Keeping the Soil In Organic
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2017
- Vermont farmer David Chapman and farmer/author Eliot Coleman explain why the integrity of the USDA organic seal is at risk if hydroponic and contained animal feedlot operations are allowed to be certified as organic.
Learn more at www.keepthesoilinorganic.org.
Produced by MMCTV15 and NOFA Vermont.
Music by D. Davis (dsdavismusic@gmail.com)
All my life I never knew about this information. The truth has its way of getting out. May all farmers be inspired by this important message
The way food is grown is the way it should be marketed.
Truth in advertising!
I will act upon it my whole life 💞
WOW. ain't afraid of speaking the truth. This is good info. The things we never really think of are the things that actually matter.
It's been years that I thought hydroponic farming and some sort of it as pseudo-farming. The stronger I stated that thought the more enemy I got.
Eventually I found this video. Thank you.
I wish we could wake up the International peoples, thank you Sir !
As a consumer and vegan, for me the quality of my fruit and vegetables must be really high, I don't mind paying more as long as the quality is organic. A few years ago, a friend of mine told me that they were starting to sell hydroponic vegetables and that I should try them. We were in Italy, when my friend explained to me that those veggies were raised in water, I felt a knot in my stomach. What about nutritional value? Luckily, I found some local farmers in the area between Milano and Como, who were selling their produce directly to consumers. Their vegetables were the best I'd ever eaten until that point, I had to queue up to buy them. I don't know whether the veggies werr organic or not but judging by the taste, I assume yes. I used to buy organic vegetables from the supermarket but the taste was no way as good as the produce I bought from that family of farmers. I think that farmers and consumers should develop a direct way of commerce by keeping middle people out of the picture. In Italy, some farmers offered a weekly delivery to the consumer of at least a full box of fresh seasonal produce. You could not choose the produce but there was a fixed ratio of greens, fruit and other vegetables. I left Italy so I didn't have a chance to try the service but they had examples photo online. The deal was to pay 1 month in advance for your weekly produce which could only be done in certain areas near where the farmer was located. That allowed small farmers to initiate a long term relationship with the consumers with a good income for the farmer and high quality produce for the consumer who got the food delivered to their home! The customers were free to visit the farm to check the quality of both the soil and its produce.
Now, in the US the situation may be different because of great distances but I guess that if I were there, I would go straight to farmer markets. I currently live in Cambodia where most people grow their own food and sell it at the fresh market. There is a certain pride in people when they sell their produce to you and see you coming back to buy more, they often give me gifts free of charge such as chilies or spring onions. The Western way of shopping has been completely dehumanised: the people who sell have no connection to the land and dealers only care about profits before they care about people. We must reconnect to the land and to each other.
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The radiant core of high nutrition food is really good humus. Humus is the end result of careful composting. Making humus really well is easy in theory, but it takes a lot of patience and care and many important parameters must be met for success. It is very rare to see a really great compost made in both the simplest and yet also in a necessarily most sophisticated way. There are so many different feed-stocks, and so many tricks of the trade. There are so many different materials that can be composted, and they all have different qualities and requirements. Truly, composting is the most vital art, and doing it well pays big dividends. Humus is what makes a product organic. Thanks for this, fraud is rampant everywhere where there is money involved.
Beautifully said!
Get your food from your local growers where you can see how they farm!!! Labels only make it more expensive and you will always have people that are in it for the money!!! You need the farmers with a heart for farming
AMEN speaking truth
Thank you
Only people can change the laws. People decide which one to eat and promote.
Listen to these experienced people who are with nature and hunger to feed 100% natural. It was pleasure to watch and listen these people. Victory to farmers. Jai Hind
This is an eye opener video.
VERY GOOD INFORMACIÓN, THANKS!!!
Wise words
Lots of learning for our dear farmers and especially in relation to the "government". Unfortunately the entity that is conventionally regarded of as "government" is absolutely foreign to native-born American farmers. Turning to that entity for some supposed benefits in support of organics was a major learning! This presentation deserves to be seen by all, just as it says, people were tricked into buying what they don't want. Buyer beware!
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Realistic & sustainable agri information .👌🙏
Really Eye Opener Best Explanation.
And the growers need to continually educate and update the public.
Brian, the public needs to wait for no one and move forward one person at the time. However, public education prevents people from being truly enlightened
Amazing thank you
Very intresting. We have KRAV as the strong label .
