Has The Media Misled People When Talking Up 'Range Anxiety' For Electric Vehicles?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- How many times have you heard people talking about electric vehicles not having enough range? Probably a fair bit. Yet the very cocnept misses the point about what's really going on. So stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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50years ago my Dad taught me to drive. I vividly remember him telling me to never ever let the fuel drop below 25%...I have never run out of fuel. My first EV arrived 3 months ago and guess what: Range anxiety has proven to be a storm in a teacup!.
YOu obviously had more money than I did. Half a gallon of JIP, (Two stroke mix) was all we could afford to put in our motorbikes.Many's the time one of us had to get off and tip the bike on its side to get the last bit out, to get home. Half a gallon was 18 pence. We had real range anxiety back in the day. :)
There is a downside to never emptying the tank; the tiny amount of debris, that inevitably accumulates at the bottom, never gets sucked up into the fuel line/ fuel filters, but builds up; then, if you run into a situation where you have no choice but to run the tank very low (garage out of fuel etc) - it all gets sucked up and clogs the filters, so the engine gets starved of fuel and stalls, often far earlier than you expected - based on the fuel gauge.
My experience was the low fuel light coming on and the car stalling 2 seconds later, stranding me in the middle of the road I was crossing, on a NASTY corner; after that experience, I ALWAYS ran the tank down till the empty light came on at least monthly, and religiously changed the inline fuel filter every service.
TBF, that normally left me with enough fuel to drive 60-80 miles safely; I once had the light come on just south of Stafford on the M6, and didnt stop until Worcester on the M5. (Empty light came on with 2.5 Imp Gallons left)
However, with EVs, I DONT run the guessometer down; and it has saved me huge hassles a few times, once where one of two chargers was dead, and the other occupied by an 2011 Leaf, whose driver was determined to get to 100%; even though at 90%, it was already drawing only 1.2KW.
I had 18 miles on the GOM, and it was 12 to the next charger location.
I had a Prius for 12 years, I would always run it to reserve & refill to full, 40ltr or about £56.00. Now have an MG ZS EV -160 odd miles on a charge, I now charge at home once a week & don't have to wait, it all happens overnight 🙂
I don't see the issue people have with range. I've a standard range Model 3, (240mile range approx) and have done a few really long trips (for the UK at least) with no issues. I usually have to stop before the car needs to, and it's usually ready to go before I am. I think it's more of a mindset change and a bit of the fear of the unknown. I was asked recently, "What happens when you run out of charge?" I replied, "Why would I run out of charge? Do you run out of petrol?"
From 1900 to 1930, business built petrol stations across Earth, also building refineries and a distribution system and roads to deliver the petrol, while coping with the worst war in history and the worst pandemic in history. Humans just might figure out charging 🌩💜
Although I live in the U.S, I love your channel. The whole thing about charger anxiety is spot on. I bought a Tesla to mitigate that since their chargers are almost always working and they have quite a few charges (usually a multiple of eight) at any given location. I've never had a problem on a road trip, but because charging locations are a bit sparse In the southeast, I have had to queue but not more than five minutes. The nav system is well integrated with the charging network and makes trip planning pretty much a no-brainer.
My greatest need is for cheap destination chargers at hotels. My car’s range is more than my body’s daily driving range. (TM3 620km)
Yes, absolutely- top up while resting/sleeping easy
This is my biggest bug bear since I can’t charge at home. Cheap destination chargers is ultimately what’s holding back EV take up.
Would I ever return to petrol or diesel cars? I would have to be clinically insane to do so.
Fully explain your situation. Does that include winter. Have you had an accident yet. How much are the running costs, buying costs. Is it company , lease or completely owned by you outright.
Just done a trip to the Somme in France from the west country via Eurotunnel. 3 1/2 hours from home to Folkestone. 90 minutes from coquelle to the Somme.
On the way there I stopped for a coffee and toilet break and topped up at Cobham services. Topped up again at Folkestone while waiting to board.
On the way back, left the Somme with 99%, topped up at Eurotunnel Coquelle (Calais) and from there drove straight home.
