Center- and spotting drills

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  • Опубликовано: 17 дек 2024

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  • @CaskStrength777
    @CaskStrength777 3 года назад +7

    Best explanation of centering drills & spotting drills I've ever come across- few in American machining know or care about these differences- but the skilled people do, because it does matter.
    What Stefan calls "chisel point" is called the drill web in America- its only on standard drills, and he's right- it smashes metal away, it doesn't have cutting geometry. Split point drills get rid or the web- which is why they cut with less pressure and more accurately.
    Imho, the single edge 120 degree "D" drill is the most accurate type of starter drill- exactly because of what he describes, its basically a single edge cutter, closest to a single point cutter, which is most accurate.
    Knowing these differences is what makes a real machinist 👍 Great video.

  • @newtsfarm
    @newtsfarm 8 лет назад +73

    Keep this type of video coming as often as you feel like sharing your knowledge with us.

    • @johnbazaar8440
      @johnbazaar8440 8 лет назад +9

      I agree with Dale.
      There is always something to learn.
      Any time you would like to show a different way to do something, please do so.
      Thanks,
      John

    • @BorisSpark
      @BorisSpark 4 года назад +1

      Totally agree!! Can't ever have enough knowledge, the more you know the easier you sleep😂😂 love people sharing their knowledge!!

  • @StraightThread
    @StraightThread 8 лет назад +3

    These short tutorials are wonderful, Stefan! You have the knack to explain the subtleties of processes in a way that is direct and clear.
    Doc McCain taught machining and metalworking for many years in the industrial arts department at the university I attended. He would sometimes stop everyone from what they were doing and tell everyone to "gather around", then he would give a short tutorial on the proper technique or details of an operation that you wouldn't learn in a book. This video reminded me of him.
    So, yes, keep doing the Gather Around videos.

  • @mrcpu9999
    @mrcpu9999 5 лет назад +2

    You sell yourself short as a teacher. I learn more from this single channel about practical and the practice of machining than anybody else. RobRenz for the discussions of nanometer accuracy and everything is rubber, and dreaming about making high-precision parts, TOT for the belly laughs and kittens, and Stefan for the thinking man jokes and the graphs and charts and fine details on lots of the steps. Don't change your process or sell yourself short. I also realize this is an older video, but I learn something from all of them.

  • @Metallurg33
    @Metallurg33 8 лет назад +2

    Your short "non-teaching" videos often convey more information clearly that whole semesters that I took for "professional teachers". Thanks & keep them coming as often as you like.

  • @chrisstephens6673
    @chrisstephens6673 8 лет назад +3

    Whether you like it or not you are by definition a teacher. Keep this sort of video coming, there are many who will benefit from your insights.

  • @Mtaalas
    @Mtaalas 2 года назад +3

    Watching this in 2022.... it's so clear how much more comfortable you're with English these days :)
    It wasn't bad at all even way back then, but clearly you've improved a lot :)

  • @Rick_Bagnall
    @Rick_Bagnall 7 лет назад +17

    "SG CAD" I love it! good video. I like your thorough explanations.

  • @Ropetangler
    @Ropetangler 8 лет назад +3

    As many have already said Stefan, you do great work, and you also have the gift of passing on your knowledge and wisdom, for which we are most grateful. Thank you and please keep them coming as time allows you to compile the videos. The video quality as well as the content is top quality.
    Rob

  • @marceltimmers1290
    @marceltimmers1290 8 лет назад +12

    Hi mate. Yes you are a teacher. I recon a teacher is someone that has knowledge that an other has not. You are very willing and capable in sharing your knowledge, therefore you are a teacher. Well done mate

  • @philm46
    @philm46 8 лет назад +9

    worth mentioning that the traditional lathe centre drill is designed to drill centre holes for the tailstock centre , the point before the 60 degree taper is to give relief so the tailstock centre does not end up supporting the work on the very end of the point.

    • @dougbourdo2589
      @dougbourdo2589 8 лет назад +2

      Yes. That is about the only reason for the 60 degree starter. imho......

