Why Qui-Gon Said the Jedi Temple Should Be Moved Off of Coruscant - Star Wars Explained
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“It wasn’t being called a coward that bothered me, it was being called a great warrior “…. Damn, that hits deep.
When you think of all the blood on his hands its hard to be mad at Maul. Just gang violence at that point
It takes a lot to put Yoda at a loss for words! 😂
@@drkushajagadeesh6347 - Even though he turned the Jedi into soldiers at the drop of a hat because that was what the Republic (seemingly) wanted from them. Thus emphasizing how out of touch Yoda really was.
@@drkushajagadeesh6347cause he knew Qui-Gon was right but couldn’t, or just wouldn’t admit it. So he just sits there like uhhh.. Use the force and meditate on it. See ya.
Yoda was right about one thing. "When questions you have. The force you must seek out"
Once again we see that Master Qui-Gon Jinn is the Jedi master that literally was the key to it all in the end.
Of course he was! Why do you think the Sith feared him?!
Gui-Gin was absolutely right. Had the Jedi listen to him the order would’ve likely continued to flourish after order 66.
Possibly, the Jedi had largely lost thier way though. I mean Darth Sidious came into power as a sith and asked for the death of the Jedi and no one batted an eye for the most part. I think it'd of still happened but might not of been as hugely successful. A lot more could of ended up in hiding.
@@hopelessdecoy - True. The Jedi were too insular of a group, mostly known for being the Republic's enforcers rather than monks or priests. Most people, if they believed in the Force at all, likely saw it as just psychic powers with no spiritual aspect. So it was easy for Palpatine to paint the Jedi as untrustworthy superpowered people who had been trying to usurp the government and the military.
@@daniels7907 They literally went from law enforcement to generals in the military for some reason.......I'd say they did usurp a lot of power. That's why everyone was happy to get rid of them.
@@MrBottlecapBill - Also true. Or at least that was how it would look to the general public, and soon to the Senate. Which was Palpatine's plan all along. He would go on to subtly shift the blame for the Clone Wars onto the Jedi, an allegation that the Jedi were not PR savvy enough to realize the extent to which the public and politicians would believe it. But when every Jedi Knight and Master was a *general,* and even Padwans were commanders, it *did* look a lot like they were trying to subvert and control the Grand Army of the Republic, and by extension, eventually the Republic itself.
Imagine what would have happened if only one JUST ONE jedi council member had listened to Qui Gon Jinn's any idea about the force or future of the jedi and the republic
Than it would lead to disputes within the Jedi Council with some of the members believing Anakin to be the chosen one while the rest of the council would have doubts.
@@UltimateSpider1385 - The Council *needed* to have some disputes. Centuries of effort on Yoda's part had resulted in a Council that was basically a choir singing the same tune. This is what made them so easy for Palpatine to manipulate. He really only needed to anticipate how Yoda would react to something, because odds were the Council would follow Yoda's policies. Yoda had doubts about Anakin and the prophecy, and so he allowed his sidekick Mace Windu to antagonize Anakin. Thus pushing him right into Palpatine's "friendship" and "mentoring". Likewise, the Council was united in appeasing the Republic, leading them to act in support of Palpatine's plans because the Senate was doing so.
Yoda did. Kinda..
@@teedepefanio4974 The more I go down the rabbit hole in to lore and starwars in general...the more I start to cast doubt on revering Yoda like I once did. His failures were catastrophic.
He was one of the greatest characters ever written and yet we saw so little of him!
They should do a series or movies about him
No please Disney don’t go near Qui Gon
I wish we had gotten a qui gon movie before Disney took over.
@@justindunlap1235 Same
@@justindunlap1235 In a perfect world that is what we would have
I always felt that the Jedi Order being based on Coruscant was indeed a mistake. Not only spiritually, but strategically as well. I always felt that the Jedi should have had their main base on a world not listed on any maps, known only to a few chosen and trusted outsiders. I think the biggest problem though, was how the Jedi's activities and beliefs changed after Exar Kun's attack on Ossus. The lessons of the Mandalorian Wars, Revan's intervention in the Mandalorian Wars, and the later Hyperspace Wars during SWTOR should have taught the Jedi that they needed to be proactive, not reactive.
