Revisiting Ed's Slope: A Follow Up To "An Intense Day On Crib Goch"
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I thought I'd revisit the location of Ed's accident from March to check it out in clear weather and talk a bit more about what happened. Originally I was going to go through lots of people's questions and comments from various forums and websites where my "An Intense Day On Crib Goch" video was linked and shared, responding to them in a detailed and systematic way, but in the end I just went to the slope and rambled on about whatever came to my mind at the time. Haha.
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Mate... the fact is Ed’s alive and made full recovery, so you must have done some thing right...? Surely that shows you knew what you were doing 👍 great job, nice follow up video, and great job by mountain rescue.
Keyboard warriors are always gonna chirp up... I challenge anyone to stay calm and collected and check all the boxes in those extreme conditions
Cheers James! Yeah, it was great to hear from Ed that nearly all his broken bones are fully healed up now. I couldn't believe it when I saw the xrays of his femur. Before that I'd thought it was just a fracture!
Respect to you Dave, I think your cool head saved his life. I slipped once on a wet mountain but was lucky enough to stop myself from rolling too far.
@@steveknibbs6877 Glad you were able to stop yourself, Steve! Wet slopes are not to be taken lightly!
Late to the party but great job to you all up there. That was one hell of a fall and you guys kept cool undoubtedly saving Ed's life. It was emotional to watch. I can't even imagine the kind of force needed to rip the boots from your feet, insane!
I honestly think wet grass on any kind of gradient is one of the most dangerous terrains to traverse. With snow and ice the risk is visible so you're more alert and make moves accordingly. Wet grass doesn't seem like an immediate risk, and I'd bet a lot of people wouldn't treat it as carefully as they would snow or ice.
Thanks Simon! Yeah, Ed really took a battering on the way down that slope. I couldn't believe he was still conscious when we found him!
Not to be a dick about it or anything and I'm not MRT. I think you did good but I do think a bit more situation-based training could be beneficial. We see it a lot in the hospital too, everyone has to do a training course but until people have experienced it, they're unsure and may panic. That being said, I've only dealt with stuff in hospitals and nothing in pre-hospital medicine. The best thing you can do is to do situation-based training with the kit you're going to use at the time. I realize, hindsight and all that bollocks. It just seemed a little disordered and panic-y watching it from the comfort of my front room with a brew and some hobnobs.
I hear ya, Arron! That's why I say I want to do a lot more First Aid courses. Situation-based training is great, but the problem with it is that the range of accidents which can happen is pretty big so it's difficult to have rehearsed what to do in every scenario. I think that Ed's situation was a bit above my experience level as we were never taught the exact procedure for a casualty with multiple broken bones, lying on ice with half his clothes missing :P It certainly was a bit disordered. One moment Ed was there, the next he was gone. Though the next time I see a guy fall down a mountain into freezing mist I'll be more mentally prepared. Haha.
@@BraveDave haha! It's definitely not a criticism! It's exactly how I acted the first time I saw a critically ill patient. I don't know what pre-hospital training courses are like and I don't know what restrictions they put on courses (for example, I know some courses are restricted to healthcare professionals). You obviously mentioned about the blankets and not knowing where they are, to me there should be a focus for courses on people using whatever kit they're going to have when they're out and about. It's like in the hospital, we trained with the kit we knew was going to be to-hand when things go wrong. As I said, all easy solutions to come up with when I'm in my living room with a brew and a now half-eaten pack of hobnobs.
@@Azz19991 Damn, Aaron! Save some of those Hobnobs for the rest of us! :) But yes, hindsight is 20/20. However it's definitely good to muster over these sorts of things so that you can work out how to best be prepared in case it happens again. It's all gained experience, slowly but surely, one horrific accident at a time :P
Train hopping
shut up.
You should collab with GeoWizard! He's done 2 attempts at walking through Wales in a straight line, and he's travelled all through Europe hitchhiking. His next mission is a straight line through Norway! Your content and sense of humour is very similar and I think you would do brilliant together
Yeah, a few people have said I should team up with GeoWizard! But I don't think that he needs to collaborate with anyone. He's mastered his niche, got a friend to go with him and is doing just fine :P
@@BraveDave I'm gonna take that as a "maybe one day" 😉 great video as alwaya mate
that is actually a great idea
@@vinnymurphy1299 @Brave Dave so im not the only person who thinks they would make a great duo! I would love to see them do something together.
@@BraveDave Mate collab anyway!
You saved Eddy’s life,ignore the keyboard warriors . They will never be in that situation because they never go out 😀
Been a first aider for over 40 years. You did just fine, if I had raised you or taught you I’d be so proud right now. I’d love to have you around next time **** hits the fan 👏 well done
Emotional stuff, we all need a Brave Dave in times like these. You and the guys did a cracking job.
