I think Gibson should make whatever they want, in a weird way I kinda like the new shape, just wish there was a standard version rather than just a £4000 custom shop
Herein lies the entire problem with Gibson. Too expensive for what you get. You can get American Fenders now for under $1500. Gibson continues to charge over $2,500 for their equivalent guitar. I like some Gibsons but damn their expensive. If they offered this double cut for $1300-$1500 as well as a quality Les Paul at that price they wouldn’t be in the financial trouble they are in.
If these were hanging side by side I would definitely pick the PRS. To my eyes PRS has that style nailed. Soundwise I like both. I think manufacturers should put out whatever they like, it is then for us to choose as the paying public which we want. I own both brands and like them equally for feel and sound. I just think the Gibson just looks a bit flat compared to the PRS, no juicy contours and of course no trem option. Well done for trying though!
Lee the guy you're talking about around 8:45 is Tak Matsumoto. He had signature gibson and epiphone models that were kind of a mix of this shape and a traditional doublecut. Kind of looked like a les paul type doublecut lower body with horns very similar to this.
The Tak Matsumoto guitars are great guitars. They have the feel of a Les Paul but sound a but different. Maybe a bit more mid. The control layout is 2 volume 1 tone and the pickup selector is where it normally is on a Les Paul. Gibson used to have a Spirit model which looks to be the influence on both Tak Matsumoto model and the CS Modern DC.
Yup, here's an article on it - www.sonicstate.com/amped/2010/12/20/signature-guitar-for-japanese-shredder/ Slightly different shape but the idea is there!
It's just the headstock that's out of place on the Gibson. Should have used an Explorer or Firebird headstock on that guitar. It just looks like someone glued a Gibson neck onto a weird looking Strat body.
Surely the demo should have been between the Gibson DC and a PRS Custom 24 not a McCarty 22 ? A bridge pickup comparison is fair, but the neck pickups will be really different due to the additional frets on the Gibson. I also agree with Rob, the Gibson DC in the old Gibson LP Custom 'Black Beauty' finish with an ebony-esque fingerboard and gold hardware would look spectacular.
Paul Reed Smith has said himself that he DREW AROUND A GIBSON for his first guitar. The Gibson M3 was an asymmetrical double-cut guitar. There's nothing new under the sun - let's just dig the instruments for what they are :-)
Agreed. However I do believe it is possible to still come up with original guitar designs, but, having multiple brands or people try their take on a design allows for different interpretations of the small or bigger details involved, and then the guitar buyers can choose as they wish. Cheers!
+Andertons Music Co The Japanese guitarist whom Captain Lee referenced (at 8:40) is Tak Matsumoto: I was quite interested in his Epiphone signature model; unfortunately, only the Japanese domestic market version (the Limited Edition Tak Matsumoto DC Standard Goldtop) had the 1⅝″ nut width which I require.
@G. V. Quinn Yeah the narrower/pointier top horn is sexier on the Tak DC - his models have a D profile neck, tho. So if you're into 50s LP feel might be perfect. But if you like slim taper neck, not so much. The design aesthetic on this model reminds me vaguely of Reverend's frequently big top bouts (which I usually love) - but def seems odd in the cherry burst finish.
Not because I bought one from you, but this was wow at first sight. I went to your store. Couldn't put it down. Still can't. All my other guitars are now gathering dust. Does every sound I want. Very versatile and a pure joy to play. Inspiring. Headstock design is practical genius.
Slight correction, on a PRS custom 24, the bridge and bridge pickup are moved closer to the neck joint to compensate. The neck isn't set further into the body.
i would rather have the PRS, simply because it has one of the best non-locking trem bridges ever EDIT: p.s. i'm stupid, this model doesnt have the trem. LOL!!
My Custom 24 goes out of tune just by looking at it. It looks nice on my wall next to the SC245 that actually stays in tune. Floating trems are garbage no matter who makes them.
So have you played a Les Paul Axcess? The high end PRS' with Floyds? High end Ibanez's? What a utterly ridiculous statement. The tuning stability is unparalleled. The performance of the tremolo too.
James Wellington Those are locking tremolos with the locking nut, different thing then a normal floating tremolo like im talking about. PRS Custom 24 with a non locking floating trem has given me years of problems. Fender Jeff Beck Strat with LSR roller nut, still wont stay in tune. Ive never played a non locking floating trem that can tune for whole to 2 step bends, and raise lower without at least one of those things knocking a guitar out of tune, i have searched and they all cannot do it.
Oh right, sorry didn't realise that. Yeah my strat with a Gotoh Bridge used to be set to float. Even with locking machine heads it'd go out after some abuse. Even with the good old graphite trick. It doesn't float anymore.
