@MissMarms probably because vehicle actually hit him in the head as he bent down to tie his shoe hence it was found in the snow....he crawled to the point where he passed out and in morning dog scratched to try and awaken him...hence scratches were only couple of hours old according to defenses professional whatever
@MissMarms maybe thick jeans......cold could have stifled bruising....I'm just guessing all I do know is that her dad...her first lawyer and herself all spoke of her guilt although accidental...strange that a cop would let a drunken woman drive him around in a blizzard at night anyway...but doesn't some kind of monitor within her suv have her backing up for a distance at speed?...there's just too much evidence working against her 🤔....it wasn't until Jackson came on much later that it all the sudden became conspiratorial....I could go on....her eyes were very shifty during court you can see guilt in them
I'm amazed that anybody can listen to the evidence, see all the funny business with the evidence going on and hear the lies and disgusting remarks from the prosecution witnesses and not be able to arrive at reasonable doubt.
@@loudharley6926 Apparently they don’t understand that “Reasonable Doubt” is JUST that. Doesn’t mean 100%certain. With that said, I don’t understand how anyone can say they are not absolutely certain KR is innocent of ALL charges….At least after today’s bombshell there is more to come that will, more likely than not, have a significant impact regarding THIS trial!
@@heatherm9163 ohhh, new drama announced today. The jury actually was only deadlocked on 1 charge and not guilty on the other 2 which means she will almost absolutely be acquitted on 2 out of 3. Big screw up by the judge.
Corruption knows no bounds. There has to be a plant on the jury there’s no other way. This evidence is so overwhelming. It’s getting so depressing where people can’t even recognize the truth and won’t act on it. This is pathetic obviously Person lied to the court. When ask, could they be fair and impartial .
This is someone’s FREEDOM AND LIFE, too. And I don’t see the evidence. I was worried the fix was in. Now it’s confirmed, in my opinion. Another thing, the Alberts and McCabes knew exactly what they were doing using and sitting with the family. It was a clear signal “look at us, the family loves us, couldn’t be us!” -that shouldn’t have been allowed to happen….period!
I heard the main stream news reporter that stated he watched the jury file out 11 with long tired faces one male juror smiling. Who is reporting the smiling juror is the foreperson?
Yep. Works so much better. I was on a jury in FL when I was 18 and was selected as the foreman. It was a civil trial, but we did exactly what the lady speaking did. Asked the one person that was on the fence (about the decision that majority of us were in agreement with not guilty) what their reservation was. After hearing them out and talking through it a little more, she was able to see why we all felt the way we did about our decisions and it made sense to her.
Awee! I worked at the Gig Harbor, Safeway all through high school and college I wonder if we crossed past there or anywhere else that would be so fun if we did! I live in the Artondale area, been in the same house for 14 years! I hope I did a good job representing our town. I know I was super nervous and talked quickly and didn't enunciate my words... Do you still live in the area?
I don't know there's just something about this judge I don't know what it is she seems tired she seems aggravated she seems like she just wants this to all be over you know usually a judge looks serious and like they're into it you know and she's just like in her own little world
Hello neighbor! Thanks for listening! Sorry I was so nervous and anxious, not used to being on camera. Happy I have a fellow mate from WA in this group! Thank you!!!
@@AnitaMorris-p3e aweeee!!! You are so sweet my neighbor! Thank you so much for being so thoughtful and kind towards me! Clearly I'm not experienced at being on a live stream, I was so anxious and nervous. But it's people like you who really helped to put me at ease. If you're ever in "The Harbor" lmk! Thanks again for your support and sweet words! I hope you have a wonderful weekend. It looks like we might look out and have decent weather, actually!!!!
@@AnitaMorris-p3e Aweee!!! Thank you so much for your kind comment and feedback! I hope you enjoyed your had weekend and have a wonderful week!!! Also, this area is fairly small so if you ever spot me out in public, be sure to say hi ! I would love to thank you in person for your kind words!
I am so sorry. I tend to talk really fast when I'm anxious and nervous. And I was definitely both that morning. It was my first time ever being interviewed on a livestream before. Also, I've been fighting an awful bug and have been sick for over a week. I heard the close captioning does a pretty good job of capturing the words I spoke. If I do ever go online again, I will pay attention to the cadence and enunciation of my words! I appreciate your feedback. 🙏
This trial post verdict regardless the outcome will make tons of money and is sad the O’Keefe family needs to sue all the parties to the coverup and demand real justice for John.
Don't mean to be mean...but....I feel she's guilty. Changed her story a few times. IF...you are the accused of something....and have absolutely nothing to hide.....then, hide Nothing!
@@allkindsamusicchicktoo many inconsistencies for my taste. And a trooper, who's the lead investigator, talking about an ACTIVE INVESTIGATION to his highschool buddies is ridiculous. Just sounds to me like that entire department is corrupt, along with several people in the community
@@allkindsamusicchicklook up Paul O’Keffe car crash. Coincidentally the brother of the deceased was involved in a crash a couple years ago at 24 miles per hour. His car was absolutely destroyed at that speed. The contrast is shocking
Right! How is there even 1 person that sat there and has looked at all the evidence and listened to all the contradictory statements, seen Lally chase his tail by changing theories and think she is guilty of anything. Like there is at least 1 person that believes the tail light wasn't intact at 5:45 despite seeing the video that it is indeed intact. There's at least 1 person who believes Trooper Paul and his I don't know it just did excuse. There is at least 1 person on that jury that doesn't believe an expert who has performed over 13,000 autopsies. This is bananas. I will never believe the Albert's and/or McCabes got to at least 1 juror. I would 1000% throw the hold out under the bus. I would've written a note saying there is one person who refuses to listen to reason and because of this person we are deadlocked. We need this juror replaced or the verdict is hung.