The ban on Jedi having families was also a problem, as they believed that purging their emotions would lead to balance, which does not. The fact that they took in young Force-sensitive children to train, basically like growing plants in a greenhouse, left many unprepared when they were sent out into the galaxy for their Padawan training. Because of being sheltered like that, they were unprepared for the emotions that they experienced. This was further exacerbated by the dogmatic rules and regulations of the Jedi Order, which were actually contradictory in so many ways.
I haven't read too much of the EU and what not, but I feel that Luke should probably model his new Jedi Order more on the Je'dai, the predecessors to the Jedi. I also feel like he should take his new Jedi Order more towards the center between the Light and Dark sides of the Force in order to truly achieve balance.
Well considering that the temple was on a former sith temple you can see that it helped the dark side blind the jedi to the true dark lord of the sith
Personally, I don't mind the thought that the Temple on Coruscant being the main hub for the Jedi as long as there are plenty of other temples for the Jedi to live and stay out in the Galaxy.
It still would have been better if the Temple on Coruscant were nothing more than a branch office and for the various Councils to be based elsewhere. Just look back at TPM. The Council was unwilling to rally their Jedi to go save Naboo purely because the Senate was gridlocked and couldn't decide what to do, so likewise the Jedi did nothing. Even Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's presence in Padme's entourage was really more about trying to lure Darth Maul into the open than it was about liberating Naboo.
It sent the wrong message to everyone that almost all the Jedi are at the core of the galaxy and the incredibly corrupt republic
That temple is a darkside force nexus thats why it was built there. But thats legends
@@mpdragon33 - The Jedi have this thing about Dark Side undergrounds near where they teach.
@@daniels7907 😂 exactly
Yoda is like that old person that you go to to get pratical advice or insight about a problem, and they just say "pray about it". 😂
Sounds like a High school counselor 😂 or drunk gym teacher. 😅
Very much the truth!
Ha! I guess it makes more sense in a universe where the force seems to provably exist for force wielders, but yeah, they have proved time and time again that the force is no substitute for some therapy!
If qui-gon had survived or at least listened too things would of been so much better for the galaxy
I totally agree with Qui-Gon. The Jedi should've chosen another place for their main temple. Oc-Tu, or Lothal would've been great alternative choices.
Lothal is fine
@@DLR1997---IKR
Lothal would have been an excellent choice. It wasn't over-developed, and therefore not economically or politically powerful like the ecumenopoli in the Core. It had a strong connection to the Force. The Jedi wouldn't even need to place their Temple in the city, thus creating a psychological separation between the Order and the local government.
@@daniels7907---Good point
Yes again a brilliant episode ! I would love here about Luke developing his new Jedi order not based on where New republic resided. Again your concept on Star Wars lore is second to none. 👍👍
I've always loved the relationship between Yoda and Qui-Gon. They disagree and even argue on multiple points, but maintain respect and even friendship
4:15 starting line for a reference to Darth Bane quote. "I've worked in the mines for years. I still owe Oro enough credits to fill a freighter but i dont see any jedi coming to rescue me from that bit of injustice."
I believe that he was quite correct. As (At least by legends, I don't know if this had been countermanded by current cannon) the temple on Coruscant WAS actually the seat of the council as a whole during the Mandalorian wars. Mitra Surik activated her lightsaber and plunged it into a decorative statue outside the council chambers in protest after confronting the council for their inaction during the war and their stance of exile toward many of those that left to serve. (If memory serves for the latter) That or great demotion or negative sight by the greater order. Which ultimately drove many Jedi to return to Revan and Malak.
That said, the reasons for the Jedi to close off access to the archives without special request and authorization were non existent. The destruction of Ossus was a terrible loss and indeed likely could have been prevented by a larger presence on the planet. At the same time, a simple solution that would have had a balance between "Old" tradition rather than over correction and pointless alterations would have been a rotation of order members of a certain number to be a quick reaction force. As well as having said Jedi feel a connection to the deep force that before Coruscant, the grand temple(s) had been placed over. Ossus was also a planet that bounced back relatively quickly that could have been re-inhabited and rebuilt on. Having a temple on Coruscant itself wasn't a bad thing. Having it be the home of the order was the biggest mistake. At the time of the Madalorian wars, the number of Jedi was far larger than just about any other time in galactic history. But at the same time were also not tied in allegiance to the republic either. It wasn't until after the very first purge and the rebuilding the order that a political connection was made with the republic. At which point the order closed in further on itself until only sects dismissed by the council remained at temples in the wider galaxy.
