Boeing Starliner: Is the Hate Justified? 🚀 Jetstreams & Rocket Dreams Podcast Episode 1
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Welcome to the Overlook Horizon ( / olhzn ) Jetstreams and Rocket Dreams podcast! In this episode, dive into the Boeing Starliner program with your host, Tory, exploring its history, challenges, and comparisons to SpaceX's Crew Dragon. We'll discuss the importance of NASA's Commercial Crew Program, the CST-100 spacecraft, and the need for multiple providers for crewed space missions. We'll highlight some of the Boeing Starliner milestones and challenges, cover the issues encountered during the Orbital Flight Test (OFT) missions, and explain the delay between OFT-2 and the upcoming Crew Flight Test (CFT). We compare the CFT to SpaceX's Crew Dragon, examine both programs' costs and funding, and address common criticisms of Boeing. Additionally, we explore the differences between Boeing's airplane and spaceflight divisions, emphasizing the significance of having multiple providers for crewed missions. Packed with detailed analysis and expert insights, this episode is a must-listen for space enthusiasts. Subscribe to the Overlook Horizon podcast for more episodes on spaceflight, weather balloons, weather, and aviation.
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(00:00) Opening
(01:15) Intro
(01:49) The Boeing Hate
(07:55) Multiple Crew Launch Providers
(10:52) The lead-up to Boeing CFT
(15:54) Is Load-and-Go Better?
(26:14) Outro
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Great to see you back!
Thank you! 😁
Missed you man! Glad to see you back!
Love to see you back! You're rockin' the beard!
Oh yeah! I'm digging the beard look these days! 🤘
Tory: "You can't skip safety steps."
Boeing: (Looks away awkwardly)
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Great to see you back, really enjoyed your eclipse coverage 😊
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Hey Tori, London England calling! Really enjoyed this post, I will certainly tune in for your input on all things Space travel… dude you have a great voice and manner Radio stations would snap you up in a heartbeat…. Easy listening and totally in flow….catch you next time round 👌🏻✨
Awesome! Thank you!
I love this format!! My kids were asking about you. We watch your videos together!!!❤️🤘🏼 glad you’re back!
Awesome! Thank you! 🙏
Bro! Long time no see! Love it
Hey hey! 🤘
Welcome back!
To answer your question: YES! Other companies can do it cheaper and faster.
Two solid points. Hard to argue with that.
I actually saw the 1st Starliner prototype being machined at a Southern California machine shop back in 2010. So Boeing had been designing it most likely in 2009. So it's 15 years old now.
I hear that one of these days, it'll fly crew too! 😫😭🙃
@@OLHZN I worked at ULA on the adapter for Starliner. The shape of Starliner causes havoc with Centaur. Centaur is essentially a beer can and the dynamics of the air going over Starliner wants to crush that beer can.
Pretty cool that you got to work on it, and that does make a lot of sense. I'm rooting for a great upcoming CFT mission!
Yes, the hate is justified, (this podcast is only out a day, yet launch is already put off from Tuesday the 21st to Saturday the 25th, for that same helium issue), but save some hate for SLS and Orion! Yes, they have vastly different purposes, Starliner is only for LEO/ISS missions, and SLS/Orion is for Moon missions, but I don't see why Orion couldn't be designed to also go to and dock with the ISS as a backup for whatever. There seems to be some duplication of effort here. For the first time ever that I'm aware of, NASA is funding/building TWO crewed programs/vessels at the same time, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of funding available overall. I heard/read many decades ago that "when you get to LEO you're halfway to anywhere" so it seems NASA should only need one crewed launch program, and Spacex already exists as a backup. Orion (also) hasn't had a crewed mission yet, and appears to have its own technical problems. Maybe you should have an episode on "Is The Hate For The SLS/Orion Moon Program Justified?"
The episode didn't even make it a full 24 hours before the launch was delayed again. 😭 Thanks for the episode idea, I like it!! 🤘
Good to see you again, and very glad to hear about your latest podcast... Well done!
Much appreciated!
Good to see you again, 🇮🇳
Thank you! 🙏
hey! good to see ya again.
Hey, thanks!
Welcome back, missed you, great podcast, spicy subject! Will you be doing any balloon launches? I’m in Victor and would love to witness one! (Sometimes look at the HBAL*** tracks on FlightRadar24).
Starliner delay stretches from 21sy May to 25th May.. helium leak.. .. welcome back.
The episode wasn't even out 24 hours before they delayed the launch further 😭
First off, Hello Torrey (taking liberties with the spelling of your name. I have a niece, Victoria, who goes by, "Tori", so I'm making a big separation 😂. Irish ancestry? New sub here. I'll just call you "T" for now, and then look at your landing page.
I've been enjoying your long-format, casual chat style, as well as your knowledge and insight. Man, I was rolling along with you step for step. Right up until the part when you said that you feel that Boeing's aviation program has nothing to do with their 'Space' arm. 'T', lest you forget, Boeing is an aerospace company, period, end of sentence and undeniable and cannot be debated! My gosh man! The buck stops with Calhoun, at least for now. BTW, have you heard about his most recent pay INCREASE?? For what I have no earthly idea idea. Alright then, I'll break this up by replying to my own post (but I won't 'like' it.😏).
