Well let's be honest, when a company known for wholly different items decides to expand to a wholly new area in quite late stage of the trend, it's not about making good quality products. It's there to get any kind of share of the market. That's why there is nothing new or innovative, nothing to set these bags apart from all the other offerings in a well saturated market segment. Except maybe a cheaper price. I personally feel like that big brands don't have anything new to offer on bikepacking market, as their mo is to just copy and produce on larger scale. Smaller bag makers are the ones that can offer customisation and more personal touch to meet the individual needs from bags.
Thanks for your reviews. I came here to see what was up with the M.U.L.E. Frame Pack with 2L Bike Reservoir. The idea of storing water in a frame pack is appealing but like you said, gravity makes it a bit harder to get water to your mouth. That was a deciding factor to not buy one. Some wax or dry lube on the zipper would improve the pull. I still use a CB 1.5lt. backpack that only holds the bladder and wish it had a small, zippered pocket. I can place 2 16oz.water bottles in my RockBros frame pack if need be. If I were bikepacking this CB frame pack might be considered.
I love my full frame revelate designs frame bag so much, it just lives on my bike--even for day trips. I've had it on my bike nonstop since 2017 and it is still just as good now as it was 6 years ago.
Frame bags, Revelate Designs for hardtail mtn bikes. This year's GDMBR (slow tourist), switching complete approach to Black Mountain Cycles La Cabra, Tumbleweed racks front and rear, with Revelate Nano Panniers front and rear. Pluses for me: lower center of packed weight; lower BB and center of body weight; easier to pack; familiar load carry for this old school road touring cyclist; and drop bars for comfort. Happy trails! ☮
Thanks for heads up, I'm really interested in the 12L handlebar pack if/when they fix the issues next year!!!! Love the top loading roll down style. From your advice over the past few years, I bought various used (and two new) Revelate packs, great company, but can be modernized a bit. It would be fantastic if handlebar pack had quick release to take bag away from bike for lunch or nap pillow in heat of day under shade tree, but this ability will always be secondary to bouncing stability. Sometimes the suppliers need to be shown the return rate on poor workmanship before they'll up their game, that customers will take the time to return it within 20 days, so if they do it right, next year will see huge improvement. I'll keep an eye on your reviews on if they fix the 12L next year, thanks!
For pouch bag, even Rhinowalk (from aliexpress) has aluminum insulation inside the bag. Very usefull in Brazil with Polar or Camelback bootles. They must give some distance from frame in handlebar bag. I actually found it nice, but for something that may have heavy stuff, better stabilizers are good idea. The frame bag are very similar to Apidura frame bag, and while I liked the two zipers idea, isn't another point to get water into bag?
The frame bag comes with 2Litres bladder bag fits nicely into the bag? It will be good they use strong velcro than zippers as zippers will damage quite quickly.
I'm always blown away by what you fit into your seat pack. I'm dying to know what 20 degree bag you get into that bag with your pad and down jacket. That's amazing to me.
I have just bought the brand new Camelbak Quick Stow 2L reservoir but the water is leaking from the top cap. Do you know how to solve it? Or any place to buy the new cap as the local store do not provide support when asked about it?
Like the look of the handlebar bag, I need to get one as the bag I have (Alpkit Airlok Dual, bought when I had a hardtail MTB) isn't ideal for a drop bar bike. Stem bag looks a bit cheap and nasty, I've got a Topeak Freeloader which is really easy to use one-handed.
Im honestly surprised it's taken this long for big outdoor brands to enter this market. Other than REI, we haven't seen any of the big brands capitalize on the insane price of bikepacking gear. I'd love to see this prompt more entrants to drive prices down; I'm sure cottage brands will still survive making the highest-quality domestic products for a premium, but this might signal a door opening to a lot more people.
The door is already open to anyone who is willing to spend some time learning to sew so that they can make their own bags. I made framebags and top tube bags for both my bike and my partner's bike, and I'm working on handlebar bags next. The price of materials was about 25% of the price of commercially made bags, and I learned a lot along the way. I also gained an appreciation for how much work goes into designing and making this stuff. I'd recommend that anyone with the time and inclination give it a try.
You mentioned down pants someplace in your review. I'm researching down pants now...struggling a bit wading thru the hunting product lines. Luv some feedback on your choice. Off topic from the Camelback review I know but I'm trying to size up what I want to take 1st with what will be my eventual bag choices. Absolutely luv your eloquent straight talk! Tks!
Hey Kevin, lots of good options here: bikepacking.com/gear/best-down-pants/ I'm using the Mountain Hardware Ghost Whisperer. They are all a pretty expensive, but maybe the most important layer for me at camp.
Its obvious why the big brands run themselves into trouble and the commercial bike industry against the wall. Everybody must understand by this example of poor craftmanship and weak product management why every garage brand nowadays has flourishing business. Keep it up, like this we see the innovations coming from the small brands, and the crap weeding out!