Re discussion starting around 6:50.... it aint just guitar players... the worship of history etc. Case in point. I sold up and moved to a big house in France, 6 months ago. Nearest neighbours 150 metres away. A big room with massive stone walls, so i can now build my studio and make as much noise as i like... impossible to do when I lived in a terraced house in Acton. Took all my accumulated stuff of 40 years in London with me. Had a friend's daughter who is really into music (she worships people like Gram Parsons!) come over to visit, to assist me and set up said studio, and record some of her songs. We dusted off my old SC Pro-one. Pulled it apart, reconditioned the keyboard etc, and it is now working like new, again. We then idly checked what they are going for on eBay, and i was shocked to see what some people will pay for this 36 year old synth. It IS a great little box, BUT, it is really quite limited in what it will do. I thought of maybe creating a whole bunch of drum machine like samples for sequencing using it, but it isn't really up to it. Yes it is great for bass synth sounds, but there are may devices that will do this better these days. I have created some great synth bass patches just using Logic Pro's built in synths, that you wouldn't know weren't created on a digital plug in. But, i can guarantee you the Analogue Police would say... Analogue Great..Digital Sh*t. The upshot? Personally i will sell the Pro one and buy a bunch of more useful stuff for my studio.If someone wants to pay well over the odds for a limited synth. just because it is (Heavy inverted commas here...) "Vintage" the so be it. So no. It's not just guitarists, anymore. "vintage" mics, "vintage" compressors, "vintage" synths, "vintage" amps.... If it's "vintage" then it's got to be better... maybe this is all just another example of the "Golden age" myth? Everything in the past is better than now? Dunno. What do you think?
I love the sound you get from a Les Paul shape (single cut). I have been waiting for a more modern looking double cut guitar with a gibson sound. Box ticked. I love the look of the new double cut and it sounds amazing in Robs capable hands.
Personally I quite like the new Gibson shape, something a bit different to what they normally make. However if i had a choice between this new shape and a les Paul double cut I'd edge toward the lp dc. Just make more of them lefty 😆
I would have the PRS but I was in Andersons today saw that very guitar and then bought a Gibson 2017 HP les Paul and have to say the service was brilliant Mr. Captain your ship is in tip top shape !
I don't understand. There already exists a nice looking doublecut known as the Tak signature. Sure it's a japanese artist model but the Les Paul was an artist model too. I really suggest looking it up as it's a much nicer shape than the double cut we get from Gibson in 2017
My issue with the look of the Double Cut is the lines and contours. Something about it just looks funky to me. There is something symmetrical about the PRS shape and carve that makes it look aesthetically pleasing. I'm sure the DC sounds really nice, but for that money I'll still buy the PRS.
I really want to try that Gibson some time. It has been quite a while since we've seen a new shape coming from that camp and I'm all for it, I think it looks quite good maybe a different color for but I can dig it. Let's hope they stick with it and see what we think a year or 2 from now.
Nothing wrong with a new guitar style from a legendary manufacturer. That being said the PRS is silly gorgeous and i would take that over the Gibson if presented with a gift of either. My ears told me the PRS had slightly more high end spark. If Gibson eventually makes less expensive models, pending the public interest, I would include them on my want list. Would there even be coil split? The more i look at the Gibson the better it looks. You touched on the colors wanting to be a Les Paul so maybe Gibson could experiment with new color designs as well. If Gibson is pushing people out of their comfort zones in terms of legacy perhaps they can go as far as to push them right off a cliff. A straight up comparison with two Gibson's could be set up for the future and we could see if any difference in tone comes through for us at home?
Geez Cap, you are killing it lately! Your tone & playing at the beginning are sublime. You’ve progressed so much over the past few years; it’s inspiring to a fellow older player who’s hit something of a wall recently. Interesting video topic as well, I fall on the PRS side as I find their guitars much more suited to me than Gibson’s.
The Japanese guy you mentioned is Tak Matsumoto, he had an Epiphone signature that was very similar and limited. Well remembered Captain. There was also a Gibson Les Paul DC standard and studio in the late 90's
The worst finish they could ever pick is "yet another sunburst from Gibson", it doesn't allow the guitar to have it's own identity. It ties it to the classic color 99% of people want to see in a Les Paul. I am in the 1%.
Michael Battista It's a smart move though. People used to the Les Paul would be more appealed by that burst than a new finish, and more interested to buy it. Gibson doesn't have time to worry about the 1%.
I bought one from the custom shop that has the full Les Paul Custom Black Beauty trim. Gorgeous and it screams.I’ve played traditional Les Pauls for many years but I love this new design.
Something about the Gibson just looks off. It’s almost like it’s an ‘old’ neck on a new body. Could it be the headstock shape and the inlays putting me in mind of a traditional Gibson, then the body shape just jars with that? I wonder if just changing the inlays to something a bit more modern would make the overall look work a bit more? The PRS just looks sorted!
Lee, That guitarist from Japan is Takahiro "Tak" Matsumoto. He is one of my favourite all time players. He's been in the business since the early 80's, and is one half of the iconic band, "B'z". Check them out online.
As a PRS player and someone who's tried to get on with Les Pauls this to my ears and eyes seems like a nice guitar. needs to come down in price though for me to consider one. They did a slime Green version that looks awesome.
I was intrigued when I first saw pictures of this new Gibson, but after hearing it, I personally don't see the point in it. If it sounds (pretty much) exactly the same as a Les Paul and the only benefit is that you can reach the higher frets a little bit easier and there's slightly less chance of breaking the headstock off, it seems a bit of a pointless release....but that's just my opinion. I'm all for Gibson doing something new, but if they do, then actually make it something 'new' and completely different from anything else in their range.
Tom Hand thats like asking why they make the Les Paul in any color other than gold top, it's to give people options. Gibson is basically saying "Like the sound of a Les Paul but hate the shape (for some reason)? Heres a double cut version."
David Cramer, yeah I suppose, but is there really a demand for a double-cut Les Paul?? Especially one that costs £4000?? We'll soon find out I suppose. They have done the double-cut Les Paul before as well. There just seems to be this copycat war going on between PRS and Gibson at the moment. I just wish that rather than trying to be like each other they should try and do something completely different, push the boundaries. I know for a brand like Gibson that is always going to be difficult for them though. But again, just my personal opinion.
