I have one of these, you can still do a lot with them, I slapped in an AMD RX 580, added an NVME pci-e card with an M.2. And installed windows 10. CPU is a Xeon 6 core 12 thread beast. Plays pretty much everything 1080p 60 to 80 fps on high/medium.
Wait. How did you install windows 10? I spent a weekend trying everything, and after modding Bootcamp I couldn't get past the finalizing of windows. It would just crash. I have the 8 core version with an rx 560. Please give me any info you can because I really want to know how you worked it out!
@@b0ne91 So do you mean like he used OpenCore to get Monterey, and Monterey is the version that supports windows 10 in bootcamp? I guess that makes more sense, since Mojave has lost a lot of support from apps
@@bigbubba0439 No man, if your Mac is in Monterrey no official, it is not compatible with bootcamp, you need to stay in Big Sur or Catalina. glad to help.
A little back story on that Mac Pro:) I worked every summer in high school to save up for it and use it for my first semester in college. It was my first and only computer that was actually mine. I remember learning Maya and other graphics softwares and after a failed interview with Disney Animation Studios, I eventually built my own business in college with this computer, dual booting into both Mac and windows to create media and content. Great memories and a reliable machine but extremely happy with Windows and custom builds from PC Bros
I used a heavily-upgraded 2008 Mac Pro - eight cores, 3 GHz, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, R9 280x graphics card, hacked to Mojave - as my everyday computer for several years (until it died early last year), and it was EXCELLENT for gaming. Sleeping Dogs, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Hitman Absolution and Bioshock Infinite all ran extremely well, and with the R9 280x and Mojave, the Mac Pro had full Metal support.
There's quite a lot of potential in the old cheese graters, or so I've heard. The W3690 or X5690 - basically Xeon versions of the i7-990X - are as high as they go, but you can get a dual CPU logic board for a max of 12 cores/24 threads using 2x X5690s. I hear GPUs can be a bit finicky and don't show the boot screen unless they have a specific BIOS, but I think it's possible to flash an RX 580 or even a Vega 56 to work without issues.
I find it interesting how many people are here trying to defend a mac that has less usability than an old laptop of the same year.... It's actually hysterical to think that I can put Windows 11 on a laptop from 2009 easier than one can put a new Mac OS on one of the most high-end premium models of the same year. I will say if toasty Bros was smart they would flash Linux on this machine and then see what it's capable of. I think it'd be very interesting to see steamos run on a premium Macintosh from the early 2000s. Let alone the potential for steam link. I wonder if this Macintosh could stream 4K from a more modern computer somewhere else. Over steam link. Honestly toasty Bros I expected more from you guys. It's clear your knowledge of PCS is very surface level... I put more effort into putting a Linux hypervisor on my pc then you guys put in to this....
I daily a 12 Mac Pro. AMD RX580, 6 core cpu, 48gb of ram (triple channel with 48gb is faster than dual channel with 64gb), and nvme SSDs. I run Big Sur for work and Windows 10 for games. Although it certainly gets you by with a pretty good gaming experience, it certainly leaves A LOT to be desired in a gaming rig. It handles everything I throw at it, and that’s hard to say for a 500 dollar setup!
i had a 2008 mac pro that was heavily modifed, it had dual 4 core 2.33ghz xeon processor, 24gb of ram, gtx 970, and it was dual windows/mac os x, and it worked for everything i did, it ran a minecraft server, played video games, watched youtube in 4k, it was a great computer for me, it sadly died in december 2021, but i still use the apple monitor and the keyboard/mouse that came with it :)
The cheese graters are scarily reliable and last for years! My 16 year old 1,1 still works perfectly running El Capitan and latest Debian with KDE Plasma
You should have used the Bootcamp partition - Bootcamp is Apple's way to get Windows on a Mac. I know you can get a flash for Mac RX 5700 XT. So please do a part 2 with my suggetions!
If you fully upgrade Mac OS to the newest compatible version, Boot Camp isn't an option on the Mac Pro. Instead, you download the drivers and dual boot. In my case, I have 2 physical SSDs that I swap for the dual boot.
Yeah I don’t know why they kept the side panel off since I’m pretty sure the motherboard can detect when the side panel is not present, modifying the fan curve
I got one of these about a year ago, Very basic setup but I researched it a lot before I got it. It had a single processor 2.4 Ghz, 16 GB ram and the original GPU, an 1 Tb hdd. Now it has dual 3.46 processor 6 cores each 12 threads, 64 Gb ddr3 1333 Ram. Radeon 580 8 gb GPU flash to Mac so I get the Mac startup screen. Dual Pci-e Card with 2 tb NVME that is my Mac startup disk, 2 Tb ssd with a stand alone install on Windows 10. 3 6Tb Hdd's, and a USB 3.1/USB-C PCI-e card. I used Open Core Legacy Patched and installed Big Sur, plus I have bootable copies on High Sierra, and Mojave. Using my window boot I can play any game I have had loaded from Steam and World of Warships, also World of Tanks on both Windows and Mac.
These old Mac actually really great I actually have one really decked out with 128gb of ram and two xenon 3.33 and two Ssd and AMD frontier edition 64 with 16gb that has windows 10 and if I’m not mistaken you can use other breakfast cards also and with open core you can also get Monterey on there. If you guys have any questions more than willing to answer.