He lied several times during his closing. But when you consider the investigation, evidence and witnesses were all dubious - all he had for closing were lies.
Lindsey you are right about Lally. During closing he said things that were not true. He changed a few things that were never said by the witnesses. I caught the same thing that you did. I thought wow what an idiot.
@@HarborLinz I’m so terrified that this jury is not understanding OR that there really is a plant and I don’t believe the plant will budge. Nothing to lose by holding out for days. I’m just terrified for Karen… I don’t trust the “system” anymore since Miu in Apple River Wisconsin was found guilty by a jury for murder when he was defending himself against an angry drunk mob attacking him.
When I heard this it literally drained me.. I feel so bad for Karen and her family and the lawyer's.. just all concerned.. it's a sad day and I truly believe there is someone that's a hold out!
She won't get away with that again when they reconvene. The next time they go the jurors are going to get pissed and then she's got a hell of a mess I was on a hung jury and I informed our judge three times before they finally relented. But I carefully crafted why we were which was because some of the witnesses did not have any credibility with a lot of us. It wasn't until I sent a thorough explanation that there was going to be no verdict because the prosecution's prime Witnesses or not credible with the majority of the jury that she relented
Imagine THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS AGAINST YOU !!! What a horrible horrible place to be. To be let down by your fellow citizens. And that grosssssss judge being corrupt right in front of our eyes
@@luciaconn6788Karen Read was laughed because otherwise she would cry. The FBI will step in due time. Can't overcome physics, hard science, and medicine. The world knows she is not guilty. The 0.01% of people that believe she is guilty do not understand physics
She drank and drove and hit a man, leading to his death. Whoops?? Is that your attitude?? Her lawyer Yannetti, quoted in Boston magazine back in 2023 said it was an innocent accident. He would never have said that had his client not said it was an accident, meaning she hit him.
11 jurors walked out yesterday downcast and looking frustrated and sad and one emerged smiling. This means that 11 jurors are literally trying to teach physics, science, and medicine to one juror and that juror is the holdout. Absolutely unreal that we are here. Either this person is a complete idiot, they are intimidated, or they are planted and affiliated with the Alberts in some way that the attorneys did not uncover
Planted, if it's Bev's handpicked juror and possibly a former police officer which also implies two judicial branches mistreating a fair trial. Watch Bev retire soon after as an alternative to being held accountable.
@mothersgauri4137 Netflix would pick it up and it would have 1 hour episodes in each season . Of which there would be at least 15 seasons . lmao 🤣 😂 but I'd watch it all ❤️❤️💛✨️🇬🇧🙏
Her brother repped Chris Albert in his vehicular manslaughter cause back in 94’. Don’t tell me the families don’t know each other. She’s absolutely helping the CW in ever “legal” way.
She said she’s NOT GONNA READ THEM a dynamite 🧨 charge yet. While they clearly wrote asking for further instructions. Lally n her decided it wasn’t enough time. Yanetti wanted it to be read. Bev sucks
I’ve been saying that the whole time! Literally with names like “Elizabeth Proctor” and “Goode”. If the walls in this courtroom could talk, they’ve probably been saying “Welcome back!!”
Man they knew there was gone be a hold out that’s why Lally went out so sad. He was lazy with no direction and didn’t care about his delivery. I am so pissed
I've been saying since day 1 that if anyone thinks that the McAlberts didn't at least get to one juror with threats promises or both they are delusional! There has 💯 been jury tampering! And now the prosecutor is pushing this jury to make them keep going because they know the hold out is never gonna change their mind because they are being blackmailed or paid or whatever. So the prosecutor thinks that the others will at least capitulate and slap her with a lesser charge! This is fucking disgusting, I knew that they were gonna get to a juror or 2! Nobody honest in their right mind could find this woman guilty of even striking him with her car let alone killed him nor was he struck with any car. Omg this is absolutely atrocious!!!
I agree with you! And if i remember Ever correctly, I think Lindsay mentioned that Wednesday, she had concerns about the jury being able to hear all the testimony or the lawyers, due to the noise of the fans, air conditioning, and other background noise. But I agree with you!
The smiling juror is so happy to sabotage and control everyone, maybe angry he wasn’t chosen as foreman. He is either a narcissist who loves to argue and be a stand out or he has been bought off, threatened, manipulated, lied to by someone else.
Hey Larry. You may want to watch back the parts where you told Lindsey to turn it down a notch. Once okay. The others came across as condescending especially when she had been quiet a long time and was trying to add something to the conversation. No hate meant towards you, just constructive feedback from a long time viewer.
34:20 mark? Bro she barely squeaked out a "you're good" trying to encourage you at this point cause you kept on her to "dial it down" or whatever. She didn't even say anything and you look like a controlling ego maniac at this point. Made it super awkwwrd to watch. And if you were joking that time it didnt come thru b/c she was already awkward to talk. Maybe relax a bit, i dont want to finish video and I was really enjoying her story.
Agreed, she was clearly nervous, and probably not used to being on a live stream. I think she kept getting thrown off by his comments or his distractions. It made me feel bad for her. I felt uncomfortable when he kept doing that, can't imagine how she felt.
@MelanieELauren and there is a slight second or two delay in someone talking and the other hearing it. If she isn't aware or used to that, she will accidentally talk over him repeatedly until she figures out the timing. And he cut her off to retell the same stuff he already said at the beginning about allen charge etc. I found her very charming and articulate, a great guest overall but I wont finish the video cause yeah nope.
If you live in Canton prayers for all of you, and hope your town has different people running for elected official postions and stay strong to protest for resignation of those who need to go, as the town meeting that are viewable are distributing at times, scary.
