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Improving the Harley Benton BigTone Part 1 - Bigsby Rescue!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2016
- Hey guys and gals. Some of you may remember my dissatisfaction when I got this guy in. I left it as a wall hanger for the last 5 or 6 months but now I'm trying to salvage this beast.
I've bought many guitars from Thoman in Germany and always buy a hard case with the guitar to protect it in shipping. It is definitely worth the extra cost to protect the guitar.
Was thinking of getting one of these so this is really useful, cheers. Was wondering whether you can't just string it up with the strings OVER the Bigsby bar without taking it off?
Yep, that's the way I would have done it too
Yep !
I'm NOT shure your suggestions would make the guitar better... I own and play the BigTone for one year now, my trem works fine (!), no problems. My bridge is definitely not working or wandering. There are Bigsby trem systems with and without "downholding the strings", Holding them down increases the string pressure in case that their angle along the bridge is quite flat. If you demount the downholding part, the pressure gets weaker - but the part of the strings underneath the Bridge gets very long - that increases problems with sustain, tone and tuning. A Bigsby system without string downholder is (and should be) longer...
the guy who uploaded this original video is probably dead now but a more obvious solution is to just remove the bigsby tremolo arm completely ......fixes both weight and string tension 👍
@@lairdsky4604 brilliant! And I’m still kicking lol
Nice correctional video.
2 points to add my twopenny worth.
1. They are not tremelo’s. They are vibrato’s
2. Locking tuners will stabilise the tuning. (Not intonation, thats a whole new ball game on a hollow body, centre block with vibrato fitted)
Enjoy playing.
The only time the bigsby knocks the bridge out of tune is when you actually use the term San since the whole point of a bigsby is to knock the guitar out of tune you seem to have a problem for every solution given your work table present I suspect that you just enjoy tinkering with things which is a nice way to be and a creative use of time but as my dad used to say to my uncle Matt when he would immediately dismantle every watch he bought or was givennback whennwatches were expensive IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT .... unfortunately mate your condition is incurable but my uncle Matt helped defeat fascism and gifted you and me the freedom to live as we please in peace and community with our neighbours and family so you are in good company all the best and thanks for a very entertaining video greetings from Ireland John!
Good old American ingenuity ! Well done , Nick!
Yeah. "I bypassed the compressor" style. Ingenious.
@@Noone-of-your-Business Is that what they call it? I've always called it a Tension Bar. HaHa! Sounds like it could be the name of a tavern where fights break out often.
I agree with you, the single bar Bigsby is best. If I would get a Bigtone, I definately will mod it.
You might want to try a _roller bridge_ before tearing apart the Bigsby to use it in a way that it was never _intended_ to be used.
It was intended to be used this way just not on this type of guitar basically you now have the correct model of bigsby for an arch top which is what Hb should have fitted in the first place!
Awesome suggestion. I was thinking of buying this guitar and your mod would be the first thing I would do.
Thank's for the tips... Great video ...im hopin to get a lefty in white soon.
Awesome video please name that tuning just kiddin rock on 🎸🎸🎸😎
Very good info.
Looks like if you get into it really aggressively with the pick and do a lot of stretching, that would be a disaster?
Hi a big hello from the UK Northern Ireland. I own 4 Gretsch guitars and a Gibson. I have a love affair with hollow body and semi-hollow guitars. I have been looking at these guitars with interest. I have always wanted a white guitar, I know this isn't a great reason to buy a guitar. Gretsch takes a massive price jump in the UK for a guitar like this. Their G5422TG model is £890 about $1074. I already own a G2410tg but I was looking for a guitar that I could have some fun with and not panic about changing pickups, pickguards, tuners etc.
My question is, can this bridge be pinned? Secondly if you remove the Bigsby, could you use the holes to mount a tail piece like on a Gibson or the V shaped ones used by Gretsch? If you were to use an old style tail peice would this leave nasty holes all over the top of the guitar.
What are your thoughts on the stock pickups, do you think a set of Gretsch filter trons or broad trons would work with the guitar.
Enjoy your videos, thanks for posting!
So did this make the bigsby stay in tune better as you never played it for us?
Also does this hollow body feedback a lot at higher volumes and have you found any fixes for that if it does? Thanks for the great videos!
Hey hey Nick!! Long time no speak! Yeah man great improvement! You got that from Thomann? Wait till you see what i did to my Dean Palomino😱 great vid!
Dan~
Dan! Just subbed. I'll catch up on your videos tonight! I've always loves those Palominos. They're heavy but so cool. And yup, I got this at Thomann.
danlopez2012 *
You gave some good tips in this video. I know you really like Bigsby trems but I'm not so sure I would after hearing about the difficulty with changing strings and other issues. The guitar looks cool so hopefully you will get it play it more after the upgrades.
