By the time that the term moose entered the English language (17th century), the big vowels shift was already almost completed, so, unlike goose - geese, the same mutation didn't take place for moose.
I do love the animation and all the graphics that you use. It was very cleaver how you presented all the information, and you must of done quite a bit of research. well done mate.
Wow, I had no idea what Lojban was, so I found your video to be very educational. I love you Matilda reference! Everyone I ask has no idea what that movie is lol. Anyways, I also like your little animated character too it keeps things lighthearted and not to heavy. Keep up the excellent work!
Hey, thanks man, it means a ton! And yeah, it does seem like Matilda isn't talked about as much as it should be... I always assumed it was one of those films that everyone knew about and generally approved of, but didn't talk about. I'll have to poll some of my friends now...
2:53 The historical use of the apostrophe{ της βαρείας ( ` ) } in Greek denoted the rough breathing sound, which has since been lost in modern Greek pronunciation. In ancient Greek, the rough breathing mark (ἁ) indicated an initial "h" sound. Apostrophe was the '"h" sound. We had two apostrophe that we droped.Right to left and left to right. οξείας ( ´ ), της βαρείας ( ` )and I'm not sure what the sound of the first one was.Over time, this sound dropped out of spoken Greek, but when these words were transliterated into Latin and eventually English, the initial "h" sound was retained and changed from the apostrofy to the none Greek letter "h". So, we now say "Ερμής" (Ermis), while you say "Hermes". We say "Ελλάς" (Ellas), while you say "Hellas".etc Heliocentric, Harmonic, Holograph, Hypotenuse, Hysteria, Haplology, Hemorrhage, Heterodox, Hydrogen, Hypnosis, Hypothesis, Hierarchy, Homogeneous, Hematology, Herpetology, Heliograph, Hypothermia, Hippopotamus, Hyperbole, Hydraulics
Really high quality video and great editing. When I looked at your channel I expected to see at Least 200k subs. You’re super underrated man!! I hope your channel blows up
If I had a quarter for everytime I discovered a RUclipsr who started out making videos on a conlg before progressing onto more general knowledge, I'd have two quarters, which isn't a lot but it is weird it happened twice
1:15 While that's a valid sentence structure in german, it doesn't mean the same thing as the one from the french example (also the comma doesn't belong)
Mm, sorry if I got the structure wrong, could you show me what the correct structure should be? I had assumed that all subclauses in German ought to be separated by a comma from the rest of the sentence, and that the order in which clauses are placed can be at least somewhat played around with, and in what way does it differ from the French sentence in meaning? I was planning on doing a video where I laid out my corrections over the past year, and if you could tell me what I should correct I would appreciate it. Could you also tell me what your expertise in the matter is as well? Considering it's the internet and anyone can comment, I just want to hear where you're coming from.
@@ChessedGamon Your version is mostly fitting in a response further specifying a question. For example "What are these men doing?" "They're running" "That the man with the blue shirt runs see I, [but what about the man in the red shirt?]". If you just want to say that the man wearing a blue shirt runs, the sentence would be exactly the same as in English: "I see that the man with the blue shirt runs." However I can't think of a sentence where the English structure can't be used in exactly the same way as yours. As a non-linguist I have no idea how I'd formulate a proper rule, I suppose the first structure has a slightly more sarcastic undertone? But this is barely even connotation territory and more that people sometimes arbitrarily shuffle sentences around because they can. Either way you're safe doing it just like in English. As for the comma I'm not sure. I think it's because you're starting the sentence with the subclause and I faintly recall my middle school teacher talking about specific rules for "dass-Nebensätze". I might be completely wrong though, I could really use a German for native speakers course^^
That R34 search though. What are you not telling us, Gamon? Fascinating though, never heard of Lojban before. In your example it does... Seem rather robotic of a language. I should give it a shot...
