I hope yall rewatch that Butcher and Mallory scene with Ryan so yall see you're taking the situation the wrong way and see that it was ALLLLLLLLLLLL Mallory's fault lol. NONE of what happened is on Butcher.
Kimiko screaming "NO" as they took Frenchie away is heart-wrenching. Just imagine her forcing the word out and having to experience losing *AGAIN* someone that she loved is really heartbreaking.
@@DUBSandChubb I never implied that tho. I was just saying "just imagine" her forcing the word out "and" having to experience losing someone you love again because it is *heartbreaking.*
Wasnt Butchers fault, it 100% went wrong because of Mallory. Butcher giving Ryan the option to leave or stay solely depending on how he feels showed that he trusted Ryan enough to make the right decision as long as he was actually allowed to choose his fate for himself. Ryan cant trust somebody that doesnt trust him, thats why he was so apprehensive when he realized what Mallory was implying. Dumping years of trauma onto a kid with superpowers then telling him he HAS to kill his dad in the span of 2 minutes would obviously evoke an emotional reaction. Ryan is a kid who has honestly been through alot, so it was obvious to Butcher that the best way to engage with Ryan was by showing mutual trust and forming a real bond through common interests. Butcher was actually being a real father in these moments despite the added motives. He was trying to guide Ryan slowly into forming his own opinion based on what he knows is right or wrong, thats why he was so proud when Ryan spoke up on the live broadcast with the puppets. He knew the lessons him and Becca instilled in Ryan were sinking in and he was realizing the reality of the situation. Trying to tell him you're going to gas him and lock him in a cage until he can kill his dad would obviously make him feel scared, betrayed, panicked, etc. Mallory really just ruined The Boys greatest potential asset smh.
the most stupid act that mallory pulled in this episode, I got my answer to "why mallory was not able to take down vought and homelander even after hunting them for decades"...
@@lightningmonky7674 understand their situation. it’s literally the coup d’état by supes in the US. i can’t even fathom the amount of anxiety they must’ve had when they understood a bulletproof mole with super-strength was locked down there with them.
@@SuperGraynard youre both right I won't argue, hell I even thought the scene was funny, it's just that this is season 4 and while I love funny moments I also love seeing our protagonists be competent at their jobs as well is all, it would have been badass if they kept their cool and ended up tricking the trickster
I rewound because I wanted to see if you could hear what the girl said to Frenchie, and noticed as the scene happened again. It's subtle while still right at your face. Very well done.
@@starkillahx Did he ever act surprised at where he was or what was going on? Billy knew he was in a containment center to hold Ryan - if he didn't they would have filmed some exposition to show us he was surprised at anything that was going on. His plan all along was to be there and to grab Ryan - he texted Ryan to come see him, he knew where he was when he did that, and WHY he was there.
@@ColinPoole Ok he called ryan there, but throughout the entire conversation he was descalating things and trying to ease ryan into the conversation. Mallory dumped everything on ryan at once then tried to force him to stay, butcher even said to just let him take some time and go.
@@starkillahx You can give Butcher credit for realizing his mistake at the end but the problem we all have is that he made the mistake in the first place. He conspired with Mallory, set himself up in a secure location, lied to Ryan to get him to come...and when it all unravels he makes one reasonable choice. If that redeems him to you that means you probably have a bias in favor of him I believe. It's like a guy confessing to cheating and someone being like - why you still mad at him he confessed.
that shot of Ashley running from the meeting room while the camera focuses on the Atrain statue is so beautiful and might be my favourite shot of the episode and one of the best in the show. The simplicity of the shot telling us that A-Train made the decision to leave (and made a great decision) and offered to bring Ashley but she denied, and she now needs to leave but can’t so she has to resort to taking V is such great storytelling. All she had to do was go with the GOAT, A-Train.
Yeah, and I think the consequences of not taking up A-Train’s offer to leave with him will have her looking like an actual monster after taking compound V because, in episode seven, she said that it is so easy to become a monster around here, in Vought, and so she's paying up the consequences
I don’t think enough people are making the parallel between Homelander and Sage. When she reveals she did it to “see if I could” Homelanders eerie violin theme played as she smiled, giggled and became excited about the opportunity.
I think her monologue to Vic about her gma told us her intentions, she just wants to watch everything & everyone burn / doesn’t give a F about anything
You can kind of tell a bit their chemistry even as friends in the show was so real. I seriously thought Neuman may have been a potential love interest in the series. Probably not, but the chemistry was that good.
Hell of a season finale...S4 was good but mainly character development season which is good, obviously now S5 being the final season needs to be a full plot season, especially also being only 8 episodes
this season was indeed a set up and could be seen as a part 1, but it was a full plot season. we lost all the hope, help, ideas, characters and even the whole crew is divided in the worst way possible. plot wise, this is insanely bad for the main cast, but great storytelling. the boys gets better and better each season.
