In order of appearance, all ready to ride: Sidewinder 162 643lbs Alpha One 154 540lbs Summit 154 w/Shot 551lbs Pro RMK 155 519lbs Assault 155 518lbs Pro RMK 600 155 506lbs Pro RMK 850 163 513lbs Pro RMK 850 155 510lbs YZ450F Timbersled 137 aero kit w/air shocks 318lbs
Be nice if they compared equal sleds . All turbo, all 3" lugs, and all 162 or 163" tracks. Most of the sleds aren't electric start or reverse. But polaris sleds and riders need every advantage they can get just to keep up.
Too bad they didn't list a summary in the description. These are the weights in the order as I watched the video. 643,540,551,519,518,506,513,510,318. just count along left to right to know what it weighs.
put them all to the test in the deep snow in the mountains? for a full week !! 8 hours a day for 7 days straight, throttle to the bar !! see which sled is the best and which one will last !! we will know then which sled is reliable and which one is junk!!
Personally I've always ridden Polaris. I rode a ski doo 800 with a 174 track two years ago and was impressed. That thing was a beast, ive seen all the sleds break at one time or another. But it always seemed like the cat guys had the most problems when we were riding with them. Never had problems with any of my polaris's, and haven't seen anything bad with ski doos either. You have to go out and ride for awhile before you make a decision on which sleds are the best, dont just read that they are terrible and write them off. Right now I ride a 08 700 dragon and love it. Always runs strong and ive never had a problem with it. I have been thinking about buying a new ski-doo though. Just to try something different, but i dont think I would ever buy a cat or yamaha for snowmobiling. Yamaha makes great motorcycles but they have fallen out in the snow world. Just my opinion
Well I have a 09 ,144 nytro with upgrades. Up in Maine this week on good trails running with a lot of new sleds and all they could say that thing goes good. Dam right. And I got the videos to prove it . my point is with the right set up can fly.
@@MrSprintcat That's very true, but here in the northwest its more about mountain sleds than flatlanders. And it just seems like yamaha and cat could never really make a good mountain sled.
Ooof, I'm bummed out that the Alpha One weights so much. I checked them out at Princeton drags this summer and was shocked how easy it was to tip over compared to a conventional two rail skid.
Thanks for doing this, alot better real world numbers then the back of the Polaris brochure, 408lbs for a 2018 RMK Pro 800 155" quick drive is pretty crazy though
You'd think Yamaha could get the weight of that sled down. Like 100lbs of it. Heavy dam. I had a Yamaha Nitro Turbo. Lots of power but fkn heavy and an absolute dog to ride. Reliable but just too heavy with bad weight displacement. Seems things haven't changed.
No doubt the polaris is the lightest by a long shot but I have to wonder if it is at the cost of reliability or toughness. sometimes having a tad more weight where it counts is better.
@Troy Sawyers So not wanting to pay 13k for a sled means your broke ? Let me guess you have one of these sitting in your garage with still no snow on the ground in mid January LOL
Polaris in my opinion is always been the worst but on the bright side anyone who has a Polaris could easily just by a ski-doo or a cat.. hehehe I love stirring the pot I hope everyone has a kick-ass winner this season
Csohio....I ride with some people who have arctic cats an they have a lot of top end,when they are running.Seem to break a lot.My polaris indy is an awsome trail sled and a rocket ship in the trails.
Weights don't mean nothing on the floor, go ride them in backcountry for at least an hour fill them up and weigh. You know who wins!! Blackcats already did this lol
The oil tanks are completely topped off, it may have been able to hold another ounce, possibly two but that's all. We tried to make this as fair and honest as possible, if you watch the video closely you can see it at the top as we tap the tank.
Lighter than the doo with only the 2.5" track. I wonder how the Cat would stack up against the Polaris in the long tracks, being that the Cat skid and track are lighter than Polaris. Belt drive is saving Polaris some decent weight and pretty sure you can buy and Cat and put a belt drive on for less than you can buy the Polaris 850. Haven't checked pricing, but Polaris is typically a grand more than Cat.
@@AndrewSmith-kz5pc The top of the line 850 is quite a bit more if I remember correctly though isn't it? Comparing a entry level 850 to the Alpha isn't really an even comparison.