It's not so bad once you learn the secret handshake when stringing. I'll make a quick video for how I do it. There's also a string spoiler of sorts that makes it easier but I don't like how it looks.
Cool man! I'm glad you got that beast out and made it more playable! It certainly is a great looking guitar. The white model they have is beautiful! Is that a floating bridge? You were talking about using the bigsby in a gentle way, & then you mentioned Brian Setzer...he MUST have his bridge fixed, cuz he rails the shit outta his Bigsby! I've had my Gretsch 5120 for like 3-4 years, & unless I get it out and look at it, I can't remember if it's one bar or 2...think it's 2. Anyway, give her a chance, she'll grow on ya!
The bridge is actually pinned. I thought it was floating proper but it is mounted. It has 12s on it stock and intonation now that the tension is less is spot on. I've head with 9's you can't get it intonated properly... but I'm old school in my belief that a big box should have proper strings on it. Setzer does have his pinned. He abuses that damn thing! I played this for a while this morning and it has a great tone to it. The only issue is something with grounding. a slight buzz that stops when I touch the strings. I bet the bridge isn't grounded. That'll be there for volume 2!
Nick in the States yeah, mines not pinned either, but my luthier put some kinda wax or something under it to keep it in place. Swore to me it wouldn't hurt the finish. It's held up, I've been playing out with that guitar for years
For God sake mate don't get it out and look at it that knocks them out of tune straight away!
Hi Nick, I was thinking about buying the same guitar. Do you think removing the Bigsby and putting on a jazz tailpiece instead would be possible? The screw holes would have to be blocked but I think it should be OK - but then I've not seen the guitar in real life.
I think that would be pretty easy. You would have the holes but Benton actually sold a version just like that a year or two ago.
No point just don't use the bigsby
I like the pick guard... Eddie Cochran style.
Seriously, Thomann should send you a flight ticket and invite you to their store in Germany to make a few videos there.
That would be cool! I'd also swing by Henning's as well. I really need to just reach out to them and see if we can make it so I don't have to buy every HB I demo... even at their great prices it adds up.
Absolutely. You've started a real Harley Benton craze in the States.
Nick in the States good way to offset some of your repair costs would be to sell me that hb335. Just spitballing. Putting it out there for ya. Hahahahaha. Can you tell i still really want that guitar?
So James you may have won. I just bought myself another 335 style guitar for giggles... and my rationale was that I could sell you my E35 to offset the costs!
If you really want to fix it and don't want the strings popping out of the bridge there's a thing called a BigsbyFix. I put one on an Epiphone Wildkat with the same tremolo. It works perfectly. BUT, with the cost of Gretsch Streamliners now days you might as well just buy a Gretsch and be done (unless you already own the HB).
Jim64 Aaz@
cool tip! yeah i took the bigsby off my SG cos it just got in the way of the controls. they're not for everyone.
I'm about to do the same with mine. I also like the sparseness of an SG. Flat plank of wood and some pickups. I may do this when I get home today as I haven't played it in a while.
maybe leave the bridge part and take the arm and spring off (if you can). i found the mass of the bridge really added sustain. i couldn't take the arm off mine though (it's not an actual bigsby)
Good idea... let me see what I can do!
That is such a pretty guitar. It's a shame you've had to do so much work on it to simply get it going. Has Thomann offered you a coupon for the damage/troubles?
I did get a 10% credit from Thomann for the damage, which wasn't bad. This was initially a major disappointment of a guitar but now that the most glaring issue is solved it's growing on me. I still need to solve a bridge grounding issue and swap out the tuner buttons but it's much more enjoyable now.
Nice! I really hope it all comes together quick because I want to hear it without any of the problems. I bet it will have some good blues tones when your finished.
Nick, this is cool. I'm glad you found a practical way to make this, otherwise really cool guitar work. I saw a guy that came up with a roller extension for about $40.00. Is roller the right word? I love Bigsby's too. Nick, I so, think that you are a man of the collar. Saint Nick! I was wandering if you are still getting my emails. No pressure, but, I won't send anymore if you changed addresses or it's not working for you. Thanks for all you do!
I had someone show me that extension too! That's brilliant. And I think I am still getting your emails... sorry! Just realized that while I have gotten back into the video thing I haven't been paying attention to that other mailbox! I'll get a reply over shortly!
Over the hill cheap gear noodler Az@
Nice one mate,cheers!
Thansk Clive!
You're right. You should have gone with the other brand of guitar for "$100.00". If you go to a restaurant and they are selling lobster for $0.05 a lb., chances are you aren't going to get a very good lobster. Are you following me?
