They should have gotten rid of legacy admissions if they were really about keeping things fair and equal. The fact that wasn't even up for debate speaks volumes. Edit: A lot of the replies to this comment, justifying legacies, just prove people don't really want a leveled meritocracy (and it seems like some know that doesn't really exist with any policy being suggested). They just want to see certain groups have avenues to have a leg up and for others to be held back. Just full of bad faith arguments.....
@@Blackjack09721 it’s not about fairness. It’s about keeping black people out of high paying jobs and academia/avenues for building inter generational wealth. Wake up.
@@louispeddiltton47 those negative stereotypes are part of the problem. you say "black schools" are violent but you've never seen mass shootings at black schools...
@@noahvideo12yes most school mass shootings are at white schools but there are more violent instances at schools that have the highest population of POC but in my opinion that reasoning has to do with a wealth difference between the attending students families rather than the skin color. The violence from when I lived in the trailer park was more about making money related and the kids at the rich High school I went was more about bullying.
@nbafanboy8146 So are you for segregation? Because this is what you want to promote here. ironically enough people like you who says to be against racism wants to have most racist things out there... At the moment you have anything which includes race in it, its racist. Black only universities? Then why would you scream against white only universities? What's next? Black only bathrooms?... You didn't learn anything from the past, aren't you now? If you want to stop racism stop including race into every single thing out there.
@@angelahampton5730 i have and affirmative action doesn’t help those it was intended for at all. It was suppose to help poor American blacks. But the majority of the recipients were Africans and wealthy college educated blacks. Read a book sometimes. You can apologize now.
Because it would show how the Asians fell for the old banana in the tailpipe trick, from the white supremacists. And also show how those folks really feel about them, and their attempts to get in where they don't fit in
That's how the racist news reports on this issue - a drop in black students is a bad thing, but somehow and increase in Asian students is not a good thing
The students say they care about diversity, but take a look at who's standing next to them. They hang out with people who look just like them. They only say they care about diversity because that's what they're supposed to say.
💯 They put a national news reporter, with a camera, in their face. What does one think they are going to say? They could very well be one of the students who make these diverse students feel unwelcome and they are taking their spots.
Right ✅️ You don't have to be a MIT student to know that. College nowadays like a sorority admission SISTERHOOD OF THE YA-YA CLUB I'm so glad my college years wasn't like that. Good riddance to these new ages of lost souls 👏🏽
affirmative action is not bad, what is bad is white leadership takes the spot from asians and give it to blacks rather than taking a spot from the least qualified pool of the qualified and give to the blacks. Why not because it would mean it would take a spot away from white population.
Invest? Minority schools will have to beg for that. They've begged already for years. Affirmative action was all these black and brown kids had left and now we took it away. Ashamed of this ruling by the Supreme Court.
How about Black and Latina families stop raising children in single parent homes, and encourage their children to turn off the video games and study more?
@@dwight_klaus2981OMG, YOUR SO RIGHT! 😲Let me just spontaneously change my socioeconomic background and find the serial number for a missing parent so I can replace them. Why didn’t I think of that?!!! I think I had that code somewhere around here…☝️😗
Colleges especially Ivy League colleges are already some of the whitest places in the country. If you take away the athletes its even whiter. Banning any affirmative action would drop black student enrollment from just a few to barely any at all. Yet legacy students aren’t an issue. Nobody pointed out that during that college admission scandal at Stanford and other colleges not 1 of the students or families involved were black. Everybody will focus on the 3 black kids on campus and question why are they there instead of the hundreds of legacy kids or non black kids that cheated their way in to that school.
@@cl10367 You must’ve been in such a rush to respond that you didn’t properly comprehend what I wrote. I never said ONLY ivy league, I said ESPECIALLY ivy league, I wasn’t speaking about only Ivy League sports teams I was talking about colleges in general and I never said the majority of athletes weren’t white. How and why did you make so many incorrect assumptions. And yes no kidding the majority of athletes at every college besides hbcu’s are white if you include all the other sports like volleyball, cross country, golf, baseball, tennis, hockey etc. Since you didn’t seem to understand what was written, what I meant was the black populations at these colleges are already incredibly small and a good amount of those black students are athletes, specifically football, basketball and track, so if you were to take away black students that were there on sports scholarships and in sports the black population would be a fraction of a fraction. Do you understand now? Please read to comprehend, not to respond and debate next time.
@@biscaynesupercars Because if you take away the athletes, selective schools do not get whiter, especially the ivy leagues. If you are talking about the west appalachia A&M, then who cares. Once you get rid of the athletic preference that overwhelmingly favors white kids, there is more room for non-white kids. I'm sorry if those spots are not all going to black kids but they are predominanhtly not going to white kids Your attempt to salvage your uninformed comment isn't going well.
@@Roboto129 obviously, they said they did that before yet non white and non wealthy kids were being excluded even when they were qualified which is the reason why they introduced affirmative action policies in the 1st place
I am African American. I had decent grades throughout grade school and high school, and I have a higher than average IQ (about 140). However, to tell you the truth, intelligence doesn't always more than adequately prepare you for the rigors of college and academic life. I had a horrible run at undergrad when I was young. I mean absolutely horrible. I was lucky to graduate. 20 years later, I went to grad school. I graduated at the top of my class with distinction just shy of a 4.0. I'll be starting my doctorate next spring. My point is, people change. My point is, just because someone doesn't produce the best grades, doesn't mean they are incapable of doing so. There are many factors that contribute to a person's academic success and failures. Socioeconomic factors for one. Some students simply do not excel because they are not adequately supported prior to applying for college. Some students need to be acclimated to the change in culture and lifestyle academic life will bring. Some students cannot work three jobs (as I did) and still do well in school. Let's keep this in mind when discussing merit and judging others.
What you experienced was adversity. What is being preferenced is skin color, not adversity. Not all black people experience adversity and black people do not have a monopoly on adversity.
140 is a ridiculous number for IQ. You're making stuff up. The number of Africans with an IQ that high can be rounded off to zero. Where did you even get that number? An online test?
also people need to realize evryone college path is different. I was a good student but i started out a community college cause i was not emotionally or financially ready to go off to a university. I still have a BA
Yours is a thoughtful post, but we can address it while still keeping it color-blind. There should not be any race identification in any type of application. Even for names, it would easy enough to assign anonymized codes in an application.
@@cl10367 We experience far more fiscal adversity as a community (as proven by annual census and tax return demographic monitoring) as a whole. That's the entire intent of AA. We need equity vs equality.
Do more to keep your people out of systemic racists practices in housing, jobs, and religion as well as education and you will see the preparation. Who is worrying about education if they can't afford to live. The stupidity of people like you is hilarious
@@naturelove831That’s not entirely true either. You just don’t know which ones are predominantly white or almost Hispanic. You may need to do your research.
@@foreverfly3113 I'm very aware of the dynamics which are different for each school, but that doesn't take away from the irony of the comment. Complaining about the lack of diversity but recommending a HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGE seems a little awkward. While the dynamics are changing, the culture of HBCUs, for the most part remain the same. Good day to you 🙄
It’s wrong to conflate diversity with only student race and not economic background etc. If MIT wants more diversity then they should set up prep programs at high schools with the demographics they want to increase.
Hbcu are black in name only. Owned by white people, funded by white people. They have diversity scholarships too, for non black people, and they aren't getting rid of them
I hope that's the result. But Im sure there will be people whining about why we have to have HBCU's. Every time we play their game, they go and change the rules on us
The people against Affirmative Action's arguments would hold more weight if they believed something systematic should be done to alleviate the disparities certain groups of people have based on where they're born and the conditions that they grow up in. But those same people probably don't support allocating extra funds to helping those communities out. I'd be willing to bet most of those people are against free school lunch, no way they'd support "leveling the playing field earlier" on a systemic level.
What if the anti-AA believe the systemic issues is not monetary, given that poor Asians, poor Nigerians, poor Cuban Americans still achieve at a higher rate than other race, cultures, ethnicities in the same poor economic status. What if the systemic issue is culture, values, priorities, fatherless homes. 90% of black high schoolers aspire to be Sports Stars and Entertainment Stars, not aspiring in academics. Thus they dominate those areas of society, while cultures that value Academics, dominate academics. Life is a compounding set of aggregate choices. It's why Nigerians, Ghanan, Jamaicans that culturally value Academics dominate entrance into Colleges more so than their native Black Americans who do not value Academics. Throwing money at a problem for the last 100 yrs has made things worst, because money as a Solution has it's limits when you don't correctly identify the primary Systemic issues. College is not for everyone, there are plenty of alternative life directions. Access to knowledge in the Age of the Internet is not a barrier. People gravitate towards what they value, we don't need to put college on a pedestal.
@@gazoontight unnecessary sementics. Its free to the child's perspective-- the one who would be the consumer, just like a free drink at a party is free to your perspective, even though someone else paid for it. Thats not nearly a strong enough argument to justify some kids not being able to eat lunch at a place they're required to be everyday.
@@ghengis423 Two points: 1, it isn't unnecessary semantics, somebody had to pay for the food, it isn't "free" and referring to it as such inculcates a sense of entitlement to things unearned; 2, I am not arguing that a child whose parents cannot afford a lunch be denied a lunch, but they must acknowledge that they are receiving largess from the fruits of other people's labors, not a boon that magically appeared on the lunch table.
@djhero0071 I put a bait out there, and it didn't take long for sjw to have existential crises where their fragile ego is threatened. Look, I'll put it all out there for you. Affirmative action does more harm for poc than good. Dr. Thomas Sowell described how he was treated in the 50s vs. 70s. Where he was more respected in the 50s vs. in the 70s, where he was treated like an undeserved person. Affirmative action started in the 60s. First, JFK later LBJ. Then, the inevitable backlash of the 80s with Ronald Reagan. History is repeating itself. Civil Rights Law was passed in the 60s to abolish Jim Crow law, but that was it. That was the only good thing that came out of that decade. We are in another backlash with Trump. The consequence of his election was the conservative Supreme Court. You sjw believe that poc are genetically inferior, so we need extra help. Well, you are going to keep getting backlash time after time. I've been around since the 70s, and it's not getting better it's getting worse. Your children and children's children will be worse off. And for what? So you can stroke your fragile ego?
Black people please start supporting HBCUs, they are just as good as of some of these so called Ivory league schools. Instead of "investing" in fake hair, nails, BBLs, eye lashes, rims, jewelry, and trying to become the next rapper we should be investing in tangible things that will benefit our community. Every other group does it.....Asians, Jews, Middle Easterns, Italians and etc. We have HBCUs and Medical/Dental schools. We should be partnering with top S.T.E.M schools in Africa and start grooming young and old to go beyond the successes of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos. We should be leaders in new tech and medicine and have tier one medical centers that rival Mass General. But unfortunately this plea will fall on deaf ears.
HBCUs aren't a good thing. It's just another way to discriminate and is counterproductive to the outcomes you seek. Integration into society is the solution. Not segregating your best and brightest from other universities. The "minorities" I've known that have become successful have learned to get along and integrate themselves in the corporate world just like anyone else successful.
“Instead of "investing" in fake hair, nails, BBLs, eye lashes, rims, jewelry, and trying to become the next rapper” ooohhhhh so THAT’S what those Black kids at MIT are up to. You sound racoonish.
@@karensbackIf i'm remembering correctly, there was a thing called Black Wall Street and many others. You'll do well to read up on that and see why and how it got destroyed.
@@TijuanaK That's the whole point. If you go to college it should solely be based on your academic merits. You need to earn your seat at the college. However, k-12 schools needs to be fixe. The public school system needs to be fixed and need to actually help prepare kids for college in any residential locations.