  • @bhartwigutube
    @bhartwigutube 8 лет назад +1

    Ah, Stefan: anyone who shows how things are done is a teacher - I appreciate everything I have learned from you through your videos!

  • @jimmilne19
    @jimmilne19 8 лет назад +1

    I benefit greatly from you videos and enjoy your style as well. These shorter videos are very nice and offer me what I want most, instruction and demonstration on "how to do". You do it very well indeed.

  • @petersmith5277
    @petersmith5277 5 лет назад +3

    Yes please, despite my age (83) one needs education and being brought up to date. Additionally your excellent patient explanations give time to understand things more fully. Thanks - just back from Hamburg and Flensburg having been with
    the old steam boats, round harbours and up the Elbe with also some model engineering exhibitions. Cheers.

  • @frankmuller5649
    @frankmuller5649 8 лет назад +2

    Being a teacher should be a calling... so please listen to all the voices... you my friend have been chosen! Keep up the awesome work and keep sharing your knowledge... I learned so much already and I promise not to stop as long as you don't! Keep it coming... you are adding to the collective knowledge of mankind with every single video you do... trust us. :)

  • @michedmck
    @michedmck Год назад +1

    Excellent vid, Stefan! Although nearly everyone uses a centre drill to start a whole, it should really only be used for inserting a centre. Using the very tip is ok, but it should be said that the diameter of the tip should be at least 70% of the drill diameter which follows it, to make it effective! My vote is for the 120° spotting drill.
    Thanks again for being willing to share your knowledge!
    Vielen Dank, mein Herr! Schöne Grüße aus Südafrika!😊

  • @adhawk5632
    @adhawk5632 Год назад

    I had no idea that i was center drilling wrong, the D-Bit grinder is an epic tool, now i see why all my favourite channels have them, so useful 👍👌🇦🇺

  • @vistastang
    @vistastang 8 лет назад

    Honestly Stephan, I watch a lot of machinists videos on RUclips but yours are my favorite. I will watch whatever you produce.

  • @jlippencott1
    @jlippencott1 6 лет назад +1

    Many years ago I learned some lessons from seasoned machinists in a production shop that knew much more than I did about the proper way to start and drill holes accurately and efficiently. Since then I have always done it this way and have always had great success.
    I use 135 degree point stub (screw machine) drills every time for starting and drilling holes. The sizes that are not too small are short enough to maintain rigidity for positional accuracy when chucked properly and usually long enough to drill to the required depth as long as the part is not thicker than the drill flutes are exposed. There is no need to predrill holes with a spotter or center drill (if the drill is perpendicular to the surface of the part), since the stub drill IS the spotter, and it saves much time when there are a lot to do.

  • @vinnieblaar3786
    @vinnieblaar3786 8 лет назад +2

    He Stefan, Mechanical Engineering student from Holland here! I really enjoy watching your videos. I can really appreciatie your attention for detail!

  • @mrcpu9999
    @mrcpu9999 6 лет назад

    Love this kind of video. Projects are great, but this kind really helps flesh out the details. Don't stop either.

  • @ShuffleSk8Ter
    @ShuffleSk8Ter 7 лет назад +2

    I learned this when I first started out my mentor who was an engineer type explained it just like you did :) this is one of the reasons why I really like your channel

  • @CreaseysWorkshop
    @CreaseysWorkshop 8 лет назад +24

    I'd like to see you sharpen a twist drill on that grinder.

  • @matze1508
    @matze1508 8 лет назад +5

    thank god finally someone made a video about this topic! i always cringe, when other youtube machinists spot every hole with the 60° spotting drill.
    where i worked we always center drilled with a 90° center drill but added the chamfer for the thread or the hole with the spotting drill beforehand.
    thats another topic to make a video about. always chamfer your threaded or reamed holes before you thread/ream. in germany every apprentice learns it this way but on youtube nobody does it. pretty weird in my opinion.
    great video! :)

  • @BillyTpower
    @BillyTpower 8 лет назад +2

    best center drill and grinding video on the www. yes please more of this style.