100% agree. If you want a DC, just get a PRS. It's weird to see Gibson offering something like this, it's like a copy of a copy or something. Also, there's just no way Gibson will be able to output the level of QC coming out of the PRS boutique factory. The scale of production is so much smaller at PRS, it allows them more time for all the fine details. I personally built guitars at Collings in Dripping Springs. . . our entry level acoustics were so much tighter than any similar Martin or Gibby. We were able to spend time on the detail work and took extra steps in the build that you can hear. There's just almost no way a big shop can compete w/a boutique small shop on quality. CNC levels the playing field here, especially at this market price. PRS wins, no question.
Yea they're only successful because they created a bunch of their own original designs and innovations decades before most others that were so good that all kinds of professionals and famous people have played them, and dozens of other brands have stood on their shoulders. Just that.
The Japanese Gibson artist Tak Matsumoto's guitar is pretty close to the Modern DC. Only that the Modern DC is much more unplayable on the higher frets, they also changed the lower horn quite a bit (on the Matsumoto it's a standard lower horn) and the upper slightly and moved the controls.
You've got at least two les pauls less than 5' away from you and spend the whole time talking about whether or not it sounds like one. Reach over just a bit and confirm for yourself.
blimeylimey13 that is probably the most significant point made yet...that even to compete with PRS's QC, the Gibson has to be custom shop. And I love Gibson, it breaks my heart to see their product quality compromised to produce more guitars.
I don't know what all the fuss is about. I really like the Gibson Double Cut, I'd get one if I could afford it (feelsBadMan). To me it sounds in between a Les Paul and an SG, which I think is great.
Seems like the disinterest of this guitar is similar to what they had in 1959/60....maybe in a few years I can pick one of these up cheap and sell it in 30-40 years and buy a couple houses 😂😂😂
Great thought provoking points in this video guys! I’ve used a typical LP for modern high gain tones a fair bit, and to me, this new thing sounds like it loses a bit of the bagginess without losing the inherent tone. I’d actually like to play one of these.
Love the sound. Loosing a little bit of the low has made that les paul "fire" more dramatic. Not too sure about the look but if I can save enough I'll get one of these for that tone.
Volute is good idea , as well as reducing risk of headstock break the fact that it strengthens the neck might help a little bit with tone. 24 frets not such a good idea - the space between the high frets becomes too cramped and don't get the same tone from the front humbucker as on 22 fret gtr.
The Gibson Les Paul Signature is an asymetrical double cut guitar, and that's from theearly 70's. The Epiphone Jack casady Bass is also based on that design. This new double cut kind of looks like a modernized version of that one.
I like both. My next guitar will be a PRS because I (luckily) already own Gibson’s and fender. What I will say is number one. The whole set up you are playing from Lee (guitar, anp, pedals) sounds awesome! Number 2. I really like the way the cut on the Gibson follows on from the big horn to the small. It is a subtle change but a nice one!
Well, not bad but to be honest, the headstock doesn't match with the body, PRS headstock follows the same lines with the body.. So PRS looks much more sexy.
The D.C. cuts really well through the mix. I guess its a good instrument for the stage. And yes Rob, i agree, a black beauty style would be perfeckt for it. thanx & rock on, Andreas
In my mind PRS invaded Gibson with the single cut first, it's only fair Gibson have a go at the double. Don't like it (Little Britain style) haha. I don't think in this day and age we can copyright shapes per say otherwise nothing would progress. Gibson with the Les Paul responded to Fender in their mind to make something better, let's say it's different and we all love choice and variety these days. Car manufacturers rip off each other all the time no one says anything haha. I think we should take a leaf from the 60s. Love not hate man peace and tranquillity. And breath hahha
The Japanese guitar player referred in the video is probably Tak Matsumoto. His custom guitar is quite different even if its indeed an asymmetric double cut Les Paul type of shape.
Have fun with that. Sustain for days, tone to die for. And it's an icon. Funny you're saying it's a Chibson. She was born in Memphis 2002. Good year and a great factory. Fuck your PRS. I hope your Les Paul isn't anything past a 2008. Must be disappointing to not own the real thing.
If you’re interested in trying one of these on the cheap there is an Epiphone Tak Matsumoto DC signature with the burstbuckers stock as well as the flourette?(i forget what the ivory tuners are called) stocked. Pretty nice! But it is 22frets i believe not 24
Lee was absolutely right about looking different on the peg. When Rob strapped it on it looked totally natural on him, like it was supposed to be there.
It's because of the steep angle and the way the grain goes, that makes it more prone to the Gibson neck break. When you reach to the headstock the grain is still going straight making it a weaker point on the angle, whereas with many Japanese and other Asian made guitars has a scarf joint at around the 3rd fret making the grain follow down on the angle, and therefore it's much stronger. Also worth mentioning, not all neck breaks are from a fall or a hit, few known incidents are that the sheer string pull pressure has snapped a headstock..
Like Chaper says, Gibson came out with a double cut (asymmetrical) Les Paul 'Standard' between 2000 to about 2007. I own one. Maple cap (flamed), 24 frets, same controls as this. Slightly different shape with unbound body. Don't think it came in sunburst finish. Otherwise, very similar.