@@TijuanaKpublic schools, yes. Private schools, that’s a different story. Colleges will lose millions in donations from the wealthy parents. It’s the reality.
Affirmative action wasn’t just about race it was about all underrepresented groups that included gender especially women. Without AA women would not have gotten the access they have today in fact the percentage of women when AA was passed was below 23% now women make up the majority college population. So why don’t we hear about the gender aspect of AA? Well it’s because the group that benefited the most were white women they met the criteria of being underrepresented in a racial gender group but few media outlets talk about it. In fact conservatives first argued it discriminated against white students who had the grades but when it was uncovered there were more white students coz of higher women enrollment they switched their tactics to using Asian students.
The biggest sham is making people believe they have to go to certain "name brand" schools to be successful. There are plenty of excellent colleges and universities across the country. In the long run, where you go to college has very little bearing on how successful, happy, or fulfilled you will be in life.
Thats true but the world is so acrewing on your resume when you putbdown the schools u went to to get your degrees rvery job interview and boss want to see that
I agree with you 100%. BUT, every time a politician gives a speech about education, he or she is talking about university. Look at what happened to the Vo-Tech (vocational technical) schools, gone. Up to the 1980s there were public places where people could learn welding, mechanics, A/C, without getting a student loan for thousands of dollars to go to a private school. Look at what happened to Community Colleges. Again, up to the 1990s they were the place to get a degree in 18 months. Now they all focus on being junior colleges, another path to more university.
As a retired Electrical Engineer a diverse team will always out perform a none diverse team because of the diverse thought process each group has to input in a final product to sale to a multitude of people that equals higher profits. Most of the people would never listen to a week person trying to tell you how to get stronger or a poor person telling you how to get rich. But for some odd reason we have attorneys trying to step in the science and technology field and tell them diversity is not good for anyone but we in the industry know it’s very important if you want to create products that are marketable to the world not just those who look the same as you!!
Universities don't produce a diversity of IDEAS. One of them being Asian and 3 black won't change they were all taught the same physics. This is a serious problem in academia but you can't substitute one for the other. Incidentally if you disagree with your profs about what they teach, you get encouraged to leave or in some cases even expelled. Race is not the issue.
It’s not fair to all the enrolled applicants to be deprived of learning opportunities that students at lower ranked schools are getting by being part of diverse classrooms. I want classrooms filled with people of all backgrounds because I’m going to learn something that selfishly might help me connect with someone important later on.
@@dipset4016that isnt how learning at school works. Once people are forcing segregation in school, i will back what you are saying, but that isnt whats happening.
Why NBA and professional sports does not have diversity?? My kids did not get into ivy league on their merit because of AA. Look at the difference after just 1 year. America lost on merit in the name of AA and now it has to catch up lost grounds.
They did a study. Identical resumes were sent to employers. The resumes with black sounding names were rejected at a much higher percentage. If anything affirmative action made things more fair and balanced.
@@Agapehao oh yes, I can read but apparently you can't. I wasn't referring to the candidate's past experience, I was referring to the employer's experience with that demographic. Perhaps you should reread it a couple of times more.....or go back to school to learn how to read at a proficient level.👍
Actually, affirmative action did the opposite and really created institutionalize racism at a time when we were attempting to make society more fair for everyone.
I’m surprised it was only a 6% increase. The way they were screaming about affirmative action made it seem like they were being kept out in massive numbers. I was expecting like a 20% difference and I didn’t think they were already 41% of the class profile while AA was running.
It would help significantly if schools in communities where minorities are the majority are given equal opportunities. There are schools in Baltimore County that enroll, pass and graduate students that can barely read and write. I'm in the next county over and that is not the experience of our students. It's shameful.
same with Detroit schools. I talked to a guy that was from such schools and he used his uncle's address to get transferred to our school district. He said if you showed up to school and tried you got an A+. All exams were open book. I was like dang that sounds like the life and he laughs and goes no... he said they don't teach you crap. He said you just read the book and on exam day look up tin the book and find the answers. He said even if you got them wrong they will give you an A for trying and participating. He said you will graduate with a 4.0 and go to college to just fail. I just has a cousin that was a city over by Detroit and she got a 4.0 and my uncle praised her to be really Smart they came form another country and she got admission to their highschool. Anyways, she got a 4.0 and was a math tutor for the school. She got into college and flunked 3 years and then gave up. She quit and got a job at a pharmacy as a pharmacist assistant.
@@cameronno6039 start in the home. Most black kids don’t have a father figure. 80% of black families are single household- a majority being fatherless. They’ll need 24/7 counseling services with male figures. The black community has really bad subcultures that people don’t want to admit. They have no one to look up to but sports players and rappers. Yes, this does affect them.
Not really a good comparison. College football players go into the pros and do “the same thing.” College graduates enter the workforce and do something completely different. No one is a professional student for life. In college, part of it is learning to navigate social life and develop skills that will allow you to be successful outside of the classroom.
So true they should definitely stay in the technology box because they’re not good at ANYTHING else, you don’t see Asian athletes, entertainers or any industry where they are physically SEEN they kinda just get there little piece of indoctrination paper and fade off into the background none of them are actually individually recognizable 🤷🏽♀️
All applications should have the person name and race etc. However, the people that makes the admission decisions should only be given a application number. They should not know anything about the persons race or where they grew up in. It should solely be what school you attended in highschool and your academic merits. Community college is always an option if you graduated highschool and cannot get into a university. You can always go to a community college and transfer into a university.
Watch how the game is played. No change for White population, there the story tries to pit Asian vs Blacks. The purpose of affirmative action is to give blacks an equal fitting by take a place for those of the least qualified of the qualified. As soon as affirmative action is in place the white leadership instead took the top spots, highest qualified asians and gave it to the blacks. So instead of having white america which enslaved the black population in the past to help make america more equal, instead disadvantage the asians. So regardless whether there's affirmative action or not white population never loses. This story is just part of systemic blindness to how the race game is being played.
@@louispeddiltton47You think you’re smug and on a throne. But here’s the reality… Very few non-whites think like you in terms of superiority and keeping the “others” in line. However, when your type acts the way you do, it creates a wedge and a feeling of “oh so that’s how it is”. Now, when you look at the census projections, your percentage of the US population will be surpassed in 20 years. So, if you don’t want the same bias and negativity you are sending out, reciprocated back to you, you should try to be a little less smug and more of a…better person.
@fallcolors05, and that same argument doesn't apply to Asian students? Less blacks and Latinos but more Asians? Especially given the fact that the percentage for white kids hasn't changed much?
@@sandrasweeb8863it does not apply to wish students NOW. After the Harvard study showing how AA was discriminating specifically against mostly Asian students for enrollment to get more DEI students in, it was clear that color wasn't the defining trait as Asians are not considered people of color for some reason
Asian parents are highly involved in their childs education and don't tolerate any slack from their children. They therefore have the best scholastic record when applying. Children raised in lower income areas have lousy schools. Bad teachers, old textbooks, not enough computers, more bullying and parents too exhausted from working three jobs to be a better parent no matter how much they wish they could. As for white students, they are given opportunities to have a good education, but too many are looking for a get rich quick, or how to make money without working hard than applying themselves to their education.
Love to see it. Just shows how many asians wete being unfairly treated by stupid race based program when a program based on economic background is way more fair and makes way more sense.
Asian admission dropped at Ivy Leagues btw. Black and Hispanic admission stayed steady. White admission rose. Perhaps it was whites that were being unfairly discriminated in order to admit Asians.
Maybe America shouldnt be so fixated on race, and start focusing on educating kids the same regardless of their ethnicity and socio-economic background.
They’re not talking about other colleges on campus and online, and HBCUs are up in enrollments! People want greater alternatives to a decent education!
It is not that simple. If you take that approach, then kids from wealthier families with private schools since kindergarten and personal tutors and paid college admissions consultants will have an unfair advantage. Source: That’s exactly what I did for my son and it worked. A lower income family with a talented capable student does not have the resources or legacy parents to compete with that.
meritocracy for school is what we need, not base on color but base on score. I don't see nba doing anything about 90% of their pro player being black, at the end of the day best in their area takes the spot. putting unqualify people to important position will only result in regressing of society
AA is not bad, since you want those who are disadvantaged from an unfair playing field to offer them a chance. But it's not the asians which enslaved black people, and the asians are at the top of the qualified pool, it's really spot giving up spot from least qualified of the qualified, and most likely that's a white qualification spot. What's unfair is this story tries to pit asians vs blacks, when it's really white leadership messing up what AA is meant to implement
@@metrolights9112 AA was discrimination against asian or meritocracy as whole, the pool is always the same size, obviously some one gonna lose. asian being the best at this and biggest group there obviously the one taking the beating from these none sense. Like I said before, if NBA dont need no AA about their pro selection. neither does our education system, judge by their ability not by their color.
Merit and hard work needs just as more recognition than just the color of your skin … These kids who get top SAT scores are not partying / clubbing but sitting and studyinghard x 4 yrs of high school + volunteering + clubs + leadership so give them thier due too .. Gotta be fair to them too ..
@ActualFactual-f5m uh no. So many minorities have JOBS, don't have access to transportation, computers, nutrition, Healthcare. There's WAY more to it. I've been working since I was 12 years old, so yeah, sorry I couldn't join the chess club or track after school and had to figure out how to get there in the first place. Couldn't eat till about 4pm and no computer in the home. It sounds like these problems aren't yours and you think it's "partying" Embarrassing.
@1:30 - "more diverse environments produce more innovation". Can you please cite the double-blind study that backs up this statement? I hear statements like this often, but I haven't read any studies which backs up this claim.
I will say i like a more diverse climate. I think all white is boring and i want a diverse world. But as for schooling? Get the highest grades in. Dont be complicit in stupidity.
It's just like ESG. Poorly thought out double speak for the social media generation where your follower count dictates your credibility and authority on a subject.
Dang I wish I had access to my work computer atm. There are articles and research to support it. I will say the articles did not focus solely on race as the diversity aspect. The way I see it about diverse environments and innovation is it often breaks up “group think” tendencies. If you have a group of people who come from similar cultural and economic backgrounds, are of the same gender, they all process information the same neurologically, perform the same physically and so on, they are often limited in perspective and ideas which makes it more difficult to solve problems or be innovative. I really do hate that this story only focused on race because it is WAY more than that!
Engineer here, baffled as you are. I do not understand how who eats this or that or listens to this music or that music would have any bearing in developing an alloy or choosing a material or recognizing metal fatigue. Who on earth goes “wow, you found the break in that line of code, please tell me what condiments you use at home” ? Ridiculous.
@@theeTJYou do not even find persons that think alike in the same family. Much less in the same country. To think that a person of Chinese background from Florida and another person from Chinese background from Oregon should not be allowed to work together because it would lack diversity is demented. To think that Michael from Detroit and Clarise from Los Angeles should not work together because both listen to rap music is demented. To think that Johnny from Montana and Roger from Texas should not work together because both like hamburgers and listen to Bruce Springsteen is demented. That study sounds as bogus as it can be. What?! A white guy may want to use aluminum 7075 and a black guy may want to use stainless 304 and the Asian guy will want to use titanium and the final decision would go to whoever listens to K-pop? What kind of engineering decision would that be? And, by the way, the Asian guy is from Vietnam and doesn’t care for K-pop. So, calling him Asian for diversity as if anybody from that continent would fill the spot, is the real discrimination.
Putting resources towards black underfunded schools pre-k and up would help. If all schools received the same funding and every child had access to a "good" pre k-high school. That would help. If these schools incorporated SAT prep into their school curriculum that would also help as it would give all students access to it.
No many cities have and nothing improves. Till you solve cultural problems then something will change. They worship drug dealers, celebrities, and athletes too much.