  • @lbcustomknives
    @lbcustomknives 8 лет назад +7

    Stefan you always give a precise explanation enjoy all your videos bud. Just keep doing what you are doing. Take care lee

  • @tonyburndred9828
    @tonyburndred9828 8 лет назад

    Hi Stefan. Top man, your attention to detail, and your passion for what you do, makes good teaching and enjoyable watching. What ever the age group watching this, will learn something on that i'am sure. Me being a retired tutor, I tell you you've got it. Keep the vids coming, on any subject you want. Regards Tony

  • @garyc5483
    @garyc5483 8 лет назад

    Many thanks for sharing your knowledge. Most if not all of us can still learn from another persons dedication to their trade. Thumbs up for any video you put out Stefan. regards from the UK

  • @lorenlieder9789
    @lorenlieder9789 8 лет назад +1

    Very good info Stefan you post some of the best machining videos on RUclips!! Keep them coming to us.

  • @paulbuckberry7683
    @paulbuckberry7683 7 лет назад +1

    Every day is a school day Stefan! You're never too old to learn something and eh, if I already know it I can hit the 'move to the next video' button so keep em coming!!

  • @sp33dp4reak
    @sp33dp4reak 8 лет назад

    I appreciate these short 'tips and tricks' videos. Thank you for all of your effort!

  • @iTeerRex
    @iTeerRex 6 лет назад +1

    Yes please.. more tutorials/tips-n-tircks regardless of the time length. Thanks Stefan

  • @BickDE
    @BickDE 8 лет назад

    Hi Stefan,
    First video I have seen which explains the use of center drills and spotting drills and you have done it very well. You make it so understandable and complete. The use of your T&C grinder to make other tools (engraving, spotting etc) is an added benefit. Keep it up.
    Bob

  • @tonysplace8009
    @tonysplace8009 3 года назад

    Thank you for the comparison and clarification of a variety of tools used to locate a position on a piece of material. Nothing is as simple as it seems.

  • @tabaks
    @tabaks 6 лет назад +2

    Excellent video. I particularly appreciate your effort to (successfully) measure your words for consistency and clarity of the concept.

  • @hampdentime
    @hampdentime 8 лет назад

    Very good common sense instruction. Never thought about center drills like this before. Thanks for your efforts!

  • @francescomidknight8621
    @francescomidknight8621 8 лет назад +5

    very interesting video, I would love to see more of these, there is always something to learn about machining. Thank you for sharing!

  • @petersmith785
    @petersmith785 4 года назад

    Please more of your tips and methods - I find your methods easily understood to apply and does improve my abilities. Thanks

  • @Lou-je7nh
    @Lou-je7nh 8 лет назад +1

    Stefan, just sharing your knowledge and expertise is teaching and you are a very good one at that. thank you for the videos and for sharing what you know. also you are getting close to 10K subscribers!

  • @timmallard5360
    @timmallard5360 8 лет назад

    This kind of video is invaluable to the non pro machinist. I never even thought about the mechanics of the spotting operation but it makes perfect sense now! There is too much marketing and super materials to sift through when learning now. These fundamentals get lost in the shuffle thanks for sharing your knowledge.

  • @robgerrits4097
    @robgerrits4097 8 лет назад +1

    I always used centerdrills, that was the way I was taught to do it. Seeing this video has changed my mind. Now I also understand why drillbits wobble arround the centerdrilled hole, You see that often here in other videos. Top Lipton used a 38 mm drill to bore out and he started the centerhole with a centerdrill. You see the big fat drill wobbeling arround before it settled down. Stephan has shown in this video that a little difference of just 2 degrees actualy makes a very big difference! Thank you.

  • @RRINTHESHOP
    @RRINTHESHOP 8 лет назад +4

    Very interesting, great info. Very nicely done.

  • @Tome4kkkk
    @Tome4kkkk Год назад

    This was 200% of what I was looking for! Perfect format.

  • @danielwerger5641
    @danielwerger5641 8 лет назад +2

    Yes Stefan, more video's like this would be greatly appreciated...! Cheers and thanks...!