Or call over 50 times and leave those messages? She was worried, then she was mad, then she thought John was cheating, then desperate, stating she was leaving the kids. That doesn’t sound like someone who did this deliberately. She was hung over, foggy brained, drinking on meds, I believe the idea that the idea was planted.
How is it that the Albert household did not emerge when Emergency services arrived or even before with Karen's screaming ? Not a sign of them for a fellow officer. And they show "solidarity" by travelling to other police funerals way out of their area. Makes no sense to me at all. 🤔
Did anyone also notice Bev never made a decision on the spot?! She always had to take a minute or overnight. It was almost like she had to call her handler or was taking orders from someone.
YASAASSS! She usually responded with hostility initially, and when she came back hours later or the next day, she was more calm and responded more rationally.
The judge in Murdaugh trial never made a decision on the spot. He called his friend judges for their opinions and then retired as soon as he could get the hell out of the courtroom!
IKR? I'm really surprised Theo Keith family are still holding their position that Karen is guilty. John 's brother didn't interview and said it was based off of a "vibe" he had in an interaction with Karen right after JO Had passed I understand our grief , but convicting the wrong person is not giving justice to John
This is a good example of a corrupt judge. The jury says it is hung and doesn't see a way of getting a verdict so what does the judge do she thinks she can force them to come up with a guilty verdict by telling them go back and come up with a verdict or you will keep deliberating until you do. If I was that jury now I would come up with a verdict not guilty on all counts in spite of the judge. Then after the case was done I would go to media and tell them as a group that the judge force us to make a decision on a verdict. If the jury ends in a hung jury they can retrial but a not guilty verdict means no retrial.
This is not that tough! Someone called to see him w long it takes a body to freeze. They had a video conference after the party - c’mon man THAT does NOT happen without a reason! The dog did NOT bite a man lying on the ground freezing and dying! That dog attacked as ordered by handler most likely OR there was a violent altercation between a family member (inner circle to dog) and the victim. If the body was out there because she hit him they would have seen it! Trying to wear down the jury wanting it to be over - they would have to KILL ME TO SIDE WITH THOSE cops!
I still don’t know how this got through a grand jury never should of been charged let alone this trial & poor explanation of evidence & even of what happened that night the fix was in !! 😮
I was on a criminal grand jury in downtown Los Angeles. There is no defense, just straight up prosecution. All the jurors get is the defense witnesses and defense theory. That’s why they say “you can indite a ham sandwich”. We heard two different cases and we voted guilty for both of them. I honestly don’t see the reason for grand juries because it’s so one-sided. It makes sense to me the grand juries in this case voted guilty to move the case to trial. That being said, Karen is 100% being framed.
@@Musicislife477 this whole case needs a close investigation by a federal agency something smell rotten in this town . And what about the dog those are dog bites can’t get past that something happened that nigh5 inside that house 🏡🤔🤫😮😧🤭
I’ll say it again the jury reached out and used words like exhausted despite their best efforts to be unanimous yada yada. I took it as them needing that further instruction 🧨 charge. Today being the end of the month and a Friday at noon it would have been appropriate and maybe brought us a verdict by the end of day. But Lally and Bev r sloooooow at everything. And she didn’t even ask what the split is. 🐢 boy said in a live right after that happened he thinks it’s a woman who’s 30 holding out. He doesn’t think it’s the cop. But who knows.
You’re filling in when Emily is busy 😂. You both are two different channels love both. Your recent videos have been good and funny. I’m sure they’re all great.
Forgive me, but I got laughing SO HARD when I saw and heard your "Alright, I'm calm!". But we love and need your authenticity!!!!!!!!! Don't change. Don't stop. You are a natural-born leader. So, lead! And, give us your best analysis. We are all depending on you.
That is so so sweet of you to say! I was very nervous and anxious, and that didn't help anything. But I appreciating feedback so if I ever am on a live stream again or any video, I will be aware of the cadence in my speech, enunciate my words, and calm the f down! 😂😂😂😂
This comment still gives me a sense of calm (pun intended) - Thank you! I have it on a screenshot so I can look at it when having any insecurities Clearly, you are a beautiful, kind and wonderful person. We need more people like you out there. 💛💛💛💛
👉🏼 One small change to the judicial system would make a 200% improvement in its effectiveness. The United States should have a Federal rule that a "guilty" verdict requires unanimity, and a "not guilty" verdict requires 10 of 12 (or 11 of 12, perhaps). Courts would err on the side of not convicting innocent people, and an UN-reasonable, biased juror would be prevented from hanging an otherwise unanimous "not guilty" verdict!
The judge cannot ask what the split is. In some jurisdictions, they can ask jurors what issues they are deadlocked on. But they cannot ask what the split is. Jury deliberations are secret and anonymous unless or until a juror decides, after the trial ends or there is a mistral declared, to speak out whether by name and face or still staying anonymous but with evidence provided they really were a sitting juror.
I agree. If they cannot unanimously find her guilty- she should be not guilty. Theres obviously not enough evidence to find her guilty- so there is reasonable doubt. I’ve always felt that without a unanimous guilty- the verdict should be not guilty. The common wealth did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Period. Unfortunately, that’s just not how it works.
@stonesatglasshouses3477 I agree with that. I said it should be unanimous for a guilty verdict, and majority rules for not guilty (6 or more), but I wouldn't disagree with a non unanimous guilty verdict being an automatic not guilty. The government has such an overwhelming advantage already, the defense deserves the benefit of the doubt in all matters.
Can you explain to me how this judge can keep doing whatever she wants, without following the law? Can all her blatant biases be used for an appeal or for sanctions against her, if Ms. Read is somehow found guilty? Thank you for all your hard work, and coverage of this bogus trial! (Your nickname for the always beautiful, Chandler, MUST be BING right? 🤣🤣🤣) Cheers from 🇨🇦
The Judge knows there will be an appeal if there’s a conviction and a Superior Court will review everything she’s done. She’s done nothing to be reversed on. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
She's making this as painful as possible. This is the punishment the jury gets for not bringing in a guilty verdict. That's why she is not interested in the split.