I think season 4 is what season 2 was to season 3, its a season that is more about character development and introducing new characters, and season 5 will be the all grand all plot finale
Don't forget that newmen was bullet proof and even homelanders laser couldn't damage her but the man himself tear her apart so butcher got some power now 21:24
Honestly i think butcher was trying to convince ryan with love etc but mallory let her desperation get the better of her, cause he played connect 4 wanted to explain what homelander did slowy but mallory like hughie said left no mercy, also i jusf noticed this we see ashely take the v and start changing but thats it so we dont know if she has a insane power or what
I love how they are all sitting there wondering why Butcher is suddenly evil as if the previous scene didn't make it obviously clear he gave himself up to Kessler after Mallory screw up with Ryan
@@bigpictureguys8415 i think that they will carry this ruthless butcher thing till the last episode in season 5 until when he finally comes against Ryan and stops because of Becca. Probably he will sacrifice himself. But its too soon for theories. I mean they kept almost every character's storyline open for season 5. how things will work between SB, HL, BB, and ryan....who will team up with whom! can't tell. But what I really want to see is that Butcher should take down homelander for god's sake. they have been teasing this for 4 seasons. so now if they don't give that to us, i will loose my mind, the only person I would like to be killer of HL is butcher, where he finally takes revenge for becca. Ryan killing HL or SB killing HL....i won't like that at all.
Nah, blaming Butcher is straight up dumb, I'm sorry. Grace ruined everything by info-dumping Ryan that hard & threatened to lock him up. What did she think was gonna happen? All that was 100% her fault.
See everyone’s problem with sage being the smartest person in the world is the assumption that the “smartest” person is a “good” person, because when ur the smartest things like good and bad don’t really matter all that does is can u actually apply ur smarts to real world applications. This is just a chest game between her and the rest of the world and she just took the strongest piece on the board
I mean I guess they havent watched anything related DC where Lex Luthor is considered the smartest person in the world and he is literally Superman’s archnemesis
It's more like cynicism than outright villainy. It's very typical for intellectual types to become jaded and she'd explained that the one time she tried to do good she was laughed out of the room.
Look at these people. Being upset over a person's death who has killed hundreds of innocents. Butcher always wanted to kill her from the get go. And so did Hughie after finding her nature. Just because she a good mother and protective one she needs to be forgiven? This is what the show does best. Makes people question their allegiance again and again.
Whoawhoawhoa. Billy didn't ruin things with Ryan, Mallory did by escalating too fast. The literal only thing they could do is appeal to Ryan in the first place so they had to talk eventually. They were also on a time limit.
@Thenormies idk how you guys came to the conclusion that Butcher messed things up with Ryan. His approach worked until Mallory fucked it up. You guys have to be sane.😂
I predict that Starlight is gonna try and find A-Train, also Sam and Cate’s aura is crazy , Sam really no diffed kimiko and restrained her like a toddler
I wonder what Ashley's powers are gonna be. Wouldn't be surprised if she got Green Lantern's powers and ended up giving Sam hell or throwing a rhinoceros construct at him
Well Kimiko is The Boys version of Deadpool and Sam is the show version of the Hulk. Kimiko has the normal super strenght that all supers posses but Sam has to be the phsically strongest super in the show after Soldier Boy,Homelander and Ryan.
@@Catarssis347 that’s overestimating Sam. He has the same strength level as Blockbuster or Thing from Marvel. If a Supe with Harry Leland’s powers came along and increased Sam’s mass by 100,000lbs, not only will he pinned to the floor but he’ll sink underneath it. Especially to Homelander. Now if we get a Supe with Sebastian Shaw’s powers, oh man…. I doubt Homelander alone would stop him. He’ll need Soldier Boy’s, Butcher’s, Sam’s, and A-Train’s help to overload him
@@kaithesamurai5943 those are spasms and side effects of the drug. Doesn’t necessarily mean that her head will have some head powers. She could end up having Emma Frost’s telepathy and diamond skin or Dracula’s vampire powers
It’s wild to me how many people online were defending Annie saying she was “correct” to get mad at, and blame, Hughie for being r*p*d. And again correct for “forgiving” him by telling him to shut up and get tested. Wild wild wild. The victim blaming was astounding.
This being blamed on Butcher is insane to me, he was handling that situation perfectly. The only thing I blame Butcher for is not seeing how Mallory could’ve fucked that up.
This wasn’t butchers fault at all. Butcher was coming at this from a place of kindness. Now he’s trying to clean up everyone’s messes. Hughie’s, Mallory’s, Annie’s , and everyone’s at this point
Yeah, if her powers weren't working, then she couldn't have flown there. Also, if she's been prisoner for 10 days, how did she even know where the bunker was located?
@doristarlungeanu5698 so she magically a It wizard with extensive ios knowledge never before seen on the show😂. There's plot armor and whatever tf is this.
Them instantly blaming Billy proves how inept they are seeing whats literally right in front of them. "Normies" couldn't be more spot on to describe this couch full of simple minded people.
@@TheeKorovaMilkBar lol I just checked. I don't want to watch people sitting on tables with paper notebooks as if it was an exam or office work. I watch shows in leisure time. it is kinda weird. Personally I also want to have both genders in the reaction shows because man oftentimes have a similar kind of reaction, you can see that a lot where when both gender are in the show things gets more variety
Yeah one of the worst things about this season is how Hughie was treated. Dude got r*ped multiple times and it's all for laughs. Not treating it with any seriousness was such a dumb writing decision. The writing for Hughie this season was just horrible all around.
@@paulosullivan3205it’s not about comparing. He got SA’d twice and the show gave him one moment to cry and say it’s not ok. Not exactly taking the subject matter seriously but it was a dude so it’s played for laughs.
Bro, the Shifter had Annie's BRAIN 🧠. She could read minds, could probably read Hughie's mind! Said stuff only they knew. You can't blame him much for that!
