MadRock Drone 2.0 and Drone CS Fully Explained / Technical Review
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@madrockclimbing Is pouring a ton of new technology into their latest shoe models, the Drone CS and the Drone 2.0. Both feature a one-piece molded toecap that combines the outsole, toe rand, and toe cap rubber into 1 seamless piece of sticky climbing-grade rubber. That rubber is the standard Science Friction rubber on the Drone 2.0 and the new, ultra sticky XF (Extreme Friction) rubber on the Drone CS. The CS stands for Comp Series which is why they opted to put a less durable, less powerful, but much stickier rubber on the CS. The CS still utilizes a 3d thermo-molded polycarbonate midsole to provide just enough edging capability when you do need to stand on those jibs or small foot holds. The Drone 2.0 also utilizes a thermo-molded polycarbonate midsole but it's longer, covers more of the shoe and is much more downturned, which provides more power and support. Both shoes are currently available.
this guy has sold me on trying madrock shoes, no marketing bs, just a breakdown of all the features that make the shoe.
Dude, right on the mark. Madrock has been amazing to me whenever I deal with them. Literally the only brand that has my brand loyalty. They make amazing products, affordable in comparison and Top Notch Employees.
If you go to the HQ, they might have buckets of discounted shoes, and they will let you climb on the wall there.
If you fit well into the drone it really is an amazing shoe. The heel is so good compared to any other shoe I've tried that it literally feels a bit like cheating when heel hooking with these. Amazing shoe.
@@nickpetrunin2666
can you share any info about the fitting? like the break in period and the heel fit? I have scarpe instinct VSR HV and shit i got my street shoe size because the toe box was too painful, but now the heel is mega loose...
This is even a step above the SCARPA shoe demos. Amazing info and explanations brands usually don’t share and it’s well appreciated.
I've used over 20 different pairs of climbing shoes in the past few years. I am hooked to my drones; no other shoe competes. With the price point staying so reasonable, even with la sportiva and scarpa ballooning the cost of theirs, you guys have earned a lifelong customer.
They do impressive stuff over there at MadRock HQ
except now they stopped selling the drone hv 1.0 .... and the new one doesn't actually fit my foot better. It fits way worse
I climb in the Drone CS, they are the best shoe I've ever owned by a long long way.
Waiting patiently until the Drone 2.0 finally has landed in Europe
i've been climbing for 6 years now. I work in this industry and we often geek about gear, especially shoes. this video is outstandingly good. well done. I'll give the drone 2.0 finally a try!
I'm glad you like the vids... we'll keep 'em coming as long as people want to watch.
This is a fantastic insight into the product development and design that MadRock puts into their shoes and products, from top athlete feedback being considered and implemented into things like midsole construction, to the finer details of how the company can keep costs low while staying at the forefront of innovation in the industry. Great job to both MadRock for their ingenuity and detailed design improvement process, as well as Weigh My Rack for capturing these finer insights and publishing them.
Thank you for the kind words. We'll keep making these videos as long as folks continue to find them useful and insightful.
Bro be spitting straight facts - Time to get some Drones!
I came to this video to learn more about this shoe, and left with so much knowledge about how climbing shoes in general work. I greatly appreciate how detailed this breakdown was explaining not just the features of the shoe but the reasoning behind them. Currently in the market for new shoes and I'm strongly considering these now. Thanks for this video!
I just got my first pair of CS after having worn 5 pairs of regular drones.
When I first put them on they were comfortable straight away so I immediately thought "oh no, I bought them too big, should've sized down more" so it's really comforting to hear that that is not the case.
I got the cs shipped out to me from the US as the lv is still not available here so I was very nervous about having gotten the wrong size haha.
The comfort is truly astonishing for such an aggressive shoe. It felt more comfortable than my already broken in Drones.
Any updates on how its withstanding right now in sizing/fitting? Because i was planning on getting some later down the line!
