Wash DC AA3542 Midair- Did DEI Cause Crash?? & other Questions
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Dan reports on most recent updates in the Midair Crash of AA 5342 and a Blackhawk Helicopter at Washington Reagan Airport and also addresses the most common questions about the tragedy. He also talks to veteran Joe Casey, a former Blackhawk pilot about some of the pressing questions.
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What ja the guy talking about?
Where do you get such geniuses?
The aircraft was announced and described at 2 o’clock so exactly there where the right seat senior pilot was talking to the atc, the jet was announced 4 nautical miles away at 1200 feet over the Wilson bridge.
So heading 180. And the helo had briefly heading 120 over the Jefferson memorial at 300 feet.
There was no obstacles at 300 feet towards the Wilson bridge at 1200 feet.
There was no city lights in the black sky.
And there was no any other aircraft around.
Why is the guy here talking about looking to the left???
The only aircraft there, to identify over the Wilson bridge was on 2 o’clock, means comfortably right for the guy in the right seat talking to the atc.
And seconds later the helo turned south over the east potomac park golf course, heading 180, exactly opposite to the crj heading north with its high-beams direcly on 12 o’clock so that both helo pilots at 200 feet saw the crj exactly in front do them at 900 feet a e later at 500 feet on 11 o’clock.
And they confirmed twice after the initial decription, and it was the same ‘senior’ guy in the right seat.
What is the guy here talking about??? They allegedly looked for an aircraft taxiing after the atc told them to watch an aircraft at 1200 feet over a specific bridge over the river??? Wtf is he talking about???
The female allegedly was adjusting radios instead looking during the 3rd frustrated warning of the atc about still the same crj going for the runway 33 telling them to pass behind it??? At the time they were just about to cross the approach path to the runway 33???
Is it possible to embarrass everyone more???
Oh, you still continue even more bogus???
You still want to find the mystery aircraft left behind the pilot by a 3rd guy because two pilots and aby exact description of the position of the aircraft isn’t enough???
Guys, the aircraft was told to be precisely on 2 o’clock, search for a huge bridge over the river and look 1000 feet up, there is the only one ball of light, this is the one.
Than after YOU turned south, YOU just need to watch you 12 o’clock. There is the only one ball of light, it goes warmer.
The ball of light will go for
runway 33, so it will go slowly slightly ot the left on 11 o’clock and then it will turn in front of you to the west.
DO YOU SEE IT.
THE ONLY BALL OF LIGHT IN THE SKY IN FRONT OF YOU.
IT WILL TURN WEST SOON.
And you still think they were adjusting radios and watched taxiing aircraft. From the left seat. Oh, I know, the aircraft manager wasn’t there.
@@PlattSchockiert 😲 can you summarize the essay you wrote, please?
@@melistasy I’m saying it politely and seriously: what exactly should I summarize? It is difficult because they are talking so much bogus.
It is not possible for a sober and mentally sound person not to see the only aircraft in the dark sky with its high beams directed towards you, especially if the air traffic control tell you precisely where the only close ball of light exactly is, and what it will be doing next, when and where and how.
And the aircraft is on your 2 o’clock and you are in the right seat, and a few seconds later the aircraft is in front of you for 30 seconds on your 12 o’clock with its high beams going very slowly on your 11 o’clock.
And you was told it will turn in front of you.
Something terrible happened to the pilots, they must have been hypnotized, since you just cannot be that incompetent.
isnt this your aviation channel?
@@PlattSchockiert 2 o'clock position on right side- that would be referring to a plane taking off then. Aircraft involved in collision was flying in from 11 o'clock to 9 o'clock position based on travel of Pat25 flight plan, ATC asked them to land runway 33 instead of runway 1. Though ATC should have made the Pat25 aware of the cross traffic and general direction. Many are saying, the pat25 got visual separation from the wrong plane. The CRJ over land and at a low altitude "could" be lost in the light halos that would have been seen through night vision.
Former U.S. Navy jet aircraft carrier pilot here:
Sorry but folks out there-he did not answer the question about the night vision goggles. He answered the question he wanted ask.
This was a seasoned instructor pilot-they KNEW…the INSTRUCTOR PILOT INSTINCTS SHOULD HAVE KICKED IN THAT there was a VERY TIGHT FLIGHT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC situation occurring. If this was a training exercise…the INSTRUCTOR PILOT SHOULD HAVE SAID…”let’s knock off this goggle part off training until we pass the airport!”