> What are you not telling us Gamon The law requires that I don’t answer. Also yeah this language is fun to learn if you’re into this type of stuff, it’s nothing like any language I’ve studied before and after studying German I’m frankly ecstatic about its grammar.
German isn’t: Object Verb Subject (OVS) German is: Subject Verb Object (SVO) I’m not sure this video understands the topic very well, which totally explains the Ben Shapiro reference.
I wasn't trying to say German was OVS, I think I just made a mistake assuming how flexible German's syntax could be. Although this is an older video, so I can't quite be sure...
In psych 1 the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis was mentioned when we learned how foreign countries have wildly different psychological phenomena, eg. how eating disorders are considered rare outside of the United States. I think the idea was supported by some self-report tests done on multilinguals. The textbook never mentioned Lojban though-I wish you’dve covered its “results!”
Electricfishfan As much as I would like to, it would require Lojban to be spoken as a native language by enough people to draw meaningful conclusions from, and that’s going to be difficult to do, simply speaking. Another problem with the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis itself is how many variables are involved with the development of a certain people’s mindset. Taking your American obesity example for instance, the US has a satirical amount of farmland along with a massive highway system to transport it nationwide. It would be more likely that the cause of American obesity can be attributed to this quirk of geography. If we want to understand the effects of language on a culture, we’d have to isolate it from an absolute mess of geographic and historical variables, and so, the SWH may never be completely proven or disproven.
"If you do not know what Ithkuil is, I'd avoid googling it. Trying to learn its pronunciation will set your brain on fire." The phonem map seemed reasonable. I have seen much harder ones.
I've gained quite a few friends from learning lojban. .i la uakci je la misno tadni je la ilmen je la ricyract je la tsani je so'i drata cu pendo mi ki'u lonu mi co'a tadni la lojban
Nice introduction! You have a good video style. A few things: Your pronunciation of "lojban" comes close, but the "j" makes the sound in the middle of "measure". The English "j" can be achieved through "dj" in lojban, as in "la djan." lojban does not really have a grammatical distinction between verbs/nouns/etc. selbri are predicates, that is, connections between subjects (sumti). Putting an article like "lo" or "la" in front of them converts them into sumti, which allows them to be used in other place structures. The place structure of mamta is "x1 is a mother of x2". While the English definition forces me to describe it with a verb "is" the lojban definition "x1 fetsi gi'e rirni x2" has no such pretense. There is no need for a glottal stop at the beginning of names if they are preceded by la or doi and if they begin in consonants. "la lojban." with only the stop at the end is perfectly acceptable. However "la .alis." or "coi .bab." both require stops at the front. This is because all words beginning in vowels have stops before them in lojban to prevent the previous word from running into it, and because la and doi are specifically excluded from names unless preceded by a consonant (otherwise the article could be mistaken as part of the name, as is the case with coi). Loved the Ithkuil joke btw! u'i
i get the idea, but why are these words so strange? like where are the ethymological roots? why call a mother mamta instead of mama? literally every human ever recognises the words mama and papa, or some minor variation of those. or the fuck does palci mean? doesnt sound indo european at all. which it should since most people ever speak some indo european language
This video is old by now so I cannot give more detail, but here's an excerpt from the wikipedia page on it: "The phonetic form of Lojban gismu (root words) was created algorithmically by searching for sound patterns in words with similar meanings in world languages and by weighting those sound patterns by the number of speakers of those languages. The list of source languages used for the algorithm was limited to the six most widely spoken languages as of 1987-Mandarin, English, Hindi, Spanish, Russian, and Arabic. This resulted in root words being in their phonetic form a relatively equal mixture of English and Mandarin, with lesser influences from the other four." Basically it's not indo european because half of its influences weren't.