Sad. CB had built a solid reputation over decades focussed on hydration and durability of equipment (still use a MULE bought in 2006 … 2nd bladder) … a reputation that may now be tainted. I can understand a company’s need for diversification but best stick to what you know or at least experiment with a new brand variant outside of your flagship.
There are too many really good boutique bag makers to even consider camelbak. Revelate, JPaks, Rouge Panda etc. I have been really satisfied with Revelate and JPaks.
I like Camelback as a brand. But these doesn't set them a part. I saw better bags, simple as that. My feedback would be the color, I dislike it, being grey boring. Rather than black and fitting anything. And the bungee cords are ridiculous. Color of the straps, the blue straps...seriously. Everything is like grey and matched, and than you fit them with blue ... straps, is seriously ugly. Still a good review. Thank you.
that stitching looks horrendous, it seems camalbak have gone out to the cheapest bidder and stuck their name on it this is why I get mine from small quality indy business because they make the bags correctly.
It's amazing how many beginner's mistakes a company with so much experience can make with a new product. I think the fifth generation will be usable.
Well let's be honest, when a company known for wholly different items decides to expand to a wholly new area in quite late stage of the trend, it's not about making good quality products. It's there to get any kind of share of the market.
That's why there is nothing new or innovative, nothing to set these bags apart from all the other offerings in a well saturated market segment. Except maybe a cheaper price.
I personally feel like that big brands don't have anything new to offer on bikepacking market, as their mo is to just copy and produce on larger scale.
Smaller bag makers are the ones that can offer customisation and more personal touch to meet the individual needs from bags.
The frame bag in theory seems the most promising, but I would definitely want to wait for future iterations with updated (better) zippers, etc.
Thanks for your reviews. I came here to see what was up with the M.U.L.E. Frame Pack with 2L Bike Reservoir. The idea of storing water in a frame pack is appealing but like you said, gravity makes it a bit harder to get water to your mouth. That was a deciding factor to not buy one. Some wax or dry lube on the zipper would improve the pull. I still use a CB 1.5lt. backpack that only holds the bladder and wish it had a small, zippered pocket. I can place 2 16oz.water bottles in my RockBros frame pack if need be. If I were bikepacking this CB frame pack might be considered.
Cheap quality buckles being sourced show that the actual parts "purchasing agent@ for Camelback needs to be resourced as well.
LOL, excellent wordplay, Ellery. But I'm thinking the error probably lies with some bean counter, who set an unrealistic budget.
I love my full frame revelate designs frame bag so much, it just lives on my bike--even for day trips. I've had it on my bike nonstop since 2017 and it is still just as good now as it was 6 years ago.
Had my wizard works bag for a year and can mirror the sentiment. It's basically my backpack and pockets replacement.
Frame bags, Revelate Designs for hardtail mtn bikes. This year's GDMBR (slow tourist), switching complete approach to Black Mountain Cycles La Cabra, Tumbleweed racks front and rear, with Revelate Nano Panniers front and rear. Pluses for me: lower center of packed weight; lower BB and center of body weight; easier to pack; familiar load carry for this old school road touring cyclist; and drop bars for comfort. Happy trails! ☮
Thanks for heads up, I'm really interested in the 12L handlebar pack if/when they fix the issues next year!!!! Love the top loading roll down style. From your advice over the past few years, I bought various used (and two new) Revelate packs, great company, but can be modernized a bit. It would be fantastic if handlebar pack had quick release to take bag away from bike for lunch or nap pillow in heat of day under shade tree, but this ability will always be secondary to bouncing stability. Sometimes the suppliers need to be shown the return rate on poor workmanship before they'll up their game, that customers will take the time to return it within 20 days, so if they do it right, next year will see huge improvement. I'll keep an eye on your reviews on if they fix the 12L next year, thanks!
For pouch bag, even Rhinowalk (from aliexpress) has aluminum insulation inside the bag. Very usefull in Brazil with Polar or Camelback bootles.
They must give some distance from frame in handlebar bag. I actually found it nice, but for something that may have heavy stuff, better stabilizers are good idea.
The frame bag are very similar to Apidura frame bag, and while I liked the two zipers idea, isn't another point to get water into bag?
Thanks for mentioning the parent corporation. It's helpful knowledge for those of us seeking to be ethical consumers.
The frame bag comes with 2Litres bladder bag fits nicely into the bag? It will be good they use strong velcro than zippers as zippers will damage quite quickly.
Ive been thinking about buying a few of these, thanks for the video!!!
I'm always blown away by what you fit into your seat pack. I'm dying to know what 20 degree bag you get into that bag with your pad and down jacket. That's amazing to me.
lol, I try and make use of every mm of space. Was packing a Therm-a-Rest vesper quilt NEMO Tensor Trail Ultralight
I have just bought the brand new Camelbak Quick Stow 2L reservoir but the water is leaking from the top cap. Do you know how to solve it? Or any place to buy the new cap as the local store do not provide support when asked about it?