Here's my 2p on this guitar. I love that gibson tried to come up with something new. Looks and sounds like an amazing guitar. I like the PRS more, but I'm much more curious about the gib.
that headstock improvement (reinforcing) is genius . "that" should go on all gibsons . That is progress . Was there no PRS custom 24's in stock ? that would be a closer comparison . You guys mentioned Rob's "ES" Les Paul . That sounds amazing to me . I so need one .
Thank you Gibson for doing something new! It looks fantastic. That kind of attitude and innovation through new products / shapes / colors is what I've been hoping to see to turn more young players back into the brand. Next step for me would be a range of "tighter low end" flatter EQ pickups to allow for modern tones - clean neck pickup, not too warm so it drives well without getting muddy, a Bridge pickup that has more gain and it slightly more midsy but not so much that there is a brutal difference in tone between the 2 pickups, so they can actually be used as rhythm and lead by the working musician and not 2 completely different tones requiring crazy footwork to maintain a similar sound with more gain/sustain when switching to bridge for leads :) And I don't mean to stop making the classic rock n roll machines you build so well! But I've got 2 of them already, and if I buy another Gibson it will have to be a modern looking and sounding one. A new gen Gibson :)
I prefer the PRS aesthetics but tonally the Gibson has a little more clarity in the midrange. A great test would be swapping the pickups over and seeing how much difference that makes.
I remember when Kiesel Guitars shaved a giant bevel into the SC90 and called it an SCB, I really hated the way it looked. But it eventually grew on me, as I saw more and more of it in different finishes. I ended up buying one a few years ago, and absolutely love it. Do I think the new Gibson Double Cut is going to grow on me the same way? Not really. But it might someday be someone else's dream guitar. And that's all the matters. Also, that PRS is lovely.
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I think Gibson should make whatever they want, in a weird way I kinda like the new shape, just wish there was a standard version rather than just a £4000 custom shop
El Ax i love it if it was a standard wuld have bought on in an instant
Same, granted that is a theoretical statement since I have no money to spent on a Gibson guitar right now but still :P
Herein lies the entire problem with Gibson. Too expensive for what you get. You can get American Fenders now for under $1500. Gibson continues to charge over $2,500 for their equivalent guitar. I like some Gibsons but damn their expensive. If they offered this double cut for $1300-$1500 as well as a quality Les Paul at that price they wouldn’t be in the financial trouble they are in.
It's a sweet guitar. I'd grab one if it wasn't so unaffordable
If these were hanging side by side I would definitely pick the PRS. To my eyes PRS has that style nailed. Soundwise I like both. I think manufacturers should put out whatever they like, it is then for us to choose as the paying public which we want. I own both brands and like them equally for feel and sound. I just think the Gibson just looks a bit flat compared to the PRS, no juicy contours and of course no trem option. Well done for trying though!
Lee the guy you're talking about around 8:45 is Tak Matsumoto. He had signature gibson and epiphone models that were kind of a mix of this shape and a traditional doublecut. Kind of looked like a les paul type doublecut lower body with horns very similar to this.
The Tak Matsumoto guitars are great guitars. They have the feel of a Les Paul but sound a but different. Maybe a bit more mid. The control layout is 2 volume 1 tone and the pickup selector is where it normally is on a Les Paul. Gibson used to have a Spirit model which looks to be the influence on both Tak Matsumoto model and the CS Modern DC.
It is great for Gibson to introduce different body shapes. The modern DC looks great and sounds amazing.
They changed the lower and upper horn slightly, made the higher frets more unplayable, and moved the controls around on the Modern...
Yup, here's an article on it - www.sonicstate.com/amped/2010/12/20/signature-guitar-for-japanese-shredder/
Slightly different shape but the idea is there!
The Gibson should come in flame transparent black, Pearl white, and a cognac burst. Sounds good....
It's just the headstock that's out of place on the Gibson. Should have used an Explorer or Firebird headstock on that guitar. It just looks like someone glued a Gibson neck onto a weird looking Strat body.
No way, I like it the way it is.
I think they should have either made a new headstock design, or used a firebird one. Other than that, it seems pretty cool.
Woodeso's Guitar Mods totally agree. They should of also made it match the body colour.
Yeah... I was thinking the whole thing didn't appeal to me even though I liked the body shape. That headstock just looks wrong with that body style.
Firebird would look awesome... it's a great shape, shame it only gets used on the trini lopez otherwise
I think its a modernized Les Paul double cut away, A beautiful instrument !
I think the double cut looks great. Good for Gibson
I wasn't expecting this kind of double cut from Gibson, not sure if I like this look, I liked the former double cut myself albeit want of knobs
Surely the demo should have been between the Gibson DC and a PRS Custom 24 not a McCarty 22 ? A bridge pickup comparison is fair, but the neck pickups will be really different due to the additional frets on the Gibson. I also agree with Rob, the Gibson DC in the old Gibson LP Custom 'Black Beauty' finish with an ebony-esque fingerboard and gold hardware would look spectacular.
Paul Reed Smith has said himself that he DREW AROUND A GIBSON for his first guitar.
The Gibson M3 was an asymmetrical double-cut guitar.
There's nothing new under the sun - let's just dig the instruments for what they are :-)
Tim O'Donnell rip haters.
Agreed. However I do believe it is possible to still come up with original guitar designs, but, having multiple brands or people try their take on a design allows for different interpretations of the small or bigger details involved, and then the guitar buyers can choose as they wish. Cheers!