@@D4NKN4 Still comfortable. Feels like I could've sized down half a size more for more of a performance fit but I personally prefer the comfort and don't feel like it affects the performance of the shoe. I can basically climb anything I can climb on my regular drones except for standing on small blocked edges.
@@KirstenRietveldamazing damn. im sold. ill get them once ive worned down my scarpa instinct vsr (the break in was horrid and the heel is baggy)
great info. loved the black drone lvs 1.0s hopefully the black comes back
Such a great breakdown. No marketing bs, just why and how the shoe preforms like it does. Not my best edging shoe but def best shoe overall.
I still swear by my Drone 1.0s. Great fit (the only shoe that doesn't slip on my heel) and great performance at an affordable price. The only thing that stopped me from getting more of them once the old one wore out was the availability of the shoe in Europe. Really keen on trying these new ones out.
Thanks for sharing
Still pretty much impossible to buy these shoes. Annoying, loved the previous version, even if the glue was crap
I've been loving my 2.0 LV's so far! My main issue with the 1.0s was the the sole would delaminate super fast, so hopefully the new one piece outsole fixes this.
It’s been one year and how has it held up?
@@LookRainy Way better than the 1.0s! No delamination. I have a few pairs of shoes I use so hard to say how long they lasted, but probably about twice as long as the 1.0s. For me using the LVs I found I had to size down half a size with the 2.0s. I wore size 10 with the 1.0s and my first pair of 2.0s were also size 10, but were a little too big. My next pair I got 9.5 and it felt perfect.
PLEASE!!! Make wides, i know so many people that would get them for life.
Should definitely mention the 2.0 LV has a much wider overall fit compared to the original Drone. I felt the original drone LV was the first true low volume shoe with a very narrow toe box and very narrow heal, height and width. The new 2.0 fits just the the new CS version so those with a narrow foot will probably be a bit disappointed with the 2.0.
I so desperately wanted madrock drones to fit me but my foot is wide and my toes are long. I wish they would make a wider foot version of these shoes. These are so well featured and so well designed. I know more people would buy a wider fit if they sold it. The HV is just not wide enough.
Shark III coming soon...
@@madrockclimbing I dont know if you already have one on the website, but it would be super useful to provide a chart to navigate your various shoes against each other. If the shark fits wider feet than the drones, it cant find anything on the website that indicates as much.
Working on one for the next website update!
@@arnoldkotlyarevsky383
The Drone 2.0's are my favorite outdoor shoes and I used my Drones CS indoors! Absolutely LOVE both pairs, thank you for the breakdown :))
Can you tell me the differences between the two? I mean the feeling, the experience, not Just tecnical data? I have dragos now and i have to buy a new pari of shoes....
Sensitiveness? Have you tried to use the cs on small edges? Or outdoor?
this is so informative
I'm surprised by HOW comfy the HV drones are. I bought them last week, wore them around the house a bit, no walking just sitting, to break them in. And yesterday went climbing, they felt bad for the first hour and then they seemed to fully break in. I was there for like 3 hours, the last hour I wore them without taking them off at all bc they were so comfy. Putting them ON tho is still a pain lol. And as for using them, especially on little foot chips they seemed like cheating, they grip tiny, tiny edges effortlessly, it's crazy.
They are SHARP, the front of the shoe where the bottom meets is like a sharp 90% angle, it BITES on edges! And as for smearing I did some slab too, it felt as good as my previous set, nothing too special with smearing that I could notice. Heel hooks and Toe hooks too tho, the BITE, there's a TON of rubber on the front for toe hooks and the back heel is like semi squishy so it grabs stuff real well.
For me tho the number 1 thing I was surprised by was the comfort once they broke in. I was expecting the performance on edges just by looking at the shape of the shoe and the aggresive profile. But comfort? I was ready to have to take these off every other boulder!
I want to buy Madrock Dron CS HV climbing shoes, and my foot size is 26 cm. What shoe size should I choose to ensure the best performance for climbing?
