Grow These NATIVE FLOWERING SUB-CANOPY TREES - Ep. 162
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- There is a certain area of our land that we refer as the "interstitial" area that separates the more wild forest from the driveway and meadow. There we're going to be largely focusing on fruiting and flowering sub-canopy trees and shrubs. Of course, we're looking at planting those elsewhere, but we envisioned a beautiful drive or walk up the driveway lined with smaller- to mid-tier trees flowering from April through July. These are some of those native sub-canopy trees, which you may want to consider as well!
We are in Zone 5/6 in Upper Central New York, so folks understand geographically where we are.
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native plant series is so useful and interesting!
Glad it's helpful!
Under and around my Northern Red Oak and Silver Maple I planted a Dwarf Chinkapin Oak, American Black Elderberry, Wild Hydrangea and an Arrowwood viburnum. I call it the edge of my forest. It is a large backyard going on 3 year at this house and I also have my garden and native flowers as well. I love your channel and admire your knowledge of our native species. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing the number of insects species important to the trees. That is very meaningful. You are validating my choices. Cheers!
The service berries are really tasty when dried, like a raisin. Use to leave them on the trees till they got to that point, but now the birds are eating them up before they even get ripe, at least last year they did.
My neighbor had service berries but got scared of her kids to eat them & cut them all out.
Fantastic additions. Thank you Christine!
I love my serviceberry tree and am planting 2 more. We enjoy watching the robins and the catbirds duke it out to see who gets the most berries. Robins are very territorial and will defend, but the catbirds are wily and persistent.
Thank you for including all the other NATIVE videos in the show notes.
No worries. For people who aren't that familiar with YT, you can hit the "i" in the upper right hand side of the screen, and all the other linked videos are there for when they are mentioned, in case other folks want to refer to those earlier videos.
I love what you're doing at Flock, especially the native trees and the native meadow!! What a huge native meadow, just filled with wildlife I bet. What a view!
I learned so much from you, thank you so much for sharing your love of trees and plants!! ❤
You're welcome.
My local service berry is Amelanchier alnifolia. They can be really good depending on the weather in spring. They make for nice trail snacks but I'd never harvest them, the birds and bears need them more.
20:11 Hi Summer - I love this native plant series you are doing! I was able to get a thornless cockspur hawthorn tree from our local tree nursery in midcoast Maine back in 2021. It’s a wonderful tree and the birds love it! Initially, it seemed to attract some sort of a parasite (aphids?) but I planted chives all around the trunk and they disappeared, thankfully! It now seems to be thriving and puts on a beautiful show in the Spring.
Fabulous that you were able to get some thornless varieties. I'll have to keep an eye out here (pun intended, with those thorns!)
@@FlockFingerLakes Thornless cockspur hawthorn goes by a few different names. Sometimes it's labeled as Crataegus crus-galli var. inermis, also there is a relatively widely available thornless variety named 'Cruzam', also sold under the copyright/trademark name 'Crusader'.
The 'Cruzam'/'Crusader' variety is also a bit more compact of a tree than the typical C. crus-galli.
Thanks for all the great content, happy to hear of so many species that suit me in SW Ontario. Planning time. Happy gardening!
Oh yes, most of these will reach up to where you are.
Same here!
I used to make pies with them when I managed nurseries in order to sell the tree/shrubs. I'd offer customers a free piece of pie. They were gorgeous. The red and blue berries with whipped cream on top look like an American flag. They're called serviceberry because in the days before paved roads along southern NY and northern Pennsylvania the roads were impassable until spring when the mud season was over. When someone passed away in winter they'd store the bodies in a cold place until a priest or preacher could travel on those dirt roads and they'd perform services. Those trees were always in bloom when the roads were passable in spring.
Stuff I'd do if I hit the lotto. Your property is by far my favorite style. Natural and beautiful
Personally I've got a beautiful property already but the problem is oaks take longer to grow than I have time left. And I'm poor so my saplings are all small and wild sourced where possible.
@MisterPerson-fk1tx I have a beautiful lot too. Lol you can take my big oaks. I don't want them. I want more sun on my gardens.
@@twistnshout3031Well you're on a good video for the subcannopy. I more have groves than a real forrest. Worst part is most of my evergreens have decided to go brown and check out! Breaking out the axe isn't a option to be taken lightly but it's in all our tool kits. Hope you're rich in them before considering it though. I'm leaving a dead evergreen on purpose for woodpeckers and vines that'll girdle a living tree, axe work still to be done though.
@MisterPerson-fk1tx awesome. Yea I was gonna say use them to grow mushrooms or leave a few dead ones as a habitat. Sounds cool.
