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The world vicariously enjoys the benefits of salvation of the cross, living next to Christians or "Christian nations". The idea of us trying to determine who is and who isn't elected is not a fruitful line of thought, just trust that God will get who he wants and we sow seed wide and deep.
Paul had absolutely no problem calling out false teachers who led people astray. That being said, he wasn’t always correct like not accepting Mark at first (who would go on to record the Gospel of Mark) and strained a relationship with a friend because of it. It’s the dynamic between doing it in the right spirit, for the right reasons.
@@jakeschwartz2514 but Mark was not going around teaching & preaching false doctrines on the gospel. They just had disagreements, they both love the Lord the gospel, but neither does Paul had it right all the time, so you can both be called of God doing his will but disagree in some areas, because we are flawed human beings so was Paul & Mark not perfect in flesh, ONLY Jesus Christ was perfect
@@lovingjesus3042 true, but Paul was pretty harsh going as far saying that Mark wouldn’t be profitable to the kingdom. He had a friendship ruined because of it.
The way Allen lost weight is how I lost weight too! I didn’t have any guidance just a lot of research. Weight lifting, getting steps in, intermittent fasting,and protein protein protein is where I’m at now. God is good!
Love this space! So informative & educational! I been expose to & binge watching Allen Parr. I'm involved in ministry & both of yall keep this brother sharp. Thanks!
Even though you may not read this. I honestly have to say that watching this video. Not only gave me another spiritual level of respect for you, but it also was needed for move to the next phase that my father has for me, I only hope that. Months or years from now, I will have a video with your name in it reminding myself and others of how somebodys testimony/sermon makes a big reflection in your life. TGBTG 🙌🏽🙏🏽👏🏽❤️
I love these conversations! I was excited to watch this. I was raised and still am from a Wesleyan/Holiness and Arminian tradition, and the way I was raised, we do believe we can lose salvation, but based on us walking away, based on free will. NOT anyone plucking us out of God’s hand. I still consider these my brothers. We believe in inerrancy and PRIMACY of Scripture, though we consider tradition and experience as well. From my understanding, we don’t differ on as much as people think. Mainly secondary issues. God bless guys! Keep teaching us. To GOD be the GLORY!
Great video Ruslan! I appreciate the nuance in these conversations but also the commitment to truth from both of you. There's a good balance there. It's always great to hear Allen break things down and teach. I've had the privilege of meeting Allen Parr in person. Awesome brother and bible teacher!
I think Ruslan has the right idea. God saves some dramatically, others experience a gradual conversion, still others say they have always believed. God never seems to work the same in everyone’s life. However, there’s still a responsibility for us to accept and believe. Some people reject God openly, and he may very well say “ok” , I will leave you alone “. Seems like those who experience a more dramatic salvation, are also more tasked with a ministry of some sort, like you guys, so that you can speak from experience on God’s mercy and grace towards a more specific audience.
Used to go to Bethlehem Baptist from 2006 to 2014 at the end of Piper’s tenure, so I was there when we had a lot of Christian hip hop artists in church. That comment brought up a lot of memories.
My biggest gripe with Calvinism is that it assumes it’s definitions of certain words are accurate. For example, the term sovereignty has several acceptable definitions. Calvinist use the most strict definition of the term (God controlling everything in a deterministic manner) and just run with that. But God doesn’t have to control every single action etc. in order to be sovereign. An alternative definition of terms will allow you to interpret certain scriptures/passages in a different way.
I don't think they do, maybe the stereotypical parody calvinist the online community seems to love jabbing at and the loud extremes online but I had no idea God was sovereign from the way folk spoke about Him until Calvinist and it was always defined to me as having the final say so, He either causes or allows and all towards His own purpose and is the only one with that right or power. In that sense, He does "control" everything because even when we're doing our own thing, its still on a collision course with His greater plan and purpose, "you meant it for evil, God meant it for good" type of thing
The way I see reformation from the Catholic Church is the church being the parent/father and the reformer being the child that wants the change and rebels, but the child usually ends up understanding later in life what the father meant. I hope everyone comes back to tradition and the church that Jesus founded.
I listen to you somewhat regularly. My wife was listening in, and when I said you have a new song I want to listen to, she looked at the video and asked, "Is he a Jonas Borther?" You have to shave it now, bro. 🤣
We should keep in mind that we have free will and freedom of choice and keep in mind that God seen and knew Every decision EACH person would make from throughout our lives before the world was ever made.
Thank you for you! Thank you for this video- super right on. Look forward to the year ahead with you🙏🌟🥰 sending prayers and a request for a huge blessing upon you, your family and your business that blesses us! My prayer is to bless God! Bless you🌱
Please Allan check out provisionism or talk to Leighton flowers I think that dialogue would be very beneficial. If I’m speaking for myself. I’m not reformed but I still love you man
JI Packer writes one of my favorite theological essays in the introduction to “The death of death..” by John Owen. As detailed there, the 5 points were RESPONSES to 5 other points by Arminius. Highly recommend
I have family members that are SDA and I don’t understand them at all sometimes. And there are different groups within the SDA movement. Some are traditional SDA, some are pants and jewelry wearers and some are in-between. And those differences are more pronounced between SDA in the USA vs SDA in other countries.