That cheese grater chasis can support a much more powerful graphics card, 128 gig of ram, and a 12 core processor. That machine can be made to perform really well.
The hard drives probably worth more than t he Mac itself. I have the Dual G5 version of this tower and I just LOVED the design of the computer when you opened the cover. Otherwise, its just a paperweight right now. Was a beast back in the early 2000's but now struggles to surf the web.
You could install macOS El Capitan you just have to unplug the Ethernet and set the date to 2017. you can set the date to 2017 in terminal (Mac’s version of command prompt)
Wow, the internals of that PC look amazingly well designed for both ease of access and upgradability. The only things that come close today would be the Intel NUC Extremes from the last few years, but even the internals of those don't look anywhere near as pretty as the inside of that Mac.
The artifacts are likely because of the GPU's lack of support for Monterey. It has no metal support either. I have a Mac Pro with a X5680 and a Vega 56 and it has no artifacting issues like that at all.
everytime i think of a video that i want to see you guys do, its like you can read my mind and its done! Love the content! ill continue to be here everyday for the next video.
Man, I would have loved to see y'all install Linux on it with all the issues you were having with the latest macOS to see if Linux could have brought some life to it 😂
I use one of these daily. I currently run Big Sur but these will run Mojave natively with a better GPU that what y’all have installed. -Dual 6 core Xeon X5690 -64GB of RAM -Sapphire Pulse RX 580 -NVME on PCIe boot drive -Six 1TB SATA drives in a RAID0 for video editing -10Gbe NIC I don’t do a lot of gaming on my but you can get a lot more performance out of them than what this video shows.
I find it interesting how many people are here trying to defend a mac that has less usability than an old laptop of the same year.... It's actually hysterical to think that I can put Windows on a laptop from 2009 easier than one can put a new Mac OS on one of the most high-end premium models of the same year. I will say if toasty Bros was smart they would flash Linux on this machine and then see what it's capable of. I think it'd be very interesting to see steamos run on a premium Macintosh from the early 2000s. Let alone the potential for steam link. I wonder if this Macintosh could stream 4K from a more modern computer somewhere else. Over steam link.
This generation of Mac Pros were so over-engineered. The side panel sealed so that air couldn't leak out around the chassis. Opening one up brand new back then was like opening the hood of something like a SL AMG because of the beauty covers... except the covers in these PowerMacs were actually functional. There was nothing in the PC space like this at the time, either for looks or sheer prices. One of the things to look for with Mac OS install issues is the drives... If you're using an old SSD with a more modern version of Mac OS, it will either be rough, or it will just destroy the drive. It literally happened multiple times for me... I've not had good fortune with aftermarket SSDs and MacOS past El Capitan. Also, GPUs for Macs were a little different than their PC brethren, so it could be that something with the engine in CS:GO that doesn't work with the GPU in there... also, the GPU could just be not long for this world. That being said, you could install an older version of MacOS (Mavericks might be ideal for this one) or even Linux, and it can be a really pretty server box for a while longer before it's totally eWaste.
I bought one of these pretty bone stock from Apple in 2011....beefed it up to a 12 core 64GB running a RX 580 on it and its pretty fun. Currently playing Psychonauts 2 on 1440p at about 55-60FPS. i want to upgrade but it def holds up still. got through the last 2 TombRaiders on decent 1080p settings
i use mine that i got for $20 with 32gb ram to host a ton of different servers for minecraft, quake, tf2, other stuff. good machine! mine's a 2009 but identifies as a 2010 thanks to a cool little rom hack
I own the dual Xeon firmware modded to 2012 version Mac Pro with 32 gb of Ram in 4 sticks. I tried to game on both Mac and Windows but wasn't really successful. I even put in an AMD 5600xt. I have retired my Mac Pro and don't use it anymore. Instead, I now use a custom AMD 3600 plus the 5600xt system now.
There's really more to say about this computer than what's in the video. I use it myself in a dual PC setup as a streaming computer. Xeon X5690, 48GB DDR3 RAM, RX 6600 XT and NVME SSD with Monterey and it is a very good computer. Even Warzone and Windows 10 works with about 110 FPS on 1080.... Just as an example. Costs: Mac Pro 150 €, CPU 40 €, 48GB RAM 40 €, 500GB NVME 40 €, RX 6600 XT 400 €, USB 3.2 30 €. 700 € for a straming Mac is ok. Streaming works without problems. You can simply install SATA hard disks. For me still a very good computer and in the video is not really shown what is possible with it.
Use the afterburner and see how much GPU is being used, the GPU is too overkill for this CPU, should have bought a used $200 Pc instead of $150 MAC and bought RX6600 non-XT. i3 10th gen is way faster than X5690 and can be found below $100.
Real talk, why did you not just put Win 10 on this?? It's super easy to put almost any OS on a Mac. I'm running Manjaro on my macbook air and it's an excellent combo.