I would love to see everything as it buds! I have seen first hand how LOOOOOONG it takes spring to really ya’know spring 😅 but it’s slow and steady and documenting the small changes would be really cool! … Timelapse?
How long spring takes *in upstate New York*
When I'm there full time I'll be able to do that, but going back and forth, I lose long gaps of time unfortunately in between.
Thank you!
I can’t wait to see the field!!!
I hit 👍 three seconds in because I know it’s going to be a great video ❤
Lovely video. You are so knowledgeable, such a pleasure to listen to you. What a gorgeous land you all have.
I LOVE Fringe trees. They are breath taking when they are in bloom.
If you haven’t already contact Horsford Gardens and Nursery in Charlotte, VT, it might be worth a phone call to see if they have any of these subcanapy trees. Although I haven’t bought any trees from them, I have been happy with their extensive perennial offerings which I typically can’t find at my local nurseries. Nice road trip from my Lake George area.
I refuse to buy anything from them since they sold me a rhododendron that they had marked as hardy. When it died, I looked it up; turns out it was only hardy to zone 7 or so. When I went there, with receipt in hand, they said that they didn't guarantee them. I'd paid over $100 for it because it was a spectacular deep purple color. They charge exorbitant prices for plants that you can get elsewhere for much less.
Thank you for this video. I’m in southern New York and just started adding some native flowering trees to my small yard.
Marvelous. Glad this was useful.
Thornless Hawthorn varieties growing in northern Canada- Alberta, Grande Prairie, Edmonton and south to Calgary are Snowbird Hawthorn Crataegus x mordenensis 'Snowbird'(white flowers), and Toba Hawthorn Crataegus x mordenensis 'Toba'(pink flowers).
I always find it interesting to watch your native plant videos, and to see which of them I'm familiar with here in the UK, albeit different species sometimes, but within the same genus or family. We have a few different wild plums, some like you mention have quite bitter fruit (Prunus spinosa for example, which has thorns like the hawthorn you featured). I'm excited to see the interstitial area develop, and for an update on the bulbs!
Lovely things to come
Great stuff Summer. (Serviceberry “Autumn Brilliance” is amazing 365 days a year . Salix discolor (zones 4 to 8) is blooming now here in Indianapolis. (known to be the earliest blooming)Temps in the 20s to the 60s slow’s bloom. But seem to bloom in turn along branches. Fast growing willow, great for crafts AND 289 species use for a larval host. Warm days bee’s visit…
Fabulous suggestions and additions Bret. Thank you!
So cool ! I’ve been trying to identify a tree by my mailbox that was here when we moved in to get the white flowers it’s got Doris and I thought it was some kind of pear, ornamental pear but you just nailed it it’s a Hawthorne thank you so much
There are some invasive ornamental pears as well that you can look out for like the Bradford pear. We removed those from the land. Should have put that in the "replace this tree with these" video!
Next year you can start to enjoy them. Amazing
Loved this review! Thank you!
You're most welcome!
Would love to see you try propagating the varieties that you have on your land. Especially by cuttings because that's something I would like to try my hand at
Been wondering about this subject thanks for all your research. Shortcut for me.
thank you, doing a slightly similiar project on my property in vermont, might plant the fringe tree someday if the borer slows in region , we dont have the ash borer yet btw, will stay tuned to your channel!
Great video ❤👍❤ I plant a Heptacodium miconioides. Greatings from Germany 🤗
Great video! I just thought I would mention that elderberry is another great native shrub. Also Viburnums and Physocarpus 😁
Crataegus viridis (Green Hawthorn), Missouri native I believe, I found it online at Missouri wildflowers nursery. They say it's almost thornless & very resistant to cedar rust diseases.
thank you!
Thank you for doing this! I’m looking for one of these with a more upright growth habit that can take some afternoon sun for the back corner of my 2 story house. Located in Syracuse area. I’m trying to pack out my 3rd acre lot and make up for the fact that I’ve used quite a few arborvitae to screen my property lines. I have a good mix of native shrubs and perennials and along the back of my property have a native white pine sapling and river birch trees. Such a hard site with the poor draining clay that gets soggy during the spring.
I'm loving this series! Thank you!
With prunus, do you any issues with black knot disease in your area?