No queues for chargers.
Total fuel cost about 1/3 of an ice car.
Good stat that Dave. £30 gets an ICE car about 200 miles. £3 gets my i3 160 miles I know which option I prefer :-)
I 100% agree with you. I have just placed my order for my first EV , and can confirm that I do not have range anxiety but I am a little nervous about having to use the public charging network. I have had a home charger installed and I know that 95% of my charging will be done at home. My current ICE car has a range of 378 miles when full , my EV when I get it has a range of 394 miles.
Oh No!! I had better be careful. The RAC have just reported that each year 150,000 Brits put the wrong fuel in their car 🫣 Charging up with the wrong electrons could be fatal 🤣😂
I've had my EV for 5 months. The first 6 weeks I used public chargers regularly until I worked out how to use it. It has a 130-170 mile range depending on how heavy my foot is on any particular day. I do around 250 miles a week. I was using a public charger once a week, spending around £15 on 22Kwh there and the rest of the 50 Kwh I needed at home at a cost of around £7.30, making my weekly fuel cost around £22. Expensive for electricity, but still a huge saving on the £50 a week diesel was costing.
I now do all my charging at home on an EV tariff, and it's costing about £5 a week!
You must have driven a very thirsty diesel car if you spent 50 pounds a week on fuel. That amount of petrol would get me over 300 miles and probably closer to 450 to 500 in a diesel
Hi Dave, I mostly agree, its not range that's the problem (now) its availability and reliability of chargers.
There have been some very rare occasions (Gulf war, tanker strikes) when getting petrol or diesel was a similar risk.
But there is a major difference.
If I ran out of petrol a mile or so from a petrol station, I could take a can from my boot and walk to said station, if I did not carry a can I could buy one at that station.
If I run out of Fuel in an EV, it seems to be more of an issue.
Next thing is very few petrol stations are restricted to who can use them.
Very few petrol stations require me to have a mobile phone.
I know most of these things are getting better, but anxiety has a long memory and is generally not rational.
Most insurance companies have put ev recovery into their policies so that is no longer an issue
I agree what you are saying,i have been doing research on electric chargers in France and Italy for trips abroad when i get my new EV.I was on my motorbike checking chargers!There are alot of chargers in France but like you said you have to use your mobile phone ,you cannot walk into the petrol station or other place and pay cash!Even now in France i had to ask to pay for 10,20 etc Euro's before using the pump because most if not all petrol pumps now want you to use bank cards but there extra charges on them so you need a good card.You should not have to use your mobile all the time!I didn't think the charger network i saw in Italy was as good as France and i knew was more expensive also they prefer bank cards!
@@leehouten2345having just acquired an EV and changed my insurance policy I can confirm this.
Their are vehicles that can do vehicle to vehicle charging in the us just like vehicle to load charging not sure if you have that in the UK but in the us some ev's can put energy into other ev's once that is more common it won't be nearly as big of an issue
Recently done Suffolk to Lincoln and Suffolk to Blackpool in gen 2 Leaf. No issues. Got to McDonald’s in Glossop and found the charger I wanted in use. Decided to risk getting nearer Manchester and finding a charger there, barely 2 min up the road I’m into an empty MFG forecourt with half dozen free points - sorted!
Got a trip to Cardiff next week. I’m sure I’ll get there and back fine.
A work colleague of mine has just bought a ev and can't charge at home so every now and again he goes to a public charger and he has said that he can't believe how much it is costing in Costa for a coffee and waiting for 45 minutes
It's probably also costing him a fortune in electricity.
I'd like to see the government push more existing infrastructure charging. What I mean by this is using things like lampposts to install 7kw chargers that you can plug into overnight on say your local street if you don't have off-street parking.
For someone who cannot charge at home like myself (I live in rented accomdation with no drive, I have to park on the road outside the house and as it's a public path I can't have a charger installed , nor could I get a gully installed to allow a cable to reach) it would be ideal if I didn't have to always go the nearest high power charging unit and would rather prefer plugging into my nearest lamp-post if it had a charger in it given pretty much every street has them.