This finale was peak for the boys,homelander finally snapped and is calling the shots,shapeshifter is dead,ASHLEY TOOK COMPOUND V,noir and the deep duo,ryan killing grace,evil butcher finally in control AND KILLED NEUMAN,sister sage is back,sam and katie jump kimiko then SHE FINALLY TALKED and frenchie GETS KIDNAPPED,love sauasage whacking mm with his you know what,Cindy the bald psychic/telekinesis girl from season 1is back,That part where starlight activates her powers and flys off into the sky near the end was sooo badass,THEN SOILDER BOY AT THE END,This was perfect writing what a way to end a season,I knew A-train would survive but noone believed me,WHAT A SEASON FINALE STRAIGHT 🔥🔥FR 😂😂👏🏾.
how was butcher to blame? he was being very empathetic with ryan, mallory brought about her own death, she made ryan feel like a weapon when she started spouting about the "training to kill your father" stuff
This episode is prime reactions from Spidey, I reacted the same as him throughout the episode. "She hung her like a coat" and he was just laughing all episode
I’m surprised and confused that y’all were so quick to blame Butcher. He was actually handling the situation wonderfully, Grace got desperate and escalated it
Remembers normies, Mal was keeping him safe and normal, then she starts hating butcher because he let's homelander take him from her care- which then brings the weapon plan in full swing
After this I'm really starting to think either the writers hate Hughie or really hate Jack Quaid. Not only does he get sexually assaulted once and it's played for laughs but then he's basically raped/sexually assaulted 20 times, which is also kind of played as a joke, and the show kinda blames him for it.
Butcher tried his best to fight against his worse self. He did say he wanted him to go with Grace to be protected and thas what his mom wanted, but when Ryan said he wanted to go back to the tower Butcher literally said if you feel safest with Homelander thas where i want you to go... and Ryan stayed to play the game with Mallory looking at Butcher like wyd... and then the whole time she was talking he was saying chill and as Ryan was saying get out of my way Butcher was yelling in his weak voice "Grace!!" She thought what she wanted was more important than what Ryan wanted, i have loved Ryan's character this season. Being his own man, saying how he feels and calling out all the hypocritical bs and lame sh&t he sees... She literally threatened to keep him hostage and he can see thru the wall, she thought she was sneaking her hand to the button??!! Time is literally slowed down in xray for Ryan... when he said he'll be back she should had let him go. It was working. But at this point Butcher knows he's gonna die and he cant trust Ryan to not be Homelander 2.0 in the time he has left to do something about it so... burn it all... the writing is just elite, the shock value... the acting was great this episode. One of the best Boys episodes
Not them talking over Kimiko talking for the first time, and totally not billys fault with Ryan, he was handling it slowly but surely and grace fucked it up
Genuinely how is that Billy’s fault? He wasn’t forcing Ryan to choose. He told him if he wanted to choose to be with Homelander that he wouldn’t stop him. Am I missing something? Grace is the one who was pressing Ryan and forcing him to chose a path
That's a...weird take blaming Butcher when he was asking Mallory to stop. How can he be blamed for the actions of Grace Mallory? Did he make her push the button or withhold Ryan? How is it that he's guilty by association? Or is it just because it's Butcher?
How was Neuman the only hope we had left? Are you delusional? I honestly don’t think you guys have been paying attention. She was a villain. She was not going to help or be on our side, she just had no way out and wanted a deal that would benefit her, not us. Also, Butcher is the only one that actually cares about Ryan. How can you watch this episode and see anything else? Really strange 😂 Everything Butcher has done in this season was necessary and made full sense. They have the virus because of Butcher, meaning they now have the only way to take him out. There is a bit of good inside of Ryan, because of Butcher. Neuman was a high level threat that killed multiple innocent people. All it would take is Homelander to kidnap her daughter for her to be his weapon again. She had to be taken out. No deals. Atleast he didn’t kill her kid. Sometimes I honestly wonder if you guys can follow a simple story ffs.
i think butcher did nothing wrong in that scene with ryan, it was uncharacteristically, butcher who acted with patience and understanding, whereas mallory let herself be overcome with an uncharacteristic impatience and desperation
Okay i need a press conference from the normies present on the couch today , in which they need to address the issue and apologize to butcher . Mallory was the one to be blamed he was easing him into yhe situation but mallory rushed the kid and stopped him from leaving.😅
I think phase two that Sage was talking about is Butcher. She'd already corrupted Homelander (I know he was already corrupted, but she made sure to destroy the last sane braincell in his mind) now it's Butcher's turn, she's going to make them fight each other and create the biggest war between Superheroes, just like in the comics. Imagine Butcher with his new found abilities, Homelander, Soldier Boy and the rest of the superheroes fighting each other, each one of them fighting for personal gains and not for the people. it'll be Diabolical.
Y’all are welcome to y’all opinion but I’m sorry, IN NO WAY DID BUTCHER INVOLVE HIMSELF INTO REASON OF RYAN CRASHING OUT😭 butcher was the voice of reason advocating for Ryan to have that choice of what he sees as right and what’s best for him, where Grace’s trauma from the supe shit that it enabled her to be forceful and dump so many bombs on literally everything in one sitting. Not saying she didn’t have a right under the circumstances but also knowing the connection she made with Ryan as much as Butcher, she would sympathize and be patient with him😭
It’s straight up Grace fault or at least 90% her fault, she straight up told him 4 huge bombshells to him about his father and his entire existence. That was not butcher
How was any of that butchers fault?. he was handling the situation in a very calm manner and even gave Ryan where he could go back to Homelander or stay with him. Grace was the one dumping heavy information on him and making him feel like a caged lab subject. So what happened to Grace is Grace’s fault not butchers at all.