The slam dunk for me is that JOK had no trauma below his neck wtf ✌️🇬🇧
@@MissMarms exactly!
@MissMarms probably because vehicle actually hit him in the head as he bent down to tie his shoe hence it was found in the snow....he crawled to the point where he passed out and in morning dog scratched to try and awaken him...hence scratches were only couple of hours old according to defenses professional whatever
@@joannamccaffrey2992 so no other injuries? No grazed hand legs or any other part of his body unless the whack job ME was wrong? ✌️🇬🇧
@MissMarms maybe thick jeans......cold could have stifled bruising....I'm just guessing all I do know is that her dad...her first lawyer and herself all spoke of her guilt although accidental...strange that a cop would let a drunken woman drive him around in a blizzard at night anyway...but doesn't some kind of monitor within her suv have her backing up for a distance at speed?...there's just too much evidence working against her 🤔....it wasn't until Jackson came on much later that it all the sudden became conspiratorial....I could go on....her eyes were very shifty during court you can see guilt in them
I'm amazed that anybody can listen to the evidence, see all the funny business with the evidence going on and hear the lies and disgusting remarks from the prosecution witnesses and not be able to arrive at reasonable doubt.
Well, they can't. So that says everything. Decided based on biases, or based on something far more sinister.
@@loudharley6926 Apparently they don’t understand that “Reasonable Doubt” is JUST that. Doesn’t mean 100%certain.
With that said, I don’t understand how anyone can say they are not absolutely certain KR is innocent of ALL charges….At least after today’s bombshell there is more to come that will, more likely than not, have a significant impact regarding THIS trial!
@@heatherm9163 ohhh, new drama announced today. The jury actually was only deadlocked on 1 charge and not guilty on the other 2 which means she will almost absolutely be acquitted on 2 out of 3. Big screw up by the judge.
Corruption knows no bounds. There has to be a plant on the jury there’s no other way. This evidence is so overwhelming. It’s getting so depressing where people can’t even recognize the truth and won’t act on it. This is pathetic obviously Person lied to the court. When ask, could they be fair and impartial .
This is someone’s FREEDOM AND LIFE, too. And I don’t see the evidence. I was worried the fix was in. Now it’s confirmed, in my opinion. Another thing, the Alberts and McCabes knew exactly what they were doing using and sitting with the family. It was a clear signal “look at us, the family loves us, couldn’t be us!” -that shouldn’t have been allowed to happen….period!
How did Judge Bev pick foreman before they eliminated the alternates? Also the foreman is the one who came out smiling and the others not so much!
She didn’t want that particular person leaving. I’m sorry we lost the last good juror, who took all those notes.
If that is true, it’s a conflict in my opinion
I heard the main stream news reporter that stated he watched the jury file out 11 with long tired faces one male juror smiling. Who is reporting the smiling juror is the foreperson?
Love you Larry screw Auntie Bev
Judge seems to be wanting to exert more influence than I've seen in trials in our area (Boston)
Bev got payed and couldn't deliver.😅
Absolutely shocking this judge is fuming love watching you from Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪
MUCH love to you, Dublin, IRE!
Science trumps intuition every time!
In Florida, the jurors select their foreperson.
Yep. Works so much better. I was on a jury in FL when I was 18 and was selected as the foreman. It was a civil trial, but we did exactly what the lady speaking did. Asked the one person that was on the fence (about the decision that majority of us were in agreement with not guilty) what their reservation was. After hearing them out and talking through it a little more, she was able to see why we all felt the way we did about our decisions and it made sense to her.
Has there been any issue in this case where the judge has NOT ruled in favor of Lally?
That's a great question. I would love to know that as well!
Tennessee jurors pick their own!!!!
I grew up in Gig Harbor! Well, the Key Peninsula, but still!!! Oh it's so cool to see someone from my home on DUI Guy!!
Awee! I worked at the Gig Harbor, Safeway all through high school and college I wonder if we crossed past there or anywhere else that would be so fun if we did! I live in the Artondale area, been in the same house for 14 years!
I hope I did a good job representing our town. I know I was super nervous and talked quickly and didn't enunciate my words...
Do you still live in the area?
I don't know there's just something about this judge I don't know what it is she seems tired she seems aggravated she seems like she just wants this to all be over you know usually a judge looks serious and like they're into it you know and she's just like in her own little world
Like she’s bored…. Maybe time to retire? Clifton Newman was excellent in the Murdaugh trial!
@@beverlyaragon2328 this is exactly what I've been feeling about the judge. It's obvious that she is annoyed that she's on any trial.
She's acting like she doesn't want to be there
She must be a neighbor of mine!!! I’m in Auburn Washington! Howdy neighbor
Hello neighbor! Thanks for listening! Sorry I was so nervous and anxious, not used to being on camera. Happy I have a fellow mate from WA in this group! Thank you!!!
@@HarborLinz I wish I would have hit ya live so I could have said hi then!!! But I think you did great!!!
@@AnitaMorris-p3e aweeee!!! You are so sweet my neighbor! Thank you so much for being so thoughtful and kind towards me! Clearly I'm not experienced at being on a live stream, I was so anxious and nervous. But it's people like you who really helped to put me at ease. If you're ever in "The Harbor" lmk!
Thanks again for your support and sweet words!
I hope you have a wonderful weekend. It looks like we might look out and have decent weather, actually!!!!
@@AnitaMorris-p3eagreed!