  • @250-25x
    @250-25x 7 лет назад

    I would very much like to see more videos like these! I never had the opportunity to learn machining in trade school, I am a Master Plumber, so anything I can learn about basic machining is GREAT! Thanx, Gerry

  • @tomwardman5655
    @tomwardman5655 8 лет назад +1

    I like these Videos, because you explain why I am not getting the results I would like using the tools I am using. Very well presented and well explained. I knew I should be doing something different just wasn't smart enough to figure it out for myself. Thank you. Tom

  • @duobob
    @duobob 8 лет назад

    Excellent video, Stefan, and I like the tutorial format. You have shown what I have been suggesting, the use of a starter drill with a larger included angle than the drill which will follow it. That also includes using a 140 degree starter bit for starting 135 degree drills. I have mostly gone even beyond that, to using 135 degree, split point, screw machine (stub) length drill bits. Now we have the small point, the short length, and the rigid shank so we can often just drill the hole without using a starter drill at all, especially if the surface is relatively smooth and at 90 degrees to the drill. The time savings can be quite significant, with no apparent loss of accuracy...

  • @howder1951
    @howder1951 8 лет назад

    Hi Stefan, I enjoyed this video a lot. Very good subject matter and the actual grinding procedure, you make it look easy. thanks

  • @stephenreeves9025
    @stephenreeves9025 8 лет назад

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts on how and why, they do make you a teacher and it is greatly appreciated. I would like to see anything you wish to produce as I know it would be informative.

  • @Philc854
    @Philc854 3 года назад

    Very informative and instructive. I shall try this. Thanks. More videos like this please!

  • @KnolltopFarms
    @KnolltopFarms 8 лет назад

    Your videos are always interesting AND educational, even if you'd prefer not to claim it for yourself. Even if there is a subject I feel I know plenty about I am not one to think that there is nothing more to learn. Learning is one of my all-time favorite things in life. Thank you very much and have a good week at work, Aloha...Farmer Chuck

  • @GReddyDaG
    @GReddyDaG 4 года назад

    Please do more of those technique videos. It's realy great to learn what's best practise.

  • @kostasstamatakos1230
    @kostasstamatakos1230 8 лет назад

    Yep! Project based vidz are great! But knowledge sharing vidz, are what we need to make our own projects! Keep them coming Stefan...

  • @carneeki
    @carneeki 8 лет назад +4

    People thought I was crazy for wanting a 120 degree spotting drill over a plain centre drill. This feels like a vindication. Thanks for sharing! :)
    BTW: These videos full of tips are fantastic!

  • @paulades9857
    @paulades9857 8 лет назад

    Thanks for this video. You impart your knowledge in a clear and straightforward manner. Please continue.

  • @lesliebird5621
    @lesliebird5621 8 лет назад

    Keep them coming Stefan. They are very interesting and useful. Thanks

  • @peterheuts7738
    @peterheuts7738 8 лет назад

    Hi Stefan, Eventhough I like your project video's very much, I also like these shorter "how and why" video's. Great info and a pleasant format.

  • @ChrisB257
    @ChrisB257 8 лет назад +1

    Excellent points Stefan - great reminder, and examples.
    Love your grinder - need one of those. Must make me a D bit but have to do by hand - somehow!

  • @unpob
    @unpob 8 лет назад

    Thanks for sharing Stefan, had those in my tool box and did not know what they were.

  • @juanrivero8
    @juanrivero8 8 лет назад

    I have been center-drilling for about 15 years now and now I realize that I didn't know anything about it. Thank you for this video, and by all means give us more "technique" videos when you feel like it. I was well acquainted with D-bits, made a few myself, mostly reamers. Never occured to me to make a spotting drill (or NC-Anbohrer if you prefer) out of them. Another thing I learned is that a tool and cutter grinder is an extremely useful tool. I certainly couldn't do that freehand. Have to look into that.

    • @juanrivero8
      @juanrivero8 8 лет назад

      Oh yes, the SGCAD drawings were priceless, that's when I undestood what was happening.