Butcher was not at fault here Mallory screwed it up he was easing into telling Ryan the truth Mallory just needed to shut up and let the kid think Butcher would've let the kid go Mallory messed up Butcher's only good choice so he was forced to make a Bargain with the Supe Cancer aka Negan to take out Homelander instead of Ryan Butcher was very against the idea he wouldn't force the kid to do it because of his promise to his wife I'm seeing a similarity from the comic on what Butcher is gonna do at the end of the series but we never know because its different from comic in general
“They are doing the same thing they did to homelander” by being honest with him? By comforting and playing with him? By trying to be genuine parental figures?
I agree with most of these comments how are yall blaming Butcher for ryan killing mallory when it was literally her fault for throwing all that on him at once & then ask for him to kill his dad. Butcher tried to deescalate the situation because he knew ryan would eventually come around. She might as well hav thrown herself into that wall instead
FINALE TIME!!!! Was this the grossest season? Where did it measure amongst the other seasons?
Poor Hughie, man.
you should react on banshee
I hope yall rewatch that Butcher and Mallory scene with Ryan so yall see you're taking the situation the wrong way and see that it was ALLLLLLLLLLLL Mallory's fault lol. NONE of what happened is on Butcher.
@@Thenormies For the Final season of The Boys I hope there's another Gen V The Boys crossover.
Tech knight party lol
Kimiko screaming "NO" as they took Frenchie away is heart-wrenching.
Just imagine her forcing the word out and having to experience losing *AGAIN* someone that she loved is really heartbreaking.
losing someone isn't what took her voice away but yes
And Frenchie couldn't even react to it.
@@DUBSandChubb I never implied that tho. I was just saying "just imagine" her forcing the word out "and" having to experience losing someone you love again because it is *heartbreaking.*
@@yang-xiao-long000 thats why i only clarified for anyone who MIGHTVE read that like i did, and also agreed with the rest with my “yes”
@@DUBSandChubb oh okay I understand 👍
Wasnt Butchers fault, it 100% went wrong because of Mallory. Butcher giving Ryan the option to leave or stay solely depending on how he feels showed that he trusted Ryan enough to make the right decision as long as he was actually allowed to choose his fate for himself. Ryan cant trust somebody that doesnt trust him, thats why he was so apprehensive when he realized what Mallory was implying. Dumping years of trauma onto a kid with superpowers then telling him he HAS to kill his dad in the span of 2 minutes would obviously evoke an emotional reaction. Ryan is a kid who has honestly been through alot, so it was obvious to Butcher that the best way to engage with Ryan was by showing mutual trust and forming a real bond through common interests. Butcher was actually being a real father in these moments despite the added motives. He was trying to guide Ryan slowly into forming his own opinion based on what he knows is right or wrong, thats why he was so proud when Ryan spoke up on the live broadcast with the puppets. He knew the lessons him and Becca instilled in Ryan were sinking in and he was realizing the reality of the situation. Trying to tell him you're going to gas him and lock him in a cage until he can kill his dad would obviously make him feel scared, betrayed, panicked, etc. Mallory really just ruined The Boys greatest potential asset smh.
the most stupid act that mallory pulled in this episode, I got my answer to "why mallory was not able to take down vought and homelander even after hunting them for decades"...
Hughie and Marvin trying to nod, laugh and smile their way out of a confrontation with the Shifter was A+
It was funny but at this point you'd think they'd be way more competent at shit like this
@@lightningmonky7674 understand their situation. it’s literally the coup d’état by supes in the US. i can’t even fathom the amount of anxiety they must’ve had when they understood a bulletproof mole with super-strength was locked down there with them.
@@lightningmonky7674being caught flat footed in that specific situation would be enough to unbalance just about anyone, I'd think
Not to mention hughie always been a nervous wreck about anything and mm literally suffers from multiple mental illnesses and a nervous tick😂
@@SuperGraynard youre both right I won't argue, hell I even thought the scene was funny, it's just that this is season 4 and while I love funny moments I also love seeing our protagonists be competent at their jobs as well is all, it would have been badass if they kept their cool and ended up tricking the trickster
I like how almost none of yall reacted to Kimiko finally speaking LOL.
I feel that was a moment SO MANY ppl were completely oblivious too.
Gotta be honest I didn't cop it, been whipping myself for my stupidity ever since
some of them were busy shipping kimiko and frenchie instead of watching lol
I rewound because I wanted to see if you could hear what the girl said to Frenchie, and noticed as the scene happened again. It's subtle while still right at your face. Very well done.
They placed it at a bad time, too much stuff happening for most people to keep up or react accordingly
I'm confused on how anyone would consider the ryan situation butcher's fault, mallory escalated the whole thing
Butcher wasn't in a hospital - where he should have been. He was in a containment station wired up to keep him alive long enough to get Ryan in there.
@@ColinPoole and how is that his fault? Was he not unconcious
@@starkillahx Did he ever act surprised at where he was or what was going on? Billy knew he was in a containment center to hold Ryan - if he didn't they would have filmed some exposition to show us he was surprised at anything that was going on. His plan all along was to be there and to grab Ryan - he texted Ryan to come see him, he knew where he was when he did that, and WHY he was there.
@@ColinPoole Ok he called ryan there, but throughout the entire conversation he was descalating things and trying to ease ryan into the conversation. Mallory dumped everything on ryan at once then tried to force him to stay, butcher even said to just let him take some time and go.