I was a Navy air combat instructor…when ATC would give a heads up that civilian traffic was seen transiting through the Warning Area…I would call…KNOCK IT OFF-KNOCK IT OFF. And, this was during daylight hours.
This former pilot is talking about NVG’s used for landing proficiency, etc. when this helo was far from landing back at base. This instructor choose to keep NVG on (if this is the case-even worse if they did not have them on) passing this close to and across the [SHORT FINAL] path of a LANDING COMMERCIAL AIRLINER! THESE ARE THE FACTS AND NO BLACK BOX NEEDED FOR THIS ‘ONE LINER REALITY.’
I disagree how he wanted to [defend] the system when answering the question about her 450 total hours. He said 150 was training command hours. That means 300 were fleet hours-but over how many years? Yes, our U.S. military flight schools across the branches are intense and top notch…BUT when you hit the fleet you are a Nugget rookie until that first six month cruise is accomplished.
Probably should have found an old Vietnam War helicopter pilot to interview.
So, no I’m not going to be nice with my comments-need not be afraid to call the kettle black!
As a civilian private pilot of 26 yrs (no military background). This was exactly what popped into my head when I heard him say that.
_"This former pilot is talking about NVG’s used for landing proficiency, etc. when this helo was far from landing back at base. This instructor choose to keep NVG on (if this is the case-even worse if they did not have them on) passing this close to and across the [SHORT FINAL] path of a LANDING COMMERCIAL AIRLINER! THESE ARE THE FACTS AND NO BLACK BOX NEEDED FOR THIS ‘ONE LINER REALITY.’"_
And she turned off TCAS
Thanks, I just read your post so I didn’t have to waste 17 minutes watching
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😂😂 I never sugar coated things when I was in the military.
WHY NOT SAVE TIME AND TYPE EVERYTHING IN CAPITALS?
I respect your guest's expertise and opinions. With that said, it doesn't change the fact that the Blackhawk was at least 100' high on a route where not exceeding its upper limit is imperative. It also doesn't change the fact that they asked for "visual separation" when, by virtue of the accident, it was proven that they couldn't maintain it. I'm doubting the copter crew even realized that the CRJ was circling to 33 and was looking at the traffic straight down the river on the visual for 1...another deadly mistake, if that turns out to be the case. Unfortunately, that is something that we may never know.
I agree. This girl flew the helicopter at an altitude grossly outside the bounds. She flew directly into the jet.
He is running cover because he is a liberal and won't agree with common sense
@@MissDuke2012 Another big mistake was committed by the DCA local controller. He called out the CRJ traffic to the helicopter, but never called out the helicopter to the PSA crew. That was HUGE. Both A/C could hear tower, but couldn't hear each other's transmissions. Had that been done (giving PSA a traffic advisory), I truly believe that this accident would've been averted. There's no way to know for sure however, and that's something else we'll likely never know.
One thing we don't know is what the more experienced pilot who was evaluating Rebecca actually said to her. Perhaps he was directing her to fly to certain altitudes or make certain manuevers as part of her evaluation/test? It is his voice that we hear talking to the ATC and asking for visual sep, not hers. He was the one on the left side of the helicopter and the only one in position to be able to see the CRJ. I am not blaming him or anyone. I am just saying it is best to withhold judgment, as was said in this video, until we have all the facts on that helicopter training run.
@@paulw4310, if I recall correctly from what the NTSB provided as to the CVR transcript, it indicates that the PSA crew heard about the helicopter. I thought it was strange to hear that on the CVR of the CRJ, as it has been repeatedly stressed all over that the two machines were on different frequencies, but the NTSB has read the CVR transcript from the CRJ as follows:
'At 8:47:29, the crew received a 500-foot automated call out. At 8:47:39 a radio transmission from the tower was audible asking PAT-25 if the CRJ was in sight. One second later, the crew received an automated traffic advisory stating "Traffic traffic." At 8:47:42. A radio transmission from the tower was audible, directing PAT-25 to pass behind the CRJ. At 8:47:58 the crew had a verbal reaction and FDR data showed the airplane beginning to increase its pitch. Sounds of impact were audible about one second later followed by the end of the recording'.