This and working with companies to lower the cost of public charging to more competitive levels is what I want from this government
Went to get petrol for my lawn mower, went to cheapest pump price station, 8 lanes of pumps 4 cars each per lane waiting, took 32 mins to get my 10 litre can filled, not only que per pump line, but going into station waiting in que, might be 8(x2 cars) pump lanes but only 2 cashiers for 16 customers. Learnt my lesson will use most expensive deserted local station next time.
They need to incentivise employers to put chargers at work car parks. This would help people who can’t charge at home.
My wife and I have been driving electric now for over 4 years. She now drives an MG4 (240ish miles range) and I have a Tesla Model S (I had a Kia e-Niro for 3 years). Before we went electric, range dominated our EV research. Now we're EV owners, range is simply not an issue. We charge overnight and therefore the cars always have more than enough range for daily use. I got the Tesla for long journeys I'm frequently doing with my new job, but with the supercharger network, again range is just not a consideration, as the car can go a lot further than I can between breaks!
I'm new to this EV game and having ridden motorcycles for many years I'm used to low tank range when compared to a car so not really seeing any problem with EV range anxiety. I regularly drive from Bedfordshire to Cornwall (about 260 miles) and could manage with one charging stop, but choose to do two twenty minute 80% charge stops. I have plenty of range left when I get to my destination. In an ICE car I could, and did do the journey in one go but have since discovered it's far less stressful to take a couple of breaks for charging.
Problem now is the price. A few years ago it was 39p now it’s around 79p per kWh on most. Thankfully I can charge from home. But can you imagine petrol or diesel doubling in price in that time.
If there was a law that if more than, say, 10 percent of a company's chargers are out of service, then they have to give free charging at all the working chargers until they mend the broken ones, they would soon become more reliable.
Broken chargers are owned by cigarette companies. Don't care. Never did. They hope we all die...
I’d qualify what Dave is saying here. As long as you plan properly on longer journeys, there is no issue at all now. Plenty of public chargers out there and of course a lot of people home charge so only part of the journey needs public charging.
However, most people have never had to think about this at all with ICE cars, you just go to a station and fill up in 5 minutes. It’s just not a thing for them, so I understand the ‘range anxiety’ point. In reality it’s just a change of mindset on long journeys and 95% of the time it’s irrelevant.
Of course this will lessen over time - range/charging speed will increase and more chargers will be rolled out (but not as many needed as petrol pumps), but range anxiety is still going to be there for a while.
"range anxiety was invented by the Marketing Department at GM," - Sandy Munro.
And no doubt, the Oil Industry
You talk bollocks, gentlemen, every EV driver I know gets from worried to paranoid about range.
Some have dumped their EVs for that very reason.
@@thisisnumber0 No. You are. My wife bothered about range but she was not driving. A quick calculation/estimate gives me total confidence of reaching a charger or home.
I sometimes arrive home at very low state of charge - but I know that I can arrive home or at the charging station with some energy to spare. I know how much reliance I can afford on the GOM and distance to destination to be confident of either a ‘splash-and-dash’ charge. Maybe I’m just far better, at simple sums, than you are.🙂
@@oliver90owner 99.9% of the time I don't worry about it because I am just doing my daily commute or runs to the shop etc. but on those odd occasions when I know I'm doing more miles than I can get from a single charge I do get a bit nervous to the point where I probably would stop and top-off more than I really needed to just in case the charger that would probably have met my distance needs doesn't work.
Range anxiety may not be a thing when you live in a country the size of a postage stamp.
Where i live, in a city of over 2.1 million we have a whole 12 tesla 250kw chargers!
Other chargers are probably available?
Just driven 2,300+ miles from UK to Spain and back (still on hols in France), bit further than "within a city".
I agree with most of what you said,,however when I purchased my 1st EV the range was important, not so much as range anxiety ub I had researched m trips over a long period, as these were personal as work as a Civil Servant I used hire cars. Due to my interests I wanted to do excess of 180 ms return as I wanted to reap the benefit of the cheap charging at home & now most of my home trips are covered by my solar panels. This was still important when I considered my replacement just this week. Range & charging speed presides the other aspects of comfort, tech safety etc. However after looking at deals again decided to replace my with a newer Ford Mach-E. as my old one had serviced me well since I got it. .