@@starkillahx You can give Butcher credit for realizing his mistake at the end but the problem we all have is that he made the mistake in the first place. He conspired with Mallory, set himself up in a secure location, lied to Ryan to get him to come...and when it all unravels he makes one reasonable choice. If that redeems him to you that means you probably have a bias in favor of him I believe. It's like a guy confessing to cheating and someone being like - why you still mad at him he confessed.
that shot of Ashley running from the meeting room while the camera focuses on the Atrain statue is so beautiful and might be my favourite shot of the episode and one of the best in the show. The simplicity of the shot telling us that A-Train made the decision to leave (and made a great decision) and offered to bring Ashley but she denied, and she now needs to leave but can’t so she has to resort to taking V is such great storytelling. All she had to do was go with the GOAT, A-Train.
AND when she was running, she RAN past the atrain statue
@@strangemage7134 uh yeah that's what he said lol
@@highkey4316 … I think I was high when writing that comment
Yeah, and I think the consequences of not taking up A-Train’s offer to leave with him will have her looking like an actual monster after taking compound V because, in episode seven, she said that it is so easy to become a monster around here, in Vought, and so she's paying up the consequences
i love that shot to and i feel like ppl keep saying oh well you should’ve left but forget that she was scared to leave. that bugs me lol
I don’t think enough people are making the parallel between Homelander and Sage. When she reveals she did it to “see if I could” Homelanders eerie violin theme played as she smiled, giggled and became excited about the opportunity.
I think her monologue to Vic about her gma told us her intentions, she just wants to watch everything & everyone burn / doesn’t give a F about anything
Sage is to Homelander as Lex is to Superman
Fun Fact: Hughie and Neuman are a real-life couple.
We know
Glad to see you caught up with the rest of us
Dude is so lucky
You can kind of tell a bit their chemistry even as friends in the show was so real. I seriously thought Neuman may have been a potential love interest in the series. Probably not, but the chemistry was that good.
@@sensaiuriah5440 I bet she's good with the hawk tuah😂
Starlight blasting off like that was pretty badass
way more badass flight takeoff stance than homelander goofily crossing his arms, thats for sure.
@@Zedd... hahaha facts he looks like he’s doing a breast stroke to the sky😂
@@BillsRule250 I can't unsee that now 🤣
Yeah I'm glad she's getting more access and control of her powers
@@faithfm1yea I think it was just a block, like in spider man 2 when he gets a web block for a bit
How they blaming Butcher for what happened with Ryan he was trying to take it slow and deescalate
Hell of a season finale...S4 was good but mainly character development season which is good, obviously now S5 being the final season needs to be a full plot season, especially also being only 8 episodes
S4 is flop let's be honest
this season was indeed a set up and could be seen as a part 1, but it was a full plot season. we lost all the hope, help, ideas, characters and even the whole crew is divided in the worst way possible. plot wise, this is insanely bad for the main cast, but great storytelling. the boys gets better and better each season.
@@masekyn5480 Idk if it gets better each season, but still quality seasons
I think season 4 is what season 2 was to season 3, its a season that is more about character development and introducing new characters, and season 5 will be the all grand all plot finale
@@ankaramesi6229no it's not
Looks like they’re actually going to go through with Butcher’s villain arc from the comics.. Season 5 is going to be wilddddd
The negotiating with Ryan was completely Mallory's fault tbh
Don't forget that newmen was bullet proof and even homelanders laser couldn't damage her but the man himself tear her apart so butcher got some power now 21:24
Yeah, even though Homelander probably wasn't going full blast it's clear that Butcher is now even stronger than he was on Temp V.
Homelander was just trying to prove a point. He could probably go all Ryan on her if he wanted to.
Honestly i think butcher was trying to convince ryan with love etc but mallory let her desperation get the better of her, cause he played connect 4 wanted to explain what homelander did slowy but mallory like hughie said left no mercy, also i jusf noticed this we see ashely take the v and start changing but thats it so we dont know if she has a insane power or what
I love how they are all sitting there wondering why Butcher is suddenly evil as if the previous scene didn't make it obviously clear he gave himself up to Kessler after Mallory screw up with Ryan
I’d like to see season 5 never give us our butcher again and he’s pure Kessler from here on out
@@bigpictureguys8415 i think that they will carry this ruthless butcher thing till the last episode in season 5 until when he finally comes against Ryan and stops because of Becca. Probably he will sacrifice himself. But its too soon for theories. I mean they kept almost every character's storyline open for season 5. how things will work between SB, HL, BB, and ryan....who will team up with whom! can't tell. But what I really want to see is that Butcher should take down homelander for god's sake. they have been teasing this for 4 seasons. so now if they don't give that to us, i will loose my mind, the only person I would like to be killer of HL is butcher, where he finally takes revenge for becca. Ryan killing HL or SB killing HL....i won't like that at all.
Just because you don’t like Butcher doesn’t make everything his fault
Nah, blaming Butcher is straight up dumb, I'm sorry. Grace ruined everything by info-dumping Ryan that hard & threatened to lock him up. What did she think was gonna happen? All that was 100% her fault.