This exposes a bigger problem. A lack of resources and access to a quality education for black americans. Investing in the underfunded schools and areas where young black children live would help young black children have a chance to get into college. When people just say it's based on merit they're conveniently leaving out the resources and access students who are applying have. Since segregation ended in the end of the 60's in the US the government should have invested in the underfunded black schools allowing black children access to a quality education. The government did a lot in it's power to exploit blacks and segregate them in society and a lot of their efforts work. That's a truth a lot of people do not care to admit. These low diversity numbers show the fallout from this.
It also fails to showcase how Charter schools are really schools created to exploit those communities, and literally give students the same poor education at a higher cost to the taxpayer
You saying black people not getting educated while Asian students who come abroad who know nothing about American culture yet still do better than black Americans, what's the excuse? Especially when most Asian students don't come from an English background
@@strongmermaid4651I graduated high school in Baltimore and went to Georgetown University I was selected as a freshman in high school. My grades stayed at 4.0 throughout school. Oh and I lived in Westport and cherry hill projects. To answer your question it's not about the environment or race it's about your mentality as a person. I refused to believe the bs I was being taught by yt teachers who only taught at my school because mommy and daddy stop funding their drug and alcohol fueled parties that caused their grades to fall therefore embarrassing them at their country club. So, they decided to become teachers to have their students loans reduced and the school system erase their debt completely after 2 years a n d if they taught in low performing minority schools there debt will be forgiven after a year. How about you do some research before you open your keyboard mouth.
@@jonathanng138 you slow do you really think those imported Asians don't know how or understand English and American culture? Newsflash, they know more than you. My daughter teaches English and American studies to Japanese and Chinese students. Their favorite class is Black American culture. The only Asians running their mouth about AA are the Americanized Asians. If 95% of them returned to China and especially Japan they wouldn't even be allowed to attend Hight School because they would be considered ignorant. I suggest you travel outside the united state and then you will understand.
Because most young Black Americans prefer not to be in any environment that is nearly 90% all Asian and white, there has been an overwhelming muted response coming from the black community. We have just moved on.😊
Here's a thought. Maybe the "affected" students should get better grades and test scores instead of feeling entitled to an unfair advantage? Hmm... Just a thought.
It’s kinda hard to get better grades when you are forced to work after school and have access to no tutoring services. It’s weird to me that you guys act like as if everyone comes from the exact same home environment so they’re just being lazy or something.
Or maybe people have legitimate limitations like having to work after school and access to no tutoring services. Why do you guys act like as if the playing field is absolutely levelled when it comes to educational opportunities.
@@thezu9250 Kyle comes from privilege. He is literally incapable of putting himself in someone else’s shoes and will never amount to anything outside being another number. He has zero critical thinking skills. This is by design.
And that the are no Majority Black owners either. In fact they keep getting denied. And why hasn’t there ever been a Black NFL or NBA commissioner ever? 🤔
@@foreverfly3113 Or in soccer, despite a huge chunk of players being black, there is a stonewalling effort to keep black people from having ownership of a club.
It is not true that only wealthy families have better-educated kids. Many Asian families are not rich, including the famous AI professor Feifei Li, whose family was first-generation immigrants. Asians came to this country much later and were under discrimination as well for a long time. Asians put more value on family and hard work.
Asians have not gone through mass subjugation on the level that African-Americans have gone through. Not even remotely. The census said that 89% of Asians in the country came after the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
the only blacks who benefit from AA are those most privileged, even by middle class standards. just look at the types of cars they have at harvard compared to your typical harvard student. why not harness the resources toward community colleges, which will definitely benefit blacks that are truly disadvantaged?
I do not understand why people like you love to say whatever random thought you have as fact, yet not backed up by any data. It explains why some political campaigns say the most ridiculous talking points and a certain segment just takes it at face value.
I don't care who you are or what you look like, as long as you meet the requirements that they are setting (i.e Test Scores, GPA etc.), results and merit over feelings
Merit isn't real. Or if it is, it can easily be traced to a legacy of opportunity or success. On average, people do about as well as the generation before them and/or the community that surrounds them. If you aren't going to do anything about hamstringing the generations before them, then the least you can do is try to repair the community they are in: affirmative action. The data shows clearly that black and Latino students are benefited more greatly by their admission than children from other communities. Why? Because changing their setting and social circumstances is not as likely to happen otherwise. Moreover, I hate the discussion on Merit as if the students admitted prior were not incredible. At these elite institutions, all of them (except the athletes and the legacies) were 4.0 students or better. They all had incredible resumes that would make most parents blush. On average, the difference was act or sat scores. And even there, we are talking about the differences in half percentages. Children admitted to MIT with a 33, instead of 36 are still brilliant. This argument was mispremised from the beginning. It was never about race as the whole thing, but in America we'd be lying to say it isn't a thing. A supreme court fiat doesn't change that. A generation removed from the largest racial movement in the world doesn't change that. To handwave away our nation's legacy (and reality) merely to benefit a few is a crass sign of indifference and indignity. It's a false morality and it will do more harm than good, even for the newly admitted students. Not to mention the obvious harm done to the black and brown students that aren't admitted.
No these students are always at the bottom of their classes in Ivy colleges too. These communities need to change their attitudes to education at an earlier age.
It’s all about early age development. I am a lower class Asian immigrant who was failing behind in middle school cus the after school program my parents put me in was practically a free babysitting program for parents that work well into night hours. They didn’t tutor anything but let kids do homework and play basketball until parents pick us up. My dad was able to find a local math tutor that charged a pretty high price to tutor me and I barely got a C in math in 8th grade. But it gave me a foundation to survive high school and get into UC Irvine on loans and working part time to pay it off rn. Asian immigrants are in the trenches too.
FYI my dad works at a Chinese Herb shop selling herbs and tea to some of the oldest forgotten and mistreated Asian elders communities. It would be nice with schools provided more elite afterschool tutoring and mentoring programs for all diverse communities in the country.
No one is forcing them to do anything. They’re just trying to make sure that they’re not losing brilliant students because they don’t have the socioeconomic opportunities to do as well on testing.
My niece just started William and Mary. No one ever talks about W&M, its like the forgotten College. Everyone just talks about Harvard, Yale, MIT, UCLA, UMass. Even though W&M is the second oldest college in the US.
This isn't about college, anybody can go to college. This is about exclusivity. Who gets to go to highly exclusive colleges. And THAT is a zero sum game.
@@moiseshuerta3984 information ≠ education The Internet can be an invaluable tool for learning, but not everyone will learn just by virtue of having access to the Web. I rather have the impression that most people will spend their time online consuming media. We cannot begrudge anyone for that, but let’s not act like people are spending their time on the Net mastering complex concepts and making the world a better place.
@@cl10367 I suppose you’re right. In the end, schools will always retain their right to exclude - as exclusion creates the basis for prestige. There’s hardly any incentive to move away from the current model. Still, I don’t think that there’s always needs to be a rational allocation of prestige. Fairness means different things to different parties. The SCOTUS decision on affirmative action is just a pendulum swing in the opposite direction.
The differences are actually very small in my opinion.Striking down AA really didn’t do anything.Less people are going to college in the first place.And if they do they’re going to community colleges and then transferring to universities because it’s cheaper.
^ Exactly! And based on data and not emotions...The target was AA/black/ADOS numbers...we wonder why? The numbers don't lie..some of which were not even hitting the first double digits....This is how that " twice as hard" speech comes in for AA/ADOS/black mantra comes in...As we can see, even if it was twice as hard, the numbers would still be behind... Affirmative Action minor benefits...not on the level that some.may have thought...
yeah righ! Asian student work really hard for there grades, they study of the time. Truth is most of black or hispanic dont like going higher education after high school or go trade school for skills.
Once the black athletes realize they can go to an HBCU and dominate in the majority of sports then we will see a backlash of this bill. Money changes everything.
You don't understand the words you are using. An institution that voluntarily gave preferences to blacks is not institutionally racist. Removing that preference does not suddenly make that institution racist.
@@cl10367 an institution, that upholds policies that punish high performing students and giving preferential treatment to lower performers of a particular race is, by very definition, institutional racism. Mental gymnastics continues go on
@@captainlinsano7739 You're using a pretty unconventional definition of institutional racism. It is typically racism that aligns with racism in the broader society.
@@cl10367 and it was applied in schools using race preferences for admittance of under qualified individuals. Which the Supreme Court correctly identified.
An important data point that is being overlooked is the number of applications from students of color this year compared to applications in previous years. A drop in applications from students of color would lead to fewer of them meeting the admissions criteria.
Your reasoning doesn’t make sense at all. Do Asians make up 50% of the U.S. population? No. And international students won’t make up that large of the percentage.
This is why college is a challenging topic. I believe in affirmative action does have its place. In large part due to fact a college submission is just one part raising the money and passing the courses is way more important. Unfortunately, fewer individuals will have the opportunity to prove themselves. I do not believe a large portion of student get in on merit.
Try doing good in a black and brown school and it still not meeting the States top schools because those schools have more resources. That means being at the top of a smaller mountain. That's what minority schools dealt with for years and AA was all they had to even the playing field.
@@steventalik4782 All about money. It doesn't matter what grades "they" get. The Asians were "used" to get AA policy dismantled. Soon, it will be too many of them in certain schools and you know who will be complaining.
But they don't. While everyone is hyper-focusing on race, they're missing the red elephant in the room called legacy admissions and nepotism, which continue unopposed in big, big numbers. It makes race-based AA look like a drop in a bucket compared to the ocean.
admissions should be based on hard work, dedication, and study, grades reflect that, so go to an easy high school and inflate those grades. Put so much pressure on the teachers that they give everyone A's or you'll write a bad Yelp review.
It’s not what school you go to or what grades you get in school. It’s about the ACT in the SATs. If you don’t do well on those because you don’t know things, it’s not the colleges fault.
People are focusing on the last leg of the race not realizing the full picture of failure in promoting students who shouldn’t have passed grade school let alone high school. Then wondering why they don’t qualify for their first choice of universities. Teach kids the consequences of not learning early in school. Make them responsible for their own future. And stop blaming every external factor for your own failures.
Who cares? People deserve to be there on merit, not based on the color of their skin or ethnicity. Asian kids test higher than black/hispanic kids? Great. They deserve their spot. These other kids can go to other schools that are more in tune with their aptitude and test scores. All this is a positive step in the right direction.
The thing is that there are 100 qualified applications for each spot. No minority kid was ever accepted just because they were a minority. They were just as qualified as anyone else.
As a black person who applied to several Ivy League PhD programs and got rejected from all 3, I can say that while I was studying for the GRE last year (I score a 321), I realized that I didn’t get a top GRE score because I didn’t pay for it. The practice tests and official practice book are expensive, not to mention the test itself. I was borrowing an unofficial guide from the library that was in high demand and I had to return every two weeks. They didn’t allow us to take the official guide out the library so I stopped staying overtime at my job so I could study before the library closed. This put me at jeopardy of losing my job and was a lot of extra stress right before I took the test. Going back the disadvantages started much earlier when I moved cities and lived in a more minority filled area where the schools weren’t as good and my high school didn’t have a library so I stopped reading as much. This hurt my vocabulary level and reading skills in a way that affected my GRE, SAT, and ACT scores. That being said I’m not really mad they took away affirmative action. I got into a good PhD program and got a nice fellowship (although it’s one that targets minorities) so I can’t complain. I’m basically just saying that while things are more equal now than they were when affirmative action first started, they are still not completely equal. If we are taking it away, test score and GPA should not be the only measure of merit because a person’s background (particularly they’re income level which is highly correlated with race) highly affects that.