My ice car I tend to fill at 1/4 of a tank but then i do fill to max being a diesel that will then last 2 weeks of my normal commuting roughly 450 miles, our Mach E gets charged 2 to 3 times a week at home on a 7p overnight tariff. only used public charging twice once to get a quick charge after the car had been delievered and then to test the blue oval network card and that was only a 10 minute charge. Even the longer trip we are taking this weekend I planned to stop at an Ionity but then our friends told us they have an EV charger on their new house we are going to be there for several hours so wont need to use ionity at all and we will give our friends some money to cover the cost of charging which will be less than what ionity will charge.
I'm sorry, Dave, I think you are totally wrong this time. @4:16 Why wouldn't most [ICE car drivers] top up their tank right up to the brim every time? During almost all years owning and driving ICE cars, I almost always filled up my car to the top. Why wouldn't I? I hated going to the petrol station filling up. If I didn't fill up to the brim, I would have to drive to the filing station more often than necessary. With EVs, it's the opposite. If I only need about 3 kWh extra to get home at normal speed, I would top up 2-3 minutes and then be on my way. Then, when I get home, I plug in, and the next morning, I've got a full charge again. It's EVs that don't need to top up "to the brim". Anyway, thanks for your commitment and keep up the good work. 😊
Totally agree. On all my ICE cars (before I went EV), I always brimmed the tank ... Allowed me to get my genuine mpg as opposed to the economy the car claimed to be doing (car always claimed better mpg than actual figures).
@WheelieTheCapper Well, my last two hybrid cars actually showed exactly how mycket fuel I used, though last digit was truncated, not rounded, so it showed −1 on last digit of liters/100km half of the times compared to when I calculated my consumption. Pretty good in any case. 🙂
Habit; I only ever really topped off the tank in my car when I knew I was doing a long journey, other than that I used to just stop off on my way to the supermarket every other week and put in what I needed for the next couple of weeks, usually £20-£25. There wasn't much thought behind it other than I knew that amount would do me for the two weeks. With EV I just plug it in when I get home after using it and still don't really give it much thought unless I know I have a longer journey and I change the settings to charge to 100% rather than the usual 80%.
Again assuming that you can charge at home. Sadly the body corporate in my apartment block has banned charging in the underground parking area. Also considering banning ev’s from parking in the parking area.
Same here!
I queued once for about 5 minutes. That’s in 18.5 thousand miles
We need cheap destination chargers. When they are available when going away for a weekend life is much more simple. I am tempted to only visit places that have them! It is getting better but still need more. There should be less focus on rapids, there are already enough of them.
Got my first EV in April 2021 (Jaguar I-Pace), worried about range anxiety I popped onto the M6 and drove North - way past the cars capacity to get me home. Wasn't the greatest (this was pre-the old motorway chargers were upgraded), but never had an issue or worry since. Rarely have to spend anytime "waiting" for car to charge. - its just a comfort or lunch break. Mostly charge at home tho, that's £5 per 200 miles.
Within day-to-day commuting with an old fashioned car, if the fuel starts to get low you have to worry about making time to go and fill up on the way to work. With an EV you plug it in and charge over night and never have 'fuelling' get in the way of your plans.
I'm surprised that 20% of current EV owners can't/don't charge at home; I wonder how many can charge at work or somewhere else where they get cheap rates; hopefully (for price reasons) that 20% are driving a Tesla and using Tesla chargers. Saying that 80% of current EV owners can charge at home isn't the same as saying that 80% of vehicle owners can charge at home. A lot of people who won't be able to charge at home will be the same people who haven't yet made the switch to EV. If we reach 100% EV on our roads then the percentage who can charge at home will probably be closer to 60% when you consider the number of flats and houses without drives.