Because they're a yamaha and polaris dealership. Which one do you see on the snow far more? Which one do people actually buy? Which one is at the top of the sales and which one is at the bottom? Yamaha mountain sleds are irrelevant. Im on a 2018 Doo 850 Btw.
@@jasonhunt9665 Cats have the biggest tank, the skidoo only holds 9.5gal compared to the cats 11.7gal. So the cat has an extra 10-12lbs just in gas weight.
@@RavingBob You actually like T motion? I hated it when sidehilling in the trees, had to fight the same thing to stay up the whole time, on setup snow it's no good for me.
Awesome Andrew, thanks for putting this together. Super useful to have real world info to help make decisions. With certain types of riding you may not notice an extra 30lbs, but when you're stuck in a drainage your friends won't venture into and you have to get unstuck yourself, believe me, you know about 30 extra lbs. Love my axys. Hate it when my buddy gets his ski doo 850 stuck. Sometimes I pretend I don't see him and keep riding.
The new ski doo summit x expert package 154" was weighed to 535 pounds 🤩 the normal summit x according to ski doo weighs around 9 pounds less to the SP
@@davekamalas2537 Sure, its a well known fact that a part weighs less if its cheaper. Though that being said I don't see many broken cats or ski-doos, its the polarises that eat pistons it seems (data from the local mechanic who deals with replacement pistons, 2/3 of the business is polaris pistons, 1/10 is cat, and they have roughly equal market share here).
@manaze The summit X model is 8 lbs lighter than the Sp model they weighted and the Shot start system is almost 15 lbs! That means the Summit is about 15 lbs lighter than the Cat!
Yahmaha Sidewinder turbo 163 - 643 lbs
Artic Cat Alpha 800 Oil and Fuel 154 - 540 lbs
Ski-Doo 850 sp 154 Shot start Oil and Fuel - 551 lbs
Polaris RMK pro 3” Oil and Fuel 155 - 519 lbs
Polaris Assault 800 155 - 518 lbs
Polaris 800 rmk 2019 162 2.6” - 513 lbs
2019 Polaris 850 Oil and Fuel 155 3” - 510 lbs
I wish I found your text before I had to skip though the whole boring video !!!! thanks
Bless you good man
Brett McCormack...Everything is lighter when you use plastic where metal should be used! Lol JK...have to harass the Polaris guys.
Brett McCormack you ride?!
Thumbs up please so you don't have to watch the whole video:
Yamaha Sidewinder 162: 643lbs
Arctic Cat Alpha 154: 542lbs
Ski-Doo 850 Summit SP 154 (w/ shot start): 551lbs
Polaris Pro RMK 3" 155 (w/ chain case): 519lbs
Polaris Assault 800 155: 518lbs
Polaris Pro RMK 600 155 Axys: 506lbs
Polaris Pro RMK 800 163 Axys: 513lbs
Polaris Pro RMK 850 155 Axys: 510lbs
Yamaha YZ450 w/Timbersled kit: 318lbs
Thanks for doing this guys! We all appreciate it.
Cheers, ride safe.
Next time whistles doesnt get to film.
first thing I noticed. A Fucking nose whistle. Jesus.
😂
I noticed from he start. Fuck toy camera guy! AKA “whistles”
Cheesey McCheese...Haha at first I was like what the hell is that noise?? Jesus Christ dude!
If you include the weight of all the spare parts you'll need to take with you, yamaha will be the lightest by far
That’s true. You need a spare engine with the poo’s and the doo’s. With the cat you need a spare skid rail and probably track lol
Ha Ha, you guys are funny.
Toped off with coolant as well? Would like to point out not once did they start bashing the other brands. Which is a nice change
All sleds full of coolant.
In order of appearance, all ready to ride:
Sidewinder 162 643lbs
Alpha One 154 540lbs
Summit 154 w/Shot 551lbs
Pro RMK 155 519lbs
Assault 155 518lbs
Pro RMK 600 155 506lbs
Pro RMK 850 163 513lbs
Pro RMK 850 155 510lbs
YZ450F Timbersled 137 aero kit w/air shocks 318lbs
actually impressed with the yamaha weight since it's fuel and oil...