Rusland gave a lame excuse for how God died for the world. It's not talking about the benefits of Christianity it's about what Christ did. Calvinism has too many loopholes when the scriptures are clear. Christ died for the world
That's easy people ain't predestined his purpose is God knows who will be saved but he doesn't choose who will be saved that's where free will comes in when you don't rightly divide that's where confusion comes in
My understanding or perspective has been that while Jesus did die for everyone. Being outside of time and knowing the future, He also knows who will accept His free gift of salvation or reject it. The "gift of salvation" is for everyone, but not everyone accepts it. That's free will. "Pre-determined or pre-destination" seems to say that because He knows already who will and will not accept Him, that He doesn't offer the gift to them at all. Which makes me wonder about how later on, when we are judged by God in the end times, it could be said that it won't be fair for them to not even have had a chance to make a free will choice at all. Image a court session in which only the judge has proof, based off something only they know would or wouldn't have happened sometime in the future, it would raise a "What if you did offer it to me? Would I have taken it? But I didn't even have the chance". It reminds me of "Minority report". In the movie, future crimes are stopped before they happen, meaning they don't have a chance to make a choice in free will, yet they are judged based off an event that didn't even occur and I have to just take their word for it. God made Adam and Eve and gave them a choice, even though He knew they'd fail.
Very encouraging you guys! I think the Lord might have answered 2 items I have been wondering about for awhile through this conversation! Thank you fellows
Be careful with answers presented by men. Even Satan can use the most wisest of men to distort Gods actual response. Never stop searching for an answer to your questions even if you think you received it. I’m just as guilty. That’s exactly how I would blind someone if I were the Devil. God bless bro. Take care
I started at 263 and began lifting weights. Doing cardio. And eating high protein/low processed food diet. Lots of water. Few sodas. I feel amazing. I’m four months in. And even though the scale only shows about a 10 pound drop. I’ve probably lost 20 pounds of fat and added 10 pounds of muscle. Testosterone is like a drug. It feels amazing.
Good discussion and appreciate Parr's level thought. I have touched on Adventism and their Historicism. I don't think a historicism eschatology is a DQ from orthodoxy. I have personally moved from a futurist, to Preterist, to now a version of Historicism on end times. Speaking of your discussion on "recent" teachings, you are correct, the "rapture" and dispensational teaching came around in 1830. Good stuff guys.
Being “fluid” translated, means “wavering mind”. Let’s not be wavering or unstable but adhere to biblical convictions despite how well an opposing argument is presented.
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I follow Allen Parr and I think his podcast is amazing. But I do believe we as Christians overly complicate Salvation ,to the point that, not only do we confuse the world, but also, to a large degree, ourselves. Based on the TULIP interpretation of or acronym of the basics of Calvinism ( and thank you for the easy to understand breakdown) the U and the L, however, sounds like another false doctrine…made to sound deep and theologically sound by using big words and misinterpretations of scripture. Almost Everyone knows John 3:16. It’s the most basic straight forward script about Salvation that even a baby Christian can witness with and it trumps both of those beliefs. But I also like 2 Peter 3:9 which States The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance. there’s no picking and choosing there. He’s not slack concerning his promise (some versions say slow) AS MEN count slackness. Meaning, he views salvation very differently than how Christians ( even University trained ones) view it. Why? Because he invented it. If he chooses anyone , it’s only those that he believes will impact more people,(who may not have otherwise heard of Jesus or salvation) to come to know Jesus. Which is the reason he brought together the disciples. but he’s not just choosing people likes he’s a bouncer to an exclusive club on Saturday night.😂 If that were the case, then Judas would be sitting in heaven right now. He knew what Judas was going to do, yet he CHOSE him anyway Why? Because even his betrayal set forth the greatest thing in our human history, our salvation through Jesus’ death on the cross. So even Judas had a positive impact on helping to bring people to Christ. Even though Judas didn’t intend that to be the case, God still used it. Judas , in a sense, deconstructed his faith, even tho he was literally chosen by God himself in the flesh. I find that fascinating and also quite tragic. Bottom line, Calvinism is just a banging stew that has chunks of hair in it. Throw it away. Why can’t we as Christians keep salvation simple, the way God intended. Salvation isn’t easy…but it is indeed….very simple. And this is no slight what so ever against the interview, I thought you both represent Christ well on your respective channels. I’m just another Christian talking to my brothers about what I believe we as Christ followers can do better. Love y’all both. 🙏🏽
Alan is one of the few Calvinists who is open to discuss theology in a very humble way , for a while a was a calvanist and just Allen Parr , I struggled with the limited atonement part.
A lot of different views came up a little over a hundred years back because that's around the time everyone was able to have a bible of their own in a language we could understand, before that only the preacher had a Bible and we had to trust they Actually read it and understood what they were reading. The Roman catholics tried to keep the Word suppressed from around two hundred years after the time of Jesus.
So is their a belief where God is sovereign and can choose how to save some vs others. God may give some the choice to believe in him vs others he may elect them to be saved?