Qui-gon Jinn was Absolutely Right About Almost Everything! If the Jedi had a Lick of Sense they would have Listened to Him! But They Didn't so They Don't.
Qui-Gon was completely right. Politicians interfered too much with Jedi. They should move the Temple elsewhere. They could leave a Temple on Coruscant too. Order 66 would not be so devastating and majority of the Order would survive. Surviving Jedi from the Temple and from the Temple elsewhere could fight the Sith and clone troopers. Sounds very reasonable and correct. Qui-Gon was completely right. May the Force be with you too. Have amazing day too😊
Qui-gon would have made an excellent council member
The practice of the Ossus temple preserved the Jedi Order, and in them much of it's knowledge, at the cost of a building few of them called home. Had they expanded on that practice, creating more temples with copies of their remaining literature, they would have been prepared to endure almost any threat. Choosing to instead focus on the violent defence of an otherwise meaningless building was a grave mistake... a betrayal of the Jedi and their ancestors that cost them dearly.
Even if you ignore the legends of the Courascant temple being built on a major Dark Side nexus.
"The only reason Maul killed me is because I was getting tired carrying all these W's."
----Qui-Gon Gin & Juice
Can we get a lore video on the parwan species?🙏❤️
I can see the tactical merit; having the entirety of the order in one location renders it vulnerable.
This can make a great idea for a What if story. What if Yoda decided to step down from the order and convinced Qui gon to take over as grandmaster?
Qui-Gon was right. This is why jorus c'baoth wanted Outbound Flight.
The Jedi are confused as to their role in the wider galaxy; they seek altruistic values, yet like the Sith want power. They don't want to govern/rule, they want to be at the nexus of power and this is why Yoda failed. It's an off-the-cuff care-factor remark to tell Qui-Gon to speak to the Force, as the Jedi Council could care less for his opinion. Proof they'd stopped listening to the Force.
Is it any wonder that the Force produced a vision of the 'chosen one' who'll bring balance? That Qui-Gon who sought balance, was the one to find the 'chosen one'?
2:55, "That shit to yourself, you should keep"
Qui Gon shutting down Yoda with facts and logic, what a chad
Your intro always makes me feel like I've just entered the great library in the Jedi temple on Coruscant! 😍 Of course, me being me, I feel more like a Sith who just broke into the Jedi temple to raid their intel but, hey, to each his own! 🤣
Excellent presentation
Yes. Full video on the Luke Skywalker not wanting to build on Coruscant. Video on Ossus as well.
This is why he was one of the best jedi period and why Sidius was so afraid of him.
Yoda is like an old US senator he won’t change with the times. Blinded by the old ways he is!
The Jedi Order should not be so centralized. They should follow the example of the map of Tython, the home of not just the Jedi, but their precursor the Je'daii. Point being, they should return to the Je'daii philosophy (true balance) and the Watchmen era of the Order (spread out so they can respond to where they are needed quickly).
Would the Jedi Temple Database on Tython Be one of the Mostly Intact Respositories Of Ancient Jedi Knowledge Assuming Palpatine Didn't Find a Way to Destroy Tython
Oh yeah Qui-Gon was definitely right about THIS as well! The Jedi order back then should've never been based on Coruscant which was the city of the republic cause their damn politics are exactly what corrupted the Jedi and made them flawed in the first place. See Yoda and the others should've listened to Qui-Gon about a lot of things back then and if they had things would've turned out different and a whole lot better too.
The Jedi need to be in touch with the politics throughout the Galaxy so they need a presence in the capital. But it's not the only place they should have a presence. They need to be in touch with rim worlds as well!
By centering their temple in the heart of the planet, they cemented their core attachment to a place and idea-opening the order to the dark side
*-The Jedi, moving on to Tython-*
"But why is the planet upset! We are in balance!"
Je'daii: "spend time in meditation on Bogan. Then you will know.
Qui Gon was right about not having it on coruscant.
They should have had two main temples, one like the one you mentioned on Osis and should be a library/public face of the order, and then a secret main temple on Tanalor
To be fair, while you can say it's not a good way for them, they were in an impossible situation back when the decision was made to make Coruscant their official home. Having been chased off of two established planets already and their weakness of being spread out understood, it was a logical decision to consolidate some of that power and ally with an institution that, by their definition, served the interests of the Force.
Their mistake was perhaps that after the order grew to its peak, they didn't establish other temples on other, more distant worlds to facilitate further growth and create an efficient system that allowed the jedi to spread out and reach far but not be weak to direct attacks.