Great informative video, just wished i saw it before deciding cs vs 2.0
Any advice?
These shoes look amazing!! but if Madrock really wants to be a global brand, it should focus on simplifying resoling. Here in Italy it is not easy to resole shoes that are not LaSportiva or Scarpa. Especially if these new shoes have so much technology
All molded shoes can be resoled just like traditionally made shoes. Grind and glue method works great!
Rockentry brought me here. Gonna try a MadRock on the next go. I use Butora - Gomi & Tenaya - Lati.
I find they fit pretty similarly to the Gomi's, but are more comfy and I find the rubber way way better. I would constantly blow off footholds in my Gomis that my drones stick to.
@@brianbrenner4288do you wear gomi wide fit? Thinking of buying drones but wondering how wide the fit is. Thx so much
Did you end up going with the drones? Right now I wear gomi wide fits and looking to get drones but not sure how the fit translates. Thx
@@lukewarmerdam5782 just saw this, but yeah I have drones. I wore size 10 in narrow fit gomis and size 10 in low volume drones. The drone 2.0s are definitely a bit bigger than 1.0s, I could probably size down to 9.5 with drone 2.0s.
I haven't tried wide fit gomis or high volume drones, but my buddy had wide fit gomis and got some high volume drones and really likes them. Not sure if he wore the same size in both though
The only complaint I have about the CS is that they didn’t feel very sensitive, which I was hoping to get with a comp oriented shoe. But otherwise the rubber is amazingly sticky and almost never slips
I'd be really curious to hear which shoes you've felt were more sensitive. I haven't tried the CS yet but I'm interested to know how they compare to other shoes on the market.
@@WeighMyRack ive mostly used theories, other la sportiva shoes, and dragos, but i've noticed that the CS is a lot less sensitive than all the other shoes i've used. Then again i mostly use the softer shoes so i don't know how they compare to stiffer shoes.
I have noticed a lot of comp shoes that marketed as soft, but are pretty stiff in the toe box, with a slight bend in the mid sole. My UP leopards II have been the softest I've tried, they were like socks.
Is he the founder of Mad Rock? Either way, crystal clear explanations.
No, Kenny is not the founder of Mad Rock, but he's been with the company about a decade and works closely with the founder, Young Chu.
Incredible video. Love hearing these finer details. I do wonder how this relatively untested technology will maintain downturn overtime relative to tensioned platforms, but this is super interesting. Also @MadRockClimbs - any thoughts on sizing the CS vs the Drone 2.0?
The CS was tensioned more than the 2.0 so most people have been going up a half size from their 2.0 sizing. Those with shorter toes however have been able to go with the same size.
Does the new drone 2.0 design make resoling more difficult?
I know this was a concern with the Haywire which used a singular piece toebox, and the premise was finding a resoler who had access to Mad Rock parts. I think this will be the same and the cost will be a little higher.
My exact tought! I have a Black Drone thats going for the second resoling in less them a year of usage (yes I'm a crackhead when It comes to climbing) and I can't help but worry about the acess to this full rubber patch living in Brasil
They will be so stinky that you wouldn’t want to anyway
Using the grind & glue method is just as easy as resoling traditionally made shoes!
@@madrockclimbing sorry I'm not sure I understand. What do you mean by grind and glue? Is that the same as cutting half the sole off, sticking a fresh piece of rubber and then using a belt sander to shape it? If so would that not change the whole essence of the moulded shoe like the curve in the shoe which you highlighted in rockentry's video on the drone 2.0's ?
As much as I love my drone Comps, and they feel like a warm but firm hug for my feet, the rubber is almost TOO soft, and tends to almost roll under the shoe when doing slabs, just like a eraser. Have had much better luck with the redlines, but they aren't quite as nice in other ways. The best in my personal opinion would be the exakt same last and shape as for CS, but with Science friction rubber. Maybe even slightly softer last if used for comps, but with a harder edge right up at the toe's.
