345 Still no NR200 competitors from the big manufacturers, sadly
Jackpot! This might be the answers to replacing my h210i.
Nice case but they need to fix that AIO + side fan compatibility problem asap. If so it looks like it has beat the O11 Mini!
Dued you guys have bad ass camera motion! Not sure how that is done, but it looks amazing!!!
That's just a reskin of one of their daughter companies PC's (MetallicGear Neo Mini). It's sitting right next to my monitor! All the cutouts are the same, with the only differences being 3 slot gpu compatibility and an SFX PSU bracket
Really good to see an ITX that we can put in a 240 AIO
the Cooler Master nr200 is smaller then this case and can fit a 280mm AIO, its also actually released and potentially cheaper, also the stock thermals are among the best for ITX
this might be my first itx case
Companies selling product you can actually buy!
What a concept!
It needs a side panel that is half glass and half fine mesh so you can have the TG for the mobo area and the air intake for the GPU whether its horizontal or vertical
So about the same size as a nano s but with the psu at the top. I think the main draw is going to be support for 3-slot cards and vertical mounting.
ITX with 2 USB-A and a USB-C. Sure its more mATX than ITX but I do value the front port selection for quickly plugging in a keyboard and mouse when in a hurry or the space to plug in a USB and xbox controller with future support for what USB-C will bring.
I loved the NZXT H210, and if it had this I would have definitely gone for it, but I chose the Lian Li TU150 as it did have 2 USB-A and 1 USB-C.
I prefer either the true SFF mITX myself, but still good to see more and more mainstream companies supporting the form factor. Still think at this size I'd rather do the O11 dynamic mini and have full atx support with sff psu.
Love that peel sound :D
Great! more content for Optimum Tech. Thanks Starlord!
I don't think the GPU temp is impacted that much by heat coming from the radiator, it's probably a matter of pressure setup and fan positioning. The GPU appears to be too low for the front and side fans so they don't cool it directly. With a positive pressure setup, the GPU struggles to draw fresh air from the bottom. Some warm air may even circulate under it for a while since there is no direct airflow from a fan. This problem disappears with a negative pressure setup, but of course that causes the radiator to use warmer air from inside.
I'm not sure what to think of this case right now, you're supposed to buy it for its performance (not for its footprint for sure) but it's not as great as it should be.
When will case manufacturers realize that if you angle a surface, you can make the case thinner while still supporting 120mm and 140mm case fans, they'll just be less efficient. My dream case is something with an all vertical orientation like the ml08b but with better cooling capability.
Good to have another option out there but I want to see some more unique SFF cases.
itx case with atx mobo support? sweet! what I'll be looking at for when I build my pc
30L is too large territory. Sliger S620 is 16L, S610 is 13.3, NCASE is 12.7 etc. Generally 15-ish liters is the most I would consider ITX.
seems like for the sake of water cooling, it would be very beneficial if they'd just increase the length slightly to enable you to mount another rad as intake from the right side panel. Then you could very comfortably have a CPU/GPU on the same loop with pretty uncompromising performance. This layout reminds me a lot of the O11 mini, but seemingly with less compatibility (though it is admittedly smaller, 30L vs. 38L).
O11D mini which isn't exactly mini and this ITX case which is 30L lol
But I can save good money compared with NR200+ SFX PSU. A bit worried about GPU thermal though, maybe 2*120 fan at the bottom would do wonders - would be great if you could test with a standard fan and slim fan for exhaust vs instake for comparison! Great vid for us good people!
Hey Dimitry, any word on when this is actually coming to market?
Great case. I'm fan especially of those big ITX cases.
But that PSU at the top, put it in the bottom. It's just more aesthetic and we get better airflow and also top mounted radiators are more popular than bottom mounted. It may not be possible to mount one the bottom but people tend to experiment with ITX cases more than with others.
AIO should be exhausting air via the side mount and the front intake fans... should be front intake fans. It will also need that back mounted 120mm exhaust fan to pull enough air towards/ over the motherboard. If you want less fans you will need to go air cooling. Too much venting on the sides makes a bad air tunnel.
Hopefully oems like hp and dell start to think about downsizing too. That even applies to pcs like the optiplex since it make sense to have a corporate pc that is powerful yet compact
I think there SHOULD be some expectation for compromises. Case makers need to move away from supporting atx power supplys for itx cases, that would help with decreasing footprint. Love that itx cases are getting more attention last year and this year looks like its going to get more attention. I do hope they do get smaller tho.
I have a fractal design nano s and this is very tempting. Wish fractal design would sell mesh front panels and glass side panels for the nano s
This is probably the case I should have gotten (assuming it fits mATX too). I got a P300a and mATX, low profile tower cooler.
Looks like an interesting case.
I wonder how the thermals would be if you did front aio intake and side exhaust. Then put 2 fans for bottom intake, then one more for rear exhaust.
I would like to see a refresh of the Phanteks Evolv ITX TG with support for a triple slot GPU since i absolutely love my Phanteks Evolv mATX TG!
damn. phanteks looking good as usual
165mm cooler height is excellent! I'm going to convert my P300a with NHd15 build over to this so I can have dual 140mm fans at the bottom firing up at my gpu.
What I'd like to see is a Fractal Meshify C (original model) shrunken down with no radiator clearance when used with matx (air cool optimised) but can have a top mount rad when installed with an itx mb like with the lian li dynamic mini.
Would be willing to forgo HD and ATX psu support to get a shorter case
we need top mounted psus and bottom intake with front rads for cpu. Much better gpu temps...
Interesting case. Shame about the front 280 aio issue with the side fans. Would've also preferred a cutout at the top so the PSU could intake fresh air to keep the fan noise down and help with longevity.
Hope you get to review the SSUPD. 280 AIO + ATX PSU testing please. 😊
It's great thst ITX it's getting some love from case manufacturers, even though the NR200 it's just perfect for me.
Wish a case manufacturer would just get rid of the handle in the tu150, have room for two front fans with dust filters. I’m fine with a proper 20-23L no compromises case. Maybe a bigger NR200 that allows for 165mm height air coolers (please test on slightly bigger itx boards like Gigsbytes).
Yes, more parts for SFF build. Hopefully this will make the price can be more affordable.
How come you didn't test with bottom intake fans? I feel like that would significantly improve GPU temperatures.
You need to test this case also with big air cooler, then use front panel as intake. It should have the best temp for GPU and CPU
The good people come early
I really appreciate the full ATX psu inclusion, for me that's what's stopping me from moving to an ITX. $500 for mobo and quality sfx psu, then the case cost...I think i'd rather just spend money on a new gpu waitlist. Downside is that it's huge. I'd love to see a CM NR300 but that can do a 240mm rad on top + atx psu. it'd have to be just a smidge taller and longer, but not by much.
Nice review but why not populate some bottom intake fans to help with GPU temps?
This case is really well designed damn didn't expect this !
Looks like metalicgear's neo mini v2 case which has been out for almost 2 years year. (Which is a Daughter brand of phanteks).
This has triple slot support however. This one is 29L but the neo mini v2 is ~25L. The glass on the neo looks better IMHO.
Been a long time since I’ve seen a top mounted power supply!
ITX is da future :)
NR200 is amazing and now we get another great choice for more compact enclosures. I hope we get even more of those cases on the market :D