Manjaro is a great os, especially with KDE plasma desktop environment. If only getting wifi drivers to work weren't such a pain in the ass, but I figured it out eventually
Real response, on this model of Mac Pro, the Windows installer has some issues actually loading/Windows booting. Something you can do to generally fix it is to actually update the firmware on the motherboard to the next year's Mac Pro. However at that time, I had already used OpenCore, and I would've needed to downgrade to El Capitan to flash the firmware. Unfortunately I was under a pretty big time crunch and didn't have time to either update the BIOS, or see if there was anything else I could do to get Windows working correctly. I didn't try installing Linux but I'm sure it would've worked great (NixOS user myself). Windows 11 technically was on the second partition of the SSD (which was split in half), it just didn't work. So basically, the answer is time. - Tech Support Friend
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Yeah, that is true, I have the KDE Plasma environment on mine. I had one laptop where I could not get the wifi working no matter what.
I remember I wanted one of these so bad. I’d be curious if El Capitan is the farthest that it will update. I have a 2011 MacBook Pro and that thing still kicks right over as compared to my 2019 Acer Preditor which died within a couple years.
i had 4.1 and 5.1 macs , i put 2x 6 core (12ores) processors and rx 580 , i game everiy game and this computer do it very well but after star citizen not start because processor is to old i stop with mac pro like my daily driver pc and also gaming pc. I use it more in Windows 10 but you cvan put also Catalina Mac Os there with dosdude patch. Very good computer. You can buy it cheap and easy upgrade, strong machine even now this years. Maine was with 2 cpu's. One cpus mac are not worth.
I've had this problem multiple times tying to get people's macs working again. What I've done in the past was install Sierra instead of El captain and that worked and I could update to el captain from their. 🔥
Mac OS install images have a time based certificate, so El Capitan would error if the install media was old (or just being weird). You can pretty easily install it through the terminal as basically a "Install anyways"
Man can you solve a problem that my pc having for some weeks it's sometimes suddenly show blue screen of death and automatically goes off and my boot drive vanished from the boot priority menu and i got nothing to boot with but 2 days later it automatically comes back again
Hey toasty bros I’m pretty new to your guys channel but was wondering if you guys can do a build around the Radeon rx 580 8gb graphics card I have one from a parts pc I have and don’t know what good parts to get to get the most out of it
Give this to Actionretro. He does awesome stuff with old Macs. As for me, I had luck with putting Linux on old unsupported intel macs. Windows 10 may Work, too, but you have to hunt for the drivers.
I need to see u guys upgrade it as much as possible, maybe even MacGyver a newer gpu thru a riser cable??? Gotta see this thing get the 2022 upgrade makeover!
Most AMD GPUs will work without flashing the card. That said, non flashed cards only display starting at the log on screen. I didn't flash my 5600xt and it worked fine for the limited time I used it with the Mac.
It's funny watching this video, since my whole family has used Mac for my whole life, and I might be the first one to switch to PC. I have an old 2009 Mac Pro that I use for some light gaming. It has 2 4-core Xeon processors. The thing is like an old man, as it sounds like a server when it starts up and has some weird quirks. My dad (the previous owner) upgraded it with an rx 560 and 14 gigs of ram (my dad had 8 gigs, but then put 6 1-gig DDR3 1066 mHz dimms. Seems like a waste of slots), and it performs decently well. I have been thinking of getting a pc, though, because I do have an M1 Macbook air but it thermal throttles when I game, and the Mac Pro is too old to do heavy gaming (like Minecraft with shaders or any windows games, since I tried everything but couldn't get windows 10 to work, even after modding Bootcamp). Also, yes, there is no boot screen because of the graphics card. Also also, it sounds like a jet engine if you put the fans at max speed which is funny. I do like the design, and it's so fascinating as it's the only Mac computer that can be truly upgraded (having no screws for components like ram, cpu, and graphics. Most old macs can only have the ssd's and ram changed). The most stable version I have is Mojave 10.14 (and I forget the revision). After that you get sleep and graphics issues. The reason you couldn't install El Capitan when you reset it was because you have to wipe and reinstall with the MacOS that was shipped with it... as I learned the hard way. You need to get a disc of Snow Leopard, wait for the slow dvd to transfer, and incredmentally upgrade from that all the way to the version you want. It takes about 2 hours. Also, there is at least 1 fan in the heatsink. In the dual-cpu model there's a "boost" fan in the heatsinks for each cpu ("BOOST_A" and "BOOST_B" according to Macs Fan Control) My dad used it for 13 years for composing and writing music. I remember coming into his office and it would be a few degrees hotter because that thing is a literal furnace with 2 cpus and a graphics card. It seems like a dinosaur now, but for a computer to have a life of 13 years is pretty insane. Between the 2 of us, I think our Mac Pro had a very nice, long life
Your issue is your slow CPUs. Upgrade them to dual x5690 CPUs and it will be FAR faster. Night and day difference. Also make sure you have 1333 RAM in there, not the 1066 stuff for the new CPU. You can get those CPUs for next to nothing now.
With Opencore you can do a full upgrade to the Latest OS. I had Linux Mint installed on a M.2. Drive (via card) . I used to have Windows 10 on mine, and I've played many games on it. That Power supply is also really good. Also, to get into bootcamp click on the settings icon....then you can choose your boot drive. You can also, restart, and press the option key, and choose boot drive that way as well.