Although the M3 is more a take on a Super Strat than a Double Cut
Tim O'Donnell ; Gibson made a double cutaway in the late 70s or early 80s called the Victory.
Yes! That bodyshape is a less pronounced version on the M3 with a carved top rather than Fender style arm chamfer.
+Andertons Music Co The Japanese guitarist whom Captain Lee referenced (at 8:40) is Tak Matsumoto: I was quite interested in his Epiphone signature model; unfortunately, only the Japanese domestic market version (the Limited Edition Tak Matsumoto DC Standard Goldtop) had the 1⅝″ nut width which I require.
Tak Matsumoto
I mentioned the Tak model above. The DC is a nice looking guitar.
@G. V. Quinn Yeah the narrower/pointier top horn is sexier on the Tak DC - his models have a D profile neck, tho. So if you're into 50s LP feel might be perfect. But if you like slim taper neck, not so much.
The design aesthetic on this model reminds me vaguely of Reverend's frequently big top bouts (which I usually love) - but def seems odd in the cherry burst finish.
Not because I bought one from you, but this was wow at first sight. I went to your store. Couldn't put it down. Still can't. All my other guitars are now gathering dust. Does every sound I want. Very versatile and a pure joy to play. Inspiring. Headstock design is practical genius.
Really loved that soulful solo from Captain Lee at the beginning!
The famous Japanese guitarist that Captain mentioned at 8:40 is Tak Matsumoto of B'z.
IMO Tak's custom double cut looks much cooler than this one.
Quite right ✅ 👌 👏 👍.
I actually quite like the Gibson's shape!
Nice to see you around here Nick!
Based on looks I would take the prs.
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based on everything..take the PRS...
No Way!
But what's more important, cosmetics or sound?
Imo the Gibson sounded much sweeter and warmer
The Gibson grew on me as the video went on but if I had the money for a Gibson custom shop, would I buy the double cut-away? HELL NO.
You two guys jamming is always my favorite part of your videos!
PRS makes extremely beautiful guitars, but I think the Gibson sounds better!
Slight correction, on a PRS custom 24, the bridge and bridge pickup are moved closer to the neck joint to compensate. The neck isn't set further into the body.
The Gibson reminds me of a Rickenbacker guitar
I'm not a Strat guy or a Les Paul guy i play a Tele but I kinda like this Gibson double cut!!
i LOVE prs but F*CK that Gibson sounds good...
I'm loving the look and sound of that Gibson. If they get the price down to the $1500s or so I will be seriously interested in picking one up
i would rather have the PRS, simply because it has one of the best non-locking trem bridges ever
EDIT: p.s. i'm stupid, this model doesnt have the trem. LOL!!
My Custom 24 goes out of tune just by looking at it. It looks nice on my wall next to the SC245 that actually stays in tune. Floating trems are garbage no matter who makes them.
So have you played a Les Paul Axcess? The high end PRS' with Floyds? High end Ibanez's? What a utterly ridiculous statement. The tuning stability is unparalleled. The performance of the tremolo too.
James Wellington Those are locking tremolos with the locking nut, different thing then a normal floating tremolo like im talking about. PRS Custom 24 with a non locking floating trem has given me years of problems. Fender Jeff Beck Strat with LSR roller nut, still wont stay in tune. Ive never played a non locking floating trem that can tune for whole to 2 step bends, and raise lower without at least one of those things knocking a guitar out of tune, i have searched and they all cannot do it.
Oh right, sorry didn't realise that. Yeah my strat with a Gotoh Bridge used to be set to float. Even with locking machine heads it'd go out after some abuse. Even with the good old graphite trick. It doesn't float anymore.
but the normal 22 does
Re discussion starting around 6:50.... it aint just guitar players... the worship of history etc. Case in point.
I sold up and moved to a big house in France, 6 months ago. Nearest neighbours 150 metres away. A big room with massive stone walls, so i can now build my studio and make as much noise as i like... impossible to do when I lived in a terraced house in Acton. Took all my accumulated stuff of 40 years in London with me. Had a friend's daughter who is really into music (she worships people like Gram Parsons!) come over to visit, to assist me and set up said studio, and record some of her songs.
We dusted off my old SC Pro-one. Pulled it apart, reconditioned the keyboard etc, and it is now working like new, again.
We then idly checked what they are going for on eBay, and i was shocked to see what some people will pay for this 36 year old synth. It IS a great little box, BUT, it is really quite limited in what it will do. I thought of maybe creating a whole bunch of drum machine like samples for sequencing using it, but it isn't really up to it. Yes it is great for bass synth sounds, but there are may devices that will do this better these days. I have created some great synth bass patches just using Logic Pro's built in synths, that you wouldn't know weren't created on a digital plug in. But, i can guarantee you the Analogue Police would say... Analogue Great..Digital Sh*t.
The upshot? Personally i will sell the Pro one and buy a bunch of more useful stuff for my studio.If someone wants to pay well over the odds for a limited synth. just because it is (Heavy inverted commas here...) "Vintage" the so be it.
So no. It's not just guitarists, anymore. "vintage" mics, "vintage" compressors, "vintage" synths, "vintage" amps....
If it's "vintage" then it's got to be better... maybe this is all just another example of the "Golden age" myth? Everything in the past is better than now?