Hi Dan, I believe this accident comes down to this: Military helo operations(in this case) being allowed to fly “missions”, at night, under VFR rules, requiring lots of attention in the cockpit by the pilots(either plotting waypoints; inputting information into equipment; etc…); Performing this mission with an understaffed helo crew(i.e. should’ve been a 2nd crew chief); Flying a mission REQUIRING the use of NVG’s(restricting a pilot’s vision and depth perception); Flying this mission in close proximity to runways, during a period of PEAK arrival/departure traffic in a brightly lit environment, that would’ve further hampered the ability of pilots to see & avoid, while operating with NVG’s…and ALL UNDER THE GUISE OF FLYING VFR. It’s no wonder the helo flew into the side of an airliner, without even an ounce of evasive maneuver by the helo crew, right before the collision. They never saw a damn thing. Such a shame someone didn’t raise their hand sooner in the planning stages, to point out all the flaws of flying these missions, given all the variables I just listed.
Prayers to the fallen and their family members.
Respectfully, Retired DOD Air Traffic Controller with 33 years experience.
Five years Blackhawk crew chief. We probably wouldn’t have seen CRJ coming since we didn’t hear most civilian aircraft on the VHF radio in the Blackhawk and we usually aren’t looking out at the 10 or 11 o’clock position. Do you stick your head out the window at 130 mph? We didn’t.
@USA-Greedymen. Maybe had the pilot paid more attention to the initial traffic call by ATC, picking up on the fact that the CRJ was landing RY33(instead of, apparently, being in a hurry to call traffic in sight and asking to maintain visual separation, for expediency purposes of accomplishing their mission), they may have been searching the arrival corridor of RY33 a bit better. I’m not being biased…I’m simply calling it, as I see it.
Thank you for your service, sir.
Hadn't thought of there only being 1 crew chief there. One more thing that went wrong. But the chances that she was not qualified are just higher than the possibility of all these mistakes. And if she started training in 2019 and then had a 'check' - annually? She didn't have the expertise required. No matter what this guy said about her being wonderfully qualified. Tally up the hours for full-time work in any other profession - and 450 hours is only about 25% of ONE year.
@@lillieallgaier3993 Yes, 2 crew chiefs is what this training normally calls for. One sits on the right side of the aircraft, and one sits on the left. They aid the pilots in helping to see & avoid traffic, among other things. I wouldn’t focus, so much, on the training pilot’s hours(or lack, thereof). That’s why there’s an instructor on board. Flying school CFI’s regularly go up with pilots in training, who have a lot less hours of training than this military pilot, with successful results, every day.
@@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity
So you dont see anything at on 2 or 11 o’clock
Are you all Stevie wander or just horses
You fly combat?
you will lose every war
You really have no shame?
You need to put your head out of the fuselage to look at 11 o’clock??
Do not ridicule the catastrophe and the victims
"There's a lot of ways they could have not seen it". Bollocks. They were almost head on with a fully illuminated airliner just yards from an airport runway. What kind of "combat pilot" could not see that?
She saw it, she flew right into it. Whoever wiped her social media should be arrested. I want to know her psych med prescriptions.
But note, still no info on this pilot being released by anyone.
Another Black Hawk had two near misses the previous evening. No word on whether their plumbing was inside or outside.
@@radfem2010 Practice runs, the 3rd time is a charm.
@@rickworkman4608 That's how it looks to me. She was outside both position and altitude. The co pilot of the heli had requested visual clearance. The chances of two aircraft being in the same spot at the same time are negligible.
TCAS system turned off too. Deliberately..
Let's hear the last 2 minutes of the UH60 cockpit recording and we can make a decision based on facts.
But will it (or what the public hears) be "edited"?
@@greeneyes6311 oh please, our government would NEVER hide the truth from us... I mean Mulder was just another nutcase. Lmao
Facts are 67 lives lost and definitely NOT caused by the CRJ crew.
They don't want us to hear that. They obviously didn't want us to see the close up and shocking video that CNN released, either.
@@greeneyes6311 In last few seconds, the helicopter pilot turned off the tracking system, turned right, and climbed to the turning up and away airliner. Of course, to hit it. Looks like another attack, like the New Orleans New Years 2025 Pick up truck attack that killed 15/ hurt 55 americans. This looks dam intentional to knock down an airliner and blame Trump that just got to the job. But these last 2 crashes are PREVIOUSLY DEI Certificated Pilots. An LBGT crashing a heli into airliner, looks on purpose. And the Mexican Airplane crash in Philly. The new Mexican copilot was flying it. Many errors done by him too. Liberal FAA allowed these guys to fly. Liberals are going to let sick with many diseases fly too unless Trump stops that.