Thanks pal :)
I should be shocked that people complained about how you handled it, but this is the internet. As a paramedic for almost 10 years who's also had personal emergencies (one of which was during a hike, even), I say you absolutely killed it. Shit is fucking stressful in real life, especially when you're far from help in a situation with few resources and in shit conditions. You kept a level head (at least externally), delegated tasks well, had good priorities (temperature management, stability, maintaining mental status), and improvised great with what you had. I'd feel great about having you as a hiking buddy. 💛
Thanks Bob, that means a lot coming from a professional :) And I wasn't shocked that some people were angry with the video. If anything I was surprised how relatively few there were! I could post a clip of me rescuing puppies from a fire and there would still be people pissed off that I didn't do it how they would have done it :P
"Not even a breeze" followed immediately by wind noise. Haha. But really you saved Ed's life. Shock and exposure are serious killers together. You handled it really well, especially considering the situation. My first-responder friends think you guys did a great job, but of course the internet "experts" will have their say. The video also opened my eyes to the dangers of even the more simple type of mountaineering. I do similar types of little expeditions in the mountains of Sweden and Norway (not very technical or dangerous routes), but seeing how dangerous wet grass can be has definitely made me more aware of my steps.
I'm really glad this video has made some people realise that even simple things like grass can be lethal, Titanius! Stay safe out there :)
Alright Dave I'm Ben that you met on the mountain, it was a pleasure to have a chat with you, cheers. Glad to report none of us slipped down the North Ridge!
Now then, Ben! I was wondering when you might comment on here :) Glad you all made it down okay. The north ridge isn't long but it's certainly a bit tricky in places compared to the main ridge!
Dave, first aid and helpers including mountain rescue ultimately saved Ed's life. Brings back memories of an accident on Ben Lui (snow and ice). A friend of mine slipped and fell approx 150 feet, she was unconscious. Leader placed her in the recovery position. He and another woman descended the mountain to get help. I along with two men remained with injured woman, five hours later we saw line of dots of light moving - mountain rescue team arrived at location. In total 26 mrt personnel attended.
Woman was stretchered down and MRT team leader assigned team member to personally take us down off the mountain. Woman made a good recovery. [1999}
Weird, I watched this yesterday and yet its only just gone up!!! I was thinking while I was watching it, Imagine being in a world or country where there wasn't any mountain rescue? what on earth would you have been able to do for the guy then? Those guys are amazing. well done you, I've done first aid courses but I agree that in the heat of the moment you can only do what comes into your head at the time.
Yeah, sorry, I uploaded it yesterday but then noticed a load of typos and errors, so I took it down and fixed it up before it had had many views :P And yes, without MR then Eddy wouldn't have had a chance. We couldn't move him and he only had a limited amount of time before the cold finished him off. Scary stuff!
it's great that you came back to the site to reflect on things, props to you
Thanks Poluki! Yes, I've passed the slope quite a few times since the accident but I was always leading people at the time so I wasn't able to go up and check it out properly until recently. It will forever now be known as "Ed's Slope" :)
The lesson from all of this is... Don't go up a mountain, stay home, warm by the fire. But seriously F**king great job
your decision-making saved that lads life, getting him off the cold ground, location etc. He definitely owes you a very large pint!
well done
Haha, yes, Ed promised us a pint and I've not forgotten :P
Almost exactly the same thing happened with me and a friend. Only we faced a sheer drop off a cliff edge. He came hurtling down a wet grass bank and as he was passing me we grabbed each other and slid for what was only a few feet but felt like a hundred. I dug my heels in as we slid, it was the tiniest little stone sticking out of the ground that saved both of us from certain death. I reckon wet grass is one of the most underrated dangers in the mountains.
Glad you and your friend didn't fall!
Well done Brave Dave, I think you did the best that most anyone could have given the situation and the equipment you had with you. Big respect on owning up to not remembering where the safety blanket was.
I cannot believe he survived that fall. That's got to be one in a million. It was also a surprise that it wasn't the nightmare ridge that caused it, it was innocent looking grass
Yeah, Freddie, Crib Goch ridge was no issue for any of us. It's the "easy" part which can catch people out :P
Seeing how badly injured he got was horrible. But seeing the recovery he has made is impressive. You without a doubt played a big part in saving this guy. Well done! And good job promoting donations for mountain rescue teams too.
Good Work Dave and everyone involved! You definitely saved his life.
And by posting the video you have probably saved quite a few more peoples lives. Great job 👍
I just saw the fall today. You stayed so clam and saved that man's life.
Did a cracking job Dave. From a mountain leader to another.... people are clearly missing the fact why you decided to go down that route in the first place. You ended up with 1 casualty, instead of a possible 4....and you saved a life. Well done lad 👍🌄
Thanks CL! Always nice to hear from a fellow ML :)
Thanks for the debrief Dave. You did well, really well. There's no teacher like experience. Bestest wishes.
Thanks, Cornish! And that's true, experience is the best teacher though it can be a bit scary when there are very serious consequences at stake :P
I think you've opened my eyes go get myself on a course of some sort. As a mountain biker and general wilderness lover it's bound go come in handy at some point in my life.