The way that I reconciled Limited Atonement was that Christ's death was sufficient for the whole world but only effective for the elect. Which, I think, is pretty similar to Arminianist positions without the elect part (for obvious reasons). I.e, if everyone in the world were to come to saving faith in Jesus Christ then his death would be enough to cover them, but because God elects people to be saved then, by extension, they are the only ones to benefit from it.
But then you have God turning away Jesus’ payment. The Son paid for it, but the Father refuses to reap all the benefits He paid for with His own suffering. He should have suffered less then, or died quicker, or lived a shorter life away from the Father to be in a cursed world…only pay for exactly what He knew He needed.
@@davidpo5517 1) it isn't for us to tell God how he should spend anything because everything belongs to him 2) we shouldn't tell God how yo spend things because he is right about everything 3) he already did it, os wasting time trying to figure out how he should have spent it, is like trying to figure put the price of ham after you've already spent the money on turkey you can't take back to the store. It's ungrateful, which us the whole problem presented to people who don't believe in limited atonement. The whole problem is that the people it's for don't recieve it, not that God hasn't given enough for everyone. The Son may not have come to condemn the world, but the Word condemns the world by itself, because the world denies God and his grand gesture of love. Specifically, because they don't think it's genuine and because they think there is something better. Such is the fate of those who don't believe.
I can see Allen Parr being an excellent Bible teacher in a more traditional educational setting. As powerful a tool as RUclips is, it still falls short of a classroom where you can interact with the instructor and your fellow students. Maybe online classes are the next direction for Christian RUclipsrs.
Allen Parr said “whosoever will, let him come” I have heard that quoted over the years and I looked and researched and I have not found it anywhere. I’ve seen similar scriptures but not those exact words. Let me know where it is and if not, why don’t you and others just say that you’re paraphrasing as not to confused your viewers, esp babes in Christ.
Jesus was sinless all his days, He died for our sins, he was buried and stayed in the grave three days, and he rose again the third day. By this we have received grace to walk righteously, and mercy for our past and future, maybe, sins. All the Apostles, sans Judas, have the authority and calling of God to speak and teach and preach the things understood by the gospel of grace.
But give to your local church FIRST. Tithe to that community, then bless your favorite online teachers and preachers. And all Christians need real relationships in their church to live out the "one another" Scriptures. Alan Parr and Ruslan are not going to walk with you in your marriage, parenting, sharing your faith, hospitality, etc. Your local pastor needs your love and friendship and counsel and help. Pastors get their hands dirty, laboring for their local flock. They hold the hands of those who are suffering or dying. I appreciate teachers so much (my husband and son teach), but they don't have to oversee a whole flock, nor do they want to.
These men are sinners too they're very quick to point everybody else out but they're also sinners we must search out the word of God for ourselves you can't trust anyone when it comes to preaching a word of God it's almost impossible
Guys be careful with over complicating scripture. If Jesus says believe then believe and if we are commanded to believe that means that it’s open to absolutely everybody. How did God interact with believers before Jesus sent the Holy Spirit? Scripture never says God compelled their belief, it simply says they believed, example is Abraham, he believed and it was counted to him as righteousness. If it was God forcing him then why would He even test him by telling him to sacrifice his son. It was Abraham’s choice and belief to do as God asked. These people did not have the benefit of 66 books of the Bible..they were living and interacting in real-time. But as with all things there is this tendency to Monday morning quarterback things and overthink it and make it more complicated than it needs to be. This is how Pharisees went off course. Now it’s whole books written about how to interpret what was already written as if we need something more. Salvation is truly open to everybody and everybody has the capacity to believe…period. Otherwise it cannot be counted against them. Now does God intervene with some? Yes but even with that said everyone has a chance to believe.
I think there is a specific number of people that are predestined, but not specific individuals other than those called upon to bring about the Messiah and the scriptures.
As long as we Truly Love the Lord, know that we are Not all knowing and as long as we have a Strong desire to not only to seek out and draw closer to truth but to draw closer to the Lord Jesus Christ! Then perhaps we can draw closer as brothers and sisters in the Lord our God.
“TULIP” is an idea created by a man. The Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit. How about we stick to what the Bible says vs creating what we want it to say. The Bible is very clear that Jesus Christ died for the WHOLE world. The Bible also says many are called but few are chosen. It’s clear that God gives us the choice to pick him. People can lose the Holy Spirit because it’s a choice to obey God. That’s why these exists… Hebrews 3:12 “Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.” 1 Timothy 4:1 “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,” Hebrew 6:4-6 “For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.”
I think Mike Winger gives excellent teaching as to why Calvinism is false. I truly feel Calvinism is false and causes confusion. Also, it is not humble to believe God chooses some and not others.
Where do you draw the line on church history. Why 150 yrs? I say this because if you were alive 150 yrs after Luther , would you have discounted Martin Luther ? The reformation is not completely over.
The problem with smart 🤓 people they always try to figure out God but they can't because he has hidden it from big heads 😆, Matthew 11:25... faith is the chosen weapon of battle. All these isms.. create more schisms.. so they can kick rocks.. Jesus is enough.. it's about in Whom you believe .. not necessarily your knowledge or what you believe.. Let the Holy Spirit do his job 😅 John 16:13.