@@kadenreed8603 Good for you. I worked for a high tech chemical company and there was a 3 hr exam to be consider for their research team. Where people got their advanced degree was not a factor. What they knew was. I saw people from Ivy league schools crash/burn within 30 min., while those from obscure schools breezed through. So make the most of your education and learn - Don't count on the name of your school for your success (however you want to define it)
if your unable to rely on your merits you simply shouldn't be there. i dont know why thats so offensive/ controversial. Im a black man myself that didnt come from money i worked hard to get accepted into a top engineering school thats how to should be.
@0:56 - your math doesn't add up. Previous year is 13% + 15% + 41% + 38% = 107%. The percentages listed for this year adds up to 100%, but you can't compare the makeup of this year's class against last year's class when the data is bad.
The race information is "self reported." The reason the data adds up to over 100% is that students are allowed to indicate more than one option. Native American and Pacific Islander are two choices listed in the application, but not included in the chart above that would bring the current year slightly above 100%. Additionally you have rounding that can bring totals above 100%. To me this chart suggests that in prior years, students potentially chose multiple options to help their chances at getting in by meeting several of the diversity thresholds. But in the latest year may have only chosen one option because race was no longer one of the criteria used for admission.
I think it's fantastic. Black people need to focus on building and owning our own educational institutions instead of going into debt giving away our wealth and young talent. I hope enrollment next year is 0%. BUILD YOUR OWN!
There used to be an intellectual and professional black "class" that did all this work for the culture but it evaporated when segregation did. Sowell was always arguing that was a great loss.
It should be based on economic circumstances, not race. Because when you have to work to help your family pay bills all through school, have no access to transportation, healthcare, good food, technology, with immense stress daily, its certainly not fair. So accept a certain amount based off of income.
Scott Galloway has been calling this Green Discrimination - as in money. Take away university's tax free endowment status until they increase their enrollment
@@louispeddiltton47yeah just study harder meanwhile legacy admissions still exist because got forbid rich kids might have to compete and study harder too
Says any black person with debt...And what many AA/black/ADOS are also truthfully stating...As a multi degreed ADOS person, I would agree despite graduating years ago. I would also add that student debt is a major contender issue for my age group as well as those who have/are coming after my class of peers...How do I need? I work in crisis work and that includes college enrolled and bound students...many stating if not all, student loans being a major factor leading to their crisis or those who graduate and can not afford life after ( college) due to student loans debt...So this statement isn't wrong..per Se...maybe the blanket- ness of it...but not wrong...
You can argue for affirmative action, but you have to be willing to bite the bullets of your position. Most advocates of affirmative action are not willing to bite those bullets. Freddie deBoer, who would be considered far-left by most Americans, had this to say on the subject: ''It remains profoundly weird that people who want to defend affirmative action can’t straightforwardly say what it does. Affirmative action is a system in which students of color who would not ordinarily gain entry to a given college are given a slot thanks to consideration of their racial background, on grounds of diversity or addressing systemic bias. But if you say “these college kids got in because of affirmative action,” that’s a horrible, racist thing to say. I can’t think of another progressive program where the defenders of that program have forbidden people from saying that the system is working as it is intended to work. Very strange."
The original sentiment was dumb. That's not how to right the wrongs of slavery, by assuming blacks can't get in by their own merit. It should be 100% merit based, if poor immigrants can do it why cant blacks do it? Children of refugees, who come here at start from nothing, can do it
It's very telling that this Dr. Danielle Wood admits to not being qualified on her own merit to be admitted and getting her degree at MIT, and was an affirmative action recipient.
Asian American here. I was up for a diversity program slot but the program was run by women. Looking at the applicants who got in that year and in the past, if they were men they needed to be also lgbtq. Not kidding. Have a merit-based scholarship based on need not diversity.
There will be a disproportionately large number of Asian admitted to elite universities. We have already seen this at the University of California system, which got rid of affirmative action in the 90s. There is white flight from school districts when an increasing number of Asians enroll. Exam-based NYC public schools like Stuyvesant have really high admissions rates for Asians. I predict there will be a trending increase of the percentage of Asians admitted and enrolled at elite universities
I would like to know if MIT had similar amounts of African-American applicants as in past years, as many black students have opted to apply and enroll in prominent HBCUs such as Howard University, Spelman College, Clark Atlanta University, Hampton University, Morehouse College, etc.
School just started there’s no way you can convince that 80-90 less AA students is a problem for other students. Also, get rid of legacy admissions next. Honestly legacy nepotism is worse than AA.
@@louispeddiltton47 🤣 don’t bet much. No one cares, yet college admissions are under a microscope now 😂. How will classes go smoother with students unqualified to be there?
BP just decided to enroll in HBCUs instead of PWIs. I know if I was a teen now, I would have went to a HBCU instead. It’s not about ability but going where you feel wanted.
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They should have gotten rid of legacy admissions if they were really about keeping things fair and equal. The fact that wasn't even up for debate speaks volumes.
Edit: A lot of the replies to this comment, justifying legacies, just prove people don't really want a leveled meritocracy (and it seems like some know that doesn't really exist with any policy being suggested). They just want to see certain groups have avenues to have a leg up and for others to be held back. Just full of bad faith arguments.....
@@Blackjack09721 it’s not about fairness. It’s about keeping black people out of high paying jobs and academia/avenues for building inter generational wealth. Wake up.
God forbid the rich kids have to compete
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It speaks volumes about Asian “Americans”. All this ruckus for 7%?! What’s that in raw numbers.
If you want to the bottom of many issues, follow the money.
Instead of focusing on college, you need to fix K-12 education.
Facts 💯
ALL those school shootings do happen at predominantly BLACK schools, right?
@@louispeddiltton47yep...
@@louispeddiltton47 those negative stereotypes are part of the problem. you say "black schools" are violent but you've never seen mass shootings at black schools...
@@noahvideo12yes most school mass shootings are at white schools but there are more violent instances at schools that have the highest population of POC but in my opinion that reasoning has to do with a wealth difference between the attending students families rather than the skin color.
The violence from when I lived in the trailer park was more about making money related and the kids at the rich High school I went was more about bullying.
They dont take in account HBCUs enrollment has increased since the ruling.
It hasn’t the schools are closing
@@The_king567it has.
Dear black people, we have HBCU’s! Invest in our own ❤
Back to segregation?
They are a spike has happened
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So are you for segregation? Because this is what you want to promote here. ironically enough people like you who says to be against racism wants to have most racist things out there... At the moment you have anything which includes race in it, its racist. Black only universities? Then why would you scream against white only universities? What's next? Black only bathrooms?... You didn't learn anything from the past, aren't you now? If you want to stop racism stop including race into every single thing out there.
Nah they are terrible schools for a reason we should ban them
Right go where you are encourage and celebrated
Get rid of LEGACY ADMISSIONS. That’s the only way to see the truth of the situation
Exactly because did not earn their way into the college
@@angelahampton5730 exactly why affirmative action was banned. I agree legacy is dumb too.
@@Beck-Stein you’re uneducated about affirmative action. Read sometimes before posting
@@angelahampton5730 i have and affirmative action doesn’t help those it was intended for at all. It was suppose to help poor American blacks. But the majority of the recipients were Africans and wealthy college educated blacks. Read a book sometimes. You can apologize now.
@@Beck-Stein this is true. I must have misunderstood what you were saying.
Why aren't they talking about the drop in enrollment of Asian students at other universities? Cherry-picking the headlines.
Because it would show how the Asians fell for the old banana in the tailpipe trick, from the white supremacists. And also show how those folks really feel about them, and their attempts to get in where they don't fit in
Because they want Black people to care about Affirmative Action. Black people could care less.
asians only want to go to MIT and stopped applying to other ivy leagues since now they aren't being discriminated against
That's how the racist news reports on this issue - a drop in black students is a bad thing, but somehow and increase in Asian students is not a good thing
@@stopgettingtriggeredI think you misunderstood the original comment. Asian enrollment has declined since AA was removed
The students say they care about diversity, but take a look at who's standing next to them. They hang out with people who look just like them. They only say they care about diversity because that's what they're supposed to say.
💯 They put a national news reporter, with a camera, in their face. What does one think they are going to say? They could very well be one of the students who make these diverse students feel unwelcome and they are taking their spots.
Right ✅️ You don't have to be a MIT student to know that. College nowadays like a sorority admission SISTERHOOD OF THE YA-YA CLUB I'm so glad my college years wasn't like that. Good riddance to these new ages of lost souls 👏🏽
exactly..I also laughed when the guy said one of the reasons he came to MIT is diversity...
That because MIT removed legacy admissions. That gave more opportunities to Asians a drop in whites
How about we invest more to pre college education in minority communities instead of just blame on ending AA?
affirmative action is not bad, what is bad is white leadership takes the spot from asians and give it to blacks rather than taking a spot from the least qualified pool of the qualified and give to the blacks. Why not because it would mean it would take a spot away from white population.
That's if schools are not being currently defunded by various powers.
Invest? Minority schools will have to beg for that. They've begged already for years. Affirmative action was all these black and brown kids had left and now we took it away. Ashamed of this ruling by the Supreme Court.
How about Black and Latina families stop raising children in single parent homes, and encourage their children to turn off the video games and study more?
@@dwight_klaus2981OMG, YOUR SO RIGHT! 😲Let me just spontaneously change my socioeconomic background and find the serial number for a missing parent so I can replace them. Why didn’t I think of that?!!!
I think I had that code somewhere around here…☝️😗
Skin color should never be a factor in admissions or employment.
Exactly
But it is, and it's not going away .
It's not "skin color," but go off
What's your take on loans,availability of healthcare, just asking
But it already is, unfortunately. And always has been. Just in reverse. It's naive (or disingenuous) to think otherwise.
Colleges especially Ivy League colleges are already some of the whitest places in the country. If you take away the athletes its even whiter. Banning any affirmative action would drop black student enrollment from just a few to barely any at all. Yet legacy students aren’t an issue. Nobody pointed out that during that college admission scandal at Stanford and other colleges not 1 of the students or families involved were black. Everybody will focus on the 3 black kids on campus and question why are they there instead of the hundreds of legacy kids or non black kids that cheated their way in to that school.
Ivy league athletes are predominantly white. Most of the sports teams are country club sports like crew, lacrosse, field hockey, etc.
@@cl10367 You must’ve been in such a rush to respond that you didn’t properly comprehend what I wrote. I never said ONLY ivy league, I said ESPECIALLY ivy league, I wasn’t speaking about only Ivy League sports teams I was talking about colleges in general and I never said the majority of athletes weren’t white. How and why did you make so many incorrect assumptions. And yes no kidding the majority of athletes at every college besides hbcu’s are white if you include all the other sports like volleyball, cross country, golf, baseball, tennis, hockey etc. Since you didn’t seem to understand what was written, what I meant was the black populations at these colleges are already incredibly small and a good amount of those black students are athletes, specifically football, basketball and track, so if you were to take away black students that were there on sports scholarships and in sports the black population would be a fraction of a fraction. Do you understand now? Please read to comprehend, not to respond and debate next time.
@@biscaynesupercars Because if you take away the athletes, selective schools do not get whiter, especially the ivy leagues. If you are talking about the west appalachia A&M, then who cares.
Once you get rid of the athletic preference that overwhelmingly favors white kids, there is more room for non-white kids. I'm sorry if those spots are not all going to black kids but they are predominanhtly not going to white kids
Your attempt to salvage your uninformed comment isn't going well.
If admission would only be based on grades and SAT score, nobody would question why anybody is there. It would be because they earned it.
@@Roboto129 obviously, they said they did that before yet non white and non wealthy kids were being excluded even when they were qualified which is the reason why they introduced affirmative action policies in the 1st place
Should be based on academic merit not race.