@@ChessedGamon thanks for replying on such an old video in the first place. but its still a strange decision to me to not have a more coherent etymology for a supposed "logical language". in the end conlangs always fail since ppl will always speak the language that is spoken by the ppl they interact with. which will always be a natural language. which may not be "logical" if overanalized, but its still logical as a product of social development and its inherent history. its never pulled put of thin air
There is grammar, yes, but natural languages are built off of convention, and so usually have a lot of exceptions and ambiguity to them. Languages like Lojban try to create a perfectly consistent set of grammatical rules and try to avoid ambiguity, so the result is something structured more like computer code than a human language.
A human language that apes a computer language seems ridiculous, I'm imagining a language that requires the ability to jump around to earlier and later points in the conversation while editing the listener's memories on the fly. A language of verbs seems like a cool idea but it seems like they seriously half-assed it, otherwise "a bad and ugly mother" would have translated to something like "ruining things - making people feel sick because of how you look - giving birth".
Thats only GOTO languages. Most modern computer languages don't even have GOTO. Object-oriented and Functional approaches I think is easier for human memory. For OO we have all the jargons in specialized subset languages meaning different things than general usage (cf. Economics use of utility compared to dictionary meaning). For functional, well... I don't know it but should be possible?
I swear to god, I heard the word yesterday and suddenly now it appeared again. 1) was it just coincidence? 2) Have I heard it before and didn't noticed because I didn't knew what it was so I forgot it? 3) Is the algorithmic gods paying attention to everything I do online and served me this specific lojban video because it also has something to do with vore? (even though it only appeared in the video and the word wasn't actually said or appeared in the comments. PS: The Bleaching of your eyes is well appretiated.
Correction: Ithkuil isn’t a “logical language.” Why did I call it that. What is wrong with me.
We all make mistakes, don't worry
It is very logical so you're not too wrong
it is,
Its maker, John Quijada, has described it as "a cross between an a priori philosophical language and a logical language," so you're partly right!
It's a language for huge information in a word. No logic.
But in the future logical language will be possible 😭
I now know more about Lojban then ninth grade French. Awesome!
than* better than English too maybe?
@@zzoldd Grammar Nazi
69 likes, make a wish!
@@GodittoC Wait, that's a thing now ? Cool
"spoken computer code"
-Xidnaf basically
man i love my bad humor
it's incredible that on the span of only 2 minutes you managed to teach me how totally inept I am at learning new languages
2:36
"i needed to bleach my eyes for 30 minutes after recording that joke please laugh"
Brian Griffin vore
By the time that the term moose entered the English language (17th century), the big vowels shift was already almost completed, so, unlike goose - geese, the same mutation didn't take place for moose.
thanks for answering this question, I've always wondered but never searched it up myself!
On another hand, the word for 42 is "vore". Um...
omg I have just found out about your channel and GOD YOU ARE UNDERRATED AF.
Thanks man!
I REMEMBER ENJOYING THIS VIDEO WHEN YOU FIRST POSTED IT IN SMALL YT SUBREDDIT ‼️
I do love the animation and all the graphics that you use. It was very cleaver how you presented all the information, and you must of done quite a bit of research. well done mate.
*clever
@@freebornfloor1600 *must have
Loved this video! Keep up the good work bro. Really awesome style and voice.
"Awesome voice."
Absolutely does not sound like that to me when I'm editing these... :)
Thanks for watching by the way!
Wow, I had no idea what Lojban was, so I found your video to be very educational. I love you Matilda reference! Everyone I ask has no idea what that movie is lol. Anyways, I also like your little animated character too it keeps things lighthearted and not to heavy. Keep up the excellent work!
Hey, thanks man, it means a ton!
And yeah, it does seem like Matilda isn't talked about as much as it should be... I always assumed it was one of those films that everyone knew about and generally approved of, but didn't talk about. I'll have to poll some of my friends now...
@@ChessedGamon , being a Road Dahl story, it's an absolute classic in the UK.
The German language is amazing once you get past the beginning phase's of learning.