"Whosoever will, may come and drink of the water of life, freely": In Revelation 22, in the Bible. "It is not the will of the Father that one of these little ones perish:" Jesus, in the Bible. "God did, in eternity past, predestine everything that would come to pass, including who would be saved, and who would be damned": Augustine and Calvin, NOT the Bible. "Sola scriptura"?
Like if you agree- God is One God existing in 3 persons( Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The Son/Creator Jesus Christ came in the flesh, died on the cross, was buried, and rose again the 3rd day according to scripture. When His blood was shed on the cross, it paid for every sin I have committed, am committing, and will ever commit. Paid in full, forever. The moment a person places their trust/faith( of their own free will) in His finished work alone apart from any works of their own, they are saved,sealed,and secure at that very moment they change their mind from unbelief to belief( repentance= a change of mind twords God)..Born again, His child for eternity. Salvation can never be lost, and the main true evidence of salvation is the fruit of a person's lips( their words) i.e their profession of faith/ what they believe about Jesus and His finished work. Good works are good to do, absolutely, but that is discipleship/Christian growth and maturity in your walk as a Christian AFTER you are saved, and completely separate from salvation.
People are mocking your comment but basically that is the problem… The Calvinist ultimately will not focus on evangelism because they believe that is in Gods hands. Yes they will occasionally evangelize but the preaching of the gospel loses its urgency when it is up to God and not man’s role. So your comment is point on… An unbeliever would not get the gist of the conversation and would have to wait for the gospel to be preached while they work out their thoughts on Predestination and Sovereignty of God. The Unbeliever does not care about Calvinism but whether the scriptures are true
@Jern Delpeche if you look up the strongs concordance 'Destruction' is the correct insert. So I stand by what I said. What does scripture say will happen to those "evil" people? They will be destroyed will they not? So the wicked by default if are made for the day of evil as you want to go with would be destroyed right?
@@Me-myself-not-I would you care to show me the hebrew word, because till thusfar all I see is the word evil. But that is beside the point. I asked you a question. Which one of the verses is correct, according to you? Because it would seem it contradicts doesnt it? My answer is no they wont be destroyed, atleast not in the way you believe.
@@Me-myself-not-Iyours is simple, God is the creator. He made ALL things remember satan was never always evil, did God make Satan evil? No.. but he made Satan, he was a beautiful angel at first… it’s just saying how God made all things.. even the things that so happened to turn wicked.. remember that’s the same way with people Adam and Eve were made wonderful and.. well we know what happened
You are working against the kingdom when your entire RUclips channel is based on criticizing other Christians. The world looks at this criticism and says see all Christians are critical. They are even critical of one another. Luke 9:49-50 49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him,Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
Sad to say….but as an Adventist you’re not the TRUTH even so you present your theology as such! Strange that truth is stranger than your fictional theology !!!
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The world vicariously enjoys the benefits of salvation of the cross, living next to Christians or "Christian nations". The idea of us trying to determine who is and who isn't elected is not a fruitful line of thought, just trust that God will get who he wants and we sow seed wide and deep.
Paul had absolutely no problem calling out false teachers who led people astray. That being said, he wasn’t always correct like not accepting Mark at first (who would go on to record the Gospel of Mark) and strained a relationship with a friend because of it. It’s the dynamic between doing it in the right spirit, for the right reasons.
@@jakeschwartz2514 but Mark was not going around teaching & preaching false doctrines on the gospel. They just had disagreements, they both love the Lord the gospel, but neither does Paul had it right all the time, so you can both be called of God doing his will but disagree in some areas, because we are flawed human beings so was Paul & Mark not perfect in flesh, ONLY Jesus Christ was perfect
@@lovingjesus3042 true, but Paul was pretty harsh going as far saying that Mark wouldn’t be profitable to the kingdom. He had a friendship ruined because of it.
@@jakeschwartz2514But he later 5aid Mark i5 profitable to him for the go5pel.
The way Allen lost weight is how I lost weight too! I didn’t have any guidance just a lot of research. Weight lifting, getting steps in, intermittent fasting,and protein protein protein is where I’m at now. God is good!
Intermittent fasting was the key I'd been missing. No more crazy diets. It is so easy.
Love this space! So informative & educational! I been expose to & binge watching Allen Parr. I'm involved in ministry & both of yall keep this brother sharp. Thanks!
Even though you may not read this. I honestly have to say that watching this video. Not only gave me another spiritual level of respect for you, but it also was needed for move to the next phase that my father has for me, I only hope that. Months or years from now, I will have a video with your name in it reminding myself and others of how somebodys testimony/sermon makes a big reflection in your life. TGBTG 🙌🏽🙏🏽👏🏽❤️
Prayers for a successful knee surgery, Ruslan. Loved this collab video. Much respect.