I've seem some black knot on one very old Prunus that we have here. It still flowers, even though it appears half dead. Most trees I think can handle some black knot. It doesn't seem super prevalent here on this land, but time will tell!
hi summer, another very helpful video. we already had a lot of huge old florida dogwoods and have been adding many more both pink and white over the years. last year i ordered over 100 small redbuds so we have been adding these to the landscape to. i might add that the redbuds bloom a bit before the dogwoods so in some places we have planted groupings of redbuds behind the dogwoods so we are able to get an unobstructed succession of blooms from different viewpoints. even though they are thorny i would highly recommend hawthorns, they are our earliest bloomers and give a really big show when we are really so ready for spring. another added feature of all these i have mentioned is they will all grow under walnuts which have a toxin that really limits their understory companion plantings. another native understory tree that offers a really big show for those of us a little further south of you guys is magnolia grandiflora. up to 30" leaves and 12" white and burgundy centered flowers, a real show stopper.
Are you thinking of Magnolia macrophylla? M. grandiflora leaves do not get that large.
Thank you for the additional color and information Michael. Love the strategic planting suggestions to get those successive blooms. We're also ready for spring. Always starts and fits during this time of the year.
@@michaelmcgowan5428hi, yes michael i did mean macrophylla thanks for pointing that out.
Thank you Ms. Summer. I would love to find some plum trees and some serviceberry tress. I have one dogwood and a couple of magnolia but I would also like to find more dogwood. 🌷💚🙃
Not sure where you're from in my but I used to sell prunus canadensis anad many of the other plants you're looking for that was at Bristol's garden center in victor ny right off the thruway exit. Another just natives only place is just south of Canandaigua, ny. All he sells in native species to NY. It's on the east side of Canandaigua lake. He Actually grows much of his stuff. White oak nursery on kipp Rd. He also writes extensively on native plants.
Thanks for another great episode, Summer. Very informative! I’d love to add a couple of serviceberries to the landscape but do you know if they are deer resistant?
After they get to a certain size, the deer don't seem to bother them. We have ones not within a fenced in area and the deer haven't ransacked them.
Hawthorns are among the most species-diverse trees in North America, which I didn't expect. The Morton Arboretum just did a tree species survey in the U.S. ... first of its kind... you might want to check it out. (Far fewer species than I'd thought!)
I just bought vacant land that has a beautiful old granddaddy of a hawthorn tree on it. Cannot wait to see it in flower this year!
I wish there were a channel like yours focused on Colorado or a similar dry western state. All well. I don't have room for trees or many shrubs and whatnot.
Oh my goodness! I made a cobbler with serviceberry, not knowing what it was - just that it tasted good 😛
I'm sure it's tasty as a cobbler. I like pies to be a little less sweet and imagine that to be a good berry to do that with!
Some service berries are better than others - there's a planting of 7 A. canadensis near me, all the same cultivar. 2 of them taste incredible, like a Concord grape infused into a blueberry with heavy almond notes. They are hard to propagate, apparently softwood cuttings only and not a high success rate, but I am going to try! If you find a good tasting amelanchier, try to propagate it from green spring growth!
Thanks for the solid tips!
Crataegus inermis is thornless. Also the redbud Flowers are edible for like salads.
Amelanchiers alnifolia and canadensis (if I'm not mistaken) are also known as a "saskatoon" (NOT a serviceberry), and they taste NOTHING like a blueberry lol I have literally MILLIONS of wild plants of them around here, and we spend hours upon hours picking wild saskatoons JUST so that we can have saskatoon pie in the wintertime. Hell there's even a CITY named after them in Saskatchewan. The only downside right now is that they love sandier soils, as do the local potato farmers, who are leveling bushes and forests where they can be found just so they can swing an irrigation pivot, much to the consternation of everyone else in the area. There's also several varieties of "tame" saskatoons available, under the names "Smokey", "Thiessen", and "Northline" (there are likely more, but those three are by far the most popular varietals available).
You can also find them alongside Prunus pensylvanica and Prunus virginiana, as well as rosa acicularis, rosa woodsii, wild ground cherries (kinda like a yellow tomato in a paper husk like a tomatillo, usually found on the ground hiding in the grass, with a sweet, slightly pineapple-y taste), rubus idaeus, Ribes americanum, wild plums (don't ask me the name, but the fruit is a fairly small red-to-dark-pink-skinned yellow-fleshed fruit with a LARGE pit growing on trees with a hawthorn-like spine on the branches) and many other delicious fruits and berries.
Some people call them serviceberries, the name comes from the fact that these were planted in graveyards (I think that term is more common in the East and I here Saskatoon more in Canada and in the west).