I think you do an excellent job on that intense day Dave. You took control of the incident, looked out for your mate and gave him clear instructions.
No.1, you kept yourself and the guys with you safe. No.2, you knew where you were and got a timely call out to mountain rescue. No.3, you quickly assessed the severity of the casualty’s injuries and quite rightly refrained from moving him any more than was necessary to keep him warm.
No.4, you did a good job getting insulation around him.
No.5 you left 2 with the casualty while you went to find more people to help that may have been on a popular track which you knew was close by.
No.6 I think you brought back some pain killer tablets to the casualty.
No.7 you used your whistle in the windy/noisy conditions to help MR team find you.
No.8, you gave MR team an accurate brief of what happened and mechanism of injury.
That is an absolutely tremendous achievement under extreme pressure and stress in horrific weather conditions. Well done Dave.
Realistically, I think the only other thing you could have done was maybe assess the facial/head bleeding and possibly dressed this.
Splinting the smashed up femur was certainly not an option for you.
I think your actions saved his life Dave. They bought significant time to allow MRT to deal with a casualty still alive on their arrival.
P.s I am a volunteer member of a Search & Rescue team. I think you should consider joining your local Search & Rescue team. You would be a great asset to the team.👍👍👍
Thanks for your comment, Trevor! I agree, I could have dressed his head. I remember the reason I didn't was because it seemed to have stopped bleeding by that point and i didn't want to do anything unnecessarywith Eddie, though a dressing would have ensured it stayed clean and closed. You'll be pleased to know that since this video I have joined the Fire and Rescue Service so I'm now a fair bit more trained and confident when it comes to trauma care :)
Great news to hear you have joined the Fire & Rescue Service Dave. The perfect job for you, they are very lucky to have you.👍
There's no doubt in my mind and I suspect Ed's mind, YOU saved his life. He may well have not made it until the Mountain Rescue guys arrived had you not acted as you did. Give yourself a bloody big pat on the back!!!
Brilliant follow up Dave. I’ve shared the original video with basically anyone I know who goes outside (!!), the most insightful thing I’ve ever seen on the consequences of a fall and staying safe.
Thanks Linesider! It can't hurt to have more people out there thinking twice about possible dangers when they're out and about :)
Brave Dave responding to iffy comments on RUclips is legendary! You now have a walking video to match the intensity and excitement of your fright hopping escape from the bull!! Nice one and good to hear the debriefing and news Ed is going to eventually be ok👍🍺😎
Thanks, Snowy! And yeah, I'm quite well versed with replying to odd bods and dickheads on here. 15+ years of having a RUclips channel will give a guy plenty of experience at that :P
You did a REALLY good job and let those that say otherwise stay in the limbo, Dave. Internet has let way too many brainlets expose their voices in the same space as wiser ones.
Have I told you that the Intense Day on Crib Goch makes my stomach churn? If not, well it does. I'm still equal parts amazed and elated that he was alive, conscious, breathing and not concussed after that sled-less toboggan session. Those rocks and shit look mean enough to do way more than shatter a big man's femur in four or five bits and shards. And no doubt that wood post would've been pure death, Ed should thank his guardian angel for not slipping like 5 meters further ahead on the ridge.
The fog did an excellent job of hiding how short the overall distances were, everything felt way way bigger. I thought you were jogging like a full kilometer between the Pyg and Ed's spot. Glad it wasn't!
Shaun the Sheep's lesson still applies, and I'm never underestimating mountain grass, whether wet or dry. Very smart to keep those spikes on 👍
Now, I have one question for you: freight surfing is obviously out, so why not try in the future a more law-abiding adventure abroad? For example, France and Italy have some good mountains to hike and scramble on ;^)
I'd be up for doing stuff abroad! Unfortunately the world isn't the best place for doing anything right now. When/if covid ever pisses off and people are allowed to travel again then it'll be the shambolic shit show that is Brexit which is completely ruining everything instead. Yaaay! Sure is great to live in Little Britain these days :P
Watched both videos, and while I think you shouldn't have been anywhere near Crib Goch in weather like that (not specifically you, but people in general), you almost certainly saved Ed's life and a day where everyone lives is a good day. Great work in a terrible conditions.
Speedy recovery to Brave Eddy, both lucky to be alive and hideously unlucky to be mangled up like that in the first place. Still not as unlucky as a certain Brave Someone who's effectivly banned from an entire continent when his audience is hungry for more choo choo train related shenanigans.
Oh yes, Dave, you may not be a qualified paramedic but you successfully upheld the Prime Directive by not making Ed's condition any worse. Job well done.
I had to bail out on Crib goch down that same slope its not an easy one, watching your video brings home how quickly and wasily a great day out can turn bad. You did a bang up job helping Ed IMO.
Love your videos keep it up.