Dunno. What do you think?
would love to see the gibson double cut vs a gibson les paul shootout
I love the sound you get from a Les Paul shape (single cut). I have been waiting for a more modern looking double cut guitar with a gibson sound. Box ticked. I love the look of the new double cut and it sounds amazing in Robs capable hands.
Personally I quite like the new Gibson shape, something a bit different to what they normally make. However if i had a choice between this new shape and a les Paul double cut I'd edge toward the lp dc. Just make more of them lefty 😆
I would have the PRS but I was in Andersons today saw that very guitar and then bought a Gibson 2017 HP les Paul and have to say the service was brilliant
Mr. Captain your ship is in tip top shape !
I don't understand. There already exists a nice looking doublecut known as the Tak signature. Sure it's a japanese artist model but the Les Paul was an artist model too. I really suggest looking it up as it's a much nicer shape than the double cut we get from Gibson in 2017
edit: the captain mentioned it in the video.
100%
My issue with the look of the Double Cut is the lines and contours. Something about it just looks funky to me. There is something symmetrical about the PRS shape and carve that makes it look aesthetically pleasing. I'm sure the DC sounds really nice, but for that money I'll still buy the PRS.
I really want to try that Gibson some time. It has been quite a while since we've seen a new shape coming from that camp and I'm all for it, I think it looks quite good maybe a different color for but I can dig it. Let's hope they stick with it and see what we think a year or 2 from now.
'let's', "we" lol. You write a comment like you're writing a review in a pop magazine.
So, what's your point?
I just picked up a Modern DC while I was at NAMM, where I meet Chapman, and here he is it with the demo. Fantastic. Hes just on fire here..excellent.
Nothing wrong with a new guitar style from a legendary manufacturer. That being said the PRS is silly gorgeous and i would take that over the Gibson if presented with a gift of either. My ears told me the PRS had slightly more high end spark. If Gibson eventually makes less expensive models, pending the public interest, I would include them on my want list. Would there even be coil split? The more i look at the Gibson the better it looks. You touched on the colors wanting to be a Les Paul so maybe Gibson could experiment with new color designs as well. If Gibson is pushing people out of their comfort zones in terms of legacy perhaps they can go as far as to push them right off a cliff. A straight up comparison with two Gibson's could be set up for the future and we could see if any difference in tone comes through for us at home?
Geez Cap, you are killing it lately! Your tone & playing at the beginning are sublime. You’ve progressed so much over the past few years; it’s inspiring to a fellow older player who’s hit something of a wall recently. Interesting video topic as well, I fall on the PRS side as I find their guitars much more suited to me than Gibson’s.
i do like that Gibson
I love it when Rob sustains that last note off into oblivion at the end. That's my new favorite sound from an electric guitar.
Digging the volute addition back on the Gibson headstock, hoping it spreads around other Gibson guitars. ( it's the 1970's again )
I'm not so sure about that. That Apex volute seems to be up higher than where they usually break. I hope I'm wrong.
I do like the Gibson though.
The Japanese guy you mentioned is Tak Matsumoto, he had an Epiphone signature that was very similar and limited. Well remembered Captain. There was also a Gibson Les Paul DC standard and studio in the late 90's
The worst finish they could ever pick is "yet another sunburst from Gibson", it doesn't allow the guitar to have it's own identity. It ties it to the classic color 99% of people want to see in a Les Paul. I am in the 1%.
Michael Battista It's a smart move though. People used to the Les Paul would be more appealed by that burst than a new finish, and more interested to buy it. Gibson doesn't have time to worry about the 1%.
Love that Gibson. Nice carve and finish. I hope they keep it in the Custom Shop lineup.
I think it's time for Chappers and the Captain to do a blindfold challenge of some sort. it's been a while.
I bought one from the custom shop that has the full Les Paul Custom Black Beauty trim. Gorgeous and it screams.I’ve played traditional Les Pauls for many years but I love this new design.
Something about the Gibson just looks off. It’s almost like it’s an ‘old’ neck on a new body. Could it be the headstock shape and the inlays putting me in mind of a traditional Gibson, then the body shape just jars with that? I wonder if just changing the inlays to something a bit more modern would make the overall look work a bit more? The PRS just looks sorted!
Not tried it, but love the new shape of the Gibson.
The Gibson looks better but the head stock could be better maybe the firebird headstock
Erik Gomez Someone should photoshop that. I bet it would look amazing.
Lee,
That guitarist from Japan is Takahiro "Tak" Matsumoto. He is one of my favourite all time players. He's been in the business since the early 80's, and is one half of the iconic band, "B'z". Check them out online.
i like that Gibson. it's good they're coming up with 'new' shapes ...but £4000?!? :O :O :O
ferris5150 fairly standard custom shop price range on a Gibson. Won't see an affordable price version unless they make on under the Epiphone brand.
Gibson looks dam cool, especially in black. Lower curve has a softer sweep too, LPs have always been uncomfortable sitting down. But, that price tag!!
In the goldtop I reckon it looks pretty sexy actually
MHSlypher1 ikr
I quite like that Gibson double cut for mine but then I also own an 82 Moderne too and LOVE IT.
Great to see Gibson branching out with a new look. Now get Epiphone to produce a version I can afford !
Peter Grant I agree The Gibson is nice. But cost to much. I think epi should come out with there own model as well. I would buy it.
They do. I believe its called Tak Matsumoto DC Custom
As a PRS player and someone who's tried to get on with Les Pauls this to my ears and eyes seems like a nice guitar. needs to come down in price though for me to consider one. They did a slime Green version that looks awesome.