I am located Upstate NY, just did a manual removal of European buckthorn thicket on a very wet section of our property. I've read that for restoration work, you need to plant other natives back quickly to out compete buckthorn from sprouting back again. Which would you recommend that are 'Aggressive' natives for wetland area? I thought spicebush, highbush blueberry, Elderberry, pussy willow, winterberry, nannyberry and for trees swamp white oak, river birch, red maple, dogwood. Silky and gray dogwood were only other present species within thicket.
Thank you for the info on the fringe tree (I planted one and will keep an eye open for borer issues.)
Note on trees is the rosacea family: I've been informed that all rosacea plants/trees are susceptible to cedar apple rust. (?)
Yes, rust can be a problem on apples in general. Most will decide to remove the trees entirely.
@@FlockFingerLakes apples and any tree or plant in the rose family including amelanchier, hawthorne, berries, a number of stone fruits, pears, and so many others. I've been told that the only thing to do to ensure they are o.k. is to treat with copper fungicide before the rust appears and pretty much for the life of the tree. (!) Perhaps treat the junipers instead? Or is it even something I should really worry about??
Would love to take my daughter for a tour in the future one day
I love host species!!
Your videos, and you, are great! Keep up the good work. ❤️
Thank you!
Just want to mention serviceberries can actually be grown up to zone 2 depending on variety. They are super cold hardy.
Also I’ve had serviceberries that are way better tasting than blueberries. It really depends on variety.
I like all these plants & trees mentioned in this video, would love to source them & grow them here in my home country.
#India, i need a radical change immediately implemented at a national level to restore these green covers with colorful tree ecosystem, & canopies. Living in India, feels depressing! Please take initiatives.
Good stuff! I'm in the middle of a battle against bamboo and privet, but once that's done, I hope to cover the area with some understory trees. If I win the fight, that is.....
Good luck! I have a battle with privet too.
@@umiluv Thank you. I wish you well in your battle against the vile beasts, also. I'm looking at getting a drone just so I can spray the tops with herbicide! 😁
I recently learned that just because a native is useful to wildlife, one of its cultivars may not be, I.e. a differently colored bee balm might not be recognizable to birds and insects. When talking about the varieties of native, I am curious if some of the cultivars are as useful. Thanks for a great and beautiful video.
Hey! What website do you use that shows you the number of insect hosts? Thanks!
Commonly called "Saskatoons"; delicious! they grow in zone 3.
And here you are again, guess I should sub at this point. Appreciate you not begging for it.
Would you consider Staghorn Sumac for this list?
Pagoda dogwoods are beautiful accent trees. The one at my parents' house seems to be experiencing some die-back. Could that be anthracnose? Are there pests that affect them? One huge branch just rotted out. I'm in the Chicago area so most pests will get here eventually. We have a huge problem with viburnum borer ... killed our beautiful [admittedly sterile and non-native] snowball bush.
How old is the tree? Not all Cornus are super long lived. Maybe 100 years. They can get blights and cankers, so I would look around at the tree to see if you see any signs.
@@FlockFingerLakes It was pretty large when it was installed about a decade ago, so I'm guessing maybe 20 y/o?
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Hello Summer, DO THE WASHINGTON HAWTHORN BERRIES HAVE A THE SAME NUTRITIONAL AND MEDICINAL PROPERTIES AS THE HAWTHORN YOU TALKED ABOUT ?
Most herbalists do not distinguish between hawthorn fruits, so that's a perspective I can share. I am un-read as far as differentiation of phyoconstituents of different hawthorn fruits based on species or cultivars, however, so I'm limited in that regard at this stage.
@@FlockFingerLakes Okay, thank you for responding and your honesty 😊
If you want caterpillars on the Redbud avoid cultivars that have a different leaf color. Especially when leaves are altered to red. Insects won’t identify it as their host plant I hear.
That's a very good point. Thanks for bringing it up. Red-leaved varieties of most plants (albeit beautiful) do not encourage insects who rely on that species.
Are straight species more beneficial to biodiversity than their nativar counterparts?
How do you control deer?
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Just when you thought it was safe to go out and plant this week they’re predicting 4 to 5 inches of snow, that last week in March in the first week of April are always iffy…….
It would nice if you would tell us where you are located. Watching you on a TV you don't get the notes.
We're in the Finger Lakes region of New York (hence the name of the channel, "Flock Finger Lakes". Zones 5/6.
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Great video, thank you. Plz stop saying "interstitial" LOL
Why? That's the name we have given the "rectangular swath of land between the forest and the meadow" and quite frankly, "interstitial land" is much easier to say than that!
@@FlockFingerLakes buffer zone might work. I think the colloquial might be more approachable. Not super serious more of a joke!! Interstitch away ;>)
In planting your "buffer zone" have you considered the Miyawaki method of planting?