Thx guys this is awesome information. It’s RIDICULOUS manufacturers don’t all have a baseline and list dry weight in same conditions
Every sled manufacturer is different, no one is perfect, neither is anyone bad. It all comes down to personal preference these days.
20 years ago it was a different story tho, but you are very correct.
unless you want to win an rmsha race haha I'll take preference :winning
Is it me or did anyone else notice how balanced the Alpha was during the lift?
It did hang about perfect, eh?
I also noticed and thought about that no one in the video commented on it.
Be nice if they compared equal sleds . All turbo, all 3" lugs, and all 162 or 163" tracks. Most of the sleds aren't electric start or reverse. But polaris sleds and riders need every advantage they can get just to keep up.
Brian Chezik humm bet whatever your riding won’t touch my bone stock 850 RMK
@@braap907backcountry6 but the summit has been benched and it beat the Polaris 🙈
Braap 907 Back country Bet my stock 850 summit would give it a run for its money any hill any snow condition
Now take them out for the day in the powder, refill them, and weigh them.
Too bad they didn't list a summary in the description. These are the weights in the order as I watched the video. 643,540,551,519,518,506,513,510,318. just count along left to right to know what it weighs.
Would like to see them up against some old specs like from the 90s maybe zrt xcr machz phaser etc
put them all to the test in the deep snow in the mountains? for a full week !! 8 hours a day for 7 days straight, throttle to the bar !! see which sled is the best and which one will last !! we will know then which sled is reliable and which one is junk!!
Raid101 Brown skidoo is the worst one
Raid101 Brown ..Well is any of them break after just 7 days they’re junk.
I’d like to see a 900 turbo Renegade XRS weighed.
Any chance you guys have an sks 146 800 you could weigh rtr? Would love to see what they weigh in at.
I was looking for the same thing lol
About 45-50lbs heavier than the Pro 155 i would guess.
Thanks guys this is an awesome comparison!
Can someone come at me with facts Why polaris is so light and remarkably fucking superiour, whats the secret?
man, all these butthurt brp owners. ive tired a summit 850 and its fucking junk.
thanks for doing this, im BIG on weight, almost more emphasis on weight savings that anything else to me
Besides the women you date? Totally kidding man, but I couldn’t resist.
643 Yamaha Sidewinder 162/3
540 AC Alpha
551 Ski-Doo 850 Summit SP 154
519 Polaris Pro RMK 155"/3" (chain-case)
518 Polaris Assualt 800 155"/2.6"
506 Polaris Pro RMK 600 155" (no electric start)
513 Polaris Pro RMK 800 155" (belt drive)
510 Polaris Pro RMK 850 155" (belt drive)
318 Timbersled
sets Yamaha down.. THUD lol
I WANT that red Pro 850 or Alpha. So sick!!
How about new sleds today? Anybody have some numbers
put playback speed at 1.75 to save 3 min.
Sidewinder Turbo 162 (643 LBS)
Alpha One 800 154 (542 LBS)
Summit SP 850 154 Shot start (551 LBS)
Pro RMK 800 Chain case 155 (519 LBS)
Assault 800 155 (518 LBS)
Pro RMK 600 155 (506 LBS)
Pro RMK 800 163 (513 LBS)
Pro RMK 850 155 (510 LBS)
YZ 450 Timbersled 137 (318 LBS)
Personally I've always ridden Polaris. I rode a ski doo 800 with a 174 track two years ago and was impressed. That thing was a beast, ive seen all the sleds break at one time or another. But it always seemed like the cat guys had the most problems when we were riding with them. Never had problems with any of my polaris's, and haven't seen anything bad with ski doos either. You have to go out and ride for awhile before you make a decision on which sleds are the best, dont just read that they are terrible and write them off. Right now I ride a 08 700 dragon and love it. Always runs strong and ive never had a problem with it. I have been thinking about buying a new ski-doo though. Just to try something different, but i dont think I would ever buy a cat or yamaha for snowmobiling. Yamaha makes great motorcycles but they have fallen out in the snow world. Just my opinion
Well I have a 09 ,144 nytro with upgrades. Up in Maine this week on good trails running with a lot of new sleds and all they could say that thing goes good. Dam right. And I got the videos to prove it . my point is with the right set up can fly.