I love these conversations! I was excited to watch this. I was raised and still am from a Wesleyan/Holiness and Arminian tradition, and the way I was raised, we do believe we can lose salvation, but based on us walking away, based on free will. NOT anyone plucking us out of God’s hand. I still consider these my brothers. We believe in inerrancy and PRIMACY of Scripture, though we consider tradition and experience as well. From my understanding, we don’t differ on as much as people think. Mainly secondary issues. God bless guys! Keep teaching us. To GOD be the GLORY!
Great video Ruslan! I appreciate the nuance in these conversations but also the commitment to truth from both of you. There's a good balance there. It's always great to hear Allen break things down and teach. I've had the privilege of meeting Allen Parr in person. Awesome brother and bible teacher!
I think Ruslan has the right idea. God saves some dramatically, others experience a gradual conversion, still others say they have always believed. God never seems to work the same in everyone’s life. However, there’s still a responsibility for us to accept and believe. Some people reject God openly, and he may very well say “ok” , I will leave you alone “. Seems like those who experience a more dramatic salvation, are also more tasked with a ministry of some sort, like you guys, so that you can speak from experience on God’s mercy and grace towards a more specific audience.
Used to go to Bethlehem Baptist from 2006 to 2014 at the end of Piper’s tenure, so I was there when we had a lot of Christian hip hop artists in church. That comment brought up a lot of memories.
My biggest gripe with Calvinism is that it assumes it’s definitions of certain words are accurate. For example, the term sovereignty has several acceptable definitions. Calvinist use the most strict definition of the term (God controlling everything in a deterministic manner) and just run with that. But God doesn’t have to control every single action etc. in order to be sovereign. An alternative definition of terms will allow you to interpret certain scriptures/passages in a different way.
I don't think they do, maybe the stereotypical parody calvinist the online community seems to love jabbing at and the loud extremes online but I had no idea God was sovereign from the way folk spoke about Him until Calvinist and it was always defined to me as having the final say so, He either causes or allows and all towards His own purpose and is the only one with that right or power. In that sense, He does "control" everything because even when we're doing our own thing, its still on a collision course with His greater plan and purpose, "you meant it for evil, God meant it for good" type of thing
I hope Allen looks into Provisionism and listens to Dr. Flowers positions on soteriology because they are the one that make the most sense to me
Love Dr. Flowers
I second this! It solves everything he struggles with about Calvinism
Great video informative discussion as always and as a seventh day Adventist I do believe we should adopt more of a reformed approach
The way I see reformation from the Catholic Church is the church being the parent/father and the reformer being the child that wants the change and rebels, but the child usually ends up understanding later in life what the father meant. I hope everyone comes back to tradition and the church that Jesus founded.
I listen to you somewhat regularly. My wife was listening in, and when I said you have a new song I want to listen to, she looked at the video and asked, "Is he a Jonas Borther?" You have to shave it now, bro. 🤣
Two of my favorite Christian RUclipsrs!
Looking forward to seeing and hearing Alan on the documentary of Hillsong.
We should keep in mind that we have free will and freedom of choice and keep in mind that God seen and knew Every decision EACH person would make from throughout our lives before the world was ever made.
What a great conversation. Love both of you guys. I also love Mike Winger and Leighton Flowers. You 4 guys are probably my favorites.
Thank you for you! Thank you for this video- super right on. Look forward to the year ahead with you🙏🌟🥰 sending prayers and a request for a huge blessing upon you, your family and your business that blesses us! My prayer is to bless God! Bless you🌱
Please Allan check out provisionism or talk to Leighton flowers I think that dialogue would be very beneficial. If I’m speaking for myself. I’m not reformed but I still love you man
Mad respect for this and you both
JI Packer writes one of my favorite theological essays in the introduction to “The death of death..” by John Owen.
As detailed there, the 5 points were RESPONSES to 5 other points by Arminius. Highly recommend
Thanks and God Bless. Romans 8:38
Great chat you had
I have family members that are SDA and I don’t understand them at all sometimes.
And there are different groups within the SDA movement. Some are traditional SDA, some are pants and jewelry wearers and some are in-between. And those differences are more pronounced between SDA in the USA vs SDA in other countries.
Rusland gave a lame excuse for how God died for the world. It's not talking about the benefits of Christianity it's about what Christ did. Calvinism has too many loopholes when the scriptures are clear. Christ died for the world
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That's easy people ain't predestined his purpose is God knows who will be saved but he doesn't choose who will be saved that's where free will comes in when you don't rightly divide that's where confusion comes in
Exactly, “why don’t God just do so and so” is what people say but they choose ignorance.
Amen and God bless.
My understanding or perspective has been that while Jesus did die for everyone. Being outside of time and knowing the future, He also knows who will accept His free gift of salvation or reject it.
The "gift of salvation" is for everyone, but not everyone accepts it. That's free will. "Pre-determined or pre-destination" seems to say that because He knows already who will and will not accept Him, that He doesn't offer the gift to them at all.
Which makes me wonder about how later on, when we are judged by God in the end times, it could be said that it won't be fair for them to not even have had a chance to make a free will choice at all.
Image a court session in which only the judge has proof, based off something only they know would or wouldn't have happened sometime in the future, it would raise a "What if you did offer it to me? Would I have taken it? But I didn't even have the chance".