2:53 The historical use of the apostrophe{ της βαρείας ( ` ) } in Greek denoted the rough breathing sound, which has since been lost in modern Greek pronunciation. In ancient Greek, the rough breathing mark (ἁ) indicated an initial "h" sound. Apostrophe was the '"h" sound. We had two apostrophe that we droped.Right to left and left to right. οξείας ( ´ ), της βαρείας ( ` )and I'm not sure what the sound of the first one was.Over time, this sound dropped out of spoken Greek, but when these words were transliterated into Latin and eventually English, the initial "h" sound was retained and changed from the apostrofy to the none Greek letter "h". So, we now say "Ερμής" (Ermis), while you say "Hermes". We say "Ελλάς" (Ellas), while you say "Hellas".etc Heliocentric, Harmonic, Holograph, Hypotenuse, Hysteria, Haplology, Hemorrhage, Heterodox, Hydrogen, Hypnosis, Hypothesis, Hierarchy, Homogeneous, Hematology, Herpetology, Heliograph, Hypothermia, Hippopotamus, Hyperbole, Hydraulics
In hindi mamta means a sense of motherhood (towards something) or motherlike possessiveness/protectiveness
Really high quality video and great editing. When I looked at your channel I expected to see at Least 200k subs. You’re super underrated man!! I hope your channel blows up
Lojban! Seems like it'd be a funny language to rap in.
Look up lojban music. search for the album Za'o ;) the song BA'O is actually really nice. then there is also the single. Tensaia.
@@BlueCheetah8 Was also going to recommend Djemynai.
Wait so spoken computer codes does is in fact sound like spoken computer codes
If I had a quarter for everytime I discovered a RUclipsr who started out making videos on a conlg before progressing onto more general knowledge, I'd have two quarters, which isn't a lot but it is weird it happened twice
I’m getting war flashbacks to my invented languages class 😂
I'd love hour long videos
Why does Lojban reminds of Japanese so much? Maybe it's the adjectives in Japanese, or compounding words
Logical most of the time and then PHP.
Do a video on ithkuil!
Lojban is nothing like Ithkuil! You end up with silly sentences which are longer than the English version lol.
You didn't even leave a link to download the compiler!
1:15 While that's a valid sentence structure in german, it doesn't mean the same thing as the one from the french example (also the comma doesn't belong)
Mm, sorry if I got the structure wrong, could you show me what the correct structure should be? I had assumed that all subclauses in German ought to be separated by a comma from the rest of the sentence, and that the order in which clauses are placed can be at least somewhat played around with, and in what way does it differ from the French sentence in meaning?
I was planning on doing a video where I laid out my corrections over the past year, and if you could tell me what I should correct I would appreciate it. Could you also tell me what your expertise in the matter is as well? Considering it's the internet and anyone can comment, I just want to hear where you're coming from.
@@ChessedGamon Your version is mostly fitting in a response further specifying a question. For example "What are these men doing?" "They're running" "That the man with the blue shirt runs see I, [but what about the man in the red shirt?]". If you just want to say that the man wearing a blue shirt runs, the sentence would be exactly the same as in English: "I see that the man with the blue shirt runs." However I can't think of a sentence where the English structure can't be used in exactly the same way as yours. As a non-linguist I have no idea how I'd formulate a proper rule, I suppose the first structure has a slightly more sarcastic undertone? But this is barely even connotation territory and more that people sometimes arbitrarily shuffle sentences around because they can. Either way you're safe doing it just like in English.
As for the comma I'm not sure. I think it's because you're starting the sentence with the subclause and I faintly recall my middle school teacher talking about specific rules for "dass-Nebensätze". I might be completely wrong though, I could really use a German for native speakers course^^
>walkable cities
ö
Dont censor curse words in captions please
Those are auto-captions, I didn't make them
@@ChessedGamon sorry it looked weird with the [ _ ]
@@flewwasse ‘sall good man
Haha I like it. Kept it interesting. meeeese. Let me know if you have any tips for me.