Yeah man, it's certainly not a straightforward slope! But it's better than continuing towards Garnedd Ugain if there's a hurricane blowing up there with zero views :P (Well, it's better as long as no one falls down and breaks 7 bones).
I said it at the time and I'll say it now... you did remarkably well under those conditions some people just panic and they don't know what to do, they freeze up instead. granted you can tell from watching your other adventure videos how you respond in tense situations. Although, you almost did do yourself in slipping down the slope in that initial rush to find him.
I think the best way is to volunteer locally yourself. I don't know how it works over there in the UK, but here in the US, you can volunteer, and they train you. that way you also get practical experience in addition to the training. possibly you could volunteer for the Mountain Rescue since you're obviously there all the time and you know the mountains.
When my mate took a bad fall while climbing I was surprised how much of previous first aid courses kicked in. He was in bad way but dont think quite as bad Ed though, no blood and it warm summer afternoon, but did have punctured lung. He landed in awkward position making it hard from him to breathe so had to make a decision to move him to more comfortable position which made a huge difference.
Also fb ect comment on the Glossop mountain rescue got some random chap from Canada criticising him for free climbing which he certainly wasn't his gear just pulled when he fell.
Also foresight is wonderful thing especially in heat of the moment
Wow, Stephen, I'm glad Ed didn't have a punctured lung as well! That's scary stuff! Well done for helping him out :)
@@BraveDave put me off climbing for a long while, it's taken 6 years for me to get back into outdoor climbing.
Ed is alive, you and the others should be proud. In the heat of the moment and in awful conditions you all acted. People sitting in their comfy chairs with a brew picking holes in the detail of those actions should take a minute to process the pressure of stepping up to the realisation that you are now responsible for saving someone's life. Should I ever have the misfortune to have an 'off' up there i can only hope its in the company of someone like you guys and not a keyboard warrior. Great job you lads and of course, the incredible dedication and efforts of Llanberis mountain rescue volunteers.
You done a fantastic job. Especially in those conditions .
Just found your channel last night stayed up till 3am watching your Canada Trainhopping videos which were great. Today I watched the video about Ed and this, if you had not been there and kept a level head I dont think Ed would be with us today. You are very humble but you saved a life that day.
Thanks Charlie! Glad you enjoyed the freight train stuff. Make the most of them because I doubt there's much more coming any time soon :P
Why are people on different forums discussing something they wasn't there for!? And spread misinformation.. hahaha some people just take the "mansplaining" to other levels I believe xD And I hate that word normally... haha
It's just what people do :P They see a few seconds of something on a small, blurry screen and suddenly they're 100% confident that they know every detail about everything that happened (not everyone is like that, but definitely a lot of people). Then, when you explain to them that their presumptions are factually incorrect they get pissy, like reality should bend to what they believe it is rather than they should correct themselves to fit reality. Ah, good old Internet!
I was skiing once and took a tumble so hard my boots, pants and jacket got ripped off. I can relate to the kind of fall it takes end up naked at the end, I got lucky and had lots of soft snow and a ski patrol not 1 minute away.
Good Job though, really like this follow up video
I was a mountain guide and never had to deal with anything more serious than a twisted ankles, bee stings or heat exhaustion. What you did that day saved Ed’s life without doubt
Thanks Nicholas. And I'll be pretty pleased if the worst I have to deal with in the future is a twisted ankle. No more spinal bone breaks, please!! :)
Whether you all should be walking up in the mountains in the first place is another question, but it's clear you helped save his life on the day, so well done for that. Personally I wouldn't go near high mountains in poor weather, but then I'm not an experienced walker. Tbh, I wouldn't walk over crib goch in good weather at my age, but that's also another story.
I'm new to your channel today & having watched the first clip, it led me to this follow up. I have to say I think you did a fantastic job from the get go. You took control of the situation, acted swiftly whilst being mindful of your own & others safety. Ultimately you did what was required in incredidibly difficult terrain & weather conditions. Not only did you do it but you did it extremely well.
Justifying your actions isn't necessary, you kept Ed alive & got him the help that was needed. Without you, this story could have had a truly tragic ending. Best wishes to Ed.
Thanks, Tiffer! I've not uploaded anything in over a year but I hope you enjoy my old stuff :p
@@BraveDave No worries, I'm always months, years behind anything current. I've got plenty to look through & enjoy. Thanks.
Hi…. I was a member of Ullswater OBMS MR in the mid 80,s …. Llanberis MR 30 or so years ago….
The fact is buddy you are part of the “ internet age “ problem (?) change (?) …. A symptom.
Walking, climbing, caving … the outdoor sports are all affected.
With bated breath we used to wait for the next magazine, tv program, club news letter… but above all we awaited the weekend for the meet ups at the mountains, crags and caves .
We walked, climbed and caved with our peers… learnt the tools via our own growing experience and adhoc review by companions.