Nope, nobody is following you. Afucking lobster is not a guitar. These HB guitars normally have great value. Of 27 pieces he has 2 which dissapoint. Most of them compare to guitars 3 times the cost or more.
exellent
Glad you enjoyed it!
A simple mod to make the guitar play much better.
I bet those humbuckers have some serious QUACK when plugged in ;-)
LOL They bring the Quack for sure!
This guitar should be equiped with the Bigsby B6.
Hey nick
is it any good now? after the rescue...
do you advice to buy it now?
cheers from Israel :)
Hi Mor Josef! Greeting from a great distance away my friend. After the rescue things are much better. Honestly though, if you can find a used Ibanez Artcore (AF75) in the same price range you'd be better off going in that direction. I have another video coming Wednesday where I swap tuner heads and talk about some lessons learned. I do enjoy playing it now though. And at this price it is still a pretty good value.
+Nick in the States hi nick thanks for the comment
I was originally wanted to buy the Harley Benton HB 35
I'm really on the budget and I don't have that much of used guitars variety
Waiting for your next vid :)
Hi Josef I have a good mate from Israel and he always advises you should never buy anything ever ! Greetings from Scotland !
How about adding a white Pickguard or getting one cut to suit .Stick the redundant bar back on under the strings on for aesthetics if you still have that bigsby on there.
HB should have installed the single bar shorter version bigsby on that model and not the double because the bridge is a floater . Gretsch only use the double bar Bigsby on models with a FixedBridge and all fixed bridge models have a center block inside the hollow body ( said to reduce feedback) which the bridge is screwed into . www.thomann.de/gb/gretsch_g5420t_electromatic_os.htm?ref=search_rslt_gretsch_388542
Nice one.
Thanks man!
Noticed that you haven't entered my contest, only 2 days to go!
Shit, going there now!
That trem arm isn't usable.
Not for most of us anyway.
Way to short.
No point in having a trem.
Is it just me or is the audio/video sync off? Anyway, love the guitar and what you've done with it. I bought a Douglas L-5 copy from Rondo that appears to be about the same quality (maybe even from same manufacturer?) Nice guitars for the money. Love your pink Strat living room guitar by the way ;-)
Audio/video sync appears to have fixed itself. Must be a RUclips delay....
Might be. I've had some oddness with it of late. I'll get this bad boy fixed up right! I loved those Douglas WNO's! I actually tried to find one before I bought this.
That Strat is sweet. It's a relic'd nitro body with an old Japanese neck that I had laying around. Killer vibe from it!
nice one, dude
Thanks!
Man I dig those guitars. I'll buy one just for the artistic factor!! Sweet, sweet, buxom body!! What's not to love about her?
Welfare Batman Dude Guy gives this sweet mama to full "Shwings" and three full blown BOING!!! s
So what does that look like ? - Shwing! Shwing! Shwing!! and a BOING!...BOING!!...BOING!!!
Tee Hee Hee!!
Jack
Ahh Welfare Batman Dude Guy... I think you may have to be the first official recipient Welfare Batman Dude Guy Commenter of the Month (TM). They are a pretty guitar... and this one is getting better by the day with subtle fixes and upgrades.
Nick in the States
I love it brother, I could just set it on a stand a stare at her and talk dirty for hours!!
I have a Cherry Red Epiphone Casino that I play every day no fail, and I know if I ever bought one of those, and I will, I's have to put the Casino in her case to prevent jealousy!
Is it again the law to commit Roger adultery on a guitar? Just wondering...it's not as if I'm the kind of guy whose about to cheat on his Casino...why are you looking at me like that?
I love you gig Nick, awesome niche you've carved out for yourselfish!!
Keep em coming!!
Me and the Mrs are gonna sit down on my newest garbage bin acquisition, a virtually brand new back in 1985 full length lazy dude couch chair combo! And watch us some Walking Dead...the season premiere was outrageous! How dare they!!??
Anyway, the wife will probably want to watch too, and ruin everything between me and the Cherry Red hottie as usual!...Hmmmph!!
You think you have issues Nick? LOL!
Take care man, I do love the show!!
Jack
LOL awesome man. Enjoy it!
WATCHING FROM THE HOUSE
Woo hoo!
Howard the duck is not impressed !😝
He's in line at the soup kitchen... poor guy... was a good run while it lasted lol.
Quack!
Quack
Quack!
-doesnt sound like it's worth it.
hey dude, at 2 mins in, you're kinda out of tune.
HAHA Damn you Boris!
Sorry dude, your playing betrays a serious lack of familiarity with the guitar in general. You’re pretty good at talking on camera, just choose a different topic.