Awesome
0:29 me and everyone else waiting for the Ithkuil video
That R34 search though. What are you not telling us, Gamon?
Fascinating though, never heard of Lojban before. In your example it does... Seem rather robotic of a language. I should give it a shot...
> What are you not telling us Gamon
The law requires that I don’t answer.
Also yeah this language is fun to learn if you’re into this type of stuff, it’s nothing like any language I’ve studied before and after studying German I’m frankly ecstatic about its grammar.
German isn’t: Object Verb Subject (OVS)
German is: Subject Verb Object (SVO)
I’m not sure this video understands the topic very well, which totally explains the Ben Shapiro reference.
I wasn't trying to say German was OVS, I think I just made a mistake assuming how flexible German's syntax could be. Although this is an older video, so I can't quite be sure...
V2 syntax following svo with a time mode place following sentence structure.
In psych 1 the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis was mentioned when we learned how foreign countries have wildly different psychological phenomena, eg. how eating disorders are considered rare outside of the United States. I think the idea was supported by some self-report tests done on multilinguals. The textbook never mentioned Lojban though-I wish you’dve covered its “results!”
Electricfishfan As much as I would like to, it would require Lojban to be spoken as a native language by enough people to draw meaningful conclusions from, and that’s going to be difficult to do, simply speaking.
Another problem with the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis itself is how many variables are involved with the development of a certain people’s mindset. Taking your American obesity example for instance, the US has a satirical amount of farmland along with a massive highway system to transport it nationwide. It would be more likely that the cause of American obesity can be attributed to this quirk of geography. If we want to understand the effects of language on a culture, we’d have to isolate it from an absolute mess of geographic and historical variables, and so, the SWH may never be completely proven or disproven.
Eating disorders aren’t considered rare in other western countries compared to the US.
This is basically English in a sombrero chugging margaritas and “sir-vase-uhs”
"If you do not know what Ithkuil is, I'd avoid googling it. Trying to learn its pronunciation will set your brain on fire."
The phonem map seemed reasonable. I have seen much harder ones.
Its nearly spanish
Shots were fired at 1:52
theres ninety-nine comments and I just want there to be one hundred
bro heart 5 day old comment upload a new video now it 11 month
Why is Lojban in Lojban "la .lojban." and not "jbobau"?
The Crash course seems to have crashed. It's no longer there.
There's now lojban.io and _The Complete Lojban Language_.
*Chessed Gamon hates on PHP*
Programmer confirmed.
I learned php once. It was the biggest waste of time ever.
Cute character, and great video here! 😄👍
You really deserve more subscribers
The word for ugly is fegli, truely the hight of logic and reason
good vid
Cool intro!
What's with the subliminals?
german is logic af. nomen.komposita
I've gained quite a few friends from learning lojban.
.i la uakci je la misno tadni je la ilmen je la ricyract je la tsani je so'i drata cu pendo mi ki'u lonu mi co'a tadni la lojban
> je la ricyract
*.ue* ma cmene do bau lo jbobau
@@nonametherabbit8593 mi'e la srasu
@@keldwikchaldain9545 .ueeee coi la srasu
Finally someone who agrees with me that German is awful. X3
Also I LOVE that language (Lojban)! I HAVE to learn it, it is amazing! >w
Nice introduction! You have a good video style. A few things:
Your pronunciation of "lojban" comes close, but the "j" makes the sound in the middle of "measure". The English "j" can be achieved through "dj" in lojban, as in "la djan."
lojban does not really have a grammatical distinction between verbs/nouns/etc. selbri are predicates, that is, connections between subjects (sumti). Putting an article like "lo" or "la" in front of them converts them into sumti, which allows them to be used in other place structures. The place structure of mamta is "x1 is a mother of x2". While the English definition forces me to describe it with a verb "is" the lojban definition "x1 fetsi gi'e rirni x2" has no such pretense.