It’s not based on academic merit. Research continues to demonstrate a positive correlation between income/class and acceptance to top institutions.
@@marisol9660 Plenty of poor Asians will prove your "research" wrong.
@@Lp78Ch let’s not ignore the bias and fallacy around the “model minority”
@@Lp78Ch most Asians who come here are not poor
Exactly it should be based on academic merit not on the ability to pay. If it were that way they would be less Asians and whites in college.
I am African American. I had decent grades throughout grade school and high school, and I have a higher than average IQ (about 140). However, to tell you the truth, intelligence doesn't always more than adequately prepare you for the rigors of college and academic life. I had a horrible run at undergrad when I was young. I mean absolutely horrible. I was lucky to graduate. 20 years later, I went to grad school. I graduated at the top of my class with distinction just shy of a 4.0. I'll be starting my doctorate next spring. My point is, people change. My point is, just because someone doesn't produce the best grades, doesn't mean they are incapable of doing so. There are many factors that contribute to a person's academic success and failures. Socioeconomic factors for one. Some students simply do not excel because they are not adequately supported prior to applying for college. Some students need to be acclimated to the change in culture and lifestyle academic life will bring. Some students cannot work three jobs (as I did) and still do well in school. Let's keep this in mind when discussing merit and judging others.
What you experienced was adversity. What is being preferenced is skin color, not adversity. Not all black people experience adversity and black people do not have a monopoly on adversity.
140 is a ridiculous number for IQ. You're making stuff up. The number of Africans with an IQ that high can be rounded off to zero. Where did you even get that number? An online test?
also people need to realize evryone college path is different. I was a good student but i started out a community college cause i was not emotionally or financially ready to go off to a university. I still have a BA
Yours is a thoughtful post, but we can address it while still keeping it color-blind. There should not be any race identification in any type of application. Even for names, it would easy enough to assign anonymized codes in an application.
@@cl10367 We experience far more fiscal adversity as a community (as proven by annual census and tax return demographic monitoring) as a whole. That's the entire intent of AA.
We need equity vs equality.
Do more to prepare young people for college. Trying to solve diversity through college admissions is too late.
Do more to keep your people out of systemic racists practices in housing, jobs, and religion as well as education and you will see the preparation. Who is worrying about education if they can't afford to live. The stupidity of people like you is hilarious
Says the Asian guy, who fought to get rid of Affirmative Action, because it didn't benefit your community.
Or get rid of cultural traits that proclaim that work and study is bad. But, that would be an affront to some.
You can do both
@@Roboto129literally no culture claims that, but race warriors will do anything to have a stereotype.
Diversity is one of the biggest reasons I came to MIT.
No, it's not. You went for the brand name. If you wanted diversity, you'd have gone to a HBCU
HBCU's are predominantly one race so that's no so diverse either.
Terrible school to use as a generalizable example too. It's arguable the most elite school in the nation.
@@naturelove831That’s not entirely true either. You just don’t know which ones are predominantly white or almost Hispanic. You may need to do your research.
@@foreverfly3113 I'm very aware of the dynamics which are different for each school, but that doesn't take away from the irony of the comment. Complaining about the lack of diversity but recommending a HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGE seems a little awkward. While the dynamics are changing, the culture of HBCUs, for the most part remain the same. Good day to you 🙄
lol what? if you want diversity go to a HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGE?
It’s wrong to conflate diversity with only student race and not economic background etc. If MIT wants more diversity then they should set up prep programs at high schools with the demographics they want to increase.
Great Point
MIT already does that. They were doing it in the 20th century. Go look-up MITES (formerly OEOP).
@@Kitty8791 They didn't realize societal change takes generations. They want it now.
They spend more money already on intercity schools. It's NOT money.
MIT should accept based on merit
HBCU is the way to go.
Exactly, stay away from places that don't want you in the first place.
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i 100% would’ve went to an hbcu but i got little to no aid from most of the ones i applied to.
Hbcu are black in name only.
Owned by white people, funded by white people. They have diversity scholarships too, for non black people, and they aren't getting rid of them
I hope that's the result. But Im sure there will be people whining about why we have to have HBCU's. Every time we play their game, they go and change the rules on us
Ending affirmative action didn't change much for white students.
If you want a meritocracy get rid of legacy admissions.
You have just as good a chance of proving legacy admissions as you do proving "personality" scores.
The people against Affirmative Action's arguments would hold more weight if they believed something systematic should be done to alleviate the disparities certain groups of people have based on where they're born and the conditions that they grow up in. But those same people probably don't support allocating extra funds to helping those communities out.
I'd be willing to bet most of those people are against free school lunch, no way they'd support "leveling the playing field earlier" on a systemic level.
This is the first sane critique of the anti-AA side I've seen.
The lunch isn’t free. Somebody somewhere is paying for it.
What if the anti-AA believe the systemic issues is not monetary, given that poor Asians, poor Nigerians, poor Cuban Americans still achieve at a higher rate than other race, cultures, ethnicities in the same poor economic status. What if the systemic issue is culture, values, priorities, fatherless homes. 90% of black high schoolers aspire to be Sports Stars and Entertainment Stars, not aspiring in academics. Thus they dominate those areas of society, while cultures that value Academics, dominate academics. Life is a compounding set of aggregate choices. It's why Nigerians, Ghanan, Jamaicans that culturally value Academics dominate entrance into Colleges more so than their native Black Americans who do not value Academics. Throwing money at a problem for the last 100 yrs has made things worst, because money as a Solution has it's limits when you don't correctly identify the primary Systemic issues. College is not for everyone, there are plenty of alternative life directions. Access to knowledge in the Age of the Internet is not a barrier. People gravitate towards what they value, we don't need to put college on a pedestal.
@@gazoontight unnecessary sementics. Its free to the child's perspective-- the one who would be the consumer, just like a free drink at a party is free to your perspective, even though someone else paid for it.
Thats not nearly a strong enough argument to justify some kids not being able to eat lunch at a place they're required to be everyday.
@@ghengis423 Two points: 1, it isn't unnecessary semantics, somebody had to pay for the food, it isn't "free" and referring to it as such inculcates a sense of entitlement to things unearned; 2, I am not arguing that a child whose parents cannot afford a lunch be denied a lunch, but they must acknowledge that they are receiving largess from the fruits of other people's labors, not a boon that magically appeared on the lunch table.
At MIT, the drop is from 13% to 5%! I feel sorry for those qualified students who were displaced by the unqualified ones in the past.
You mean by legacy admissions?
@@plorell MIT doesn't have legacy admissions.
@@SpocksCat We’re only talking about MIT? My apologies. I was addressing the sentiment, not the comment.
don't worry they are sneaking DEI in universities now which is also constitutionally illegal.
We dont k ow if they had a drop in applicants. Which i know there has bee a spike in hbcu and state schools do to costs.
These people are falling backward with virtue signaling.
How so Exactly?
Explain
@@JimmyBeGood401k hit on your button picture and it says you just have made one comment??
@djhero0071 I put a bait out there, and it didn't take long for sjw to have existential crises where their fragile ego is threatened. Look, I'll put it all out there for you. Affirmative action does more harm for poc than good. Dr. Thomas Sowell described how he was treated in the 50s vs. 70s. Where he was more respected in the 50s vs. in the 70s, where he was treated like an undeserved person. Affirmative action started in the 60s. First, JFK later LBJ. Then, the inevitable backlash of the 80s with Ronald Reagan. History is repeating itself. Civil Rights Law was passed in the 60s to abolish Jim Crow law, but that was it. That was the only good thing that came out of that decade. We are in another backlash with Trump. The consequence of his election was the conservative Supreme Court. You sjw believe that poc are genetically inferior, so we need extra help. Well, you are going to keep getting backlash time after time. I've been around since the 70s, and it's not getting better it's getting worse. Your children and children's children will be worse off. And for what? So you can stroke your fragile ego?
Black people please start supporting HBCUs, they are just as good as of some of these so called Ivory league schools. Instead of "investing" in fake hair, nails, BBLs, eye lashes, rims, jewelry, and trying to become the next rapper we should be investing in tangible things that will benefit our community. Every other group does it.....Asians, Jews, Middle Easterns, Italians and etc. We have HBCUs and Medical/Dental schools. We should be partnering with top S.T.E.M schools in Africa and start grooming young and old to go beyond the successes of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos. We should be leaders in new tech and medicine and have tier one medical centers that rival Mass General. But unfortunately this plea will fall on deaf ears.
HBCUs aren't a good thing. It's just another way to discriminate and is counterproductive to the outcomes you seek. Integration into society is the solution. Not segregating your best and brightest from other universities. The "minorities" I've known that have become successful have learned to get along and integrate themselves in the corporate world just like anyone else successful.
“Instead of "investing" in fake hair, nails, BBLs, eye lashes, rims, jewelry, and trying to become the next rapper” ooohhhhh so THAT’S what those Black kids at MIT are up to. You sound racoonish.
Create your own economy and infrastructure and your own resources FREELOADERS
@@KK-pm7ud You do realize whit es go to HBCUs right?
@@karensbackIf i'm remembering correctly, there was a thing called Black Wall Street and many others. You'll do well to read up on that and see why and how it got destroyed.
Its obvious that college admissions should be based solely on merit. Anything else is racist one way or the other.
According to that logic, legacy isn't merit based either.
@@TijuanaK That's the whole point. If you go to college it should solely be based on your academic merits. You need to earn your seat at the college. However, k-12 schools needs to be fixe. The public school system needs to be fixed and need to actually help prepare kids for college in any residential locations.
@@TijuanaKpublic schools, yes. Private schools, that’s a different story. Colleges will lose millions in donations from the wealthy parents. It’s the reality.
Affirmative action wasn’t just about race it was about all underrepresented groups that included gender especially women. Without AA women would not have gotten the access they have today in fact the percentage of women when AA was passed was below 23% now women make up the majority college population. So why don’t we hear about the gender aspect of AA? Well it’s because the group that benefited the most were white women they met the criteria of being underrepresented in a racial gender group but few media outlets talk about it. In fact conservatives first argued it discriminated against white students who had the grades but when it was uncovered there were more white students coz of higher women enrollment they switched their tactics to using Asian students.
As a mixed American, I agree 100%! THIS is MLK preached.
The biggest sham is making people believe they have to go to certain "name brand" schools to be successful. There are plenty of excellent colleges and universities across the country. In the long run, where you go to college has very little bearing on how successful, happy, or fulfilled you will be in life.
Thats true but the world is so acrewing on your resume when you putbdown the schools u went to to get your degrees rvery job interview and boss want to see that
@@GAURAV25855ify employers care if you have the qualifications. Very rarely do they care where you went to college to get it
@@lukasky03 i completely agree. I attended a state school and now the manager at burger king. Anyone can make it.
no need to worry about diversity in college, we need to fix our public high schools First.... 😔
I agree with you 100%. BUT, every time a politician gives a speech about education, he or she is talking about university. Look at what happened to the Vo-Tech (vocational technical) schools, gone. Up to the 1980s there were public places where people could learn welding, mechanics, A/C, without getting a student loan for thousands of dollars to go to a private school. Look at what happened to Community Colleges. Again, up to the 1990s they were the place to get a degree in 18 months. Now they all focus on being junior colleges, another path to more university.
Agreed
Black students are going where they are welcomed and feel SAFE.
And where is that? 99.9% of the videos it's them making everyone unsafe.
@@karensback Can you please provide the site where you get your statistical sources. Thank you
SAFE? What ivy+ schools make black students feel unsafe?
@@cl10367 Yes! Because of your RACIST WAys!
@@karensback Nasty vile racism.