It reminds me of "Minority report". In the movie, future crimes are stopped before they happen, meaning they don't have a chance to make a choice in free will, yet they are judged based off an event that didn't even occur and I have to just take their word for it.
God made Adam and Eve and gave them a choice, even though He knew they'd fail.
Minority Report is such a good movie
Very true. That's it in a nutshell.
love the health portion of this! Very helpful
Great discussion between these brothers.
Very encouraging you guys! I think the Lord might have answered 2 items I have been wondering about for awhile through this conversation! Thank you fellows
Be careful with answers presented by men. Even Satan can use the most wisest of men to distort Gods actual response. Never stop searching for an answer to your questions even if you think you received it. I’m just as guilty. That’s exactly how I would blind someone if I were the Devil. God bless bro. Take care
Giving this a listen again. After reading 1 Cor intro…
Appreciate you blessin us with this hour long content my guy much love!!!
Do you feel like the definitions between things like calvanist/provionist kinda prevent us from thinking and working out our own faith?
Listening to these guys talk about "ballooning" to 210lbs is borderline depressing for me as I sit here pushing 270lbs. Smh. I have to get it together
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I started at 263 and began lifting weights. Doing cardio. And eating high protein/low processed food diet. Lots of water. Few sodas.
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Good discussion and appreciate Parr's level thought. I have touched on Adventism and their Historicism. I don't think a historicism eschatology is a DQ from orthodoxy. I have personally moved from a futurist, to Preterist, to now a version of Historicism on end times. Speaking of your discussion on "recent" teachings, you are correct, the "rapture" and dispensational teaching came around in 1830. Good stuff guys.
This was awesome man, much love from down under :-)
“Not recommended” thanks for this insight
Being “fluid” translated, means “wavering mind”. Let’s not be wavering or unstable but adhere to biblical convictions despite how well an opposing argument is presented.
I'm working on starting my RUclips Ministry now and it's tough working 50 hrs a week and trying to bring quality videos and having kids and a wife to spend time with...😮💨
Show me how to do it…..I want to start a RUclips
I follow Allen Parr and I think his podcast is amazing. But I do believe we as Christians overly complicate Salvation ,to the point that, not only do we confuse the world, but also, to a large degree, ourselves. Based on the TULIP interpretation of or acronym of the basics of Calvinism ( and thank you for the easy to understand breakdown) the U and the L, however, sounds like another false doctrine…made to sound deep and theologically sound by using big words and misinterpretations of scripture. Almost Everyone knows John 3:16. It’s the most basic straight forward script about Salvation that even a baby Christian can witness with and it trumps both of those beliefs. But I also like 2 Peter 3:9 which States The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance. there’s no picking and choosing there. He’s not slack concerning his promise (some versions say slow) AS MEN count slackness. Meaning, he views salvation very differently than how Christians ( even University trained ones) view it. Why? Because he invented it. If he chooses anyone , it’s only those that he believes will impact more people,(who may not have otherwise heard of Jesus or salvation) to come to know Jesus. Which is the reason he brought together the disciples. but he’s not just choosing people likes he’s a bouncer to an exclusive club on Saturday night.😂 If that were the case, then Judas would be sitting in heaven right now. He knew what Judas was going to do, yet he CHOSE him anyway Why? Because even his betrayal set forth the greatest thing in our human history, our salvation through Jesus’ death on the cross. So even Judas had a positive impact on helping to bring people to Christ. Even though Judas didn’t intend that to be the case, God still used it. Judas , in a sense, deconstructed his faith, even tho he was literally chosen by God himself in the flesh. I find that fascinating and also quite tragic. Bottom line, Calvinism is just a banging stew that has chunks of hair in it. Throw it away. Why can’t we as Christians keep salvation simple, the way God intended. Salvation isn’t easy…but it is indeed….very simple. And this is no slight what so ever against the interview, I thought you both represent Christ well on your respective channels. I’m just another Christian talking to my brothers about what I believe we as Christ followers can do better. Love y’all both. 🙏🏽
Alan is one of the few Calvinists who is open to discuss theology in a very humble way , for a while a was a calvanist and just Allen Parr , I struggled with the limited atonement part.
Excellent discussion 👏🏾
Hey Ruslan, why is that Charles Spurgeon and others in that time never said anything about "speaking" or "praying in tongues"
A lot of different views came up a little over a hundred years back because that's around the time everyone was able to have a bible of their own in a language we could understand, before that only the preacher had a Bible and we had to trust they Actually read it and understood what they were reading. The Roman catholics tried to keep the Word suppressed from around two hundred years after the time of Jesus.
Diving into this now. Very Exciting
So many just talk God like a principle
Merry Christmas guys 👍
I pray for the people that listen to you and parr. May God protect them from you guys.
I agree with you sir on these two... "Not recommended" "false teachers."
For anyone who is interested look up the Flowers and James White debate on Calvinism. In my opinion reformed theology is the most consistent.
The Christian church needs a reformation, United under the true gospel of Christ not the gospels of men.
So is their a belief where God is sovereign and can choose how to save some vs others. God may give some the choice to believe in him vs others he may elect them to be saved?