The EV range, IMHO, if someone asks the dealer they are quoted the figure in the brochures but the real world figure is often a lot less as the person will use the A/C, radio and other things available to them in the vehicle. The A/C can drop the range 10% as can driving faster, things like wipers, radio and other items might only drop the range by one or two miles but sometimes the instruments can say that the vehicle has 20 or so miles of range left and suddenly die on the driver.
Another informative video hope you're well and your family kind regards Marcus
Having been driving EV since the early days of the Electric Highway it somewhat annoys me when people concentrate of its problems and ignore the simple fact that it was probably the most important feature of getting EVs onto the Motorways of the UK, by providing FREE power to users.
Even in my first LEAF I was able to 'road trip' well beyond the claimed range of the car, the only time I ran out of charge was my own fault in the first month. I even managed a day trip from Havant to Chesterfield and back one day, and thanks to E/Highway at no cost!
Now with a larger battery LEAF I rarely use an away charger except on long trips. Last summers 2000+ trip round Scotland went without a hitch, using Rapid Chargers only.
Quite simply range anxiety is in the head of the media. plus the simple inability of many people to read simple instructions as to HOW to start a charge!
Agree with all you say. I've been an EV driver for many years. Charger anxiety for non Tesla drivers certainly does exist. I rarely use public chargers but have faced queues and non working chargers. One thing that I've not seen covered is the charging rate of cars ie an EV6 can charge up to a couple of hundred miles in 15 minutes or so using it's 800v charger ( is that right ? ) I don't understand this, I had a Kona EV , no idea what that could take. We have terms like rapid and ultra rapid for chargers but not for the cars themselves. Any chance of covering that Dave please.
Yes, EV6 charge at a fast rate on suitable ultrafast chargers (10 to 80% in 18 minutes), which provides circa 250 miles range. The EV6 has a max charging rate of 235kW, which is enabled by it's 800v architecture. There are other cars on the market, most very expensive, that can charge at 350kWh, some even as high as 500kWh, that charge in 10 minutes or less.
The Kona EV has 400v technology, but a max charging rate of about 100kW (77kW in the older models) and charges from 10 to 80% in about 47 minutes on a 100/150kW fast charger for a similar 250 miles of range to the EV6. The Kona EV cannot charge faster than 100kW, even if on a 350kW ultrafast charger.
However, my experience is the charging rate is rarely the consideration for EV driving as the approach to refilling the car differs. It's no longer the annoyanced to get over and done with as quick as possible and be on your way as with fossil fuel cars. Rather it's something that you leave the car to get on with, that just happens in the background, whilst you do something more important/useful instead. In other words the EV fits around your life, rather than with a fossil fuel car where life has to fit around the car.
Thank you so much for such a detailed reply and the time it must have taken. Brilliant.
Last week i put 300 miles in my ev ( 2 seperate charges when rates at their lowest) and it cost me £2.94 on my home charger
Both overnight
Had my ev 15 weeks and ive done 2000 milez cost me £48
Cheers Dave spot on again
Great video
Spot on!
To add to my previous comment normally the cheapest fuel in town are two automatic unmanned pay at pumps in an industrial estate, que is 8 to 12 cars on average, lucky if you clear in 30 mins.
I hace a 1st Gen Zoé, without home charging, as my only car, I feel range and charger anxiety everyday.😮
Good review
Grena Green is open .
14 chargers! Great news!
I'm wondering if, instead of a handful of chargers here and there that are often unsuitable or broken, why not have big charging hubs spaced evenly around the country, each with 200,300 chargers and with attendants making sure they're looked after?
In reality it's always been charger anxiety , in England & Wales we only had Electric Highway, Tesla (for that elite club 😇) and a few Polars/Podpoints up until about 2018 when others joined the party. Scotland , well Chargeplace Scotland...or not. (few Teslas too).
You can’t accommodate every individuals level of anxiety, I know a lady driver that freaks out if she nears 50% in her tank. Scientist/academic too, emotional & no logic, they’ll catch on eventually.
If you know for sure the EV charger will work and is reliable, you can stretch the miles to a lower state of charge without worry.
