Hi Brian, I have gone through multiple Vedio tutorial on Silver Peak in RUclips and must say this is the Best Tutorial , Thank you so much for excellent Stuff ! I have few query, Is Orchestrator is the control Plane or Management Plane ? or control & Data plane resides on the the Edge devices it self ? If it's resides on Edge appliance how much scalable it is ? As we know, others Vedors like CISCO & Versa have dedicated Control plane as Controllers by following SDN main principal of decoupling Control plane and Data plane.
Appreciate the feedback and glad you enjoyed them! Regarding Orchestrator it is management and monitoring. That is, if it is down/unavailable the SDWAN will still be able to function fine for a period of time but you lose the management and monitoring features. Anything not available to be viewed or configured on the appliance itself is no longer there. In addition it manages the key rotation for the IPSEC aspect so if it is down longer than the key rotation interval the SDWAN would fall apart as well at that time. Hopefully that answers your questions. I've spent a fair amount of time with the Cisco product as well. Both in customer POCs where i was leading the SilverPeak side as well as in my own lab building it from scratch. In my opinion the products function very similarly at a high level. They can both provide pretty much anything needed for SDWAN. The piece that gets me is the amount of work that has to go in to building Cisco's solution. Bringing up and making the vManage, vBond, vSmart and getting them to the point they can take on appliances and actually start to function is an undertaking. Granted this assumes on prem and not cloud but still. In addition, in the POCs I've done when the customer says well what if we want to do this I've noticed the answer on both products is always a resounding yes, however, I waltz into Orchestrator and say click here, here, and change this and its done where on the Cisco side it's somewhat of a groan and well we'd have to change all these templates or this/that, we can do it but it'll take a while. Lastly, as I mentioned in a lot of my videos I spend so much of my time managing the solution in the flows section identifying and troubleshooting how traffic is being handled etc. I've just recently in lab found out this same feature set doesn't appear to be available out of the gate with Cisco and the only real way to identify traffic flows is at the CLI. I was somewhat blown away by this and found you may have to have yet another product deployed to get that data. Again, the products both work amazingly but my opinion is it appears the Cisco solution is cumbersome in configuration and doesn't provide the same analytical data out the gate.
@@brianstamper Thanks a Lot for detailed Explanation ! Yes even I felt through your tutorial that Orchestrator in Silverpeak solution is single plane of glass which is easy to Manage,Configure and Monitor(in terms of flows & Analytics) compared to other solutions .Also another key feature is WAN optimization in Silverpeak.However I feel seperate control plane component in CiSCO & Versa plays key role while doing granular or extensive Traffic Engineering.One last query in my mind is that How Silverpeak solution handles multitenancy ,Is this supports natively and Does it support any kind of VRF or VPN concepts ?
They have a Service Provider Unity Orchestrator for multi tenant when it comes to the SP side. On the Appliance side they do support both GRE/IPSEC tunnels so you can manually build them. I've had to do this for a number of customers as well. In addition, VRFs are there as well. www.silver-peak.com/resource-center/service-provider-unity-orchestrator
@@brianstamper Thanks a Ton Brian for prompt valuable inputs or Insights ! It's really nice discussion & Tutorial which enhance my Knowledge in Silverpeak!
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Hi Brian, I have gone through multiple Vedio tutorial on Silver Peak in RUclips and must say this is the Best Tutorial , Thank you so much for excellent Stuff ! I have few query, Is Orchestrator is the control Plane or Management Plane ? or control & Data plane resides on the the Edge devices it self ? If it's resides on Edge appliance how much scalable it is ? As we know, others Vedors like CISCO & Versa have dedicated Control plane as Controllers by following SDN main principal of decoupling Control plane and Data plane.
Appreciate the feedback and glad you enjoyed them! Regarding Orchestrator it is management and monitoring. That is, if it is down/unavailable the SDWAN will still be able to function fine for a period of time but you lose the management and monitoring features. Anything not available to be viewed or configured on the appliance itself is no longer there. In addition it manages the key rotation for the IPSEC aspect so if it is down longer than the key rotation interval the SDWAN would fall apart as well at that time. Hopefully that answers your questions.
I've spent a fair amount of time with the Cisco product as well. Both in customer POCs where i was leading the SilverPeak side as well as in my own lab building it from scratch. In my opinion the products function very similarly at a high level. They can both provide pretty much anything needed for SDWAN. The piece that gets me is the amount of work that has to go in to building Cisco's solution. Bringing up and making the vManage, vBond, vSmart and getting them to the point they can take on appliances and actually start to function is an undertaking. Granted this assumes on prem and not cloud but still. In addition, in the POCs I've done when the customer says well what if we want to do this I've noticed the answer on both products is always a resounding yes, however, I waltz into Orchestrator and say click here, here, and change this and its done where on the Cisco side it's somewhat of a groan and well we'd have to change all these templates or this/that, we can do it but it'll take a while. Lastly, as I mentioned in a lot of my videos I spend so much of my time managing the solution in the flows section identifying and troubleshooting how traffic is being handled etc. I've just recently in lab found out this same feature set doesn't appear to be available out of the gate with Cisco and the only real way to identify traffic flows is at the CLI. I was somewhat blown away by this and found you may have to have yet another product deployed to get that data.
Again, the products both work amazingly but my opinion is it appears the Cisco solution is cumbersome in configuration and doesn't provide the same analytical data out the gate.
@@brianstamper Thanks a Lot for detailed Explanation ! Yes even I felt through your tutorial that Orchestrator in Silverpeak solution is single plane of glass which is easy to Manage,Configure and Monitor(in terms of flows & Analytics) compared to other solutions .Also another key feature is WAN optimization in Silverpeak.However I feel seperate control plane component in CiSCO & Versa plays key role while doing granular or extensive Traffic Engineering.One last query in my mind is that How Silverpeak solution handles multitenancy ,Is this supports natively and Does it support any kind of VRF or VPN concepts ?
They have a Service Provider Unity Orchestrator for multi tenant when it comes to the SP side. On the Appliance side they do support both GRE/IPSEC tunnels so you can manually build them. I've had to do this for a number of customers as well. In addition, VRFs are there as well.
www.silver-peak.com/resource-center/service-provider-unity-orchestrator
@@brianstamper Thanks a Ton Brian for prompt valuable inputs or Insights ! It's really nice discussion & Tutorial which enhance my Knowledge in Silverpeak!