I installed the latest OS with Opencore but it just doesn't work that well. Too many incompatibility issues. I recommend people stick with Catalina. It has no issues at all plus you aren't missing out on anything IMO.
@@vb7200 Cool. It might be that it is an NVIDIA metal card. It's an NVIDIA 730 I think. I used to have a 580 in there but I don't need the GPU power anymore since I game on my PC and only use my Mac for music production. This card was like 25 bucks and is metal capable. It's super fast and smooth on Catalina but Big Sur and Monterrey were not great. My music apps were where most of my issues came from.
@@gametime2473 Yeah nVidia and apple unfortunately do not mix well. They removed the drivers I believe in Catalina or High Sierra I can’t remember. I have an RX 580 and granted that’s no screamer, it’s bounds ahead of my 2015 Mac Book Pro that I was using before it,
Need help I am using a mid range pc Prosseser:Core i5-11400 Ram:8(single stick) Graphic card: GTX1650 When I play any game on my pc it's stutter a lot I have tried (watch dog 2) (sekiro) (farcry 3) and if I lower the resolution like medium or lower it doesn't help at all. performance of the game r same no matter what I do can any one know any solution or what the reason is
The rest of your specs are perfectly fine for those games, your issue is most likely the single stick of ram. If you changed it to 2x4 or 2x8 you'd most likely eliminate the stutter
@@tweakz_tech sir can you please explain what you wrote here because I am not that knowledgeable about pc if you kindly explain that to me I think it will help
@@stagezonestg4017 MSI afterburner is a program that allows you to monitor your system temps and framerates while gaming. You Can set what you need in the settings of the program. Also, do you have your games installed on SSD or HDD?
I have one of these, you can still do a lot with them, I slapped in an AMD RX 580, added an NVME pci-e card with an M.2. And installed windows 10. CPU is a Xeon 6 core 12 thread beast. Plays pretty much everything 1080p 60 to 80 fps on high/medium.
Wait. How did you install windows 10? I spent a weekend trying everything, and after modding Bootcamp I couldn't get past the finalizing of windows. It would just crash. I have the 8 core version with an rx 560. Please give me any info you can because I really want to know how you worked it out!
@@bigbubba0439 guessing he uses OpenCOre, which is what most people use for these MacPro 5,1
@@b0ne91 So do you mean like he used OpenCore to get Monterey, and Monterey is the version that supports windows 10 in bootcamp? I guess that makes more sense, since Mojave has lost a lot of support from apps
@@bigbubba0439 No I mean a good old dual boot with OpenCore. Native Windows, none of that bootcamp bullshit
@@bigbubba0439 No man, if your Mac is in Monterrey no official, it is not compatible with bootcamp, you need to stay in Big Sur or Catalina. glad to help.
A little back story on that Mac Pro:) I worked every summer in high school to save up for it and use it for my first semester in college. It was my first and only computer that was actually mine. I remember learning Maya and other graphics softwares and after a failed interview with Disney Animation Studios, I eventually built my own business in college with this computer, dual booting into both Mac and windows to create media and content. Great memories and a reliable machine but extremely happy with Windows and custom builds from PC Bros
WAS IT ACTUALLY YOURS
Thanks for the insight into it's history, sounds like you two had quite the time together. :D
I used a heavily-upgraded 2008 Mac Pro - eight cores, 3 GHz, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, R9 280x graphics card, hacked to Mojave - as my everyday computer for several years (until it died early last year), and it was EXCELLENT for gaming. Sleeping Dogs, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Hitman Absolution and Bioshock Infinite all ran extremely well, and with the R9 280x and Mojave, the Mac Pro had full Metal support.
There's quite a lot of potential in the old cheese graters, or so I've heard. The W3690 or X5690 - basically Xeon versions of the i7-990X - are as high as they go, but you can get a dual CPU logic board for a max of 12 cores/24 threads using 2x X5690s. I hear GPUs can be a bit finicky and don't show the boot screen unless they have a specific BIOS, but I think it's possible to flash an RX 580 or even a Vega 56 to work without issues.
@Lurch7861Emulation? completely outclassed?
I find it interesting how many people are here trying to defend a mac that has less usability than an old laptop of the same year.... It's actually hysterical to think that I can put Windows 11 on a laptop from 2009 easier than one can put a new Mac OS on one of the most high-end premium models of the same year.
I will say if toasty Bros was smart they would flash Linux on this machine and then see what it's capable of. I think it'd be very interesting to see steamos run on a premium Macintosh from the early 2000s. Let alone the potential for steam link. I wonder if this Macintosh could stream 4K from a more modern computer somewhere else. Over steam link.
Honestly toasty Bros I expected more from you guys. It's clear your knowledge of PCS is very surface level...
I put more effort into putting a Linux hypervisor on my pc then you guys put in to this....
@@patrickgronemeyer3375 Bro, Not Everyone Wants to hack into the fucking pentagon to get a PC working
I love your channel
@@riczz4641 Thanks ☺
I daily a 12 Mac Pro. AMD RX580, 6 core cpu, 48gb of ram (triple channel with 48gb is faster than dual channel with 64gb), and nvme SSDs. I run Big Sur for work and Windows 10 for games. Although it certainly gets you by with a pretty good gaming experience, it certainly leaves A LOT to be desired in a gaming rig. It handles everything I throw at it, and that’s hard to say for a 500 dollar setup!