The coolest moment highlighting Butcher with his parasitic symbiote. ''OI'' FUCKING INCREDIBLE
5:20 picture
7:54 outed
9:24 ryan
18:46 truth bomb
20:46 f it up
21:45 welcome
22:26 sage plan
26:12 post reaction discussion
33:30 create monsters
40:04 regret
49:20 v highschool
"3 episodes in a row, give this man a happy ending"
Cuts to S5, Hughie getting SA'ed in prison.
phase 2 is hughie getting raped every episode bravo kripke
See everyone’s problem with sage being the smartest person in the world is the assumption that the “smartest” person is a “good” person, because when ur the smartest things like good and bad don’t really matter all that does is can u actually apply ur smarts to real world applications. This is just a chest game between her and the rest of the world and she just took the strongest piece on the board
Totally agree. Smart never meant good, it's just infinitely clever. And not "just", either. She is a super complex villain and I love it
I mean I guess they havent watched anything related DC where Lex Luthor is considered the smartest person in the world and he is literally Superman’s archnemesis
It's more like cynicism than outright villainy.
It's very typical for intellectual types to become jaded and she'd explained that the one time she tried to do good she was laughed out of the room.
I don’t understand why people don’t get that mallariy and butcher were under a time constraint after the assaination attempt.
Look at these people. Being upset over a person's death who has killed hundreds of innocents. Butcher always wanted to kill her from the get go. And so did Hughie after finding her nature. Just because she a good mother and protective one she needs to be forgiven? This is what the show does best. Makes people question their allegiance again and again.
Whoawhoawhoa. Billy didn't ruin things with Ryan, Mallory did by escalating too fast. The literal only thing they could do is appeal to Ryan in the first place so they had to talk eventually. They were also on a time limit.
@Thenormies idk how you guys came to the conclusion that Butcher messed things up with Ryan. His approach worked until Mallory fucked it up. You guys have to be sane.😂
Aren't we forgetting someone? Marie Moreau.
Neuman is dead, but Marie is very much alive.
Marie will probably team up with the boys
Who tf is marie
@@krustigkostlich2364main character from Gen V
@@itsnick5082 4 of them , they are gonna kick some ass
@@itsnick5082 should i watch that?
I predict that Starlight is gonna try and find A-Train, also Sam and Cate’s aura is crazy , Sam really no diffed kimiko and restrained her like a toddler
I wonder what Ashley's powers are gonna be. Wouldn't be surprised if she got Green Lantern's powers and ended up giving Sam hell or throwing a rhinoceros construct at him
Well Kimiko is The Boys version of Deadpool and Sam is the show version of the Hulk. Kimiko has the normal super strenght that all supers posses but Sam has to be the phsically strongest super in the show after Soldier Boy,Homelander and Ryan.
@@PlanetCookie3 well when she was mutating it looked kinda targeted at her head so it might be some MEGAMIND type of shit for all we know lol
@@Catarssis347 that’s overestimating Sam. He has the same strength level as Blockbuster or Thing from Marvel. If a Supe with Harry Leland’s powers came along and increased Sam’s mass by 100,000lbs, not only will he pinned to the floor but he’ll sink underneath it. Especially to Homelander.
Now if we get a Supe with Sebastian Shaw’s powers, oh man…. I doubt Homelander alone would stop him. He’ll need Soldier Boy’s, Butcher’s, Sam’s, and A-Train’s help to overload him
@@kaithesamurai5943 those are spasms and side effects of the drug. Doesn’t necessarily mean that her head will have some head powers. She could end up having Emma Frost’s telepathy and diamond skin or Dracula’s vampire powers
It’s wild to me how many people online were defending Annie saying she was “correct” to get mad at, and blame, Hughie for being r*p*d. And again correct for “forgiving” him by telling him to shut up and get tested. Wild wild wild. The victim blaming was astounding.
I love how basically everyone that watches this show didn’t realize Kimiko was speaking until her 3rd scream because of all the crazy shit going on
Bro I thought I was hearing shi 💀
This being blamed on Butcher is insane to me, he was handling that situation perfectly. The only thing I blame Butcher for is not seeing how Mallory could’ve fucked that up.
Classic Normies, making the assumptions thinking its Billy's fault. Lol
I think they’ll be ok
12:25 “swing on her” I think Chris forgot that Shapeshifter is a Supe and Hughie is human 💀
This wasn’t butchers fault at all. Butcher was coming at this from a place of kindness. Now he’s trying to clean up everyone’s messes. Hughie’s, Mallory’s, Annie’s , and everyone’s at this point
"Billy you did this" When a minute earlier he was telling her to wait💀
Need a public apology for the butcher blaming
Grace shouldn't have dumped all that on Ryan, she didnt listen to Butcher and just riled ryan up. This is Grace's fault.
He also did double down by saying that Ryan's gotta kill his father and that he'd train him
When annie arrived at the bunker i was like how'd she get there so fast
😂 exactly.
Script magic
Yeah, if her powers weren't working, then she couldn't have flown there. Also, if she's been prisoner for 10 days, how did she even know where the bunker was located?
@@NyrufaThe bunker location Is explained. She traked Hugie phone
@doristarlungeanu5698 so she magically a It wizard with extensive ios knowledge never before seen on the show😂. There's plot armor and whatever tf is this.
@@Artistofprocedureusing find my iPhone isn’t as difficult as you’re making it out to be.
Them instantly blaming Billy proves how inept they are seeing whats literally right in front of them. "Normies" couldn't be more spot on to describe this couch full of simple minded people.
This is why I prefer Blind Wave.
@@TheeKorovaMilkBar lol I just checked. I don't want to watch people sitting on tables with paper notebooks as if it was an exam or office work. I watch shows in leisure time. it is kinda weird. Personally I also want to have both genders in the reaction shows because man oftentimes have a similar kind of reaction, you can see that a lot where when both gender are in the show things gets more variety
Jesus, calm down it's just a TV show lol
Yeah one of the worst things about this season is how Hughie was treated. Dude got r*ped multiple times and it's all for laughs. Not treating it with any seriousness was such a dumb writing decision. The writing for Hughie this season was just horrible all around.