I have been around for a while & l will tell you this..... some of the best food l have ever eaten came from food made by so called poor rural African communities. That might sound strange but on the African continent were l live, you still find food produced in the most basic way.... seed handed over year after year, no pesticides, animal manure is fertilizer, plants/animal grown in (their) season, river/rain water for watering etc. Monoculture basically none existant. Those little things contribute a lot in how food tastes like. Yes these methods will not feed millions in one go, but they were never meant to. By design these systems wr meant to feed households. My grandmother's sweet potatoes tasted better than anything l could buy in store in the city. She delivered organic 100% of the time without even trying.
I had a training session some years ago in Florida USA and while l remember the warm hospitality of my host..... l also recall that some of the worst eggs l have ever eaten in my life were at that meeting.
I wish more of these conversations could be shared.
Brilliant videos this.....
I purchased heirloom tomatoes at the store because mine have only started. I figured they would taste like what I grow. So I paid the high price and got cardboard. It had less flavor then the cheaper ones. I would bet they were grown hydroponic.
Well said in only 19 minutes!!!!!!
i grew with farmer grandparents, and that is a beautiful part of my childhood that stayed with me and something i want to pass on to my child. I am for soil-organic farming, absolutely.
If modern farming has evolved, and goverment doesn't or cannot decline their claim that their produce is organic then why not just create a label of " organic-soil grown" and "organic-hydroponic grown".Besides, the standards of a genuine organic product is not followed anymore, so just let them have the label "organic" but classify it accdgly when sold in the market. Label it as soil- grown and hydroponic-grown and let the people choose. This way let the people can just search for themselves which is truly healthier for them. I for one, dont want to buy an "organic" food without me knowing which one is soil-organic and Hydroponic, but i am forced to buy becuase made it was labelled tha same. Better label accordingly if government can't decline the new way of farming.
Wow, Elliot I have not seen you in so long, time has been good on you. Need more from you now, now more than ever.i have used many of your tips over the seasons. Now I'm all micro biology in the soil, straight organics. I'm growing soil more than plants, and the plants are growing more for me. Biochar, lactobacillus, fish hydrolysate, compost tea, growing the greatest garden ever. No bugs unless they are on trap crop, no disease, none, and unbelievable healthy plants. No till, greatest thing we can do first, add organics, compost , woodchips, mulch, mulch, mulch. It works and when your soil is alive again, the crops are amazing.
What is your feeding (schedule and how often ) for all your input?
Fish hydrolytsate 2 times a month foliar. Compost tea with lactobacillus 2 times a month. Drench. Rotate. Lactobacillus alone as foliar 2 times a week. alone. Hot cured and finished compost with biochar added at start of pile is used for fresh top dressing and before heavy mulch applied. Apply Before and after start and crop finish.
Its just becoming a natural soil full of liife. Hydrolysate feeds plants and soil. Lacto feeds soil. Compost tea feeds everything and Compost is its buffet. The mulch keeps it all topped off.
I also use urine and chicken manure in my hot compost piles.
@@philortiz7519 thanks so much for the detailed explanation!
Fish hydrolysate my experience is u want the oils up on top the most. When you that heavy sheen that's the best for me. I use shad. Pogies. Small 2-4 inch
Very oily. I use all I make but that heavy oils is the best. I took last of spring batch tonight and strained a drained it all into big tub. Tomorrow ill dilute it and pour it on raised beds being built for spring. It was past prime. Making new batch tomorrow. Equal parts brown sugar and fish. Can't stress enough about c9mpost tea, lacto bacillus, and fish hydrolysate, compost and heavy mulch. Adding chicken manure to this fall. Will be putting that on the new beds to. What do you know about biochar? I use it as well. I fill tree tubs in layers with fish and composttop it off with mulch. Thru fall and winter I add compost tea and lactobacillous to it. By spring it's charged and ready. Plants readily grow in the tub as is. 70-80% biochar. Also put in beds and plant.
@@philortiz7519 hello Phil. Thanks for your appreciated help! I don’t know much about Biochar. Any help on the subject ? I’m planning my next year already, my garden didn’t do good this year
Thank you for sharing this information. Organic standards are under assault, just like the whole GMO movement (which I disagree with). I will share this information to as many as possible. I had no idea of the number of fruits and veggies I thought were "organic" are actually hydroponically grown.