There is no need for a glottal stop at the beginning of names if they are preceded by la or doi and if they begin in consonants. "la lojban." with only the stop at the end is perfectly acceptable. However "la .alis." or "coi .bab." both require stops at the front. This is because all words beginning in vowels have stops before them in lojban to prevent the previous word from running into it, and because la and doi are specifically excluded from names unless preceded by a consonant (otherwise the article could be mistaken as part of the name, as is the case with coi).
Loved the Ithkuil joke btw! u'i
1:20 filipino: see I wearing blue shirt that man that is running
(confusing but accurate)
nakikita kong naka asul na damit yang lalakeng tumatakbo
hahaha well done! xD
meeses
Lossing friend ha can't loss what i don't have.... :,(
Came from reddit - use more animation and video clips - also lose the black background! Throw in a backdrop or something! Good luck.
Why the fuck did you put up THAT picture when you said "logic"? I hop that was sarcasm.
PHP truly is something.
i get the idea, but why are these words so strange? like where are the ethymological roots? why call a mother mamta instead of mama? literally every human ever recognises the words mama and papa, or some minor variation of those. or the fuck does palci mean? doesnt sound indo european at all. which it should since most people ever speak some indo european language
This video is old by now so I cannot give more detail, but here's an excerpt from the wikipedia page on it:
"The phonetic form of Lojban gismu (root words) was created algorithmically by searching for sound patterns in words with similar meanings in world languages and by weighting those sound patterns by the number of speakers of those languages. The list of source languages used for the algorithm was limited to the six most widely spoken languages as of 1987-Mandarin, English, Hindi, Spanish, Russian, and Arabic. This resulted in root words being in their phonetic form a relatively equal mixture of English and Mandarin, with lesser influences from the other four."
Basically it's not indo european because half of its influences weren't.
@@ChessedGamon thanks for replying on such an old video in the first place. but its still a strange decision to me to not have a more coherent etymology for a supposed "logical language". in the end conlangs always fail since ppl will always speak the language that is spoken by the ppl they interact with. which will always be a natural language. which may not be "logical" if overanalized, but its still logical as a product of social development and its inherent history. its never pulled put of thin air
Doesn't every language have an underlying logic to it anyway?
There is grammar, yes, but natural languages are built off of convention, and so usually have a lot of exceptions and ambiguity to them. Languages like Lojban try to create a perfectly consistent set of grammatical rules and try to avoid ambiguity, so the result is something structured more like computer code than a human language.
Lojban is xit
A human language that apes a computer language seems ridiculous, I'm imagining a language that requires the ability to jump around to earlier and later points in the conversation while editing the listener's memories on the fly. A language of verbs seems like a cool idea but it seems like they seriously half-assed it, otherwise "a bad and ugly mother" would have translated to something like "ruining things - making people feel sick because of how you look - giving birth".
Thats only GOTO languages. Most modern computer languages don't even have GOTO. Object-oriented and Functional approaches I think is easier for human memory. For OO we have all the jargons in specialized subset languages meaning different things than general usage (cf. Economics use of utility compared to dictionary meaning). For functional, well... I don't know it but should be possible?
@@irfannurhadisatria2540 I'm thinking just the general concepts of memory and recursion, not GOTO commands per se.
Idea sounds good. Maybe futures-computers will write best ever logical language.
Today we must study English.
I swear to god, I heard the word yesterday and suddenly now it appeared again.
1) was it just coincidence?
2) Have I heard it before and didn't noticed because I didn't knew what it was so I forgot it?
3) Is the algorithmic gods paying attention to everything I do online and served me this specific lojban video because it also has something to do with vore? (even though it only appeared in the video and the word wasn't actually said or appeared in the comments.
PS: The Bleaching of your eyes is well appretiated.
Culture is not race
Good to know
Disliked for the rude language.
Disliked your comment for being butthurt over no no words.
2:18 ayo that’s messed up lol 💀