In fairness he got his feet tickled and had to sit on a cake not half as bad as Starlight in season 1
@@paulosullivan3205it’s not about comparing.
He got SA’d twice and the show gave him one moment to cry and say it’s not ok.
Not exactly taking the subject matter seriously but it was a dude so it’s played for laughs.
The one good thing I can point out of this episode is that is that at least A train is still alive when everyone keep saying he gonna die this season
HOW WAS THIS BUTCHERS FAULT?????!!!!!????
Bro, the Shifter had Annie's BRAIN 🧠. She could read minds, could probably read Hughie's mind! Said stuff only they knew. You can't blame him much for that!
The fact that starlight isn’t more considerate of the fact that he got raped is fucking pissing me off
This finale was peak for the boys,homelander finally snapped and is calling the shots,shapeshifter is dead,ASHLEY TOOK COMPOUND V,noir and the deep duo,ryan killing grace,evil butcher finally in control AND KILLED NEUMAN,sister sage is back,sam and katie jump kimiko then SHE FINALLY TALKED and frenchie GETS KIDNAPPED,love sauasage whacking mm with his you know what,Cindy the bald psychic/telekinesis girl from season 1is back,That part where starlight activates her powers and flys off into the sky near the end was sooo badass,THEN SOILDER BOY AT THE END,This was perfect writing what a way to end a season,I knew A-train would survive but noone believed me,WHAT A SEASON FINALE STRAIGHT 🔥🔥FR 😂😂👏🏾.
Yes! Absolutely epic! Evil Butcher! So glad someone caught that
They definitely set up a dark vibe for the final season with that Nirvana song
I love and hate this season for a lot of reasons, but Kimiko finally speaking will forever break my heart
Next Season, we’re gonna have to look to A-train, Butcher, and Starlight
Wild Cards: Ashley, Ryan and Gen V characters
Other:stan edgar
Also the gen v kids will wanna help the boys
Soldier boy is another wild card
So the kid murders someone and yall blame the person who got killed. He has killed two ppl and you just ignore it
the girl cosplaying starlight would have fucking nailed it if she was cosplaying neuman instead 😭
Still trying to understand how is grace getting killed Butcher's fault?
I believe it's bc if Butcher went along with the first plan; the tumor/his dark side's plan this wouldn't have happened.
The original title for this episode was 'Assassination Run', by the way.
how was butcher to blame? he was being very empathetic with ryan, mallory brought about her own death, she made ryan feel like a weapon when she started spouting about the "training to kill your father" stuff
Amazing. Mallory was the one who was escalating the whole situation, yet you guys put all the blame on Butcher lol
This episode is prime reactions from Spidey, I reacted the same as him throughout the episode. "She hung her like a coat" and he was just laughing all episode
I’m surprised and confused that y’all were so quick to blame Butcher. He was actually handling the situation wonderfully, Grace got desperate and escalated it
Remembers normies, Mal was keeping him safe and normal, then she starts hating butcher because he let's homelander take him from her care- which then brings the weapon plan in full swing
I was shocked to see butcher's powers and Kimiko is talking.
After this I'm really starting to think either the writers hate Hughie or really hate Jack Quaid. Not only does he get sexually assaulted once and it's played for laughs but then he's basically raped/sexually assaulted 20 times, which is also kind of played as a joke, and the show kinda blames him for it.
A couch of five people and they all share a single braincell that isnt even there lmao 😂😂 dam Normies blaming the wrong person
And now, personality wise: THATS COMIC BOOK BUTCHER
Why does the girl in the middle look like Victoria Neuman LOL
You all saying Billy did that but that was on Mallory. Butcher was trying to ease hime into it and tell it to him in a better way.
Is Navi wearing the exact same Starlight outfit that Rana wore in the season 3 finale?
Probably; I mean, they're both the skinniest ones on the channel
Poor Hughie. The dude has been sexually abused and raped but then gets blamed for it.
Butcher tried his best to fight against his worse self. He did say he wanted him to go with Grace to be protected and thas what his mom wanted, but when Ryan said he wanted to go back to the tower Butcher literally said if you feel safest with Homelander thas where i want you to go... and Ryan stayed to play the game with Mallory looking at Butcher like wyd... and then the whole time she was talking he was saying chill and as Ryan was saying get out of my way Butcher was yelling in his weak voice "Grace!!" She thought what she wanted was more important than what Ryan wanted, i have loved Ryan's character this season. Being his own man, saying how he feels and calling out all the hypocritical bs and lame sh&t he sees... She literally threatened to keep him hostage and he can see thru the wall, she thought she was sneaking her hand to the button??!! Time is literally slowed down in xray for Ryan... when he said he'll be back she should had let him go. It was working. But at this point Butcher knows he's gonna die and he cant trust Ryan to not be Homelander 2.0 in the time he has left to do something about it so... burn it all... the writing is just elite, the shock value... the acting was great this episode. One of the best Boys episodes
Yall are blaming Grace’s fuck up on Butcher? Insane
Not them talking over Kimiko talking for the first time, and totally not billys fault with Ryan, he was handling it slowly but surely and grace fucked it up
Genuinely how is that Billy’s fault? He wasn’t forcing Ryan to choose. He told him if he wanted to choose to be with Homelander that he wouldn’t stop him. Am I missing something? Grace is the one who was pressing Ryan and forcing him to chose a path
Nice cosplay, but is that the real Navilight or the shifter?