Vilsack is Sec of Ag. and is known as Mister Monsanto!!
Thank you...I wish we could wake up the American people.
They are waking up! The smart once go off grid raising their own real organic food- like me
The public has a right to know that the so-called organic foods they buy are being grown hydroponically. Keeping that from us is just telling a big fat lie!
@@rugrat1235 are you sure all farmers do as you claim? Have you visited every farm to make that statement?
What about the rest of the world? Can't it be a worldwide thing? Ciao from italy
@@lucaafferri4236 everyone is responsible for their own diet and doing the thinking and researching! Ciao from Bulgaria
We need a new label, new standard non-government related. Let the diluted USDA Organic definition become irrelevant, as it apparently is anyway.
The problem is in the definition of Organic. In the eyes of the government, if your nutrients are "organic" i.e. FoxFarms Big Bloom(worm casting and Bat Guano), then your product is organic. What you are looking for is definition change of what is organic. If I grow Hydroponically in an organic medium i.e. pebbles and use organic nutrients like Big Bloom, the government and public at large feel this is organic. If you want change, you must convince the government that "Organic Grown" equates to soil. Organic is an overused term. The term "natural" is more appealing to me and excludes anything not natural as in Hydroponics and Aquaponics. Good Luck on your mission!
But natural isn't labeled by law. You can say natural and scam. I'd go with organic for those grown in fertile soil and hydroponic organic for the rest.
I am in #Pakistan
agree with each and every word of this presentation
Organic mean naturally produced
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I'm from India...and really upset about this modern technologies, say it chemical fertilizers, aquaponics, bioflock, etc...the real problem is, people are full of calories and they want to become foody in some superhuman sense. This must change. We must learn to eat efficient, rather than seeking some non-sense idea of becoming immortal and superhuman. This madness will end someday in a disastrous way. Great content. 👍 Thanks a lot.
feed the soil, not the plant. greets from Chile, we are on the same side.
Soil organic might be a good new label??
Grown in Organic soil, perhaps.
Grow your own!
Yes, I agree with you 100% but I have been farming 100% organic for 10 years. I have just started aquaponics. What are your thoughts on this as there is nothing added? The fish feed the plants and the plants clean the water. In my mind, this is organic as it is natural.
Not organic if your plants are not in the soil. Simple as that
organic is like a fashion statement & open to a wider definition presented by corporate business whose only real interest is more & more profits
not interests of customers & their health
Organic is life, Non Organic some day will be ilegal
Why not just create a "soil grown" label?
AMEN YES, exactly. Only grown in soil that is already regenerated, living soil !!!!!!!!!!! There is so much more that is wrong with the national label too. Just put an honest label on it!
"We had an abundance of topsoil so we could afford to take more than we added."
Hmm... I wonder if the people who were living here before had something to do with that and could've taught us how to keep the gravy train rolling.
On a serious note though, is it possible to create a new permaculture designation that keeps the soil in what was supposed to be organic?
It’s corruption, corporate dollars causing policy makers to change the standards or look away in order to get the label. Our politicians giving into the corporations best interest in lieu of what policy makers were intended to do, looking out for the peoples best interest.
How about a grassroots organization that certifies the crop as a fertile ground grow food? So the real organic farmer would get the government seal of organic and a private certification that it's really organic.
I’m curious about whether hydroponics is necessarily always bad. I’m not arguing against the main message of this video: that soil belongs in the definition of organic. That absolutely is clearly an essential thing to defend. But are there conditions in which hydroponics can be useful to humanity? For example, in the scenario that climate change doesn’t slow down (which feels more and more tragically hopeless given our political situation), could hydroponics get us through a time when soil farming just can’t be sustainable because of the climate? When done using clean energy, and transparently, could hydroponics be a good thing? I guess I’m wondering if we could think of it as the best case scenario that organic farming grows and steadily replaces conventional methods, and sort of a back up plan or supplemental plan to grow hydroponically in a responsible way? Just hoping to learn more about this topic.
And thank you so much to the essential work that NOFAVT is doing and for producing this very important video!
We desperately need soil-based growing to prevent climate collapse. It's being shown that regenerative agriculture - rebuilding microbial communities in the soil and thereby feeding plant optimally - is an important tool for carbon sequestration. Our food growing systems have the potential to contribute greatly to restoring stability to our climate. While hydroponics could conceivably contribute to survival in an emergency scenario, it's important that we focus on and implement all we can to nurture our natural systems back to true health.