We did not rely on videos and web chat… etc etc …
Anyhow if you don’t want to be part of the problem at least next time you go up Hellvelyn at least make sure your lass is wearing appropriate footwear … it’s the most basic of tools…. Lead by example .
Anyhow, what do I know ? I’m in my 60’s living in the Highlands , on the hill every day.
Errm, I think you're lost, mate. This video has nothing to do with a lass climbing Hellvelyn whilst wearing the wrong footwear. Thanks for stopping by though.
@@BraveDave ha good reply. You cope well with the weirdo’s on here 😂
@Truthseeker2772 Thanks! Having 15 years of experience with RUclips commenter odd-bods certainly helps :p
No need for you to defend yourself at all. You did amazingly well & effectively led the rescue plan really efficiently. 💯
I know very little about mountaineering tbh with you but I’ve got a say what an amazing video really enjoyed watching it and great to see a positive outcome in the end 👍😎
You don't have to explain yourself to all the keyboard knobs out there. You helped save a blokes life. Kudos for going back and finding the shoe. I lost a glove up there last year keep your eye out will you next time.
A guy I was recently leading on Crib Goch lost a glove over the side as well. If I can find yours and his then I'll have myself a new pair!! (Even if they're both for the same hand, I'll make it work somehow).
Hindsight it always 20/20, as is watching a video. It's easy to sit here now and second guess.
Nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes, all you can do is try your best.
All things considered i think you did a pretty damn fine job.
Thanks RMJ! Glad you think so :)
You did really well young man. Saved Eddie’s life.
You absolutely deserve to pat yourself on the back about how you reacted in a stressful situation. I hope you and Ed can have a pint about it when he is better. The only thing that scared me was when you and your friend momentarily lost your footing, then got very lucky with your own slips. Really glad you bought that up in this one. It's safer to take 3-5 seconds to make a concious plan rather than just react and join the victim. Thank you so much for sharing this experience with us, both the video but also your thoughts too. Intense is certainly the word.
Thanks, Mehashi! Yeah, it's easy to become a secondary casualty when someone else has an accident. Fortunately our slips weren't severe. Ed just happened to slip in exactly the wrong place!
Thanks for the video. I'm going on a FRA two-day outdoor First Aid course and watching the video is required pre-course viewing - so they must think you did a lot right. I am also going to share the video and this follow up with my social media network. All the best
You did a great job mate, but, as a mountain leader, shouldn't you consider a satellite communication device ( eg Zoleo). That way, you don't need a phone signal.
Excellent performance keeping the casualty, and the team, alive and focused on the planned result - get the casualty off the mountain alive, without further injury. Job done.
Great job, Dave. One thing learning on a course and doing it in real life. Did better than most in that situation
Thanks Tom! Yes, it's very different. The problem is that in order to get real world experience at this stuff you have to be present at real world accidents. And then you have to face the possibility of real world consequences which is a bit more daunting than role playing in a car park :P
Your original video of the accident and rescue is remarkable. British mountains always seem so friendly, with their soft, grassy slopes, and this shows how serious they can be, and how quickly a day's scrambling can become a deadly situation. You did so well to keep everything together until Mountain Rescue arrived.
Glad Ed is alright.....you all dealt with it amazingly. But with the weather as it was, was it wise to even be there? Whatever the differing opinions,just glad you and the rescuers were safe!
Under the circumstances and keeping in mind, it wasn’t really your gig, it was another team, you did well and moreover, your immediate action, insulating the casualty was correct. You could see he was making noise and that was a good sign, but one things for sure, had you not been there, it could have ended a little differently. You should be taking a bow, not justifying what you did/didn’t do, you saved a young mans life and that’s what counts. You have learnt from your lessons and that’s part of the hills and you’ll keep learning regardless. Finally, the best plans in the world go to rat crap and it’s how you over come and adapt, you did and well. Hopefully, others can also learn from this video. Keep safe.
Thanks David! Yes, I definitely learnt a lot from the experience :) Safe climbs to you too!
Do some train hopping you should do it in a different country not canda or the USA u should try India I love all of your train hopping videos have been watching for 4 years now
Only just saw the video and this follow up. You did good, u tube n social media full of armchair experts. Getting him warm and insulated was definitely a priority. Protecting broken bones and spinal injuries is important but if they go hypothermic and die, then what's the point.
Also first aid in the situation you where in all you can really do is try and stem any bleeding and try and keep them warm.
You're right, Stephen! As frustrating as it was there was very little we could actually do!
Just stumbled on to both videos this evening. Fanny around watching RNLI and this came up. Soo interesting, in what happened, what you did in way of responses. Valuable real life training. Glad all well. Glad you carried all that stuff, i wouldn't have.
Thanks mate! Yeah, it's definitely a unique perspective of when things go wrong :P
Good thing they didn’t continue to crib y gribbin or else a fall would have definitely been fatal
me and my friends have descended where you were before heading down and we know how steep it is and a guide said be careful so its not something to do lightly, those online experts, have they ever descended that slope?