I AGREE 👍 💯 WITH MASTER QUI GON JIN !!
Yet another reason to think Qui-Gon would've been the ideal Master to train Anakin. He wasn't afraid to question the dictrine abd entrenched views of the Council. No doubt that rubbed some the wrong way but Qui-Gon was always guided by what he saw as best for the Order abd the galaxy as a whole.
There should be atleast one main temple in each section of the galaxy on in the deep core and one in the core and one in the outer rim
It should have been moved off world closer to the outer rim planets but not to close and only a small temple should have been located on coruscant for communication with the main temple.
Qui-Gon was correct, again.
Qui-Gon was right Grey Jedi is the way of the force and the mother of evil has to have a weakness for she is the reason for the republic and control of the outter realm.
After Episode 6 Anakin, Obi-wan and Yoda will definitely listen to Qui-gon Jinn as a force ghost, Luke and Leia will listen if given a chance to interact, Dooku will be proud for Qui-gon and Obi-wan(Ben) It is really needed for them(the jedi who didn't listen to the force much) to refocus thier efforts to listen to the force, or open-up to thier natural feelings, the republic classic era is completed.
Maybe, a stationary temple wasn't the answer. I think that an interstellar ship converted into a Jedi Temple would have worked better. That way they would not have been thought of as dogs of the Senate. They respond in Force to a large problem. Imagine the blockade of Naboo. Now, imagine that blockade with a huge Jedi Temple parked alongside a siege ship...lol. See a difference.
They did have a mobile Academy Ship back in the day - the Chu'unthor. If memory serves, it crashed on Dathomir about 300 years before the Rebellion, and Yoda entrusted one of the primary holocrons from the ship to the Witches of Dathomir (the Singing Mountain Clan iirc) to be held for a prophesised future Jedi, who turned out to be Luke. The 2008 Clone Wars cartoon did not explicitly retcon this, but made it less likely by only depicting Nightsisters (and Nightbrothers) on Dathomir with no mention of the 5 or 6 light-side Clans of Witches, and I have no idea whether Disney would bring it back
Great video!
Qui-Gon was right on so many things. The council was so blinded.
What a great lesson the Jedi leadership are on the dangers of centralized power
I do agree that the temple needed to be moved because that nexus was a problem but one planet that comes to mind to relocate the jedi temple to would have been Odessen.
They should have been on a planet with a powerful light side nexus.
Let Qui-Gons be Bye-gons!
Force Relocation
the temple on coruscant was built on top of a sith temple not to mention that the blade of exur kun was buried deep within the bowels of the vault not even yoda would go near it because it emitted so much dark side energy so moving would have been wise but the arrogance of the jedi knows no bounds unfortunately and that was their downfall
Qui Gun seems to always be right in his assessments.
I agree
If only they knew that they built the Jedi temple above an ancient Sith temple.
Do a video about Luke’s New Jedi order in Legends and how his is better than the prequel Jedi order
I'll assume you mean the Legends version. The canon version crashed and burned because of Luke's inability to handle his nephew.
@@daniels7907 yes legends version
The temple was built on a dark side nexus which probably made Sidious more powerful and corrupted a lot of Jedi like Dooku. Its only when Dooku is awarded master that he spends most of his time in the vault with a lot of Sith holocrons. After that he met Sidious and showed him how blind the Jedi were because he's been operating both sides of the war right under the nose of the Jedi. I can see why Dooku turned after learning so much about the Sith from the holocrons and seeing how foolish and weak the Jedi were, allowing the war consume them and not being able to sense one of the most powerful Sith Lords even when they were in the same room. With his decorations in his office it should have been obvious.
But it was before that a light side vergence another Stupendous Wave video ruclips.net/video/CZ1fWCpEBm4/видео.html so it was light then dark
@@DARKMalice9000 you need to check more accurate lore. Try watching the only real Star Wars channel, Star Wars Theory has 3.3 plus million followers. Theory said it's built on a dark side nexus so it is. I watch stupendous wave sometimes but a lot of there content is untrue.
@@martykuypers8608 I watch them as well
What about the fact that Corestant was nexus of dark force energy. These Dark force planets hid and or clouded the force. Dulling the senses and connection to the living force. Dagoba and Tatooien are examples of dark nexus planets being able to mask presence.