@@AnitaMorris-p3e Aweee!!! Thank you so much for your kind comment and feedback! I hope you enjoyed your had weekend and have a wonderful week!!!
Also, this area is fairly small so if you ever spot me out in public, be sure to say hi ! I would love to thank you in person for your kind words!
The foreman she selected is an ex cop
She was really hard to understand
I am so sorry. I tend to talk really fast when I'm anxious and nervous. And I was definitely both that morning. It was my first time ever being interviewed on a livestream before. Also, I've been fighting an awful bug and have been sick for over a week.
I heard the close captioning does a pretty good job of capturing the words I spoke.
If I do ever go online again, I will pay attention to the cadence and enunciation of my words!
I appreciate your feedback. 🙏
Not guilty! The judge is biased and she wants the jury to find Karen guilty....she must retire or go to prison.
Judge doesn’t look so happy
What if the Wonder is the one juror saying not guilty and the rest are saying something different?
This trial post verdict regardless the outcome will make tons of money and is sad the O’Keefe family needs to sue all the parties to the coverup and demand real justice for John.
I saw a case where they Alan charge and asked what the split was and then they say which charge they were having trouble with.
Imo there shouldn't have been that many "witnesses"
I think the judge is trying to wear them down, help the Commonwealth
But who knows
Big surprise Judge Bev sides with the prosecution… I’m soooo shocked🙄
I kinda do too, but I agree she should have asked for the split or what they were having trouble with.
Don't mean to be mean...but....I feel she's guilty. Changed her story a few times. IF...you are the accused of something....and have absolutely nothing to hide.....then, hide Nothing!
@@allkindsamusicchicktoo many inconsistencies for my taste.
And a trooper, who's the lead investigator, talking about an ACTIVE INVESTIGATION to his highschool buddies is ridiculous.
Just sounds to me like that entire department is corrupt, along with several people in the community
@@allkindsamusicchicklook up Paul O’Keffe car crash. Coincidentally the brother of the deceased was involved in a crash a couple years ago at 24 miles per hour. His car was absolutely destroyed at that speed. The contrast is shocking
@@allkindsamusicchick she never changed her story! Everyone else did…several times. Maybe you missed the trial and evidence?
during the trial Lally said Karen hit /John at 12:45, then I closing he stated the accident happened @ 12:30
Right! How is there even 1 person that sat there and has looked at all the evidence and listened to all the contradictory statements, seen Lally chase his tail by changing theories and think she is guilty of anything. Like there is at least 1 person that believes the tail light wasn't intact at 5:45 despite seeing the video that it is indeed intact. There's at least 1 person who believes Trooper Paul and his I don't know it just did excuse. There is at least 1 person on that jury that doesn't believe an expert who has performed over 13,000 autopsies. This is bananas. I will never believe the Albert's and/or McCabes got to at least 1 juror. I would 1000% throw the hold out under the bus. I would've written a note saying there is one person who refuses to listen to reason and because of this person we are deadlocked. We need this juror replaced or the verdict is hung.
@@crystalfarmer4074who is getting a present, or one for the wife.
They can’t get their stories (lies) straight
Karen was back at John’s house by 12:36 am so Lally’s story doesn’t even make sense
He lied several times during his closing. But when you consider the investigation, evidence and witnesses were all dubious - all he had for closing were lies.
Aunty Bev is so corrupt she needs to be Disbarred
Absolutely!
Lindsey you are right about Lally. During closing he said things that were not true. He changed a few things that were never said by the witnesses. I caught the same thing that you did. I thought wow what an idiot.
Thank you! So happy you agree!!! Thanks for commenting!
@@HarborLinz I’m so terrified that this jury is not understanding OR that there really is a plant and I don’t believe the plant will budge. Nothing to lose by holding out for days. I’m just terrified for Karen… I don’t trust the “system” anymore since Miu in Apple River Wisconsin was found guilty by a jury for murder when he was defending himself against an angry drunk mob attacking him.
@@Bunny-ur8fd they're definitely something weird going on on all levels of this trial.
When I heard this it literally drained me..
I feel so bad for Karen and her family and the lawyer's.. just all concerned.. it's a sad day and I truly believe there is someone that's a hold out!
McAlbert plant
I really dislike this judge she is bias
WHAT!!! How can that be...this is so concerning...It's "cut and dry" thst Karen is innocent!! What's going on here??
Judge is exhausting the Jury to pick one, or stay locked up. Bev wants that guilty verdict & she is forcing it. BEEOCH
Yep a BIG B!
She won't get away with that again when they reconvene. The next time they go the jurors are going to get pissed and then she's got a hell of a mess I was on a hung jury and I informed our judge three times before they finally relented. But I carefully crafted why we were which was because some of the witnesses did not have any credibility with a lot of us. It wasn't until I sent a thorough explanation that there was going to be no verdict because the prosecution's prime Witnesses or not credible with the majority of the jury that she relented
She has fucked this case/trial up since it started. She wants to be the female Ito! This has been an automatic appeal from the defense.
Imagine THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS AGAINST YOU !!! What a horrible horrible place to be. To be let down by your fellow citizens. And that grosssssss judge being corrupt right in front of our eyes
Karen Read laughs! Stoic!
That judge makes me want to 🤮
I cannot imagine what she is experiencing the weight of the world is on her shoulders. I just pray the FBI steps in
@@luciaconn6788Karen Read was laughed because otherwise she would cry. The FBI will step in due time. Can't overcome physics, hard science, and medicine. The world knows she is not guilty. The 0.01% of people that believe she is guilty do not understand physics
She drank and drove and hit a man, leading to his death. Whoops?? Is that your attitude??
Her lawyer Yannetti, quoted in Boston magazine back in 2023 said it was an innocent accident. He would never have said that had his client not said it was an accident, meaning she hit him.