Yeah it is pretty steep! The thing is you could descend that slope 99 times and not slip. But when someone hits that 1/100 time...
@@Codzilla71 You're saying we should have walked another mile, further into the gale force wind, up the pinnacles, over the completely exposed Garnedd Ugain with zero view to then get to the top of the Pyg and walk a mile back down it, instead of going down the 300 meter slope which 99/100 times would have not resulted in an accident? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, Cod, but without it I think you wouldn't have a clue.
@@Codzilla71 In those exact same conditions at that exact location, and wanting to get down to the Pyg, I'd descend the slope again, slow and steady, being extra cautious about the risk of sliding, and getting to the Pyg in under ten minutes. I'll tell you what I wouldn't do; walk an extra two miles over rough, potentially dangerous terrain, including scrambling on wet rocks, in very strong wind with no views, taking well over an hour, to finally reach a point that was 300 meters away from where we originally were. Your plan has a much higher chance of resulting in an accident and would take ten times longer. Poor choice.
Ignore the armchair muppets, you’re mate may have been dead but for you, you saved his life - that’s the only important take away.
Just watched the actual video, very emotional, in all of the sheer chaos and panic you remained calm and took great leadership. A true hero if I do say so myself. Much more calm and collected than I would be. I'm glad he is alive and all of you guys are too.
Thanks Soarific. It's crazy that the accident was already a year ago (March 7th)! Ed told me he's almost back to normal except that his leg is a fair bit weaker than the other (which is understandable) :)
Respect to the mountains and respect to yourself and the rest of the group for your actions in what must have been a terrifying few hours. Well done, you clearly know what you are doing and would hope there is a 'Brave Dave' nearby should I ever be in a similar situation.
I only just watched the first video yesterday and thought what a great job you did in difficult circumstances. I never read any of the comments. Now, I see this video and feel that you are having to justify your actions, which is a great shame. Ed would not be alive today if it were not for your quick thinking actions and the fact that he was a complete stranger that you helped in whatever way you could is testament to you. I have been to Wales many times in terrible weather and have run the D of E at my school for 18 years. Don't listen to the shit that armchair viewers say! Well done to you and I am sure that Ed is very grateful and his opinion is really the only one that counts.
@sarahscott-ze1th Thanks Sarah! Hah, yeah I'm very used to armchair experts. However, it's also worth noting that most people are very positive, like yourself :)
You did really well. I think I 'guided' you to a first aid course in the comments too. Until you are faced with this sort of circumstance and the feeling of rising panic and helplessness its hard to relate to and describe. But you did the right things as far as I could asses, obviously we only see what you filmed and we weren't there. But he survived....that should be the main take away. If he was on his own there would be a good chance wouldn't have, and you were there for him. Really well done.
@timwelsh9849 thanks Tim! You'll be pleased to know that I've gone one further than more first aid courses and have now been in the Fire Service for nearly 3 years :p
Considering the situation I think you all did an excellent job. The fact that everyone came off the mountain and lived to tell the tale speaks volumes. Well done, all concerned.🤕🖒😊
Brave Dave, this whole story line was nerve wrecking to say the least. I'm glad it turned out ok for the gentleman who slid down, that awfully jagged & rough terrain. A job well done to all parties involved. So lastly, I wanna also add, nothing but mad respect for you & ur train hopping videos. I always enjoy your content, and your narration on the vids are amazing. Its definitely one of the reasons you're one of my favorite youtube creators! Keep it up homie. Enjoy and stay safe! Bravo mate!
Dave you saved his life fuck the trolls you couldn’t of done anymore
Seems like a therapeutic thing to revisit the site? Like you handled it really well, but obviously an extremely stressful experience!
Revisiting the slope was interesting but I didn't do it for closure or something like that. Haha. To be honest my video footage was more than enough "therapy". Watching it over and over again whilst editing it let my brain completely process everything. Also the fact that I know Eddy is alive and well helps a lot too :P
@@BraveDave fair enough, I hadn't considered the lengthy video editing process. maybe it was closure for me then, I found it pretty stressful 😂
Would be so bad ass if you were able to pull off another train hop video. They were so fun to watch! Sucks that you had so much legal bs happen because of it.
Sends picture to "Ed Snowdon Accident" 😂
Haha. I didn't know his surname when I put his number in my phone :P
Most people that sit on there ass an watch utube have no idea what you went through. Don't worry about there comments. F them. Glad you made it out alive. I lived in northern B.C. no place to f around. F all those bitch ass comments. Great vids by the way.
What a great location to live in, Bert! I've only been once. Didn't get to climb any mountains but they looked cool from the train :P
Micro Spikes! Moral of the story.
I've only recently stumbled across this follow up video.
I seriously cannot believe that people would actually sit down in the comfort of their home and complain at anything you did that day.
What is wrong with people?
If you've got nothing good to contribute then don't.