  • @centurialinc
    @centurialinc 8 лет назад

    Good video! Keep them coming. The drill angles never crossed my mind till I saw this. thank you!
    Best Matt

  • @mauricedelarosa6928
    @mauricedelarosa6928 4 года назад

    Hi Stefan,
    Great video and explanation of the differences between a spotting drill and a center drill. I had always heard that you shouldn't use a center drill for spotting on the mill, but I never received an explanation 'why' and ironically, even though I was told that it was not proper, everybody still used center drills on the mill anyway. One comment you made around 11:30 was in reference to spotting for small drills (~1.0mm). You mentioned an 'intro to the vertical mill' and I looked for that video but could not find it. I do a lot of drilling into 304 stainless steel with drills of OD .03125" (~0.75mm), and sometimes even smaller. I would love to get your advice on the best way to spot for these small drill diameters.
    Thanks again for your thorough instructional videos.
    -Maurice

  • @egx161
    @egx161 7 лет назад +1

    Great demo. There are 140 to 150° spot drills also. There is an ongoing argument over spot vs. center drill that has been raging for years. Would love to see a follow up video showing scribed line to center punch mark to spot drill to final drill demo. Thank you. Very cool.

    • @StefanGotteswinter
      @StefanGotteswinter  7 лет назад +3

      I wanted to do a video on proper hole locating anyway, showing different ways to get a hole into position... :)

    • @egx161
      @egx161 7 лет назад

      Without a DRO, hole locating accurately is one of the trickiest machining operations. A DRO would save many ruined parts.

  • @geneelliott3230
    @geneelliott3230 8 лет назад

    Thanks! Very informative, this should improve my accuracy greatly. Yes please share your learned tricks and also your projects.

  • @Chris-bg8mk
    @Chris-bg8mk 8 лет назад

    Yes! Also how to sharpen and modify drills with web thinning, point splitting, extra relief angles... That grinder can do a lot of stuff! Regular twist drills can be made high performance!

  • @theradarguy
    @theradarguy 8 лет назад

    Stefan, very enlightening video. I have a tool and cutter grinder and really don't know how to use it. More on that would be great. Thanks

  • @stumccabe
    @stumccabe 4 года назад

    Excellent video. As always, I learnt something.

  • @camarillojohn
    @camarillojohn 7 лет назад

    a very good explanation regarding the various angles on spot drilling, thank you.
    is it possible to demonstrate how to cut a two fluter ball end mill on your Dekle ( Chinese) grinder?

  • @DSCKy
    @DSCKy 8 лет назад

    Any video with a running machine is better than most videos without running machines. :)

  • @SuperKingslaw
    @SuperKingslaw 7 лет назад +2

    really outstanding video. I like projects a lot, but these informative tips are wonderful also!!!

  • @eddyfontaineyoutu100
    @eddyfontaineyoutu100 8 лет назад

    Very informative little video !
    Please keep them coming !

  • @kristoferjonsson3362
    @kristoferjonsson3362 8 лет назад

    I love these tips and tricks videos. I need all the help I can get.

  • @ianrenshaw6653
    @ianrenshaw6653 7 лет назад +1

    I love your videos! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us Stefan!

  • @xAbsim
    @xAbsim 8 лет назад

    Keep em coming. I always learn something new when i watch your videos.

  • @mchiodox69
    @mchiodox69 7 лет назад +1

    Awesome video - please keep making them. Much thanks!

  • @Gkuljian
    @Gkuljian 8 лет назад +1

    I love these tips. I didn't know a few things in this one.

  • @tedburgess870
    @tedburgess870 8 лет назад

    Hi Stefan,I find such videos very instructive as you put them over in such an interesting and informative way, Good to mix in with project subjects. Regards, Ted.

  • @dougankrum3328
    @dougankrum3328 8 лет назад +1

    ..Every video is a treat...and a thumbs up!

  • @rupertpowell
    @rupertpowell 8 лет назад

    That was excellent Stefan. PLEASE do some more techique-orials - Now I want a tool grinder too. Those d-bit starters work extremely well!