I was intrigued when I first saw pictures of this new Gibson, but after hearing it, I personally don't see the point in it. If it sounds (pretty much) exactly the same as a Les Paul and the only benefit is that you can reach the higher frets a little bit easier and there's slightly less chance of breaking the headstock off, it seems a bit of a pointless release....but that's just my opinion. I'm all for Gibson doing something new, but if they do, then actually make it something 'new' and completely different from anything else in their range.
Tom Hand thats like asking why they make the Les Paul in any color other than gold top, it's to give people options.
Gibson is basically saying "Like the sound of a Les Paul but hate the shape (for some reason)? Heres a double cut version."
David Cramer, yeah I suppose, but is there really a demand for a double-cut Les Paul?? Especially one that costs £4000?? We'll soon find out I suppose. They have done the double-cut Les Paul before as well. There just seems to be this copycat war going on between PRS and Gibson at the moment. I just wish that rather than trying to be like each other they should try and do something completely different, push the boundaries. I know for a brand like Gibson that is always going to be difficult for them though. But again, just my personal opinion.
100% agree. If you want a DC, just get a PRS. It's weird to see Gibson offering something like this, it's like a copy of a copy or something. Also, there's just no way Gibson will be able to output the level of QC coming out of the PRS boutique factory. The scale of production is so much smaller at PRS, it allows them more time for all the fine details. I personally built guitars at Collings in Dripping Springs. . . our entry level acoustics were so much tighter than any similar Martin or Gibby. We were able to spend time on the detail work and took extra steps in the build that you can hear. There's just almost no way a big shop can compete w/a boutique small shop on quality. CNC levels the playing field here, especially at this market price. PRS wins, no question.
Going from what Lee said, the Japanese Guitarist is Tak Matsumoto - I'm pretty sure you can still buy the Epiphone version of his Signature.
I think the Gibson is nice
For those wondering about the Japanese signature Lee mentioned, the artist is tak matsumoto.
“If that was made in the 60s and had a bunch of famous players who had played it”
Rob just summarized the only reason why Gibson is still successful.
Yea they're only successful because they created a bunch of their own original designs and innovations decades before most others that were so good that all kinds of professionals and famous people have played them, and dozens of other brands have stood on their shoulders. Just that.
The Japanese Gibson artist Tak Matsumoto's guitar is pretty close to the Modern DC. Only that the Modern DC is much more unplayable on the higher frets, they also changed the lower horn quite a bit (on the Matsumoto it's a standard lower horn) and the upper slightly and moved the controls.
You've got at least two les pauls less than 5' away from you and spend the whole time talking about whether or not it sounds like one.
Reach over just a bit and confirm for yourself.
The Japanese player in question's name is Tak Matsumoto and they did his DC guitar in both an Epi and a Gibson. Gorgeous chunk of lumber, for sure.
Gibson quality standards are far from what they used to be. PRS pride themselves on quality control!
blimeylimey13 that is probably the most significant point made yet...that even to compete with PRS's QC, the Gibson has to be custom shop. And I love Gibson, it breaks my heart to see their product quality compromised to produce more guitars.
I don't know what all the fuss is about. I really like the Gibson Double Cut, I'd get one if I could afford it (feelsBadMan). To me it sounds in between a Les Paul and an SG, which I think is great.
Seems like the disinterest of this guitar is similar to what they had in 1959/60....maybe in a few years I can pick one of these up cheap and sell it in 30-40 years and buy a couple houses 😂😂😂
Great thought provoking points in this video guys!
I’ve used a typical LP for modern high gain tones a fair bit, and to me, this new thing sounds like it loses a bit of the bagginess without losing the inherent tone. I’d actually like to play one of these.
Love the sound. Loosing a little bit of the low has made that les paul "fire" more dramatic. Not too sure about the look but if I can save enough I'll get one of these for that tone.
No one seemed to care when ibanez, prs, esp, electra, hagstrom, chapman, etc copied gibson shapes.
Except Gibson and their lawyers. ;)
Volute is good idea , as well as reducing risk of headstock break the fact that it strengthens the neck might help a little bit with tone. 24 frets not such a good idea - the space between the high frets becomes too cramped and don't get the same tone from the front humbucker as on 22 fret gtr.
The Gibson sounds far better.
The Gibson Les Paul Signature is an asymetrical double cut guitar, and that's from theearly 70's. The Epiphone Jack casady Bass is also based on that design. This new double cut kind of looks like a modernized version of that one.
Where's Hank Hill with his uncringy comments, when you need him the most?
Noes !!! Don't summon him !
I like both. My next guitar will be a PRS because I (luckily) already own Gibson’s and fender. What I will say is number one. The whole set up you are playing from Lee (guitar, anp, pedals) sounds awesome! Number 2. I really like the way the cut on the Gibson follows on from the big horn to the small. It is a subtle change but a nice one!
Well, not bad but to be honest, the headstock doesn't match with the body, PRS headstock follows the same lines with the body.. So PRS looks much more sexy.