You can build a PC with an old Ryzen 5 1600+RX580 for much cheaper and it would absolutely demolish your PC in CPU power, what games you play lol.
@@hariskhan01 I’m aware, but I use MacOS for work so I don’t really care to go full PC yet. Not that much of a KBM gamer anyways
i had a 2008 mac pro that was heavily modifed, it had dual 4 core 2.33ghz xeon processor, 24gb of ram, gtx 970, and it was dual windows/mac os x, and it worked for everything i did, it ran a minecraft server, played video games, watched youtube in 4k, it was a great computer for me, it sadly died in december 2021, but i still use the apple monitor and the keyboard/mouse that came with it :)
Why it died?
@@abdulbasit34310 power supply shorted out and fried the mobo and cpu
The cheese graters are scarily reliable and last for years! My 16 year old 1,1 still works perfectly running El Capitan and latest Debian with KDE Plasma
You should have used the Bootcamp partition - Bootcamp is Apple's way to get Windows on a Mac. I know you can get a flash for Mac RX 5700 XT. So please do a part 2 with my suggetions!
If you fully upgrade Mac OS to the newest compatible version, Boot Camp isn't an option on the Mac Pro. Instead, you download the drivers and dual boot. In my case, I have 2 physical SSDs that I swap for the dual boot.
I’ve held onto mine simply for the case design being a work of art
We need more Mac videos
We had one of these Mac Pros at work years ago, the internal design was top notch.
Das imac g3
Must have been thermal throttling with the side cover off because it can't cool the cpu that way.
Yeah I don’t know why they kept the side panel off since I’m pretty sure the motherboard can detect when the side panel is not present, modifying the fan curve
I know on the dual processor one it has small fans in the heat sink for the cpu
inside the heatsink there are 2 fans just for the cpu and the northbridge.
I got one of these about a year ago, Very basic setup but I researched it a lot before I got it. It had a single processor 2.4 Ghz, 16 GB ram and the original GPU, an 1 Tb hdd. Now it has dual 3.46 processor 6 cores each 12 threads, 64 Gb ddr3 1333 Ram. Radeon 580 8 gb GPU flash to Mac so I get the Mac startup screen. Dual Pci-e Card with 2 tb NVME that is my Mac startup disk, 2 Tb ssd with a stand alone install on Windows 10. 3 6Tb Hdd's, and a USB 3.1/USB-C PCI-e card. I used Open Core Legacy Patched and installed Big Sur, plus I have bootable copies on High Sierra, and Mojave.
Using my window boot I can play any game I have had loaded from Steam and World of Warships, also World of Tanks on both Windows and Mac.
These old Mac actually really great I actually have one really decked out with 128gb of ram and two xenon 3.33 and two Ssd and AMD frontier edition 64 with 16gb that has windows 10 and if I’m not mistaken you can use other breakfast cards also and with open core you can also get Monterey on there. If you guys have any questions more than willing to answer.
You haven’t given this machine a fair shake with the proper upgrades.
That cheese grater chasis can support a much more powerful graphics card, 128 gig of ram, and a 12 core processor. That machine can be made to perform really well.
These systems were cool in the day. They never really gamed but with added ram could perform. I dont remember them having more than 2 Ram Dims
There are 4 per cpu
The hard drives probably worth more than t he Mac itself. I have the Dual G5 version of this tower and I just LOVED the design of the computer when you opened the cover. Otherwise, its just a paperweight right now. Was a beast back in the early 2000's but now struggles to surf the web.
I built my very first pc yesterday and your build guides and videos were the only thing that kept me alive while wiring it
Cable menacing ur build is the worst
Noice
You could install macOS El Capitan you just have to unplug the Ethernet and set the date to 2017. you can set the date to 2017 in terminal (Mac’s version of command prompt)
I have an '09 MacBook pro (mid 2009) with 2.53ghz Dual-Core cpu. 8 gig dual channel ram and 240 gig Inland ssd. I use for school daily. Solid.
what OS? i have one collecting dust
@@juanshaftpatel7488 I have El Capitan and Mojave on there.
@@hovanthecool1995 i should dig it out..
the screen took a dump.. but i def have a 256 ssd in there...
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You should upgrade the pc to it's max potential and compare it to a newer mac book pro.
That was an amazing video and I feel like I can actually get started using soft soft. Thank you so much!
Wow, the internals of that PC look amazingly well designed for both ease of access and upgradability. The only things that come close today would be the Intel NUC Extremes from the last few years, but even the internals of those don't look anywhere near as pretty as the inside of that Mac.
The artifacts are likely because of the GPU's lack of support for Monterey. It has no metal support either. I have a Mac Pro with a X5680 and a Vega 56 and it has no artifacting issues like that at all.
everytime i think of a video that i want to see you guys do, its like you can read my mind and its done! Love the content! ill continue to be here everyday for the next video.