11 jurors walked out yesterday downcast and looking frustrated and sad and one emerged smiling. This means that 11 jurors are literally trying to teach physics, science, and medicine to one juror and that juror is the holdout. Absolutely unreal that we are here. Either this person is a complete idiot, they are intimidated, or they are planted and affiliated with the Alberts in some way that the attorneys did not uncover
Wow did someone see this or can I see it on video? It’s the second tie J hear this. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were paid off…
@@ahoyt7523jurors won’t be on video
@@ahoyt7523The jury isn't to be made public until the trial is over and they choose to come out usually
You hit the Nail on the Head Bro
Planted, if it's Bev's handpicked juror and possibly a former police officer which also implies two judicial branches mistreating a fair trial. Watch Bev retire soon after as an alternative to being held accountable.
Anyone in Mass should call state reps and Gov. to request that not a single tax dollar more be used to perpetuate this circus.
We don't have to live there to write them
Larry I've never seen you get so pissed either!! 😂😂 But I feel your pain. I agree with you 100% this judge needs to do her job & she's not at all!!!!!
That judge keeps throwing in the monkey wrench
Karen needs to write a book about the corruption
And definitely a movie.
The only thing is, if she’s found guilty, most likely the profits will go to someone else. If she’s found not guilty, hell yes right the book!
@mothersgauri4137 Netflix would pick it up and it would have 1 hour episodes in each season . Of which there would be at least 15 seasons . lmao 🤣 😂 but I'd watch it all ❤️❤️💛✨️🇬🇧🙏
Totaly
And the lies e g. Jen McCabe🧐
Thank you for sharing in my outrage. I am shocked and deeply disturbed.
If juror was crying because of being bullied and excluded that means that bully is still in. I think this is what Lindsey meant.
And it is probably the ex-cop foreman she selected
Lindsey is not a juror formerly of KR trial
Bev is corrupt
Her brother repped Chris Albert in his vehicular manslaughter cause back in 94’. Don’t tell me the families don’t know each other. She’s absolutely helping the CW in ever “legal” way.
Aunty Bev 🤨
Auntie Bev, shouldn't even be sitting on this case
She said she’s NOT GONNA READ THEM a dynamite 🧨 charge yet. While they clearly wrote asking for further instructions. Lally n her decided it wasn’t enough time. Yanetti wanted it to be read. Bev sucks
The Descendants of the Witch Trial are still thriving!!
I’ve been saying that the whole time! Literally with names like “Elizabeth Proctor” and “Goode”. If the walls in this courtroom could talk, they’ve probably been saying “Welcome back!!”
Yes!!!!!
@@mombythec Absolutely! 👍
Welcome to BOSTON this is a fn disgrace
I’ve been wanting to visit Boston for a few years. Not spending my money in that crooked city & surrounding towns now! No way!!
@@Sis1426nope don't go I will never go to Boston. Shame I'm sure there's some good people there but this is a disgrace
And we know how some of them feel about "outsiders" now...
@Sis1426 don't, ya never know which shotty cop your gonna get...go to new hampshire instead
Someone should keep an eye on the holdout after the trial just sayin
The ex cop is the hold out
I think you are spot on
That was his job from day 1 of the trial.
Why tf would they allow an ex cop on the jury smh
Man they knew there was gone be a hold out that’s why Lally went out so sad. He was lazy with no direction and didn’t care about his delivery. I am so pissed
I don’t believe they have voir dire in Massachusetts, so maybe they couldn’t ask if he was a cop
I appreciate your pain towards this insufferable judge.
I know, it's refreshing! All the other channels are so much more restrained!
That judge is awful! She’s corrupt & ridiculous
Unbelievable, so bias, she should of been challenged from Karen's dfence. This could go for weeks 😅 love your passion, ❤ from Uk
Agree
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I've been saying since day 1 that if anyone thinks that the McAlberts didn't at least get to one juror with threats promises or both they are delusional! There has 💯 been jury tampering! And now the prosecutor is pushing this jury to make them keep going because they know the hold out is never gonna change their mind because they are being blackmailed or paid or whatever. So the prosecutor thinks that the others will at least capitulate and slap her with a lesser charge! This is fucking disgusting, I knew that they were gonna get to a juror or 2! Nobody honest in their right mind could find this woman guilty of even striking him with her car let alone killed him nor was he struck with any car. Omg this is absolutely atrocious!!!
100% corrupt and bias
This judge is terrible. She's playing by her own rules.
Considering all the poor audio, how much did the jury actually hear? I sense jury intimidation..
I agree with you!
And if i remember Ever correctly, I think Lindsay mentioned that Wednesday, she had concerns about the jury being able to hear all the testimony or the lawyers, due to the noise of the fans, air conditioning, and other background noise.
But I agree with you!
I would notb happy about thisif i were karen. Its sad that our system allows for a retrial. If you get hung juryit shouldb the same as not guilty
they run the chance of the FBI dumping more evidence, the old jury let loose blabbing and McAlberts running amuck
The smiling juror is so happy to sabotage and control everyone, maybe angry he wasn’t chosen as foreman. He is either a narcissist who loves to argue and be a stand out or he has been bought off, threatened, manipulated, lied to by someone else.
Dirty money is boss 😡 This is my guess.
What Juror? Who is the smiling juror and how did you see him
@@ebonycrowns5457 Larry mentioned someone in court saw the jurors came out and all were very serious except one guy was smiling happily
How do you know it a man? I’ve heard it’s a woman?
Is he the bald one who looks like a cop 😅
Someone is being threatened or bought off!
Hey Larry. You may want to watch back the parts where you told Lindsey to turn it down a notch. Once okay. The others came across as condescending especially when she had been quiet a long time and was trying to add something to the conversation. No hate meant towards you, just constructive feedback from a long time viewer.