@@MrSprintcat That's very true, but here in the northwest its more about mountain sleds than flatlanders. And it just seems like yamaha and cat could never really make a good mountain sled.
Ooof, I'm bummed out that the Alpha One weights so much. I checked them out at Princeton drags this summer and was shocked how easy it was to tip over compared to a conventional two rail skid.
Summit was heavier.
Lightest when stuck is the Alpha because the skid dosen't fill with snow
Seemed to be super balanced when they did the pick up as well
Great vid lookin at buying 2020-2021 Axys 155 2.6in belt drive 800. Is there a difference in weight between same sled with 800 vs 850?
Great stuff! That yammy was heavy!
Thanks for doing this, alot better real world numbers then the back of the Polaris brochure, 408lbs for a 2018 RMK Pro 800 155" quick drive is pretty crazy though
The Polaris numbers are dry weight in optimal condition.... Everything is bone dry.... Amazing how much weight oil, gas, and shock oil adds
DRY WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You'd think Yamaha could get the weight of that sled down. Like 100lbs of it. Heavy dam. I had a Yamaha Nitro Turbo. Lots of power but fkn heavy and an absolute dog to ride. Reliable but just too heavy with bad weight displacement. Seems things haven't changed.
Most timbersled riders I know ride 120 skids without a trio. That knocks off another 10 or so pounds down to 305-ish.
Your camera guy ruined the video! I cooks not stand listening to mr. Whistles in the back. Huge fail.
No doubt the polaris is the lightest by a long shot but I have to wonder if it is at the cost of reliability or toughness. sometimes having a tad more weight where it counts is better.
LOL paying 13k for a sled ! I'm glad I got out when I did in 2006
@Troy Sawyers So not wanting to pay 13k for a sled means your broke ? Let me guess you have one of these sitting in your garage with still no snow on the ground in mid January LOL
@Troy Sawyers all good I appreciate you clearing that up you get alot of people saying fked up comments over nothing on here
Polaris in my opinion is always been the worst but on the bright side anyone who has a Polaris could easily just by a ski-doo or a cat.. hehehe I love stirring the pot I hope everyone has a kick-ass winner this season
Thanks for your Service but wish you could have printed results..
Csohio....I ride with some people who have arctic cats an they have a lot of top end,when they are running.Seem to break a lot.My polaris indy is an awsome trail sled and a rocket ship in the trails.
Weights don't mean nothing on the floor, go ride them in backcountry for at least an hour fill them up and weigh. You know who wins!! Blackcats already did this lol
what you mean ?
Awesome thanks
Not sure what's more annoying...the nose whistling camera guy, or an almost empty oil tank and the guy standing there saying it's full. It's a toss up
Brett McNary or the fact that they had to weigh 5 Polaris sleds🤔
apperently you need glasses, because the oil tank was full....
lol dude the nose whistling had me pissed the entire time
Oil was on add line
The oil tanks are completely topped off, it may have been able to hold another ounce, possibly two but that's all. We tried to make this as fair and honest as possible, if you watch the video closely you can see it at the top as we tap the tank.
Use the lightest of all brands. Sp is not the lightest lol
notice he doesn't say wether the polaris have oil and fuel in them lol.. also the alpha was the most balanced of all of them
Yes all the sleds are completely topped off with oil and fuel.
It looked like the Poo was the most balanced.. watch the video again... look how the straps are set up
Awesome video! Appreciate it a ton!
why the carbides on the seats ??
now all you need to do is a tree test and watch the bulk head of the ski-doo and the Polaris go boom. I stick to my hardcore, but thanks for the video
Got to be one of the dumbest posts ever!
You need weigh a pro after it's been upgraded with tunnel stiffeners etc to be as strong as the Cat lol
Cats are still heavy as hell tho
Lighter than the doo with only the 2.5" track. I wonder how the Cat would stack up against the Polaris in the long tracks, being that the Cat skid and track are lighter than Polaris. Belt drive is saving Polaris some decent weight and pretty sure you can buy and Cat and put a belt drive on for less than you can buy the Polaris 850. Haven't checked pricing, but Polaris is typically a grand more than Cat.