I still use a 2013 Trash Can Mac Pro and its still fast, mine has a 1TB NVME SSD, 64GB RAM and a 12 Core Xeon.
Man, I would have loved to see y'all install Linux on it with all the issues you were having with the latest macOS to see if Linux could have brought some life to it 😂
Linux would've definitely supported the hardware, but somebody paid way too much for that computer to run Linux on it :P
My pc is like 17-18 years old and it still works like a charm. I can run Minecraft at around 80-86 fps average
I use one of these daily. I currently run Big Sur but these will run Mojave natively with a better GPU that what y’all have installed.
-Dual 6 core Xeon X5690
-64GB of RAM
-Sapphire Pulse RX 580
-NVME on PCIe boot drive
-Six 1TB SATA drives in a RAID0 for video editing
-10Gbe NIC
I don’t do a lot of gaming on my but you can get a lot more performance out of them than what this video shows.
Take a RAM dim out of each row, run 48GB in triple channel and you'll get a performance boost.
These macs can run the rx 6600 with some flashing, really has a ton of potential with upgradeability still
I find it interesting how many people are here trying to defend a mac that has less usability than an old laptop of the same year.... It's actually hysterical to think that I can put Windows on a laptop from 2009 easier than one can put a new Mac OS on one of the most high-end premium models of the same year.
I will say if toasty Bros was smart they would flash Linux on this machine and then see what it's capable of. I think it'd be very interesting to see steamos run on a premium Macintosh from the early 2000s. Let alone the potential for steam link. I wonder if this Macintosh could stream 4K from a more modern computer somewhere else. Over steam link.
Wouldn't that be a huge CPU bottleneck.
@@Dictatortot-n3d yes, absolutely
I haven’t seen one of those since I was at Fullsail
I had those exact problems trying to game on these
You can update the GPU to at least Navi 1 if not Navi 2 on these.
This generation of Mac Pros were so over-engineered. The side panel sealed so that air couldn't leak out around the chassis. Opening one up brand new back then was like opening the hood of something like a SL AMG because of the beauty covers... except the covers in these PowerMacs were actually functional. There was nothing in the PC space like this at the time, either for looks or sheer prices.
One of the things to look for with Mac OS install issues is the drives... If you're using an old SSD with a more modern version of Mac OS, it will either be rough, or it will just destroy the drive. It literally happened multiple times for me... I've not had good fortune with aftermarket SSDs and MacOS past El Capitan. Also, GPUs for Macs were a little different than their PC brethren, so it could be that something with the engine in CS:GO that doesn't work with the GPU in there... also, the GPU could just be not long for this world. That being said, you could install an older version of MacOS (Mavericks might be ideal for this one) or even Linux, and it can be a really pretty server box for a while longer before it's totally eWaste.
I bought one of these pretty bone stock from Apple in 2011....beefed it up to a 12 core 64GB running a RX 580 on it and its pretty fun. Currently playing Psychonauts 2 on 1440p at about 55-60FPS. i want to upgrade but it def holds up still. got through the last 2 TombRaiders on decent 1080p settings
Love the vid you guys are amazing
Their age shows because they didn’t know FireWire 😂
My pops got this pc in the lounge... Using windows though cause Apple ain't it🤣
i use mine that i got for $20 with 32gb ram to host a ton of different servers for minecraft, quake, tf2, other stuff. good machine! mine's a 2009 but identifies as a 2010 thanks to a cool little rom hack
gaming on 5,1 W10 works just fine with an RX580.
tNice tutorials is how an editing software beginner tutorial is done. tNice tutorials video is a standard for all editing software tutorials
I own the dual Xeon firmware modded to 2012 version Mac Pro with 32 gb of Ram in 4 sticks. I tried to game on both Mac and Windows but wasn't really successful. I even put in an AMD 5600xt. I have retired my Mac Pro and don't use it anymore. Instead, I now use a custom AMD 3600 plus the 5600xt system now.
can u sell it to me?
There's really more to say about this computer than what's in the video.
I use it myself in a dual PC setup as a streaming computer.
Xeon X5690, 48GB DDR3 RAM, RX 6600 XT and NVME SSD with Monterey and it is a very good computer. Even Warzone and Windows 10 works with about 110 FPS on 1080.... Just as an example.
Costs:
Mac Pro 150 €, CPU 40 €, 48GB RAM 40 €, 500GB NVME 40 €, RX 6600 XT 400 €, USB 3.2 30 €.
700 € for a straming Mac is ok. Streaming works without problems. You can simply install SATA hard disks.
For me still a very good computer and in the video is not really shown what is possible with it.
Use the afterburner and see how much GPU is being used, the GPU is too overkill for this CPU, should have bought a used $200 Pc instead of $150 MAC and bought RX6600 non-XT. i3 10th gen is way faster than X5690 and can be found below $100.
LoL that’s my computer I just escaped from
For once I can *finally* say I have a better pc than this Thank you Toasty Bros!
Real talk, why did you not just put Win 10 on this?? It's super easy to put almost any OS on a Mac. I'm running Manjaro on my macbook air and it's an excellent combo.