Real
That's a...weird take blaming Butcher when he was asking Mallory to stop. How can he be blamed for the actions of Grace Mallory? Did he make her push the button or withhold Ryan? How is it that he's guilty by association? Or is it just because it's Butcher?
why tf u guys hating and blaming butcher ? that was perfect
Butcher stood on business no Deals 😂
How was Neuman the only hope we had left? Are you delusional?
I honestly don’t think you guys have been paying attention.
She was a villain. She was not going to help or be on our side, she just had no way out and wanted a deal that would benefit her, not us.
Also, Butcher is the only one that actually cares about Ryan. How can you watch this episode and see anything else? Really strange 😂
Everything Butcher has done in this season was necessary and made full sense.
They have the virus because of Butcher, meaning they now have the only way to take him out.
There is a bit of good inside of Ryan, because of Butcher.
Neuman was a high level threat that killed multiple innocent people.
All it would take is Homelander to kidnap her daughter for her to be his weapon again. She had to be taken out. No deals.
Atleast he didn’t kill her kid.
Sometimes I honestly wonder if you guys can follow a simple story ffs.
20:00 what?? Y'all are fucking joking right? Hilarity 😂 Butcher tried easing him into it
Neuman was never to be trusted tbh, butcher did the right thing. People forgetting all the heinous stuff she did in season 2 lol
i think butcher did nothing wrong in that scene with ryan, it was uncharacteristically, butcher who acted with patience and understanding, whereas mallory let herself be overcome with an uncharacteristic impatience and desperation
Hopefully Starlight finds A-Train and Maeve to form a team to save The Boys.
Butcher was saying NO he did not want Grace to drop all those truth bombs on Ryan!!!
The Butcher hate and blaming him is so damn dumb 🤦🏻♂️
Wonder if Sage is actually working with Maev. Looked like her notepad had her sticker on it.
Okay i need a press conference from the normies present on the couch today , in which they need to address the issue and apologize to butcher . Mallory was the one to be blamed he was easing him into yhe situation but mallory rushed the kid and stopped him from leaving.😅
Billie did this? Last time I checked he was screaming at grace to stop while her goofy self went diving for the big red button like the ccp
I think phase two that Sage was talking about is Butcher.
She'd already corrupted Homelander (I know he was already corrupted, but she made sure to destroy the last sane braincell in his mind)
now it's Butcher's turn, she's going to make them fight each other and create the biggest war between Superheroes, just like in the comics.
Imagine Butcher with his new found abilities, Homelander, Soldier Boy and the rest of the superheroes fighting each other, each one of them fighting for personal gains and not for the people.
it'll be Diabolical.
I like how in every single reaction to this episode everyone completely overlooks kamikos ability to talk lol
They acknowledged it 🤷🏼♂️
Y’all are welcome to y’all opinion but I’m sorry, IN NO WAY DID BUTCHER INVOLVE HIMSELF INTO REASON OF RYAN CRASHING OUT😭 butcher was the voice of reason advocating for Ryan to have that choice of what he sees as right and what’s best for him, where Grace’s trauma from the supe shit that it enabled her to be forceful and dump so many bombs on literally everything in one sitting. Not saying she didn’t have a right under the circumstances but also knowing the connection she made with Ryan as much as Butcher, she would sympathize and be patient with him😭
It’s straight up Grace fault or at least 90% her fault, she straight up told him 4 huge bombshells to him about his father and his entire existence. That was not butcher
LET'S GO A-TRAIN
"butcher you did this" Oh shut up, no he didn't
How was any of that butchers fault?. he was handling the situation in a very calm manner and even gave Ryan where he could go back to Homelander or stay with him. Grace was the one dumping heavy information on him and making him feel like a caged lab subject. So what happened to Grace is Grace’s fault not butchers at all.
Lmao that zoom in to Suraj tummy noise was a good chuckle 😂
Butcher was not at fault here Mallory screwed it up he was easing into telling Ryan the truth Mallory just needed to shut up and let the kid think Butcher would've let the kid go Mallory messed up Butcher's only good choice so he was forced to make a Bargain with the Supe Cancer aka Negan to take out Homelander instead of Ryan Butcher was very against the idea he wouldn't force the kid to do it because of his promise to his wife I'm seeing a similarity from the comic on what Butcher is gonna do at the end of the series but we never know because its different from comic in general
Mallory f'd up more than billy. she was pressing to hard
The fuck are the guys blaming Billy for? He's not the one rushing a bunch of information to Ryan all at once.
That title is very misleading, this ep isn't even in the top 10 most brutal eps.
“They are doing the same thing they did to homelander” by being honest with him? By comforting and playing with him? By trying to be genuine parental figures?
......they also ONCE AGAIN lied to him
They definitely didn’t do the exact same thing but it’s close enough for the parallel to be fair.
how did they have like almost zero reaction to kimiko talking ? , that was one of the most long anticipated aand heartbreaking scenes seen ever !
I agree with most of these comments how are yall blaming Butcher for ryan killing mallory when it was literally her fault for throwing all that on him at once & then ask for him to kill his dad. Butcher tried to deescalate the situation because he knew ryan would eventually come around. She might as well hav thrown herself into that wall instead
This whole couch is so fucking clueless. How tf was that Billy’s fault? 🤣🤣🤣