As a retired Electrical Engineer a diverse team will always out perform a none diverse team because of the diverse thought process each group has to input in a final product to sale to a multitude of people that equals higher profits. Most of the people would never listen to a week person trying to tell you how to get stronger or a poor person telling you how to get rich. But for some odd reason we have attorneys trying to step in the science and technology field and tell them diversity is not good for anyone but we in the industry know it’s very important if you want to create products that are marketable to the world not just those who look the same as you!!
🤷🏾♀️ they know this. They get what they get.
Universities don't produce a diversity of IDEAS. One of them being Asian and 3 black won't change they were all taught the same physics. This is a serious problem in academia but you can't substitute one for the other. Incidentally if you disagree with your profs about what they teach, you get encouraged to leave or in some cases even expelled. Race is not the issue.
Diverse in ideas, not skin color.
Why don’t they talk about the group that has benefited the most from AA?
Exactly! No mention of it what soever
LEGACY ADMISSIONS
Grades should get you into college not race. I’m all for diversity but it is not fair to the other applicants.
It’s not fair to all the enrolled applicants to be deprived of learning opportunities that students at lower ranked schools are getting by being part of diverse classrooms. I want classrooms filled with people of all backgrounds because I’m going to learn something that selfishly might help me connect with someone important later on.
@@dipset4016 go to a lower ranked school if diversity is more important than proficiency to you. Problem solved.
What makes you think grades are fair?
@@artic_dhlmfao grades are racist now oh the leftist delusion is hilarious
@@dipset4016that isnt how learning at school works. Once people are forcing segregation in school, i will back what you are saying, but that isnt whats happening.
Why NBA and professional sports does not have diversity?? My kids did not get into ivy league on their merit because of AA. Look at the difference after just 1 year. America lost on merit in the name of AA and now it has to catch up lost grounds.
They did a study. Identical resumes were sent to employers. The resumes with black sounding names were rejected at a much higher percentage.
If anything affirmative action made things more fair and balanced.
Maybe because they evaluated these candidates out of past experiences.
Hiring people exclusively because they are black is not fair and balanced, especially when they are on average worse employees.
@@blackbelt2000it says identical just in case you can’t read
@@Agapehao oh yes, I can read but apparently you can't. I wasn't referring to the candidate's past experience, I was referring to the employer's experience with that demographic. Perhaps you should reread it a couple of times more.....or go back to school to learn how to read at a proficient level.👍
Actually, affirmative action did the opposite and really created institutionalize racism at a time when we were attempting to make society more fair for everyone.
Elementary/Middle/high schools are the real issue. Increase teacher pay, remove problem children from the classroom, invest in under funded schools.
Look how many Asian were discriminated against because of AA
And it was ONLY asians that were discriminated against.
DONT CRY WHEN ALL OUR TOP AMERICANS COLLEGE ARE FILLED WITH CHINA COMMIES WITH FAKE GRADES..........YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE WORLD WORKS
I’m surprised it was only a 6% increase. The way they were screaming about affirmative action made it seem like they were being kept out in massive numbers. I was expecting like a 20% difference and I didn’t think they were already 41% of the class profile while AA was running.
@@stonecake313 what percentage of racial discrimination would be acceptable in your opinion?
I wonder how many of them hail from wealthy and international backgrounds. I wonder how many in that percentage hail from poor backgrounds?
It would help significantly if schools in communities where minorities are the majority are given equal opportunities. There are schools in Baltimore County that enroll, pass and graduate students that can barely read and write. I'm in the next county over and that is not the experience of our students. It's shameful.
Actually, the quality is the same. It’s the kids.
same with Detroit schools. I talked to a guy that was from such schools and he used his uncle's address to get transferred to our school district. He said if you showed up to school and tried you got an A+. All exams were open book. I was like dang that sounds like the life and he laughs and goes no... he said they don't teach you crap. He said you just read the book and on exam day look up tin the book and find the answers. He said even if you got them wrong they will give you an A for trying and participating. He said you will graduate with a 4.0 and go to college to just fail. I just has a cousin that was a city over by Detroit and she got a 4.0 and my uncle praised her to be really Smart they came form another country and she got admission to their highschool. Anyways, she got a 4.0 and was a math tutor for the school. She got into college and flunked 3 years and then gave up. She quit and got a job at a pharmacy as a pharmacist assistant.
@@rivaladversary So how do you propose we help the kids?
@@cameronno6039 start in the home. Most black kids don’t have a father figure. 80% of black families are single household- a majority being fatherless. They’ll need 24/7 counseling services with male figures. The black community has really bad subcultures that people don’t want to admit. They have no one to look up to but sports players and rappers. Yes, this does affect them.
Why is the experience of your students in your county different?
Professional football isn't diverse enough, we need more Asians
Not really a good comparison. College football players go into the pros and do “the same thing.” College graduates enter the workforce and do something completely different. No one is a professional student for life. In college, part of it is learning to navigate social life and develop skills that will allow you to be successful outside of the classroom.
@@DfgbuiiyyyybbFunny but at the same time, valid
@@Dfgbuiiyyyybb yeah you do! I see these types of comments all the time. It’s so exhausting.
@@dipset4016na it's actually a good sarcastic comparison
So true they should definitely stay in the technology box because they’re not good at ANYTHING else, you don’t see Asian athletes, entertainers or any industry where they are physically SEEN they kinda just get there little piece of indoctrination paper and fade off into the background none of them are actually individually recognizable 🤷🏽♀️
Diversity is not about race demographics, should be merit base and color blindness.
All applications should have the person name and race etc. However, the people that makes the admission decisions should only be given a application number. They should not know anything about the persons race or where they grew up in. It should solely be what school you attended in highschool and your academic merits. Community college is always an option if you graduated highschool and cannot get into a university. You can always go to a community college and transfer into a university.
Watch how the game is played. No change for White population, there the story tries to pit Asian vs Blacks. The purpose of affirmative action is to give blacks an equal fitting by take a place for those of the least qualified of the qualified. As soon as affirmative action is in place the white leadership instead took the top spots, highest qualified asians and gave it to the blacks. So instead of having white america which enslaved the black population in the past to help make america more equal, instead disadvantage the asians. So regardless whether there's affirmative action or not white population never loses. This story is just part of systemic blindness to how the race game is being played.
Facts!
Well Asians aren't minority according to woke.
I mean. It is our country. We did build the schools.
Bingo
@@louispeddiltton47You think you’re smug and on a throne. But here’s the reality…
Very few non-whites think like you in terms of superiority and keeping the “others” in line.
However, when your type acts the way you do, it creates a wedge and a feeling of “oh so that’s how it is”.
Now, when you look at the census projections, your percentage of the US population will be surpassed in 20 years.
So, if you don’t want the same bias and negativity you are sending out, reciprocated back to you, you should try to be a little less smug and more of a…better person.
NBA needs more diversity
Tell that to the white owners
@@storyteller6777 No ones complaining when it's black people dominating
@@storyteller6777 We need non black players now.
@@tgfbeta1017 tell that to white NBA owners, they are the ones drafting all this blk people
@storyteller6777 true we need more Asian NBA players ❤
So you are good but you are in wrong race then you should be removed from the list. This is not discrimination? I am confused.
applies to the qualified kid who needs to give up his seat for DEI due to his race
@fallcolors05, and that same argument doesn't apply to Asian students? Less blacks and Latinos but more Asians? Especially given the fact that the percentage for white kids hasn't changed much?
It's not discrimination. They're just mad that many Blacks aren't qualified for a college outside of a sports scholarship
@@sandrasweeb8863it does not apply to wish students NOW. After the Harvard study showing how AA was discriminating specifically against mostly Asian students for enrollment to get more DEI students in, it was clear that color wasn't the defining trait as Asians are not considered people of color for some reason
Asian parents are highly involved in their childs education and don't tolerate any slack from their children. They therefore have the best scholastic record when applying. Children raised in lower income areas have lousy schools. Bad teachers, old textbooks, not enough computers, more bullying and parents too exhausted from working three jobs to be a better parent no matter how much they wish they could. As for white students, they are given opportunities to have a good education, but too many are looking for a get rich quick, or how to make money without working hard than applying themselves to their education.
Love to see it. Just shows how many asians wete being unfairly treated by stupid race based program when a program based on economic background is way more fair and makes way more sense.
Yeah right🙄
Asian admission dropped at Ivy Leagues btw. Black and Hispanic admission stayed steady. White admission rose. Perhaps it was whites that were being unfairly discriminated in order to admit Asians.
Maybe America shouldnt be so fixated on race, and start focusing on educating kids the same regardless of their ethnicity and socio-economic background.
Why couldn’t it fix both simultaneously?
Thats true
They’re not talking about other colleges on campus and online, and HBCUs are up in enrollments!
People want greater alternatives to a decent education!
students who worked hard to gain admission are relived their efforts won't be wasted because someone who didn't earn it was given that spot
It is not that simple. If you take that approach, then kids from wealthier families with private schools since kindergarten and personal tutors and paid college admissions consultants will have an unfair advantage.
Source: That’s exactly what I did for my son and it worked.
A lower income family with a talented capable student does not have the resources or legacy parents to compete with that.
Money is a factor, doesn't matter how hard you work.
@@utubes720 you have a fair point
@@utubes720 you assume all the white students earned their spots, why?
@@utubes720they KNOW that. They just want to hide behind being ignorant.
meritocracy for school is what we need, not base on color but base on score. I don't see nba doing anything about 90% of their pro player being black, at the end of the day best in their area takes the spot. putting unqualify people to important position will only result in regressing of society
AA is not bad, since you want those who are disadvantaged from an unfair playing field to offer them a chance. But it's not the asians which enslaved black people, and the asians are at the top of the qualified pool, it's really spot giving up spot from least qualified of the qualified, and most likely that's a white qualification spot. What's unfair is this story tries to pit asians vs blacks, when it's really white leadership messing up what AA is meant to implement
@@metrolights9112 AA was discrimination against asian or meritocracy as whole, the pool is always the same size, obviously some one gonna lose. asian being the best at this and biggest group there obviously the one taking the beating from these none sense.
Like I said before, if NBA dont need no AA about their pro selection. neither does our education system, judge by their ability not by their color.
Merit and hard work needs just as more recognition than just the color of your skin …
These kids who get top SAT scores are not partying / clubbing but sitting and studyinghard x 4 yrs of high school + volunteering + clubs + leadership so give them thier due too ..
Gotta be fair to them too ..
@ActualFactual-f5m uh no. So many minorities have JOBS, don't have access to transportation, computers, nutrition, Healthcare. There's WAY more to it. I've been working since I was 12 years old, so yeah, sorry I couldn't join the chess club or track after school and had to figure out how to get there in the first place. Couldn't eat till about 4pm and no computer in the home. It sounds like these problems aren't yours and you think it's "partying" Embarrassing.
It's more than just a score
@1:30 - "more diverse environments produce more innovation". Can you please cite the double-blind study that backs up this statement? I hear statements like this often, but I haven't read any studies which backs up this claim.
I will say i like a more diverse climate. I think all white is boring and i want a diverse world. But as for schooling? Get the highest grades in. Dont be complicit in stupidity.
It's just like ESG. Poorly thought out double speak for the social media generation where your follower count dictates your credibility and authority on a subject.
Dang I wish I had access to my work computer atm. There are articles and research to support it. I will say the articles did not focus solely on race as the diversity aspect.
The way I see it about diverse environments and innovation is it often breaks up “group think” tendencies. If you have a group of people who come from similar cultural and economic backgrounds, are of the same gender, they all process information the same neurologically, perform the same physically and so on, they are often limited in perspective and ideas which makes it more difficult to solve problems or be innovative. I really do hate that this story only focused on race because it is WAY more than that!