The D.C. cuts really well through the mix. I guess its a good instrument for the stage. And yes Rob, i agree, a black beauty style would be perfeckt for it. thanx & rock on, Andreas
In my mind PRS invaded Gibson with the single cut first, it's only fair Gibson have a go at the double. Don't like it (Little Britain style) haha. I don't think in this day and age we can copyright shapes per say otherwise nothing would progress. Gibson with the Les Paul responded to Fender in their mind to make something better, let's say it's different and we all love choice and variety these days. Car manufacturers rip off each other all the time no one says anything haha. I think we should take a leaf from the 60s. Love not hate man peace and tranquillity. And breath hahha
Andrew Lock "watch out for the Poppins."
Well said Andrew.
Totally agree that it looks better on than on the peg. Damn thing sounds amazing. Get rid of the burst (that I love on Les Pauls...) and it’s great.
I think the gibson has more soul in the sound if you ask me 👍🏻
Great comparison gentleman~I like the new Gibson doublecut (and the color is fab)
That Gibson is ugly as sin.
After the video: but goddamn, it sounds good.
That headstock.
Looks great!
I think the new double cut is gorgeous, I would buy it over a normal new custom tbh, I like the freshness of it.
Trouble with that Gibson is the headstock. Its a poor design on Les Pauls - on this double cut it just looks ridiculous.
The Japanese guitar player referred in the video is probably Tak Matsumoto. His custom guitar is quite different even if its indeed an asymmetric double cut Les Paul type of shape.
I would take a PRS over a POS Gibson any day of the week.
Don't talk shit about Gibsons. My 2002 standard would make your PRS look like a shit plank.
Only in your wet dreams.
My Prs would make your Gibson(Chibson)look like a cheap suit.Oh Yeah !! :-)
Have fun with that. Sustain for days, tone to die for. And it's an icon. Funny you're saying it's a Chibson. She was born in Memphis 2002. Good year and a great factory. Fuck your PRS. I hope your Les Paul isn't anything past a 2008. Must be disappointing to not own the real thing.
"I hope your Les Paul isn't anything past a 2008. Must be disappointing to not own the real thing." -> How to lose all credibility.
If you’re interested in trying one of these on the cheap there is an Epiphone Tak Matsumoto DC signature with the burstbuckers stock as well as the flourette?(i forget what the ivory tuners are called) stocked. Pretty nice! But it is 22frets i believe not 24
Lee was absolutely right about looking different on the peg. When Rob strapped it on it looked totally natural on him, like it was supposed to be there.
I love the gold gibson double cut. Dont know if the cherry burst is for me. Would love a lefty if they ever put these in mass production
It's because of the steep angle and the way the grain goes, that makes it more prone to the Gibson neck break. When you reach to the headstock the grain is still going straight making it a weaker point on the angle, whereas with many Japanese and other Asian made guitars has a scarf joint at around the 3rd fret making the grain follow down on the angle, and therefore it's much stronger. Also worth mentioning, not all neck breaks are from a fall or a hit, few known incidents are that the sheer string pull pressure has snapped a headstock..
I'd love both of them. They're both brilliant!
I have a '98 Les Paul Double Cut, basically a Les Paul special with a carved Flame Top, 24 frets. Very nice.
Like Chaper says, Gibson came out with a double cut (asymmetrical) Les Paul 'Standard' between 2000 to about 2007. I own one. Maple cap (flamed), 24 frets, same controls as this. Slightly different shape with unbound body. Don't think it came in sunburst finish. Otherwise, very similar.
Here's my 2p on this guitar.
I love that gibson tried to come up with something new. Looks and sounds like an amazing guitar.
I like the PRS more, but I'm much more curious about the gib.
You guys have stepped the production quality up a lot since I last paid attention to the channel. Tones are fantastic! Really dig that new Gibson too!
That opening Jam was really good! A nice change of sound for you two
that headstock improvement (reinforcing) is genius . "that" should go on all gibsons . That is progress . Was there no PRS custom 24's in stock ? that would be a closer comparison . You guys mentioned Rob's "ES" Les Paul . That sounds amazing to me . I so need one .
Thank you Gibson for doing something new! It looks fantastic. That kind of attitude and innovation through new products / shapes / colors is what I've been hoping to see to turn more young players back into the brand.
Next step for me would be a range of "tighter low end" flatter EQ pickups to allow for modern tones - clean neck pickup, not too warm so it drives well without getting muddy, a Bridge pickup that has more gain and it slightly more midsy but not so much that there is a brutal difference in tone between the 2 pickups, so they can actually be used as rhythm and lead by the working musician and not 2 completely different tones requiring crazy footwork to maintain a similar sound with more gain/sustain when switching to bridge for leads :)
And I don't mean to stop making the classic rock n roll machines you build so well! But I've got 2 of them already, and if I buy another Gibson it will have to be a modern looking and sounding one. A new gen Gibson :)
The Japanese guitarist's custom Lee was talking about is called the Tak Matsumoto signature
I prefer the PRS aesthetics but tonally the Gibson has a little more clarity in the midrange.
A great test would be swapping the pickups over and seeing how much difference that makes.
I remember when Kiesel Guitars shaved a giant bevel into the SC90 and called it an SCB, I really hated the way it looked. But it eventually grew on me, as I saw more and more of it in different finishes. I ended up buying one a few years ago, and absolutely love it.
Do I think the new Gibson Double Cut is going to grow on me the same way? Not really. But it might someday be someone else's dream guitar. And that's all the matters.
Also, that PRS is lovely.
Tak Matsumoto is the Japanese guitarist you're referring to. His signature guitar also has an epiphone version.
I think the gibby looks great. Doesn’t look the best in that sunburst but the gold looks great.