I mean, certainly the CEO is ultimately responsible, but beyond that, the airplane and space divisions are practically separate companies. They even have their own Presidents & CEOs separate from Calhoun. I don't think any of the CEOs are the ones making the call on Starliner thruster designs, for example. I'm sure there's a little commonality since it's all under The Boeing Company name, but the vast majority of the operations are separate.
I'm not one to use the word, but I definitely agree that the harsh criticism of BOTH Boeing, and NASA for that matter, is well deserved. Boeing has dug themselves in to a deep hole with no one to blame but themselves. NASA has been their enabler. What they have let them get away with is outrageous and it makes me, as a taxpayer, mad as all get out. It's revolting. They should have, for lack of a better term, let everyone compete against each other - and to the winner goes the spoils. They win the exclusive contract. I fully agree with Elon's statement, "The world doesn't need another capsule. What matters is fully reusable rockets and spacecraft.". Boeing is hapless.
Lots of boomers (a group to which I belong) are very defensive whenever they see Boeing and/or, NASA being criticized. Looking at NASA - they can also be very 'anti-Elon'. What they're failing to recognize is that this government organization formerly known as "NASA", our beloved space agency that successfully developed the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs were the very best of the best. Oh, the pride it gave America! It was the most since WW2, albeit dampened by the Vietnam war.
In my world (IOW, the world that 'exists between my ears'), today's NASA has little to nothing in common with the NASA of today. It's your typical, bloated, mis-managed, grossly inefficient, and on and on, agency. "Everyday Astronaut" had a fantastic rant all about the incredible costs of EVERYTHING! That da*ned mobile launch pad costing $1.5 billion!? Are you kidding me? Is this a bad joke?
Basically, you can layer Boeing right on top of NASA and the similarities are astonishing. Boeing moves and behaves just like a govt agency. They're not the same great American enterprise that developed the groundbreaking 707,737,727,777, and my personal all-time favorite, 747 airplanes.
Don't know why you're being so soft on Boeing the way you are. The Starliner is an abject failure - even if they work out the bugs. It took too long, too many mistakes (some that were unbelievably fundamental, like the flammable wiring. Seriously?), and far too expensive, to be a success at this point.
YES, they have slowly been showing the world how little experience is left at Boeing. Great heritage blemished beyond belief. All the testing failures pointing to inadequate design and materials competency.
Overall this will signal the end of Boeings space division, even their precious SLS won't last too long once Starship and Blue Origin get rocking. Like Boeing said, they will no longer take on fixed price contracts like Starliner again. NASA and the DOD are just about done with Cost+.
The second provider should be Sierra Space Dream Chaser, which was originally the third competitor but was abandoned in favor of... Boeing.
In 2020, the U.S. House of Representatives released its final report on 737 MAX aircraft, blaming Boeing and the FAA for gaps in design, construction and certification. Boeing has agreed to pay more than $2.5 billion after being accused of fraud in connection with the company's deliberate concealment of information from safety regulators: a CRIMINAL fine of $243.6 million, $1.77 billion in compensation for airline customers, and $500 million for a disaster relief fund.
Shockingly, after two fatal crashes that killed hundreds of innocent passengers, Boeing's internal emails mocked both the airline and the FAA. Was Boeing founded by Nazis?🤔
And this is just a tip of the iceberg compared to the number of flaws, failures and errors Starliner produces regularly. A manned Boeing flight test with a defective Starliner capsule is waiting on the pad for a repeat of the Challenger - or Columbia - disaster with the least but not the last helium leak failure.
Are we on the eve of another tragedy caused by the greed of one company?
One of problems with space planes is that a viable abort system would have to demonstrated which is a lot more difficult than for capsules
Perfectly stated. I hadn't seen your comment when I posted mine (more like my rant).
Agree with you 💯
Will Elon Musk repair Starship 4 & launch it back into space proving it reuseable it like a A10 Warthog hard to kill.
The Phoenix arises, Overlook Horizon .... in space.
Welcome Back to the tubes, nice beard.
Boeing building a duplicate of Apollo just like NASA is not innovative or safe. It's nothing more than nostalgic, like Back to the Future. Boeing has no way to reasonably launch Starliner with Disposable Rockets in a Reusable World. Boeing simply couldn't get it together for the purpose of the contract, as ISS will soon be flaming mess of ashes spread across the Pacific Ocean. Sad that NASA likes to trash their last Project as they move on to the next, trashing ISS, trashing Priceless Historical Space Shuttle Parts. Underwater, in the Ocean, instead of the Smithsonian Institute and various other Museums is NASA's preferred method of disposing of old Projects.
ISS needs to be sold and privatized, the first Museum in the first Space City....
I'd suspect that the cost of keeping the ISS going is just too high, even as a space museum. It'll be sad to see it go. I would love to see someone take it over. ☹️
You slimmed down and changed your haircut. What happened to you during your absence? Were you serving time in prison?
Alien abduction 👽👽👽👽
The title is awful. WHO hates a manned capsule? And what is so bad about hating a metal thing anyway?
I don't personally hate Starliner, but there are plenty of people who do hate Starliner for various reasons. Just read through my comments section or Twitter/X for any Boeing topic/video, and you'll find plenty of people saying they hate Starliner, Boeing, etc., and want to trash the program.
*causally uploads after years*
It was 1 year since my last content, not necessarily "years", but yeah... got to start somewhere? 🤷
Omg you are back! I thought something bad happened to you. So happy to see you Tori 🫡
All good. Glad to be back! 😁