Does anyone know if the Drone 2s have the same fit as the Drone 1s? Sadly have to ship them so can't try them on
not really, at the same size, the toebox felt more painful and the heel cup baggy and insecure
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Just Sell those rubber molds and I would become a die hard fan
How long till the Mad Rock Drone 2.0 will be for sale in EU? 🥺
Please make an all black 2.0
(With a black tongue) 🥹
Hello. Which climbing shoes are better for me for climbing lead on limestone and for slabs? Is drone 2.0 or drone CS more suitable for me? Thank you in advance
That's an impossible question to answer because climbing on vertical or steeper limestone requires a completely different shoe than climbing slab. that being said, you can use any shoe to climb anything, it's a matter of optimization. The Drone 2.0 is better for edging or for pockets (limestone) and the CS is better for slab. It's a matter of which one you would like to optimize. It's a matter of having the cake or eating it.
Only thing holding me back from buying a pair rn is the HV and LV comparison. Like the drago lv’s fit me well but are a little mushy in the heel so i imagine i need to buy the lv drones? Or since this guy mentioned how their hv’s fit more like other brands lv’s that i should get the drone hv’s? Im just comfused
I know it's not always possible, but with any climbing shoes it's pretty critical to try them on, not just for volume and size but the general last shape. I'm a big fan of Mad Rock but the Drones do not fit my foot shape at all.
What is the difference with the IRS from Boreal of +15 years ago?
which one is most like the 5.10 hiangle??
Not sure if I should order online (in Australia). My only reference is that I wear a 41.5 evolv shaman
Hmm anyone has gotten the cs? And how was your fit, True to size like he said? Or do you need to down. Does it fit short and wide heels and toebox?
Most climbers have been going up a half size in the CS vs. 2.0. We tensioned the shoe quite aggressively since the shoe is much softer overall.
if it helps, i upsized by 1 size for comfort fit, but half size seemed to work best. i used to downsize 1 full size for scarpas (instinct vsr)
I'd love to buy some Drone 2.0 HV's, but it seems my size (US 9.5) is always sold out. Any idea when this model will become more widely available?
Hey I just saw this comment and thought I could help. I messaged them on instagram and they said late next week hopefully. So around Nov 9-10 maybe? All the best
so since everything is one rubber, this means that resole is not an option anymore? :(
Fortunately resoling is absolutely still an option! Resolers grind and glue like they would any other traditionally made shoe.
Unfortunately with the molded toe shoes they may be impossible to resole so you're stuck rebuying more often.
In another comment, Madrock replied that you can resole them like any other shoe with the grind and glue method
so when is the vision coming out?
At this point it seems like the Vision is still a few years away from it becoming a real climbing shoe vs a concept shoe. BUT the learning that's been happening in the process of creating the Vision is going to allow for many other totally new shoe designs in the meantime.
🤯
Please keep anchoring the price. I won't be able to afford $300 climbing shoes 😭
So true!
Some people have skinny heels and wider front foot- dont know why developers still only make slim foot/meaty foot options only 🙄
Drones 1.0=Secret Sauce
Drones 2.0=The Sauce
The secret is out.
Is the 1.0 Better than the 2.0?
@@Alex413xAlien 2 is way better.
More sensitive, Better foot shaping And the rubber never peels off. I kept mine in the car over summer and did not have any degradation in the shoe.
Have u tried the cs?
@Alex413xAlien yes, Extremely sticky rubber, That goes fast on rough outdoors, Perfect for gym.
Thank you so much for your help
remoras better
Had the Drone, Remora and shark and non of them can match my instincts or Skwama. Drone and Remora is so unstable on small edges and the shark sux on slabs. Definitely no mad rock for me again.
Vegan glue is shit on black drones. Dont buy them, i was stupid enough to buy them twice cuz i love the model, but now im switching for good. 150eu for shoe that start to delaminate first time you stand on small edge. 🤢
Seems to be almost imposible a resole