Manjaro is a great os, especially with KDE plasma desktop environment. If only getting wifi drivers to work weren't such a pain in the ass, but I figured it out eventually
Real response, on this model of Mac Pro, the Windows installer has some issues actually loading/Windows booting. Something you can do to generally fix it is to actually update the firmware on the motherboard to the next year's Mac Pro. However at that time, I had already used OpenCore, and I would've needed to downgrade to El Capitan to flash the firmware. Unfortunately I was under a pretty big time crunch and didn't have time to either update the BIOS, or see if there was anything else I could do to get Windows working correctly. I didn't try installing Linux but I'm sure it would've worked great (NixOS user myself). Windows 11 technically was on the second partition of the SSD (which was split in half), it just didn't work. So basically, the answer is time.
- Tech Support Friend
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Yeah, that is true, I have the KDE Plasma environment on mine. I had one laptop where I could not get the wifi working no matter what.
I wish I had a good gaming PC, im using my phone since I was born man
I remember I wanted one of these so bad. I’d be curious if El Capitan is the farthest that it will update. I have a 2011 MacBook Pro and that thing still kicks right over as compared to my 2019 Acer Preditor which died within a couple years.
How are you going to be RUclipsrs and NOT know what a FireWire port is?? 😂
It doesn’t matter they still make more money than u ever will stop hating
yo a 1tb wd black i want one! My 512 GB WD Green sucks like it REALLY sucks
also i wanna see you try out windows on that machine
Guess the tech support installed Monterey with the dosdude patcher but they should’ve tried high Sierra instead
Can you do a review of the next starter pro?
el capitan has a time bomb in the instal file just disconnect the mac from the net and set the date back to 2016 and it will install
i think you should check the gpu compatibility list of mac os
A Mac video what?!?!?! Yay!!
i had 4.1 and 5.1 macs , i put 2x 6 core (12ores) processors and rx 580 , i game everiy game and this computer do it very well but after star citizen not start because processor is to old i stop with mac pro like my daily driver pc and also gaming pc. I use it more in Windows 10 but you cvan put also Catalina Mac Os there with dosdude patch. Very good computer. You can buy it cheap and easy upgrade, strong machine even now this years. Maine was with 2 cpu's. One cpus mac are not worth.
Hey what keyboard you guys use the pink keyboard one haha just askin cuz I like the pink colour so
You left apps running in the background while running the benchmarks.
tested on ios12 as well. so far it's good to use
Dang these guys really have everything love you’re vids
One measly spill of a drink
You should do trying to do "playing on a Mac from 2023
I've had this problem multiple times tying to get people's macs working again. What I've done in the past was install Sierra instead of El captain and that worked and I could update to el captain from their. 🔥
Mac OS install images have a time based certificate, so El Capitan would error if the install media was old (or just being weird). You can pretty easily install it through the terminal as basically a "Install anyways"
@@collin239 you can just change the date backward and it installs it with no problems.
@@massimodemajo if you know which dates your image was valid for, yes. But doing it through the terminal isn't hard
@@collin239 true.
i have one for music and it can do 720p , i intend to have it for another 10 year cycle if i find a better power supply for my 2009 mac pro
Test the Mac Pro with Fall Guys, ETS2 and Valorant
Man can you solve a problem that my pc having for some weeks it's sometimes suddenly show blue screen of death and automatically goes off and my boot drive vanished from the boot priority menu and i got nothing to boot with but 2 days later it automatically comes back again
Hey toasty bros I’m pretty new to your guys channel but was wondering if you guys can do a build around the Radeon rx 580 8gb graphics card I have one from a parts pc I have and don’t know what good parts to get to get the most out of it
The mac pro 5, 1's rocked!
This was a 4,1
You need a GPU that is not an HD 4870. Maybe a 7950 mac edition?
Give this to Actionretro. He does awesome stuff with old Macs. As for me, I had luck with putting Linux on old unsupported intel macs. Windows 10 may Work, too, but you have to hunt for the drivers.
Computer guys who don't know what a FireWire port is?! Oof..
Should have launched boot camp and played windows games on it
I need to see u guys upgrade it as much as possible, maybe even MacGyver a newer gpu thru a riser cable??? Gotta see this thing get the 2022 upgrade makeover!
Most AMD GPUs will work without flashing the card. That said, non flashed cards only display starting at the log on screen. I didn't flash my 5600xt and it worked fine for the limited time I used it with the Mac.
Good work
Yea macs are op my fren has 12 yr cold mac and it can run mc at 120 fps with shades and at 600 fps with specific vid setingd
0:49 where can i get one these pcs i really need one my one is really crap its like 3 years old
Hey is the icore3 12 gen good whift a 1660 gpu good?
This is how my hp labtop is and I got it I think 2 years ago can't even play the .io games 😅
It was a beast at its time.
I have 6800xt paired with it and x5680 dual CPUs and it's great even for 4k gaming. You've just done review on something you know nothing about.
I would play minecraft on it :) sodium mod helps fps
what are the frames on it
Wow, Seth Rogen does tech vlogs? Great.
I got a question. So the pc that you have built on your website is it ready to go. Or do I need to add stuff to the pc in order to have it working?