The way that I reconciled Limited Atonement was that Christ's death was sufficient for the whole world but only effective for the elect. Which, I think, is pretty similar to Arminianist positions without the elect part (for obvious reasons). I.e, if everyone in the world were to come to saving faith in Jesus Christ then his death would be enough to cover them, but because God elects people to be saved then, by extension, they are the only ones to benefit from it.
Amen, that's the reasoning of God.
But then you have God turning away Jesus’ payment. The Son paid for it, but the Father refuses to reap all the benefits He paid for with His own suffering.
He should have suffered less then, or died quicker, or lived a shorter life away from the Father to be in a cursed world…only pay for exactly what He knew He needed.
@@davidpo5517 1) it isn't for us to tell God how he should spend anything because everything belongs to him
2) we shouldn't tell God how yo spend things because he is right about everything
3) he already did it, os wasting time trying to figure out how he should have spent it, is like trying to figure put the price of ham after you've already spent the money on turkey you can't take back to the store. It's ungrateful, which us the whole problem presented to people who don't believe in limited atonement. The whole problem is that the people it's for don't recieve it, not that God hasn't given enough for everyone. The Son may not have come to condemn the world, but the Word condemns the world by itself, because the world denies God and his grand gesture of love. Specifically, because they don't think it's genuine and because they think there is something better. Such is the fate of those who don't believe.
Park far, don’t park close to the entrance at church at the grocery store, bank, mall park far!
I can see Allen Parr being an excellent Bible teacher in a more traditional educational setting. As powerful a tool as RUclips is, it still falls short of a classroom where you can interact with the instructor and your fellow students. Maybe online classes are the next direction for Christian RUclipsrs.
Allen Parr said “whosoever will, let him come” I have heard that quoted over the years and I looked and researched and I have not found it anywhere. I’ve seen similar scriptures but not those exact words. Let me know where it is and if not, why don’t you and others just say that you’re paraphrasing as not to confused your viewers, esp babes in Christ.
What do you see as the foundational Truths all Christians should align under?
Jesus was sinless all his days, He died for our sins, he was buried and stayed in the grave three days, and he rose again the third day. By this we have received grace to walk righteously, and mercy for our past and future, maybe, sins. All the Apostles, sans Judas, have the authority and calling of God to speak and teach and preach the things understood by the gospel of grace.
Very good interview
But give to your local church FIRST. Tithe to that community, then bless your favorite online teachers and preachers. And all Christians need real relationships in their church to live out the "one another" Scriptures. Alan Parr and Ruslan are not going to walk with you in your marriage, parenting, sharing your faith, hospitality, etc. Your local pastor needs your love and friendship and counsel and help. Pastors get their hands dirty, laboring for their local flock. They hold the hands of those who are suffering or dying. I appreciate teachers so much (my husband and son teach), but they don't have to oversee a whole flock, nor do they want to.
These men are sinners too they're very quick to point everybody else out but they're also sinners we must search out the word of God for ourselves you can't trust anyone when it comes to preaching a word of God it's almost impossible
Guys be careful with over complicating scripture. If Jesus says believe then believe and if we are commanded to believe that means that it’s open to absolutely everybody. How did God interact with believers before Jesus sent the Holy Spirit? Scripture never says God compelled their belief, it simply says they believed, example is Abraham, he believed and it was counted to him as righteousness. If it was God forcing him then why would He even test him by telling him to sacrifice his son. It was Abraham’s choice and belief to do as God asked. These people did not have the benefit of 66 books of the Bible..they were living and interacting in real-time. But as with all things there is this tendency to Monday morning quarterback things and overthink it and make it more complicated than it needs to be. This is how Pharisees went off course. Now it’s whole books written about how to interpret what was already written as if we need something more. Salvation is truly open to everybody and everybody has the capacity to believe…period. Otherwise it cannot be counted against them. Now does God intervene with some? Yes but even with that said everyone has a chance to believe.
My issue with Alan is that I asked him once if he was a Calvinist and he said no. Later he said he was…..Will be great to get some clarification!
People change their minds 🤷🏽♂️
Brilliant!!
If Atonement isn't limited, what happens to the doctrine of hell
I think there is a specific number of people that are predestined, but not specific individuals other than those called upon to bring about the Messiah and the scriptures.
Great video
Both anointed preachers of the Lord
great discussion, such a shame to see folks still believing Calvinism, but great we can all have a friendly discussion
All, Every, World. Context and calvanism NEVER GO TOGETHER. Calvanism is PHILOSOPHY not biblical.
As long as we Truly Love the Lord, know that we are Not all knowing and as long as we have a Strong desire to not only to seek out and draw closer to truth but to draw closer to the Lord Jesus Christ! Then perhaps we can draw closer as brothers and sisters in the Lord our God.
You don’t need the equipment and lights to preach the word of GOD… we just need the truth. SMH!
Kind of do need the equipment for this medium though. Even mega phones cost money to use on a street corner
@ShinyKamon if you raise your voice a bit, no need for a megaphone.
You don’t need any of it but why wouldn’t you use it?
“TULIP” is an idea created by a man. The Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit. How about we stick to what the Bible says vs creating what we want it to say.