Polaris 800 start at 12,899 and the 850 starts at 13,599, which I believe is cheaper msrp on the cat comparable model.
@@AndrewSmith-kz5pc The top of the line 850 is quite a bit more if I remember correctly though isn't it? Comparing a entry level 850 to the Alpha isn't really an even comparison.
I said comparable model, not alpha to fully loaded rmk. Trying to keep it apples to apples for everyone.
I wonder why they weighed so many Polaris models but didn't do the same for the other brands?
You related to the Lutz’s in bend Oregon
@@jefftuttle9530 It's possible far down the line but my Lutz side is from Nova Scotia!
They are a polaris dealership. They borrowed the other sleds.
Y didn’t u do any more artic sled or skidoo but u do like 50 Polaris
We are a Polaris and Yamaha dealer so because we have access to those we are able to do more of them.
Because they're a yamaha and polaris dealership. Which one do you see on the snow far more? Which one do people actually buy? Which one is at the top of the sales and which one is at the bottom? Yamaha mountain sleds are irrelevant. Im on a 2018 Doo 850 Btw.
Alpha one have 47.3 liters of gaz (12.5 Gal)
really? that seems awfully big. then again my 13 limited is 46 liter..
+Devan Porter come from Arctic-Cat specification
And a gallon of gas weighs 6lbs....do the math.....thats like 73lbs , wow eh
@@jasonhunt9665 plus a gallon of oil is about 8lbs.
@@jasonhunt9665 Cats have the biggest tank, the skidoo only holds 9.5gal compared to the cats 11.7gal. So the cat has an extra 10-12lbs just in gas weight.
Rmk is king for a reason
King of breaking
New skidoo 850 motor is more developed, has t-motion, and better rider forward position. Rmk is a little lighter and thats pretty much it lol
@@RavingBob i driven a summit 850, it feels like garbage id never buy one.
Rode most of these. Polaris is the best ride.
@@RavingBob You actually like T motion? I hated it when sidehilling in the trees, had to fight the same thing to stay up the whole time, on setup snow it's no good for me.
Awesome Andrew, thanks for putting this together. Super useful to have real world info to help make decisions. With certain types of riding you may not notice an extra 30lbs, but when you're stuck in a drainage your friends won't venture into and you have to get unstuck yourself, believe me, you know about 30 extra lbs. Love my axys. Hate it when my buddy gets his ski doo 850 stuck. Sometimes I pretend I don't see him and keep riding.
(All sleds topped with fuel& oil)
Yamaha sidewinder turbo 162: 643lbs
Artic cat alpha 154: 540lbs
Skidoo 850 summit sp 154: 551lbs
Polaris pro rmk 3” 155: 519lbs
Polaris assault 800 155: 518lbs
Polaris 600 rmk 155: 506lbs
2019 Polaris 800 rmk 163: 513lbs
2019 Polaris 850 rmk 155: 510lbs
The new ski doo summit x expert package 154" was weighed to 535 pounds 🤩 the normal summit x according to ski doo weighs around 9 pounds less to the SP
Great video. Thanks guys. Surprised to see the cat 10 pounds lighter than the doo.
Cheaper parts thinner steel on the cats .
the cats also use 3m epoxy in the skid
@@davekamalas2537 false. Try the fact that it has a single I beam skidframe.
@@davekamalas2537 Sure, its a well known fact that a part weighs less if its cheaper. Though that being said I don't see many broken cats or ski-doos, its the polarises that eat pistons it seems (data from the local mechanic who deals with replacement pistons, 2/3 of the business is polaris pistons, 1/10 is cat, and they have roughly equal market share here).
@manaze The summit X model is 8 lbs lighter than the Sp model they weighted and the Shot start system is almost 15 lbs! That means the Summit is about 15 lbs lighter than the Cat!
Yamaha 4 stroke lightest of the bunch!
100lbs more than the doo.140lbs more than the rmk
@@scottromero4004 the Yamaha was 318...
@@hondarevable snowbike,haha.2 of those weigh less than a sidewinder
Lol gotcha
Got the best engine , most power and tuning potential.
Who would buy a 643 pound pig?
Yamaha's sled aren't worth shit m8
Obviously you don’t know shit about sleds if your still on an M8.