Don't forget Dathomir and Kashyyyk
The jedi had to end !!!!!
They were a threat to peace and stability .
Hey guys, from Star Wars fan to Star Wars fans, tell me do you believe Anakin Skywalker could’ve reached his true full potential on these three options, one he went to the wellspring of life and ahch to the birthplace of the midichlorians and the first Jedi Temple option two he stayed on Mortis like the father said, or lastly option three he was trained by the force itself, his real and true creator father tell me guys
I agree with Qui Gon, tibetan Monks are in the mountains or jungle deep away from cities.. not in the capital city. maybe if the temple wasnt in the heart of the planet,like maybe another oart of the planet where theres not a lot of civilians n regular ppl. N wasnt the there a sith temple on the very griund the templ was built over?? Bad move,the temple didn't purify the dark in that area
The jedi temple on corusant is next to an ancient sith temple... to which they coudn't purge it out.
Do you think Ezra will use the world between worlds to retcon the canon timeline and save us from the sequel trilogy?
I hope so.😮
No...Disney doesn't have that much imagination. They are too Christian-like to have any original ideas...ninja!
❤ know the power of the Dark Side!
wasnt the jedi temple built over a sith temple or is that no longer cannon? i thought that was the reason it was on corrursaunt to begin with. to try and change the force nexus that was there to the light side?
It was destriyed when the Sith bombed into nothing along with the Jedi temple built over it, during the sacking of Courascant
The Old Republic Jedi made the right move to move back to Tython after the Sith Empire invaded Coruscant.
Again Yoda proving what a complete failure of a grandmaster he ultimately was
The man was in the right, that does not mean he is in the popular.
Lol move the temple to the Holy City of Jedha just in time for the Death Star Test
Hilariously, that didn't happen until nearly two decades after Order 66, when the Jedi were long gone from Jedha and all their stuff there belonged to the Empire.
them jedi mfs was diggin the luxury lofts too much couldnt leave that city life
How about the fact that the "jedi temple" isn't owned by the jedi only the front door, and a few areas inside.
Anakin was RIGHT the Jedi were evil bkuz they let politics corrupt them, Qui Gon would say the same
If this were Dungeons & Dragons then I would say that the Jedi Order had become Lawful Neutral in alignment. They had stopped serving Good in favor of Law. They were often tricked into supporting Evil because it happened to hold Lawful power in the Senate.
Jedi definitely lost their way
I'd hate to say it, but more and more, it does seem like from a certain point of view, the Jedi 'are' evil. Stoic dogma and blindness seems to be to core issues.
Heck Yeah!
He’s right.
I don't think jedi should spend much time in temples. I think the best Jedi were like Janan, Ezra and other "Boken Jedi"
Please I would love Luke's ideas for the new Jedi Order. That would be awesome 👌
Can we a video abourt luke's jedi order not moveing back to Coruscant.
Naboo or Alderaan would have been better choices as the Jedi would be closer to the people instead of the politics of the galaxy.
Show Us The Rest Of Luke's Jedi Temple Story
The Jedi should have moved to Gallifery first. Then to a tropical paradise planet 100,000 light years away from the Repuplic Galaxy yes the Jedi would have served in the time war. And had battles with the Cybermen,Daleks etc,
they were too accessible it deff created a bias
Qui Gon was too OP in canon and had to be ignored by everyone to make it fair
Video on Luke please 🙏
I’d probably have moved the temple to Kashyyykk
It wasn't a good idea to build on top of a sith temple/shrine to begin with 🤦🏻😂
Gin is king!
Also im pretty sure Qui came from Coruscant.
The temple should be on dagaba
Long Live the Empire.
Day 367 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Just so you know, the only reason I didn't click the like button on this video, is that it's currently at 666 likes.
6 is such a fun number.
Howdy!
the commercial are getting really bad now. I'm about to leave this site forever.
Qui gon was right
8:21 He was NOT proven absolutely correct. First, I reject the premise that the council was corrupted by politics. It’s an absurd and ridiculous Sith/Dark Side talking narrative.
The temple’s location would not have made a difference even if you grant that assumption. Even you point out how even at other locations the Jedi didn’t engage in missions.
There was not anything wrong with the temple being at Coruscant. I think it was appropriate that the Jedi Temple be located in the capital of the Republic. It symbolized the importance of the Jedi in and for the Republic.
I always feel cold when I watch your videos. The Dark side is strong here.