You both have bought into the man-made global warming / climate change hoax. You shouldn't sequester such bs in your heads.
lo abian de traducir en español que interesantes
What about aquaponics? they don't rely on artificial fertilizers
Aquaponics rely on fish food which is fish caught from the ocean. These small fish are ground up and dried to become fish pellets to feed the aquaponic fish. It takes away food from the ocean infrastructure. Not good.
I admire Coleman's work.
However, organic farming has been going on far longer than the early 1900s.
Soil filled with life gives life to the ants and to you. Forget hidropoponics.
I meant to say plants
awww no what did i just watch?? truth??? yesssss. why youtube are hiding this i'll leave that for you to work out
Hydroponics is not a bad way to grow food, and may be preferable in many locations where land is scarce, or soils are degraded. But, yes, let's keep the soil in organics. Like with any big industry, political lobbying influences the organics movement in negative ways. As the end consumers, the buying public must demand proper labeling.
@Klaa2, Of course you're correct, and I wasn't implying that it is. I meant hydroponics is an "option" for growing food. Besides looking for ways to cut food waste, it doesn't hurt to look at the different ways food can be produced. Simply put, the answer to degraded soil is the addition of organic material, beneficial bacteria & fungi, and hydration. At least that's what turned my mostly clay garden soil to clay-loam.
Improving degraded soil should be one of the end goals of everyone who grows food in the soil, but that often takes time, energy, resources, and maybe money. But if we're just talking about feeding people, and certain communities with poor soils need to meet their food energy needs right now, and hydroponics proves to be a cheaper and quicker solution, then they might consider it. After all, they'll need the food energy in order to begin work on improving their degraded soils. Feeding the hungry and improving degraded soils don't have to be mutually exclusive activities.
Its sad to see folks with disposable incomes destroying what folks before them went out of their ways to make better!
what about aquaponics
Not one word about it lol
WE HAVE TO USE OTHER METHODS LIKE TO PUT BIOLOGY IN OUR SOIL...
I think that I will change my approach to the whole organic meaning. The USDA and BIG AGG have tainted the term "Organic". I'm to going to market my produce as "Naturally Grown Produce" Let's see how that works. I don't want to be a USDA labeled farm because I don't be a part of a tainted market. I'm a leader, not a follower!!!
your a hero
29 comments I'm flabbergasted. Great video, may I work for you?
Regenerative is the new (and old) organic
If hydroponic is done right without any chemical inputs using water from a naturally sustaining pond then it is organic. I have seen it done, only problem is that the four tones of washed sand used to conduct the experiment turned into soil after about four years complete with bacteria fungi worms and other normally soil borne life. The pond was a natural feature with fish and natural reeds and no inputs except clear natural stream water, worked a treat until the clean sand turned into soil at which point it was no longer hydroponic but natural soil that had formed from the sand pond water and the plants that were grown. Funny how nature takes control if it is allowed to go its own way.
It is sad, I teach my kids about soil, I create my own, compost and bio-char are the base.....
the Egyptians used hydroponics growing through reed beds into nile water its an ancient way been re invented with natural stuff
And what happened to them?
This is what happens when the government “helps”.
All government eventually becomes bloated and corrupt.
Just like BAYER and the crap the pull and all with the help of the government. This company is doing more harm to foreign countries than anything especially with there pesticides harming humans
Nobody care at the end of the day neither govts nor companies who run for profits. But we as consumers.
What about permaculture?
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Is it a money making scheme how do you classify organic your seeds your manure organic farm could have overspray from his neighbours farm overrun when it rains to contaminate his or her land
High quality food would make high quality people to fight against there low quality slave system
Save the hydroponic for weed
No, do that organic as well! It's all about living no till! Check out THC HerbanGardener!
We love to boast ourselves to know and use SCIENCE, but unfortunately we are losing our conSCIENCE in the blind ways we apply science to life. Goodluck guys. Let's hope we regain our senses before long.
so from this video, what i got is that you cant really tell if your food is really organic.....
yes, so what's the difference? until we reinvent the ways of farming, I'm gonna be against them, there's nothing sustainable about the current agriculture techniques
Do what the cannabis community have done long time and sub catagorise it into hydro and biological ie hydro organic and bio organic
A label doesn't mean anything at all
If you didn't watch your food grow then you don't know what is in it
A label saying 'organic' means what it is decided it means
There is no 'real organic'
Grow your own food don't buy from 'organic' farmers
The people in this video just want to stop others from buying from others, they aren't concerned about your health
Coming from a guy who thumbed up Walter Lewin - LMAO!
aquaponic should be organic !