Engineer here, baffled as you are. I do not understand how who eats this or that or listens to this music or that music would have any bearing in developing an alloy or choosing a material or recognizing metal fatigue. Who on earth goes “wow, you found the break in that line of code, please tell me what condiments you use at home” ? Ridiculous.
@@theeTJYou do not even find persons that think alike in the same family. Much less in the same country. To think that a person of Chinese background from Florida and another person from Chinese background from Oregon should not be allowed to work together because it would lack diversity is demented. To think that Michael from Detroit and Clarise from Los Angeles should not work together because both listen to rap music is demented. To think that Johnny from Montana and Roger from Texas should not work together because both like hamburgers and listen to Bruce Springsteen is demented. That study sounds as bogus as it can be. What?! A white guy may want to use aluminum 7075 and a black guy may want to use stainless 304 and the Asian guy will want to use titanium and the final decision would go to whoever listens to K-pop? What kind of engineering decision would that be? And, by the way, the Asian guy is from Vietnam and doesn’t care for K-pop. So, calling him Asian for diversity as if anybody from that continent would fill the spot, is the real discrimination.
Putting resources towards black underfunded schools pre-k and up would help.
If all schools received the same funding and every child had access to a "good" pre k-high school. That would help.
If these schools incorporated SAT prep into their school curriculum that would also help as it would give all students access to it.
No many cities have and nothing improves. Till you solve cultural problems then something will change. They worship drug dealers, celebrities, and athletes too much.
Asians and south Americans disprove this
How does a professor in African Studies get a say on a STEM student?
This exposes a bigger problem. A lack of resources and access to a quality education for black americans.
Investing in the underfunded schools and areas where young black children live would help young black children have a chance to get into college.
When people just say it's based on merit they're conveniently leaving out the resources and access students who are applying have. Since segregation ended in the end of the 60's in the US the government should have invested in the underfunded black schools allowing black children access to a quality education.
The government did a lot in it's power to exploit blacks and segregate them in society and a lot of their efforts work. That's a truth a lot of people do not care to admit.
These low diversity numbers show the fallout from this.
It also fails to showcase how Charter schools are really schools created to exploit those communities, and literally give students the same poor education at a higher cost to the taxpayer
Then what's Baltimore schools excuse?
You saying black people not getting educated while Asian students who come abroad who know nothing about American culture yet still do better than black Americans, what's the excuse? Especially when most Asian students don't come from an English background
@@strongmermaid4651I graduated high school in Baltimore and went to Georgetown University I was selected as a freshman in high school. My grades stayed at 4.0 throughout school.
Oh and I lived in Westport and cherry hill projects.
To answer your question it's not about the environment or race it's about your mentality as a person.
I refused to believe the bs I was being taught by yt teachers who only taught at my school because mommy and daddy stop funding their drug and alcohol fueled parties that caused their grades to fall therefore embarrassing them at their country club.
So, they decided to become teachers to have their students loans reduced and the school system erase their debt completely after 2 years a n d if they taught in low performing minority schools there debt will be forgiven after a year.
How about you do some research before you open your keyboard mouth.
@@jonathanng138 you slow do you really think those imported Asians don't know how or understand English and American culture? Newsflash, they know more than you.
My daughter teaches English and American studies to Japanese and Chinese students. Their favorite class is Black American culture. The only Asians running their mouth about AA are the Americanized Asians. If 95% of them returned to China and especially Japan they wouldn't even be allowed to attend Hight School because they would be considered ignorant.
I suggest you travel outside the united state and then you will understand.
Because most young Black Americans prefer not to be in any environment that is nearly 90% all Asian and white, there has been an overwhelming
muted response coming from the black community. We have just moved on.😊
Well the real real reason is their test scores are too low. They can't compete.
@@robinly Compete for what college debt?
@@CherubimandAngels yes, dont go to college, dont go to school either, it will be even better, no debt at all.
Basing someone academic admission on their physical appearance is ridiculous
Here's a thought. Maybe the "affected" students should get better grades and test scores instead of feeling entitled to an unfair advantage? Hmm... Just a thought.
Racist
It’s kinda hard to get better grades when you are forced to work after school and have access to no tutoring services. It’s weird to me that you guys act like as if everyone comes from the exact same home environment so they’re just being lazy or something.
Or maybe people have legitimate limitations like having to work after school and access to no tutoring services. Why do you guys act like as if the playing field is absolutely levelled when it comes to educational opportunities.
@@thezu9250 stop trying to explain things to “Kyle”. He’s chosen his perspective clearly and it is that of a hateful and racist person.
@@thezu9250 Kyle comes from privilege. He is literally incapable of putting himself in someone else’s shoes and will never amount to anything outside being another number. He has zero critical thinking skills. This is by design.
It’s so racist that there aren’t more white corners in the NFL, I agree.
And that the are no Majority Black owners either. In fact they keep getting denied. And why hasn’t there ever been a Black NFL or NBA commissioner ever? 🤔
@@foreverfly3113 Or in soccer, despite a huge chunk of players being black, there is a stonewalling effort to keep black people from having ownership of a club.
It is not true that only wealthy families have better-educated kids. Many Asian families are not rich, including the famous AI professor Feifei Li, whose family was first-generation immigrants. Asians came to this country much later and were under discrimination as well for a long time. Asians put more value on family and hard work.
Asians have not gone through mass subjugation on the level that African-Americans have gone through. Not even remotely. The census said that 89% of Asians in the country came after the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
the only blacks who benefit from AA are those most privileged, even by middle class standards. just look at the types of cars they have at harvard compared to your typical harvard student. why not harness the resources toward community colleges, which will definitely benefit blacks that are truly disadvantaged?
I was just thinking this and those community (and trade schools) directly feed the local economy.
I do not understand why people like you love to say whatever random thought you have as fact, yet not backed up by any data.
It explains why some political campaigns say the most ridiculous talking points and a certain segment just takes it at face value.
Look at what happened today you can’t go to school without someone bringing in a gun try talking about that little media
I don't care who you are or what you look like, as long as you meet the requirements that they are setting (i.e Test Scores, GPA etc.), results and merit over feelings
1:26 So diversity supersedes education. Got it.
And money supersedes both.
Merit isn't real. Or if it is, it can easily be traced to a legacy of opportunity or success. On average, people do about as well as the generation before them and/or the community that surrounds them. If you aren't going to do anything about hamstringing the generations before them, then the least you can do is try to repair the community they are in: affirmative action. The data shows clearly that black and Latino students are benefited more greatly by their admission than children from other communities. Why? Because changing their setting and social circumstances is not as likely to happen otherwise.
Moreover, I hate the discussion on Merit as if the students admitted prior were not incredible. At these elite institutions, all of them (except the athletes and the legacies) were 4.0 students or better. They all had incredible resumes that would make most parents blush. On average, the difference was act or sat scores. And even there, we are talking about the differences in half percentages. Children admitted to MIT with a 33, instead of 36 are still brilliant. This argument was mispremised from the beginning. It was never about race as the whole thing, but in America we'd be lying to say it isn't a thing. A supreme court fiat doesn't change that. A generation removed from the largest racial movement in the world doesn't change that. To handwave away our nation's legacy (and reality) merely to benefit a few is a crass sign of indifference and indignity. It's a false morality and it will do more harm than good, even for the newly admitted students. Not to mention the obvious harm done to the black and brown students that aren't admitted.
No these students are always at the bottom of their classes in Ivy colleges too. These communities need to change their attitudes to education at an earlier age.
It’s all about early age development. I am a lower class Asian immigrant who was failing behind in middle school cus the after school program my parents put me in was practically a free babysitting program for parents that work well into night hours. They didn’t tutor anything but let kids do homework and play basketball until parents pick us up. My dad was able to find a local math tutor that charged a pretty high price to tutor me and I barely got a C in math in 8th grade. But it gave me a foundation to survive high school and get into UC Irvine on loans and working part time to pay it off rn. Asian immigrants are in the trenches too.
FYI my dad works at a Chinese Herb shop selling herbs and tea to some of the oldest forgotten and mistreated Asian elders communities. It would be nice with schools provided more elite afterschool tutoring and mentoring programs for all diverse communities in the country.
@@dtmt502There's no evidence for that
@@emmanuelmacharia3589 there are plenty of evidence go read Thomas Sowell
I don’t know why they force black student to study at MiT if they are not willing nor have the aptitude for studying there ?
Did you watch the video? There is a black professor at MIT who herself studied at MIT
Who on earth is "forced" to study at Elite colleges? You really think black people apply to Ivy League schools and get forced to attend?
@@dipset4016 why she is forcing others to do the same when they don’t want to do !!?
Force? Who is forcing them? Why are you commenting if you obviously can't communicate in English?
No one is forcing them to do anything. They’re just trying to make sure that they’re not losing brilliant students because they don’t have the socioeconomic opportunities to do as well on testing.
My niece just started William and Mary. No one ever talks about W&M, its like the forgotten College. Everyone just talks about Harvard, Yale, MIT, UCLA, UMass. Even though W&M is the second oldest college in the US.
Who the heck talks about U Mass?
W&M is basically the viriginia state slac. Great school but definitely not for everyone.
@@cl10367 Lots of history there and the surrounding area of Williamsburg.
We should just admit more people to college. Access to education should not amount to a zero-sum game.
This isn't about college, anybody can go to college. This is about exclusivity. Who gets to go to highly exclusive colleges. And THAT is a zero sum game.
If you can afford a smartphone then you basically have unlimited access to Education.
@@moiseshuerta3984 information ≠ education
The Internet can be an invaluable tool for learning, but not everyone will learn just by virtue of having access to the Web. I rather have the impression that most people will spend their time online consuming media. We cannot begrudge anyone for that, but let’s not act like people are spending their time on the Net mastering complex concepts and making the world a better place.
@@_KITE
People want to learn will learn even without a smartphone. Juat get a library card.
@@cl10367 I suppose you’re right. In the end, schools will always retain their right to exclude - as exclusion creates the basis for prestige. There’s hardly any incentive to move away from the current model.
Still, I don’t think that there’s always needs to be a rational allocation of prestige. Fairness means different things to different parties.
The SCOTUS decision on affirmative action is just a pendulum swing in the opposite direction.
The differences are actually very small in my opinion.Striking down AA really didn’t do anything.Less people are going to college in the first place.And if they do they’re going to community colleges and then transferring to universities because it’s cheaper.
It benefits only Asian Americans who already have wealth.
Lol, I needed that laugh 😂
They worked for it
^ Exactly! And based on data and not emotions...The target was AA/black/ADOS numbers...we wonder why? The numbers don't lie..some of which were not even hitting the first double digits....This is how that " twice as hard" speech comes in for AA/ADOS/black mantra comes in...As we can see, even if it was twice as hard, the numbers would still be behind... Affirmative Action minor benefits...not on the level that some.may have thought...
@@PaTroNxMoDThey hide their drug money very well. Trust me..
yeah righ! Asian student work really hard for there grades, they study of the time. Truth is most of black or hispanic dont like going higher education after high school or go trade school for skills.
Once the black athletes realize they can go to an HBCU and dominate in the majority of sports then we will see a backlash of this bill. Money changes everything.
But the HBCU enrollment is up go figure.
As they should
Look at all the people arguing for institutional racism to continue
You don't understand the words you are using. An institution that voluntarily gave preferences to blacks is not institutionally racist. Removing that preference does not suddenly make that institution racist.
@@cl10367 an institution, that upholds policies that punish high performing students and giving preferential treatment to lower performers of a particular race is, by very definition, institutional racism. Mental gymnastics continues go on
@@captainlinsano7739 You're using a pretty unconventional definition of institutional racism. It is typically racism that aligns with racism in the broader society.