The answer to that is that we need to know how many miles we can do on a fully charged battery, making the range of the car more important than the equivalent of miles per gallon.
Of course the press made things worse for people who have decided on getting an electric vehicle rather than a petrol or diesel car.
Grat one Dave, We need more destination chargers at Hotel and Motels, 7/11kWh will be fine and charge overnight whilst EV is not being used. I think there are plenty of Rapid chargers, but do think being that maybe some routes need some added.
Hotels here do and they charge insane prices for them as if the EV drivers are millionaires. In many cases more expensive than the DC fast chargers in the area.
Destination chargers are brilliant! Used one recently at an IBIS Budget which was 37p a kWh, so about 10p a mile, which is cheaper than my most efficient ICE car.
Its nice to have a lot of money to buy an expensive EV that can drive hundreds of miles on a single charge Dave. Not everyone is as well off.
I'd have to buy a 5+ year old EV if I wanted to be even close to my price range. There is no way I will do that as there are way to many stories of people getting massive out of warranty repairs on older EVs. I'd have to spend 25k £ to get a decent EV with low mileage and range and drive half around the country to get it. Used EVs near me are mostly 30-40k £ if you want decent range and still in warranty.
I did a 540km trip that needed 5 charging sessions for over 2 hours of total charging time with my e-Golf. My old Golf TDI could have done that in one go with half to 2/3 a tank probably. In winter I wouldn't even bother as I'd probably have to charge another 2-3 times or sit and charge to nearly 100% each time.
I spent £24K on a 2 1/2 year old 4+ e-niro with 9K last year, Still got 4 1/2 years warranty. They can be had if you look. 300 mile range to boot.
@@johniooi3954 Which is a bit to much for me. I might be able to do 20k depending on what I would get for my current car. Market is a bit different here in Norway probably. I didn't make that clear in my post as I converted the prices.
The e-Niro is not going to get 300 miles unless you drive with a hat. And it has terrible DC charging speed as well.
I've been looking at used MG4, but they don't seem to sell much of the base model without the ugly rear "wing" and 51kWh pack here. I'd love to get the 64kWh, but those are all in the luxury variant with the wing. That wing a cleaning nightmare as it wouldn't do well in a machine, and I've got shoulder problems that prevent me from doing much hand washing. Another thing is that I believe its only the 51kWh battery that is LFP.
There are brand new MG4 64kWh Luxury for sale at my local dealer for 23k.
On a side note: It was interesting to learn about the over saturation of fuel stations inn the 70’s. 😄
I think I must live in a particularly good area. I live in Broxbourne, Hertfordshire and have to use a rapid charger at a local superstore because I live in a communal area as far as car parking is concerned.
You make a lot of assumptions about people, Dave, stop presenting them as facts, makes you sound like a propagandist and I'm sure you're not being paid for this.
how is that electric heating is 3/4 times more expensive than gas or disel heatiing while ev's is much cheaper to drive? How does it work?
Mainly due to cheaper rates per kWh at off peak times eg midnight til 5am. So at home EV charging is mainly done then.
Because you want your heating on in the day or early evening when energy is in high demand, but evs can charge in the middle of the night when there is lots of excess energy;
Some decent points made however I disagree on claiming the there are too many chargers planned. Given that many of those planned are probably in the wrong places it well more likely balance out in the long run. Let the ones that aren't needed clothes in the end! I suggest staying quiet on this and let them build them. What else do EV drivers get out of the system now?
In addition I suggest you consider the various scenarios where chargers are needed in adverse circumstances.
Ignoring destination and other level two chargers,
I suggest if you consider dividing the country up, using existing major roads, into north-south and West- East routes for the whole length of the UK and position charging services, ideally no more than 50 miles apart, would provide about the number of services needed. You have to bear in mind that not all EVs are equal, they all have different starting points and some may be towing loads in adverse weather which could divide their best range by 3.
For the foreseeable future I suggest that if you plan to travel on a rush hour day, towing a caravan in adverse weather you will need every charger you can think of on your route!