They sell pre-builts. They're game ready. They're kinda expensive though. If you really want one and it's in your budget go ahead
You forgot to put a metal support GPU in
im watching this on a MacBook Air from 2012
it never ceases to amaze me the ignorance of some self-proclaimed pc techies... why didn't you just install win10 off a Usb drive??
These bros make the impossible possible
It's funny watching this video, since my whole family has used Mac for my whole life, and I might be the first one to switch to PC. I have an old 2009 Mac Pro that I use for some light gaming. It has 2 4-core Xeon processors. The thing is like an old man, as it sounds like a server when it starts up and has some weird quirks. My dad (the previous owner) upgraded it with an rx 560 and 14 gigs of ram (my dad had 8 gigs, but then put 6 1-gig DDR3 1066 mHz dimms. Seems like a waste of slots), and it performs decently well. I have been thinking of getting a pc, though, because I do have an M1 Macbook air but it thermal throttles when I game, and the Mac Pro is too old to do heavy gaming (like Minecraft with shaders or any windows games, since I tried everything but couldn't get windows 10 to work, even after modding Bootcamp). Also, yes, there is no boot screen because of the graphics card. Also also, it sounds like a jet engine if you put the fans at max speed which is funny. I do like the design, and it's so fascinating as it's the only Mac computer that can be truly upgraded (having no screws for components like ram, cpu, and graphics. Most old macs can only have the ssd's and ram changed). The most stable version I have is Mojave 10.14 (and I forget the revision). After that you get sleep and graphics issues. The reason you couldn't install El Capitan when you reset it was because you have to wipe and reinstall with the MacOS that was shipped with it... as I learned the hard way. You need to get a disc of Snow Leopard, wait for the slow dvd to transfer, and incredmentally upgrade from that all the way to the version you want. It takes about 2 hours. Also, there is at least 1 fan in the heatsink. In the dual-cpu model there's a "boost" fan in the heatsinks for each cpu ("BOOST_A" and "BOOST_B" according to Macs Fan Control) My dad used it for 13 years for composing and writing music. I remember coming into his office and it would be a few degrees hotter because that thing is a literal furnace with 2 cpus and a graphics card. It seems like a dinosaur now, but for a computer to have a life of 13 years is pretty insane. Between the 2 of us, I think our Mac Pro had a very nice, long life
Your issue is your slow CPUs. Upgrade them to dual x5690 CPUs and it will be FAR faster. Night and day difference. Also make sure you have 1333 RAM in there, not the 1066 stuff for the new CPU. You can get those CPUs for next to nothing now.
With Opencore you can do a full upgrade to the Latest OS. I had Linux Mint installed on a M.2. Drive (via card) . I used to have Windows 10 on mine, and I've played many games on it. That Power supply is also really good. Also, to get into bootcamp click on the settings icon....then you can choose your boot drive. You can also, restart, and press the option key, and choose boot drive that way as well.
I installed the latest OS with Opencore but it just doesn't work that well. Too many incompatibility issues. I recommend people stick with Catalina. It has no issues at all plus you aren't missing out on anything IMO.
@@gametime2473 Do you have a Metal graphics card? That's probably where the issue lies, I have a 2009 running Monterey right now smooth as butter
@@vb7200 Cool. It might be that it is an NVIDIA metal card. It's an NVIDIA 730 I think. I used to have a 580 in there but I don't need the GPU power anymore since I game on my PC and only use my Mac for music production. This card was like 25 bucks and is metal capable. It's super fast and smooth on Catalina but Big Sur and Monterrey were not great. My music apps were where most of my issues came from.
@@gametime2473 Yeah nVidia and apple unfortunately do not mix well. They removed the drivers I believe in Catalina or High Sierra I can’t remember. I have an RX 580 and granted that’s no screamer, it’s bounds ahead of my 2015 Mac Book Pro that I was using before it,
A 13 year old pc runs Minecraft better than my pc
Need help I am using a mid range pc
Prosseser:Core i5-11400
Ram:8(single stick)
Graphic card: GTX1650
When I play any game on my pc it's stutter a lot I have tried (watch dog 2) (sekiro) (farcry 3) and if I lower the resolution like medium or lower it doesn't help at all. performance of the game r same no matter what I do can any one know any solution or what the reason is
The rest of your specs are perfectly fine for those games, your issue is most likely the single stick of ram. If you changed it to 2x4 or 2x8 you'd most likely eliminate the stutter
Hello,
Can you tell me more about the PC? Can you try out MSI afterburner?
@@Dictatortot-n3d thanks for you advise I will try that out
@@tweakz_tech sir can you please explain what you wrote here because I am not that knowledgeable about pc if you kindly explain that to me I think it will help
@@stagezonestg4017 MSI afterburner is a program that allows you to monitor your system temps and framerates while gaming. You Can set what you need in the settings of the program. Also, do you have your games installed on SSD or HDD?
Haven't watched the video but if it can run 1.19 minecraft at 30 fps without optifine id be impressed
I want to buy it but cant find on website
How about the power mac g5?
Another amazing video
Your using big sur and they do not support ATI graphic card if you do high Sierra you will have much better experience
That's Monterey, but yes High Sierra would've been a much better choice.
Funny, I have to deal with the best Macbook from 2012