@@cl10367 and it was applied in schools using race preferences for admittance of under qualified individuals. Which the Supreme Court correctly identified.
🤷♀️ imagine if you didn’t get in because of your race that is messed up. Reward those who actually work hard to get there.
An important data point that is being overlooked is the number of applications from students of color this year compared to applications in previous years. A drop in applications from students of color would lead to fewer of them meeting the admissions criteria.
Makes sense, MIT is the best school when it comes to tech, and there are more than 50% asians in the world.
Do you consider Indian people asian then?
@@EthelbertCoyote Indians are part of the 47%
Your reasoning doesn’t make sense at all. Do Asians make up 50% of the U.S. population? No. And international students won’t make up that large of the percentage.
Your logic is flawed.
@@EthelbertCoyote Well duh, India is in Asia genius.
This is why college is a challenging topic. I believe in affirmative action does have its place. In large part due to fact a college submission is just one part raising the money and passing the courses is way more important. Unfortunately, fewer individuals will have the opportunity to prove themselves. I do not believe a large portion of student get in on merit.
So basically if you did good in school you had a higher chance of getting into an elite school.... the way its suppose to be.
Try doing good in a black and brown school and it still not meeting the States top schools because those schools have more resources. That means being at the top of a smaller mountain. That's what minority schools dealt with for years and AA was all they had to even the playing field.
Not yet you need to get rid of legacy admission. I don’t get how that is still allowed.
Life is not just about grades.
@@steventalik4782 All about money. It doesn't matter what grades "they" get. The Asians were "used" to get AA policy dismantled. Soon, it will be too many of them in certain schools and you know who will be complaining.
@@Freaysclaw56no but college and innovation usually follow suit.
Public school education from pre-kindergarten through 12 gradeis a disaster in America.
The advance of civilization requires the best, the very best!
The best minds never went to college
Jobs, colleges, should focus on merits, NOT race
But they don't. While everyone is hyper-focusing on race, they're missing the red elephant in the room called legacy admissions and nepotism, which continue unopposed in big, big numbers. It makes race-based AA look like a drop in a bucket compared to the ocean.
They do focus on race, that's the entire point. Your chances of employment or admission exponentially increase if you are black and/or female
admissions should be based on hard work, dedication, and study, grades reflect that, so go to an easy high school and inflate those grades. Put so much pressure on the teachers that they give everyone A's or you'll write a bad Yelp review.
It’s not what school you go to or what grades you get in school. It’s about the ACT in the SATs. If you don’t do well on those because you don’t know things, it’s not the colleges fault.
@@bettymajkrzak3816people have been gaming those standardized tests for years, as witnessed in the cheating scandals a few years back.
People are focusing on the last leg of the race not realizing the full picture of failure in promoting students who shouldn’t have passed grade school let alone high school. Then wondering why they don’t qualify for their first choice of universities.
Teach kids the consequences of not learning early in school. Make them responsible for their own future.
And stop blaming every external factor for your own failures.
If people do not have a the aptitude for it reject them; if they have the aptitude for it - let them in. Not hard to figure out
Who cares? People deserve to be there on merit, not based on the color of their skin or ethnicity.
Asian kids test higher than black/hispanic kids? Great. They deserve their spot. These other kids can go to other schools that are more in tune with their aptitude and test scores.
All this is a positive step in the right direction.
No, Asian kids test better than WHITE, Black, and Hispanic students…but I didn’t see a change in the white population. See how that trash works?
The thing is that there are 100 qualified applications for each spot. No minority kid was ever accepted just because they were a minority. They were just as qualified as anyone else.
As a black person who applied to several Ivy League PhD programs and got rejected from all 3, I can say that while I was studying for the GRE last year (I score a 321), I realized that I didn’t get a top GRE score because I didn’t pay for it. The practice tests and official practice book are expensive, not to mention the test itself. I was borrowing an unofficial guide from the library that was in high demand and I had to return every two weeks. They didn’t allow us to take the official guide out the library so I stopped staying overtime at my job so I could study before the library closed. This put me at jeopardy of losing my job and was a lot of extra stress right before I took the test.
Going back the disadvantages started much earlier when I moved cities and lived in a more minority filled area where the schools weren’t as good and my high school didn’t have a library so I stopped reading as much. This hurt my vocabulary level and reading skills in a way that affected my GRE, SAT, and ACT scores.
That being said I’m not really mad they took away affirmative action. I got into a good PhD program and got a nice fellowship (although it’s one that targets minorities) so I can’t complain. I’m basically just saying that while things are more equal now than they were when affirmative action first started, they are still not completely equal. If we are taking it away, test score and GPA should not be the only measure of merit because a person’s background (particularly they’re income level which is highly correlated with race) highly affects that.
@@kadenreed8603 Good for you. I worked for a high tech chemical company and there was a 3 hr exam to be consider for their research team. Where people got their advanced degree was not a factor. What they knew was. I saw people from Ivy league schools crash/burn within 30 min., while those from obscure schools breezed through. So make the most of your education and learn - Don't count on the name of your school for your success (however you want to define it)
@@kadenreed8603 black people do not have a monopoly on adversity or poverty.
Shocker
if your unable to rely on your merits you simply shouldn't be there. i dont know why thats so offensive/ controversial. Im a black man myself that didnt come from money i worked hard to get accepted into a top engineering school thats how to should be.
Black people were not the main beneficiaries of affirmative action hence why our population still lagged in pwis, it was actually white women.
@0:56 - your math doesn't add up. Previous year is 13% + 15% + 41% + 38% = 107%. The percentages listed for this year adds up to 100%, but you can't compare the makeup of this year's class against last year's class when the data is bad.
They obviously didn’t go to MIT 😂
DEI intern made the chart
The race information is "self reported." The reason the data adds up to over 100% is that students are allowed to indicate more than one option. Native American and Pacific Islander are two choices listed in the application, but not included in the chart above that would bring the current year slightly above 100%. Additionally you have rounding that can bring totals above 100%. To me this chart suggests that in prior years, students potentially chose multiple options to help their chances at getting in by meeting several of the diversity thresholds. But in the latest year may have only chosen one option because race was no longer one of the criteria used for admission.
@@KK-pm7ud Excellent explanation. This should have been explained in the video.
I think it's fantastic. Black people need to focus on building and owning our own educational institutions instead of going into debt giving away our wealth and young talent. I hope enrollment next year is 0%. BUILD YOUR OWN!
There used to be an intellectual and professional black "class" that did all this work for the culture but it evaporated when segregation did. Sowell was always arguing that was a great loss.
It should be based on economic circumstances, not race. Because when you have to work to help your family pay bills all through school, have no access to transportation, healthcare, good food, technology, with immense stress daily, its certainly not fair. So accept a certain amount based off of income.
Scott Galloway has been calling this Green Discrimination - as in money. Take away university's tax free endowment status until they increase their enrollment
@@dwight_klaus2981why? Why not just study more? If yall studied as much as you complained youd get the better grades. Ffs.
@@louispeddiltton47yeah just study harder meanwhile legacy admissions still exist because got forbid rich kids might have to compete and study harder too
They should have showed the numbers instead of percentage. Plenty of students who wanted AA removed, still won't get into these schools.
Black people don't want the college debt. Instead we are going to trade schools or 2 year community colleges.
@JetseTurner, who appointed you the spokesperson for ALL Black people? Speak for yourself.
Says any black person with debt...And what many AA/black/ADOS are also truthfully stating...As a multi degreed ADOS person, I would agree despite graduating years ago. I would also add that student debt is a major contender issue for my age group as well as those who have/are coming after my class of peers...How do I need? I work in crisis work and that includes college enrolled and bound students...many stating if not all, student loans being a major factor leading to their crisis or those who graduate and can not afford life after ( college) due to student loans debt...So this statement isn't wrong..per Se...maybe the blanket- ness of it...but not wrong...
They barely even make it through high school lol.
Blacks neglect education
Nowadays its tough to get jobs coming out of those institions
This is a totally rational decision that will serve your life well. Colleges aren't worth the debt for most people.
You can argue for affirmative action, but you have to be willing to bite the bullets of your position. Most advocates of affirmative action are not willing to bite those bullets. Freddie deBoer, who would be considered far-left by most Americans, had this to say on the subject:
''It remains profoundly weird that people who want to defend affirmative action can’t straightforwardly say what it does. Affirmative action is a system in which students of color who would not ordinarily gain entry to a given college are given a slot thanks to consideration of their racial background, on grounds of diversity or addressing systemic bias. But if you say “these college kids got in because of affirmative action,” that’s a horrible, racist thing to say. I can’t think of another progressive program where the defenders of that program have forbidden people from saying that the system is working as it is intended to work. Very strange."
Affirmative action was supposed to right the wrong of slavery not for immigrants to use and exploit
This is what they do! Blame US
Thank you!
The original sentiment was dumb. That's not how to right the wrongs of slavery, by assuming blacks can't get in by their own merit. It should be 100% merit based, if poor immigrants can do it why cant blacks do it? Children of refugees, who come here at start from nothing, can do it
US is an immigrant country unfortunately.
It's very telling that this Dr. Danielle Wood admits to not being qualified on her own merit to be admitted and getting her degree at MIT, and was an affirmative action recipient.
Asian American here. I was up for a diversity program slot but the program was run by women. Looking at the applicants who got in that year and in the past, if they were men they needed to be also lgbtq. Not kidding. Have a merit-based scholarship based on need not diversity.
White women were the largest beneficiaries of affirmative actions lol
How about you go back to China and go to one of their schools.
The racial make-up of the freshman class isn't what matters. What matters is the racial make-up of the graduating class.
The racial make up of either doesn't matter.
1:41 you should not get admitted because of your racial profile. That’s the mistake that got us here initially.
There will be a disproportionately large number of Asian admitted to elite universities. We have already seen this at the University of California system, which got rid of affirmative action in the 90s. There is white flight from school districts when an increasing number of Asians enroll. Exam-based NYC public schools like Stuyvesant have really high admissions rates for Asians. I predict there will be a trending increase of the percentage of Asians admitted and enrolled at elite universities
Maybe they don't want to risk being indebted to school loans?
People that are intrigued with this try to get on that class action about this. Send these types of things to them.
So are Asians not minority because they study hard?
They have money
You’re racist
Yes, any successful minority becomes a "model minority" and noone likes a successful minority. Just ask the jews.
I would like to know if MIT had similar amounts of African-American applicants as in past years, as many black students have opted to apply and enroll in prominent HBCUs such as Howard University, Spelman College, Clark Atlanta University, Hampton University, Morehouse College, etc.
Good question. I think avoiding the corrupted Ivy Leagues enriches students so good for them.
School just started there’s no way you can convince that 80-90 less AA students is a problem for other students. Also, get rid of legacy admissions next. Honestly legacy nepotism is worse than AA.
Its not. No one really cares. Actually im willing to be classes go smoother.
@@louispeddiltton47 🤣 don’t bet much. No one cares, yet college admissions are under a microscope now 😂. How will classes go smoother with students unqualified to be there?
Agreed, both affirmative action and legacy admissions should go.
BP just decided to enroll in HBCUs instead of PWIs. I know if I was a teen now, I would have went to a HBCU instead. It’s not about ability but going where you feel wanted.
How does having more less qualified students translate to "more innovation?"
@tedbaehr1862, I'm sure all of those Legacy admissions are qualified.
@@starfoxx5862 Legacy admissions should be axed too.
How about giving more scholarships to people from poor backgrounds who have the grades but can't afford the tuition or are you also against that?
MIT removed legacy admission. Black students are applying to HBCUs