Yes, unreliable chargers need to be a focus of correction. If a large portion of chargers pose problems,, the result is a lot of wasted time, plus general irritation, and no increase in speed of charging, or in the number of chargers, can ever remedy that.
Smart Haircut Dave!
Where’s it all gone! 😮
720 miles range on my diesel. Filled up when 20 miles left to three clicks. I hated filling up. Always filled up first then use the facilitates if needed, but this rarely was needed at a filling station.
So thats around 16 gallons then yes - maybe more - or your GOM when you are full lies and you don't ever track it. Oh and that's about £115 to fill up. Not to mention the toxic fumes coming out of your exhaust, though I guess you're not bothered about that...
@@mikegipson1224 Keighley ignores 400,000 premature deaths in the EU from air pollution caused by diesel - EVery Frunkin' YEAR! No worries: Brexit saved British children from EU air pollution...
@@mikegipson1224 I used to get 700 miles out of my VW Golf over two weeks. Cost me about £70 when prices were in the 120s.
Same 700 miles in EV costs me £20 and I never have to visit a ‘filling’ station.
@@mikegipson1224sounds like you don’t know much about modern diesel engines. 640 miles range on my seven seater based on the average 54mpg on the last 6000 miles. On a long run though it’s about 60mpg fully loaded.
@@javelinXH992 But how long will it cost to recover the cost of your EV? It's a fools game to kid yourself into believing the EV package is saving you money. You save. by your own figures 50 every two weeks. 1300 pounds a year. Have you got back the cost of your EV yet? Don't even start on depreciation. It will depress you even more.I lost 600 pounds per month. That's one hell of a lot of Diesel
5k mile trip UK across Europe around Norwegian scenic routes. Easy, no problem/anxiety wouldn’t do it in any car but a Tesla. Mainly because of driving characteristics of EV. ICE=steam engines.
Hello mate
Dave I voted Tory and I'm a proud EV owner and supporter but surely if 40% of dwellings can’t have home charging then the 2030 or 2035 ICE ban can’t be currently justified
There is no ICE ban in 2030, nor was there one in 2035.
0% of dwellings have home petrol or diesel refuelling points, so what alternative are you proposing?
@@drplokta I think most people can understand the difference in experience waiting to fill petrol versus waiting to charge EV even it's got as simple as just plug in overnight.
Denying that for those with only street parking would be silly. I'm prepared to give plenty of examples where an EV is totally acceptable but having to rethink charging against a monthly fill up is not realistic for many.
@@djtaylorutube I agree but I think as we see more chargers at places like supermarkets, retail parks, cinemas, restaurants etc. the time taken to charge becomes less of an issue if you are doing something else productive with your time. For example, I go to the supermarket every Saturday and if GeniePoint could get their finger out and repair the charger that has been broken for months it would be easy for me to charge whilst I was in the store shopping (I charge at home but you get the point). This would be no greater inconvenience than when I used to fill up at the petrol station at the supermarket. Similarly, I could plug in at the BP Pulse charger whilst I have something to eat in one of the restaurants on the retail park next to the cinema. Price is still an issue as these chargers as they work out more expensive than petrol but that is a different issue to that of access and convenience.
@@paulweston1106 Yes, it needs there to be so many points that they're ubiquitous and guaranteed to be available, then there's the price...
We used to plug our Leaf in when we had it and went shopping but back then it was free charging so why not but only two spaces in the entire multi story car park. Couldn't be relied on, just a nice perk.
Dave do you think Labour will do anything ?
Labour has promised to restore the 2030 ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars. We'll see!
Probably not apart from the usual blame game of the Tories ,s fault for the next 5 years
Do you mean in general or specifically about EVs ?😊
Petrol station required staff. Chargers don't have that requirement. more than half of the population don't have access to off road parking. Competition won't reduce costs without oversupply.
Depending on which country you are in, in the UK more than half of the population have access to off street parking.
@@DwaynePipes how much more exactly? So if 50.1% have off road parking screw the rest?
@@tangerinestorm
The last split that I saw was 58 - 42 IIRC.
@@DwaynePipes so 42% of the population should just get stuffed? And where does this data come from?