Like the look of the handlebar bag, I need to get one as the bag I have (Alpkit Airlok Dual, bought when I had a hardtail MTB) isn't ideal for a drop bar bike. Stem bag looks a bit cheap and nasty, I've got a Topeak Freeloader which is really easy to use one-handed.
Im honestly surprised it's taken this long for big outdoor brands to enter this market. Other than REI, we haven't seen any of the big brands capitalize on the insane price of bikepacking gear. I'd love to see this prompt more entrants to drive prices down; I'm sure cottage brands will still survive making the highest-quality domestic products for a premium, but this might signal a door opening to a lot more people.
The door is already open to anyone who is willing to spend some time learning to sew so that they can make their own bags. I made framebags and top tube bags for both my bike and my partner's bike, and I'm working on handlebar bags next. The price of materials was about 25% of the price of commercially made bags, and I learned a lot along the way. I also gained an appreciation for how much work goes into designing and making this stuff. I'd recommend that anyone with the time and inclination give it a try.
@@coralnerd I'm doing the same! Plus, in my opinion, they look way cooler!
They can only go up from here. Gotta start somewhere.
kislux versace bag is so cute
April Fools is over, Camelbak
Camelbak should just stick to hydration backpacks. These bike bags are water resistant with waterproof prices. No go for this guy.
You mentioned down pants someplace in your review. I'm researching down pants now...struggling a bit wading thru the hunting product lines. Luv some feedback on your choice. Off topic from the Camelback review I know but I'm trying to size up what I want to take 1st with what will be my eventual bag choices. Absolutely luv your eloquent straight talk! Tks!
Hey Kevin, lots of good options here: bikepacking.com/gear/best-down-pants/
I'm using the Mountain Hardware Ghost Whisperer. They are all a pretty expensive, but maybe the most important layer for me at camp.
@@BIKEPACKINGcom Holy Crap was that what I was looking for or what? 😀
Have you considered alpha direct pants ?
@@CookingMike
search was rabbit hole.
Its obvious why the big brands run themselves into trouble and the commercial bike industry against the wall. Everybody must understand by this example of poor craftmanship and weak product management why every garage brand nowadays has flourishing business. Keep it up, like this we see the innovations coming from the small brands, and the crap weeding out!
Just try a get CB to sell U a custom fitted to ur frt triangle framebag like Nick does for no extra cost at Rouge Panda
Love your attitude about this bag and not caring about what people will say. kislux You are right keep your head up and no your priorities.
Sad. CB had built a solid reputation over decades focussed on hydration and durability of equipment (still use a MULE bought in 2006 … 2nd bladder) … a reputation that may now be tainted. I can understand a company’s need for diversification but best stick to what you know or at least experiment with a new brand variant outside of your flagship.
I think camel back.Just need to get somebody who's in the bike packing to help them out
There are too many really good boutique bag makers to even consider camelbak. Revelate, JPaks, Rouge Panda etc. I have been really satisfied with Revelate and JPaks.
Looks like garbage if everything is breaking after one ride. Handle bar bag looks okay though.
The handlebar bag is really the winner here, innovative, and still gives loads of capacity that can work between narrow drop bars.
Good informative video... But no way am I buying these.....😂
Colorways?? The word colors is fully adequate
Not worth it. They look cheap and rushed. It is like they have been sleeping for years and then decided, "hey, let's get into bike packing".
Wow. Swing and a miss!
I like Camelback as a brand. But these doesn't set them a part. I saw better bags, simple as that. My feedback would be the color, I dislike it, being grey boring. Rather than black and fitting anything. And the bungee cords are ridiculous. Color of the straps, the blue straps...seriously. Everything is like grey and matched, and than you fit them with blue ... straps, is seriously ugly. Still a good review. Thank you.
"Medium To Ultra Long Adventures" = MTULA
good catch, I meant to say endeavors. And I guess the T is silent, but thats a question from Camelbak.
These look nasty. I simple don't know why these "big" companies even bother when the execution is so poor. It reflects so badly on them IMHO.
look cheap not well made and need a lot of work to bring up to others out there, would not touch them with a barge pole .
Looks ugly and cheap tbh.
that stitching looks horrendous, it seems camalbak have gone out to the cheapest bidder and stuck their name on it this is why I get mine from small quality indy business because they make the bags correctly.
Looks like junk for the price. I am sure WallMart will carry them soon since this matches their quality standards.
not worth it. go with the tried-and-true for the same price
that’s gonna be a hard pass for me
A poor attempt to be get into the market
Boo on the e-bikefomercial.
Ebikes are awesome
En el momento en que vi el bolso kislux , supe que tenía que tenerlo.