Ww2 generation fed on it compared to today's population .hmm maybe it's the food or at least a big part of the weak generations .
'Organic' is too powerful a marketing term to ever retrieve it from the corruption in which it is mired.
A new name/label which trumps 'organic' is needed to distinguish good food from virtual food or mass-produced food for the consumer.
Molecular scanner technology exists to be able to scan food and tell the nutrient value or toxicity levels thereof. Unfortunately even this technology potential was recognized as dangerous and itself is mired down in legal battles.
The new term needs to be "Naturally Grown Food".
Nice political word play ;)
We can change the term ?
By definition if all nutrients and products used by the plant are organic it's organic. What they speak of here is traditional self sustaining organic farming, they are confusing ideals with scientific definitions.
Looks like the ''organic'' farmers using soil may need to go down the ''Biodynamic'' root, its the next step in keeping the true practices. (excuse the pun)
Biodynamics is actually the Mother of Organics! Howard's time line begins (as Dave Chapman said) in 1940 where as Biodynamics began several years earlier. See: "THE ORIGIN OF “ORGANIC” in the "December 13, 2016" entry at: www.curezone.org/blogs/fm.asp?i=2346773
Are you still there?
If so, just do it ! I learned that „America“ is a free country and everyone is a millionaire so do what you think you have to do 🤷🏻♂️ Where is the problem?
At it's heart this is a well-intended video, but it comes across as simply a bashing of hydroponics. There is a great deal of time, within the 19 minutes, spent on discrediting hydroponics. Perhaps there is a worthy argument, but the over-bearing intent soon becomes obvious. Hydroponics, as a way to filter out fish excrement in water to grow lettuce and other greens, is actually a noble idea. Can hydroponics grow good turnips? Wheat? Potatoes? Garlic? Probably not. But lettuce and greens? Sure, why not? Will it grow as tasty? Let the consumer decide. Will it grow as nutritious? Let the laboratories decided. As for the USDA Organic labeling - it is outdated. I can tell you that I worked on an 'organic farm' in 2008 and the size of the chemical storage shed was larger than my garage, and filled with every sort of bagged and bottled chemical pesticide that you can imagine.
Hydroponic is totally chemical. The nutrients used in water are same chemicals which are used in chemical farming (chemical fertilizer ).
The reason why HydroPhonics is required is simply because the chemical industry is behind all this crap and they need to make profit at all costs. Period.
Aquaponics is not organic. Some people in the comments asked about aquaponics. This process relies on fish food. This fish food comes from small "feeder fish" in the ocean. These feeder fish are part of the infrastructure of the feeding system in the ocean. They are skimmed with large nets, ground up and dried to become fish pellets. It takes a lot of fish to make a bag of pellets. Its not good for the ocean health and long term sustainability. A terrible system.
It's not that I disagree with him nor the movement in general.. but, to push it solely on the gov't to not-label these 'others' as organic.. saying that they can create a new label, call it whatever they want, call it what it is, etc.. ..'fine'. but, then, so can a new label be created called 'True Organic' or some such that differentiates as well. To push it all as someone else's deal limits the potentials that this group could do in creating its own label.
The Music while people are talking is a distraction.
Because it makes you want to dance?
"Cows were designed"? Not a surprise that the video lacks of any scientific evidence.
Peoples living Organic looks weird,, especially theirs hair
Maybe they're don't blend with surrounding lead to it
the notion that aquaponic and bioponic cannot qualify as organic is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.
reserve soil for nature and aim for higher production without chemicals with a smaller footprint using a bioponic or aquaponic method.
I despise hydroponics.
U can grow organically in water. This is dumd.
The whole point of this video is the connection to the soil, the earth and the planet. Yes you can produce good quality vegetables with organic nutrients and a hydro system, but it doesn't connect to nature. I think this is whole point of the video.
Statism is never the correct path.
Your solution is to get rid of capitalism, and lose the passion for profit at any cost to nature.
That is not a good plan