@@tangerinestorm Apologies, my memory let me down.
The split is 65-35.
That comes from a report done by the RAC in 2021.
Quoting:
"However, with 18 million (65%) of Britain’s 27.6 million households having - or with the potential to have - enough off-street parking to accommodate at least one car or van there is a huge opportunity for charging electric vehicles at home."
I don’t want to be shouted at and told what I know already. What a ridiculous video.
This is complete rubbish. Who goes out of their way to fill an ICE car? Almost every single trip you make takes you past at least one petrol station. You hop out, fill up to the brim, pay a standard price with any payment card, and drive off.
And any super modern car like an EV6 is way out of most people’s budget.
Please stop saying it’s not a problem. It is a problem. We need to recognise that and buy EVs for the right reasons, I.e because they enable you the freedom to STOP giving your money to the fossil fuel companies, to eliminate tailpipe emissions, to reduce carbon emissions, and to fill up with clean cheap energy overnight, to stop supporting regimes like Saudi Arabia and Russia, …
If you can afford an ev that supports 300kW or even 150kW charging then lucky you, but for most of us buying an ev costs either much more money or much more charging time on the motorway but it is a sacrifice I’d happily make for the RIGHT reasons.
Worried about charging? Don't buy a non-Tesla...
Why, tesla have opened up some their chargers to all, soon it will be all so no need to buy a tesla.
Why? I live in a city of over 2.1 million people, we have a whole 12 tesla superchargers!
I drive a Tesla for work and an ICE car for private and drive many daily miles for work in my EV, and I do enjoy many of your videos, but you seem to naively trying to convince people that there is virtually no difference in driving an EV vs an ICE car and you are so wrong. EV's without doubt comes with range anxiety, if you have an ICE car you don't have to fill up to the brink because there is normally always a petrol station around the corner where you would only need to stop for 5-10mins.
IMHO you are not honest in your assessments in the way you attempt to diminish the ease in which ICE drivers top up and the time required to top up an EV, I can tell you my work productivity has reduced do to the fact that I have to factor in EV charging time between site visits and have to supercharge every working day, but due to the company I work for wanting to go green it is what is is, they have to take the hit.
By the way I and my partner really enjoy driving an EV particularly the Tesla, and to me that is what these vehicles should be sold on the absolute joy of the smokeless, oil free, quiet, non-smelly, environmentally friendly joys of ownership of an EV.
One pedal driving is wonderful 😀
On a warm day, you can always spot an EV. They drive with the windows opens the air con uses too much power. In an ICE driving with the windows open is not only noisy but also less fuel efficient than driving with the air con running.
Amusing but absolute bollocks! Last Thursday we began driving down from UK to Madrid, Spain for a BBQ, then immediately back up to Northern France before heading home. Speed limit all the way, AC on. No issue, you're talking from the basis of memes but nice try! 🤣
(Heat pump is about 1% of the power used, update your knowledge basis)
If the price of charging was increased they may well be able to afford to fix broken charges. Think about it.
Public charging is already about 10x the price of home charging, and not far off the same cost per mile as fossil fuels. Most charger faults can be fixed with a simple software update, or even just a 'switch it off and on again' done remotely with no need for an engineer to visit the site. What level of price increase are you thinking? Prices need to come down, using the supermarket philosophy of pile it high and sell it cheap, selling lots of units at a low profit margin is always better than massive profit margins from low volumes.
@@barnseyfrommossley For prices to come down, physical usage of each charger needs to go up, so that the cost of each charger is recouped quicker. Dave has already stated a few times. Just how little % a charger is used a day. Like everything, until companies start to see a return, then prices will not drop much. No matter how cheap the electricity costs to them.
@@barnseyfrommossley Have you been to a supermarket latellty? Kill off the competition then put the prices up and people will have nothing to compare us with. Fruit and veg and meat may be cheaper at a supermarket but the quality is dreadful by comparison.
@@barnseyfrommossley Once you get above about £0.52/kWh you are pretty much breakeven with the average ICE car; according to ZapMap the average cost for public charging is £0.80/kWh.