What towards the end seems like he's not listening to her.
Yeah didn’t like it
@@cindycroonenborgh5336 it was really uncomfortable to watch.
@@NerdDogMom me neither
Shouting at the judge with you Larry
34:20 mark? Bro she barely squeaked out a "you're good" trying to encourage you at this point cause you kept on her to "dial it down" or whatever. She didn't even say anything and you look like a controlling ego maniac at this point. Made it super awkwwrd to watch. And if you were joking that time it didnt come thru b/c she was already awkward to talk. Maybe relax a bit, i dont want to finish video and I was really enjoying her story.
Agreed, she was clearly nervous, and probably not used to being on a live stream.
I think she kept getting thrown off by his comments or his distractions. It made me feel bad for her.
I felt uncomfortable when he kept doing that, can't imagine how she felt.
@MelanieELauren and there is a slight second or two delay in someone talking and the other hearing it. If she isn't aware or used to that, she will accidentally talk over him repeatedly until she figures out the timing.
And he cut her off to retell the same stuff he already said at the beginning about allen charge etc. I found her very charming and articulate, a great guest overall but I wont finish the video cause yeah nope.
I agree. I also commented that it was disrespectful. I felt bad for her. It was so unwarranted and just rude.
I knew someone in that jury was in it for the prosecutor to hamper the case
I believe the same things there is 1 that is holding out. You know that is why some people showed up in court at the end.
I knew this was gonna happen. They have one hold out.
They showed up at the end so the family could show the jury the third party tin foil hat crap is nonsense
Bev looks ABSOLUTELY PISSED that they are hung & can't reach a verdict!!!!! She looks like she is f'ing fuming!!! I wonder why that is!!!!!
We all know why!
She doesn’t have time to practice her backward 🦀 walk for the 4th of July festivities. IMO 😂
I think it’s because everyone isn’t following her foreman choice. Just a guess but this is crazy
U know why
You think the judge isn't in on this scam 😡
Hay, you think it's hard to watch the bullshit in this state. You gotta try living here. It's real crazy.
If you live in Canton prayers for all of you, and hope your town has different people running for elected official postions and stay strong to protest for resignation of those who need to go, as the town meeting that are viewable are distributing at times, scary.
Free Karen Read
Hello Larry if Karen had knowingly killed her partner , why would she go back to find out what had happened to him ?
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I’ve wondered the same.
Or call over 50 times and leave those messages? She was worried, then she was mad, then she thought John was cheating, then desperate, stating she was leaving the kids. That doesn’t sound like someone who did this deliberately. She was hung over, foggy brained, drinking on meds, I believe the idea that the idea was planted.
I think that whole town needs to quit drinking.
How is it that the Albert household did not emerge when Emergency services arrived or even before with Karen's screaming ? Not a sign of them for a fellow officer. And they show "solidarity" by travelling to other police funerals way out of their area.
Makes no sense to me at all. 🤔
Why didn't she go straight to the Alberts, it was on her GPS, and beat the door down? Just asking?
Did anyone also notice Bev never made a decision on the spot?! She always had to take a minute or overnight. It was almost like she had to call her handler or was taking orders from someone.
YASAASSS! She usually responded with hostility initially, and when she came back hours later or the next day, she was more calm and responded more rationally.
The judge in Murdaugh trial never made a decision on the spot. He called his friend judges for their opinions and then retired as soon as he could get the hell out of the courtroom!
It is beyond me they can’t see the corruption in this case.
IKR? I'm really surprised Theo Keith family are still holding their position that Karen is guilty.
John 's brother didn't interview and said it was based off of a "vibe" he had in an interaction with Karen right after JO Had passed
I understand our grief , but convicting the wrong person is not giving justice to John
That’s such bullshit. I have never heard of a judge picking the floor person that should be up to the people that are on the jury.
Fore person.
Wonder if hold out is the foreman Beverly picked
I’d bet $50 on it!
Yeah that's a bet id take too
of course- probably the “former cop” Tall Blue wall !
This is a good example of a corrupt judge. The jury says it is hung and doesn't see a way of getting a verdict so what does the judge do she thinks she can force them to come up with a guilty verdict by telling them go back and come up with a verdict or you will keep deliberating until you do. If I was that jury now I would come up with a verdict not guilty on all counts in spite of the judge. Then after the case was done I would go to media and tell them as a group that the judge force us to make a decision on a verdict. If the jury ends in a hung jury they can retrial but a not guilty verdict means no retrial.
They almost always tell them to try a little bit longer.
This judge probably wants a guilty verdict. She is probably friends with some of the other people ( witnesses)involved with this case.
Judge can not help but show her incompetence.
By definition...
Dude I'm furious w this corruption
Michigan the jury chooses their own
Your “Lindsey, bring it down” comments were kind of rude and off-putting.
It needed to be said though.
This is not that tough! Someone called to see him w long it takes a body to freeze. They had a video conference after the party - c’mon man THAT does NOT happen without a reason! The dog did NOT bite a man lying on the ground freezing and dying! That dog attacked as ordered by handler most likely OR there was a violent altercation between a family member (inner circle to dog) and the victim. If the body was out there because she hit him they would have seen it! Trying to wear down the jury wanting it to be over - they would have to KILL ME TO SIDE WITH THOSE cops!
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I feel sick to my stomach. How could anyone say there’s not reasonable doubt? Something isn’t right
Exactly!
I still don’t know how this got through a grand jury never should of been charged let alone this trial & poor explanation of evidence & even of what happened that night the fix was in !! 😮
I was on a criminal grand jury in downtown Los Angeles. There is no defense, just straight up prosecution. All the jurors get is the defense witnesses and defense theory. That’s why they say “you can indite a ham sandwich”. We heard two different cases and we voted guilty for both of them. I honestly don’t see the reason for grand juries because it’s so one-sided. It makes sense to me the grand juries in this case voted guilty to move the case to trial. That being said, Karen is 100% being framed.