  • @donaldmayes2916
    @donaldmayes2916 4 года назад

    I like your videos I have a Wolf brand SOE tool and cutter grinder and i take the top collet holder off and made a block with a dovetail on it and it has square a slot in it with a hold down clamp so i can grind square tool bits. I know they make square collets but they are pricey this is the cheaper way out. Thanks for your videos

  • @mollygeorgie609
    @mollygeorgie609 8 лет назад

    Very useful video Stefan. Thank you!
    There are no comprehensive RUclips tutorials devoted to using the Chinese type single lip cutter grinders. It would be really helpful to give your viewers an explanation of how to make the various angular adjustments using the machine's controls. I know you touch on this here and in some of your other videos but a more introductory approach to the adjustments might be helpful. Would also be good to have your thoughts on what modifications/accessories can be made in the home shop to make these single lip grinders more versatile for sharpening conventional cutting tools, end mills etc. I enjoy all your videos Stefan.
    Ramsay

  • @markfulmer8501
    @markfulmer8501 8 лет назад

    keep up the use of the so grinder and the different settings-
    thanks
    Mark

  • @David_Best
    @David_Best 7 лет назад

    I like these kind of videos, but not exclusively - keep doing the project videos as the main focus. A video like this that I would love to see is how to get good surface finishes on the lathe with various grades of steel using insert and HSS tooling. The steel commonly available here is 1018 (cold rolled) and A36 (hot rolled). Getting a decent surface finish taking deep cuts is pretty easy, but when you want to take a 0.1mm depth of cut, the stuff tears instead of cuts, leaving a surface finish that will pull the wool out of your socks. Thanks for all your videos - much appreciated.

  • @tcseacliff
    @tcseacliff 7 лет назад

    love that grinder! you have some awesome tools in Germany!. and they look old school cool !

  • @davidcolwill860
    @davidcolwill860 8 лет назад

    Yes keep them coming!
    I tend to use ordinary stub drills which are cheap as chips for most of my spotting, is there any reason you don't mention them?
    Thanks for an interesting and informative channel :)

  • @mg-shop6996
    @mg-shop6996 8 лет назад

    Another great video! Tooling and use always interesting. Doing the mixture of projects to tips videos that feed your passion will feed ours too. Especially love your tooling projects. Thanks! M'Gillikeyr

  • @Watchyn_Yarwood
    @Watchyn_Yarwood 8 лет назад

    Excellent video! Please keep this type video coming! Much appreciated!

  • @David_Best
    @David_Best 8 лет назад

    Project video suggestion: Make your own Deckel SO Single Lip Grinder knock-off. I love that machine - didn't quite understand how it produces the back rake angle and the geometry setup of the indexing mechanism, but really cool machine.

  • @jerrywells4380
    @jerrywells4380 8 лет назад

    The title was not anything I thought I needed, but I was wrong. Thanks for sharing.

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 8 лет назад +1

    I enjoy these kinds of videos. This goes into the world of just how accurate can you consider a drilled holes location to be? I enjoy doing these kinds of videos from time to time as they tend to spur the best hate mail. :-)

  • @jdaz5462
    @jdaz5462 6 лет назад

    Excellent video with superb explanation.

  • @mre3820
    @mre3820 8 лет назад +1

    Good instructional video. Your workmanship is excellent :)

  • @greasemonkeygaragewatson1069
    @greasemonkeygaragewatson1069 8 лет назад

    Thanks Stefan love this kind of content as it helps with all my work wish other guys on youtube went this way.regards Jeff.

  • @LittleAussieRockets
    @LittleAussieRockets 3 года назад

    Very helpful information Stefan. Thank you

  • @ralphgould2783
    @ralphgould2783 5 лет назад

    I enjoy your tutorial videos. There is a lot of holes in my training.
    Thanks

  • @EmmaRitson
    @EmmaRitson 8 лет назад +1

    thankyou stefan. very useful video on a subject that can be controversial.. much apreciated

  • @kenmoose1315
    @kenmoose1315 8 лет назад

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us. Great video!

  • @coldformer1
    @coldformer1 8 лет назад

    your videos are always have great content i say keep doing it the way you are now what ever you want to share i am sure will be pleasing to everyone, and thank you for sharing

  • @jojeemojee4471
    @jojeemojee4471 5 лет назад +8

    I like this "Analog " SGCAD)

  • @hisab-n8c
    @hisab-n8c 8 лет назад

    "Tricks whit tools" Very nicely done !