The Bible is very clear that Jesus Christ died for the WHOLE world. The Bible also says many are called but few are chosen. It’s clear that God gives us the choice to pick him.
People can lose the Holy Spirit because it’s a choice to obey God. That’s why these exists…
Hebrews 3:12
“Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.”
1 Timothy 4:1
“But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,”
Hebrew 6:4-6
“For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.”
The thumbnail lol
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How does "total depravity " account for the conscience. Romans 2:5
Biblically, we are not suppose to judge someone’s salvation, but we are to call out false teachers.
Let the law judge them. If you point out they are breaking Gods law you are not judging them… God is. 😊
Ephesians 5:11
I think Mike Winger gives excellent teaching as to why Calvinism is false. I truly feel Calvinism is false and causes confusion. Also, it is not humble to believe God chooses some and not others.
Bro I got some stuff about SDA’s, almost got swallowed into that. Yikes 😳
TIMESTAMPS!!!!!! HEHE all love
Where do you draw the line on church history. Why 150 yrs? I say this because if you were alive 150 yrs after Luther , would you have discounted Martin Luther ? The reformation is not completely over.
Ayo what is in the thumbnail 😂😭
Prayer lines beware of some.
Dang Ruslan, you had him on the show but you weren’t about to share your Yerba mate!….smh
How do you hold to 4 points of Tulip and not call yourself a Calvinist @allenparr 🤔?
god bless
The problem with smart 🤓 people they always try to figure out God but they can't because he has hidden it from big heads 😆, Matthew 11:25... faith is the chosen weapon of battle. All these isms.. create more schisms.. so they can kick rocks..
Jesus is enough.. it's about in Whom you believe .. not necessarily your knowledge or what you believe.. Let the Holy Spirit do his job 😅 John 16:13.
Bro let’s talk one day ❤
"Whosoever will, may come and drink of the water of life, freely": In Revelation 22, in the Bible.
"It is not the will of the Father that one of these little ones perish:" Jesus, in the Bible.
"God did, in eternity past, predestine everything that would come to pass, including who would be saved, and who would be damned": Augustine and Calvin, NOT the Bible.
"Sola scriptura"?
Heiser has debunked Calvinism many times. KD look into the Unseen Relm. 👊✌️
Like if you agree-
God is One God existing in 3 persons( Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The Son/Creator Jesus Christ came in the flesh, died on the cross, was buried, and rose again the 3rd day according to scripture. When His blood was shed on the cross, it paid for every sin I have committed, am committing, and will ever commit. Paid in full, forever. The moment a person places their trust/faith( of their own free will) in His finished work alone apart from any works of their own, they are saved,sealed,and secure at that very moment they change their mind from unbelief to belief( repentance= a change of mind twords God)..Born again, His child for eternity. Salvation can never be lost, and the main true evidence of salvation is the fruit of a person's lips( their words) i.e their profession of faith/ what they believe about Jesus and His finished work. Good works are good to do, absolutely, but that is discipleship/Christian growth and maturity in your walk as a Christian AFTER you are saved, and completely separate from salvation.
🤣🤣🤣🤣Looks like an MMA fighter
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Turn off the camera and go witness to the lost
Umm that’s what they are doing.
People are mocking your comment but basically that is the problem… The Calvinist ultimately will not focus on evangelism because they believe that is in Gods hands. Yes they will occasionally evangelize but the preaching of the gospel loses its urgency when it is up to God and not man’s role. So your comment is point on… An unbeliever would not get the gist of the conversation and would have to wait for the gospel to be preached while they work out their thoughts on Predestination and Sovereignty of God. The Unbeliever does not care about Calvinism but whether the scriptures are true
I wonder how people read 1tim4:10? The bible says all people will be saved.
Scripture also states some are made for the day of destruction........Proverbs 16:4.
@@Me-myself-not-I so which one is right? Also it doesnt say day of destruction. It says for the day of evil.
@Jern Delpeche if you look up the strongs concordance 'Destruction' is the correct insert. So I stand by what I said. What does scripture say will happen to those "evil" people? They will be destroyed will they not? So the wicked by default if are made for the day of evil as you want to go with would be destroyed right?
@@Me-myself-not-I would you care to show me the hebrew word, because till thusfar all I see is the word evil. But that is beside the point. I asked you a question. Which one of the verses is correct, according to you? Because it would seem it contradicts doesnt it?
My answer is no they wont be destroyed, atleast not in the way you believe.
@@Me-myself-not-Iyours is simple, God is the creator. He made ALL things remember satan was never always evil, did God make Satan evil? No.. but he made Satan, he was a beautiful angel at first… it’s just saying how God made all things.. even the things that so happened to turn wicked.. remember that’s the same way with people Adam and Eve were made wonderful and.. well we know what happened
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You are working against the kingdom when your entire RUclips channel is based on criticizing other Christians. The world looks at this criticism and says see all Christians are critical. They are even critical of one another. Luke 9:49-50 49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him,Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
Sad to say….but as an Adventist you’re not the TRUTH even so you present your theology as such! Strange that truth is stranger than your fictional theology !!!