If it wasn't for you, Ed would certainly not be here today. You should be extremely proud of what you did that day. You all should.
Ed will be forever grateful to you all for your actions on that day.
I also felt it was great that you shared that video. It really does highlight the dangers and how quickly things can change and escalate in the mountains.
Stay safe.
That's the Internet for ya! Armchair Experts and Keyboard Warriors, as far as the eye can see :p
You did a great job he lived to tell the tale, that's a win all round!
You did your best in a shit situation, well done and glad to see Eds on the mend 👍
Thanks Ryan! Yeah, Ed's a trooper! :)
You did brilliant mate, your actions probably saved Ed's life. Forget about the idiot comments, it's easy to give advice when you're sat behind your keyboard in a warm house.
Thanks mate :)
my god your using a jacket that's not a bin bag that rips with a light breeze lol
I'm confused, 0T13. And not just because you haven't used a single bit of grammar. What are you trying to say? Is English not your first language?
@@BraveDave Was only messing, and its reads fine. i have Dyslexia.
You might be having a bad morning or not had a coffee but check your ego.
@@0T13 I'm not sure what my ego has to do with your comment not making sense. You seem to be implying that I usually have a jacket which rips in a light breeze, but this confuses me because I don't. How puzzling!
@@BraveDave Don't worry yourself about it.
My comment wasn't meant to offend.
Too easily offended about a jacket.
@@0T13 Your comment didn't offend me, 0T13. It just confused me because it didn't make sense.
Here it is with some grammar: "My God! You're using a jacket which isn't a bin bag that rips with a light breeze! lol"
See, I understand what your comment is saying, I just don't understand why you wrote it. If there was a running joke in my videos that my jackets always get ripped or something then it would make sense. But that's not the case, hence why I'm confused. I want to understand you, 0T13. I truly do! But you're going to have to communicate better. Help me help you, 0T13!! Together we can get through this!
Don't listen to the armchair first aiders. You did the best you could in the given situation. You checked yourselves for danger first to avoid being casualties, you called the emergency services and you insulated Ed from the elements. Well done and I bet Ed's glad to have had you with him that day.
Thanks Lauren! And yes, Ed is! :)
@@BraveDave you're more than welcome. I wish Ed a speedy recovery.
Mate the idiots telling you that you did things wrong have never been in a survival situation obviously. When they are put in a multiple decision process they will realise that its not so simple. Keeping a patient warm and least movement is the best you can do. Good man...
Thanks James :) Yeah, everyone's an expert when watching a video from the comfort of their own home...
Can't believe some would question your response after watching what you guys did that clearly went a long way to save Eds life.... Should be very proud of yourselves 👍
The fact that he should never have chosen that route in the first place is the only thing that needs to be questioned
I’m more a greasy wet women kinda guy.
Comment direct to Dave... To be fair I was never tempted to comment to your original video although I thought you had earned your "Brave Dave" youtube name for posting it in the first place. You must of expected a shed load of negative feedback and the comments regardless and it's almost mountain clickbait but they must of come in like a waterfall!
I didn't know you weren't one group form your first video as many others probably didn't and may of been reason for a lot of negativity .
It was horrendous how quickly the situation went south and I was pleased you and your mate weren't casualties too as you were pretty close to losing it at times! Fair play though mate with your handling of the casualty, given the situation thumbs up to that and he was okay to see another day!
Cheers Nigel. I certainly knew that there would be some negative feedback but that's the case for every video I put up (especially mountain stuff since I caught the attention of the rock climbing community last year) so it doesn't affect whether or not I put up a video. I deliberately added all the necessary info to the first video to counter the criticisms I thought people would have (exact location of slope, reasons for descending, me not knowing Tony and Ed etc etc) but the thing is that a lot of people don't read things before jumping to conclusions so there were still the expected comments that got it totally wrong. I don't mind people having a go about stuff but it is a bit irritating when it's about things which are factually incorrect. One thing which I thought would be criticised a lot more was the fact that I filmed the accident aftermath in the first place! A surprisingly small number of comments were about that. Haha.
Dave he was lucky you were there - you did all the important things and kept calm
Sounds to me like you did a great job and kept a man alive, nice👍🏻
Sad that you have had to in many ways defend yourself and your actions, if you hadn't been there, been so quick acting and most of all kitted out correctly carrying survival gear then the picture would have been painted very differently. A timely reminder that everyone needs to carry some What If gear.
Thanks Teuchter! And "What If gear" is a great title :)
Hi Dave, the original video is a valuable resource for seeing first aid knowledge put into action. I have done the 2 day wilderness first aid course about 4 times now and in the most recent one the instructor showed actual footage of a mountain biker (in France or Spain I think) crashing and puncturing a vital blood vessel. Your video is in the same visceral ballpark, showing what really happens when you have to apply theory in practice against the clock. Should be required watching for ML training. All things considered I think you did well with the first aid element, it is easy to criticise from the armchair but with the adrenalin/fear going you kept Ed conscious without making his injuries worse which is basically all you could have done.