@@Musicislife477 this whole case needs a close investigation by a federal agency something smell rotten in this town . And what about the dog those are dog bites can’t get past that something happened that nigh5 inside that house 🏡🤔🤫😮😧🤭
Hahahahah "Do your job for F Sake" hahaha I busted out laughing
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I love that you are so passionate about justice.
I think having the McAlbert clan sit next to victim's family may have influenced juror/,s.
The judge is partial to the prosecution and how on earth are there jurors who think Karen did it….. wtf
Uvalde chief arrested!!! niceeeee!
I think they're going till 4:15 to prove a point--we're done. Gave you a FULL DAY since you gave us crap for a short day this week. Redic
I’ll say it again the jury reached out and used words like exhausted despite their best efforts to be unanimous yada yada. I took it as them needing that further instruction 🧨 charge. Today being the end of the month and a Friday at noon it would have been appropriate and maybe brought us a verdict by the end of day. But Lally and Bev r sloooooow at everything. And she didn’t even ask what the split is.
🐢 boy said in a live right after that happened he thinks it’s a woman who’s 30 holding out. He doesn’t think it’s the cop. But who knows.
Judge don't like defense. Why the H is this judge talking to Jim while defense is speaking. RUDE
Think the holdout in some way is connected someone in the police if a ctually sincere he woulnt have been smiling....
You’re filling in when Emily is busy 😂. You both are two different channels love both. Your recent videos have been good and funny. I’m sure they’re all great.
You must keep practicing!!!
We NEED great counsel out there!
One dissenting juror will not be able to convince 11 others
Statistics I think support this, yes.
The idea is for the minority to cave to the majority.. it seems wrong as hell to me..
Yeah real life isn't 12 angry men
It’s one planted juror who needs only one charge to stick to KR. That is the proctor juror! He promised she wouldn’t skate.
Beverly is very aware of the corruption on all levels. She is the ring leader.
Bev & Lally are having a 4th id July bbq together--working on the menu now. PS-I'm embarrassed to live in MA.
Forgive me, but I got laughing SO HARD when I saw and heard your "Alright, I'm calm!". But we love and need your authenticity!!!!!!!!! Don't change. Don't stop. You are a natural-born leader. So, lead! And, give us your best analysis. We are all depending on you.
That is so so sweet of you to say! I was very nervous and anxious, and that didn't help anything. But I appreciating feedback so if I ever am on a live stream again or any video, I will be aware of the cadence in my speech, enunciate my words, and calm the f down! 😂😂😂😂
This comment still gives me a sense of calm (pun intended) - Thank you! I have it on a screenshot so I can look at it when having any insecurities
Clearly, you are a beautiful, kind and wonderful person. We need more people like you out there. 💛💛💛💛
👉🏼 One small change to the judicial system would make a 200% improvement in its effectiveness. The United States should have a Federal rule that a "guilty" verdict requires unanimity, and a "not guilty" verdict requires 10 of 12 (or 11 of 12, perhaps).
Courts would err on the side of not convicting innocent people, and an UN-reasonable, biased juror would be prevented from hanging an otherwise unanimous "not guilty" verdict!
Great ideas have no place in our justice system!
Ew so rude not even been listening to your guest doing other stuff on your computer
On my way to MAss. I am going to be there if they have to come back Monday.
Drive carefully.
The judge cannot ask what the split is. In some jurisdictions, they can ask jurors what issues they are deadlocked on. But they cannot ask what the split is. Jury deliberations are secret and anonymous unless or until a juror decides, after the trial ends or there is a mistral declared, to speak out whether by name and face or still staying anonymous but with evidence provided they really were a sitting juror.
Because the burden of proof is on the state and 11 to 1 in favor of not guilty should be the same as an acquittal and not a hung jury
I agree. If they cannot unanimously find her guilty- she should be not guilty. Theres obviously not enough evidence to find her guilty- so there is reasonable doubt. I’ve always felt that without a unanimous guilty- the verdict should be not guilty. The common wealth did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Period. Unfortunately, that’s just not how it works.
@stonesatglasshouses3477 I agree with that. I said it should be unanimous for a guilty verdict, and majority rules for not guilty (6 or more), but I wouldn't disagree with a non unanimous guilty verdict being an automatic not guilty. The government has such an overwhelming advantage already, the defense deserves the benefit of the doubt in all matters.
You gave no idea of the breakdown, let alone to which side they might be leaning.
I had never heard of a judge selecting the foreperson.
And h3s a former cop
Every state has their own rules/laws regarding the selection of the foreperson.
I was chosen by judge in mass
It helps keep things corrupt.
In The murdaugh trial, the judge chose the foreperson.
Bev doesn’t want to push for Tuey Rodriguez
Because it will favor Karen, you think?
Can you explain to me how this judge can keep doing whatever she wants, without following the law? Can all her blatant biases be used for an appeal or for sanctions against her, if Ms. Read is somehow found guilty? Thank you for all your hard work, and coverage of this bogus trial! (Your nickname for the always beautiful, Chandler, MUST be BING right? 🤣🤣🤣) Cheers from 🇨🇦
The Judge knows there will be an appeal if there’s a conviction and a Superior Court will review everything she’s done. She’s done nothing to be reversed on. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m not saying she’s not biased, but sending the jury back for more deliberations a couple of times is very common.
@@mombythecfor 4 days? Lol
@@docducttape9270 yes, that's nothing really
She's making this as painful as possible. This is the punishment the jury gets for not bringing in a guilty verdict. That's why she is not interested in the split.