One thing not mentioned in your follow-up which is worth bearing in mind for people watching is the danger of waterproof trousers on steep wet grass - once you start sliding on them it is equivalent to sliding on ice with no crampons. Following a very nerve-wracking descent into a grassy corrie on Beinn Bhan I now take the view that I will not descend steep grass in full waterproofs unless there is literally no other option - better to continue on a longer ridge route and descend gradually even if it takes a lot longer, or take the waterproof trouser layer off and get soaked. The risk of sliding out of control is something I don't want to tolerate as a (mostly) solo walker & scrambler. Your video confirms it! Cheers.
Hi Corvayle! I think I've seen the mountain biker video. Doesn't he rupture his femoral artery which can cause someone to bleed out in like a minute? His fall doesn't even look that bad either, he just lands in exactly the wrong place. It's really scary how the body has a few weak points where if there's damage then the person is almost certainly going to die within minutes.
You're also very right about waterproof trousers; they're almost frictionless on wet grass. Something very worth being aware of when descending.
Dave you did an amazing job, you all did. People who judge are just big arseholes. Well done xxx
Cheers, Sharon!
You did fantastically well on the day Dave in those circumstances, and you are answerable to no-one. Well done to you and the other members of the team who were present, you all saved Eddys life. Thanks also to Llanberis mountain rescue, heroes all of you.
Thanks Angmar :) Coincidentally today is exactly one year since the incident! I just spoke to Ed and he says he's pretty much fully recovered except that his leg is still quite weak (understandable after barely being used for a year).
Dave, you did an excellent job on the day keeping Ed alive and looking after your mates, great follow up videos too. Much appreciated.
Thanks Mikey :)
Just a quick note, I'm not sure but doesn't the UK have 112 as an emergency number in tandem with 999? It's the pan European emergency number - but it also activates the 'phones GPS for emergency services. Personally I think you did an amazing job on helping Ed, and yeah it's one thing doing this shit in a classroom where you have plenty of room to move around, the casualty only has one injury and you've not got snow and howling wind to contend with.
Thanks Efnissien! :) And yes, 112 works the same as 999, although now that we've left the EU I wonder if it will still work. God damn Brexit :(
@@BraveDave Yeah, that's what I'm unsure about with Brexit. But 999 doesn't activate the GPS to my knowledge.
Love Ed's contact name in whatsapp 😂
Haha. "How can I differentiate this Ed with any other Eds I might know?" :P
MR don't call anyone idiots or time wasters either, they won't hold back on telling you was in prepared but they are very nice, sympathetic people
Oh I know, but in the debrief the MR lady told us that we all had sensible kit for the conditions so she wasn't going to tell us we were unprepared. She also said we'd done a great job at helping Eddie until rescue arrived.
@@BraveDave yeah he couldn't have got luckier to have someone with the kit and know how to deal with the situation
Ive been on many sea survival and first aid courses over the year. First major accident i seen was a car crash in France with 3 kids in the total. Like you say, no amount of training actually prepares you as theres so much that can be wrong, as i found out. Staying calm is a must! But holding a kids head & body still to stop further serious damage is all i could really do. It felt like the Fire/rescue team and Ambulances took for ever, i remember praying for them to hurry up.
Funnily enough, I'm now a firefighter :p I've had lots of training since this video so hopefully I'd feel a bit more confident if something like this was to happen again.
@BraveDave that's brilliant, a very noble thing to do!
I'm sure now u have experienced the adrenaline, gory injuries and all the thoughts that run through your head, you will know how to navigate it a bit calmer. Calm and focused definitely helps. All the best fella 👍
Wow - thats crazy. Well done for your reactions and being such a big part of his survival. I watched the video and that was a critical situation and you dealt with it very well.
Thanks Andrew :)
A lot of people can talk a lot of shit and no-matter what they know, if they're facing their first time then they'll make less than perfect decisions too. The only way to minimise that is, either lots of experience in real world situations (like mountain rescue)or countless drills, over and over again until it becomes second nature. You can learn as much as you like but it's only by familiarising yourself with the routines this way that it sticks and becomes instinctive.
What I saw in the video was, you responded quickly; you kept your head clear and you were fully engaged in your situational awareness - there's no teaching that in any class room. So, well done.
Cheers Paul, much appreciated :)
@@BraveDave Also, like M.R. told you, you - you had the right gear and there's a great saying: "luck is for the un-prepared" :)
Dave, I think you did brilliantly, way better than I or most of your armchair critics would have done. Well done, and thanks for the update. BTW, whilst Ed's initial slip will have been due to his shoes losing grip, the reason he kept sliding was because he was wrapped in slippery waterproofs, and because grass, even dry grass, can be very slippery. Unavoidable, but worth being aware of. As a kid in Summer we used to slide in cardboard boxes down a nearby grass slope. Great fun!