How is it top of the line training if you're instructed to stay below 200 feet, but you are at 300 feet.
Final report moron there is a million possible reason other than yours so stfu and wait for the final report!
The near misses the previous day had a different Black Hawk at 300,400 feet. Ask them.
1- Vax mandates (20% pilots left, mostly the best, this is when I left) 2- DEI quotas, forced FAA to refuse 3000 tower controllers who had aced their tests (had 100% on final exam). DEI quotas DESTROYED pilot instruction and tests for women's and minorities, Quotas FORCES instructors to lower the criteria's, and ignore fails. LA, Washington, and NW are particularly zealous applying DEI. And it's VERY WELL KNOW inside the forces, so why lying about stuff 90% pilots and crews know??? Looks like a paid asset to defend a bad system. Looks like a duck, quack like a duck, probably a duck. PLUS Lack of staff in pilots and tower controls are. I AM ANGRY this channel received such a compromised individual.
@@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2 Wrong dude!
"Vax mandates (20% pilots left, mostly the best)"
There is no evidence that 20% of pilots left due to vaccine mandates. Airlines in the U.S. did impose vaccine requirements, but there were no reports of mass resignations at that scale. The FAA did not report a significant pilot shortage directly caused by mandates. If anything, pilot shortages have been linked to retirements and training bottlenecks, not mass resignations due to vaccine rules.
"FAA refused 3,000 tower controllers who aced their tests due to DEI quotas"
This claim likely refers to a controversy from several years ago when the FAA changed its hiring process to increase diversity among air traffic controllers. However, the number "3,000" being rejected due to DEI is not substantiated. The FAA added a “biographical questionnaire” to its hiring process in 2014, but this did not mean all high-scoring candidates were rejected. There has been criticism of the process, but no verified proof that 3,000 qualified controllers were denied purely due to DEI.
"DEI quotas destroyed pilot instruction and tests for women and minorities"
There is no credible evidence that DEI policies have led to lower standards for pilots. The FAA and airlines maintain strict safety and training requirements. While DEI initiatives aim to increase diversity, they do not replace competency-based training or licensing requirements.
"Quotas force instructors to lower criteria and ignore fails"
No verifiable proof exists that pilot training standards have been officially lowered due to DEI policies. The FAA has stringent regulations, and airline safety is a top priority. Any instructor ignoring failures would be in violation of FAA rules.
"LA, Washington, and NW are particularly zealous applying DEI"
There may be differences in how DEI policies are implemented across different regions, but no direct evidence suggests that specific states apply DEI policies more aggressively in a way that compromises safety.
"Lack of staff in pilots and tower controls"
This part is true but unrelated to DEI. The U.S. has faced pilot and air traffic controller shortages, mainly due to retirements, training delays, and the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic.
How is it you're still smoking crack
“I’d wear those Night Vision Goggles too….when I’m landing” (Guest)
….but they WEREN’T landing, sir!!!
He is obviously Bias.
@@geraldstanley5891 he was biased. Obviously they weren’t landing was a ridiculous statement. Trying to gaslight us.
White washing the heli pilot. Total BS. She and only she killed those people.
Dan ... it's been well established very early on that PAT-25 busted altitude, when the collision occurred. But what's more important is the 45 seconds before the collision. That data showed the BH to be at 200 ft, up until 15 seconds before impact. The BH ASCENDED to collide with the CRJ. Simply put, no one was guarding the altimeter. Under the circumstance it is an egregious, unforgivable error, in stupidly crowded, poorly routed commercial airspace.
I took maybe 15 hours of flight training (ie almost nothing) and believe me, after Lesson 1 you know about the altimeter. 'Straight & Level' is the second thing to be taught, after the Pre-Flight Checks. Therefore I don't speak as any expert, except to say it is UNFEASIBLE that professional pilots in an urban area are not fully aware of their height.
That first video of the collision - really LOOKS like the helicopter is dropping in order to hit the plane. Could be perspective. But it would be weird if it was going 'up.' Probably just level and was at the wrong altitude for awhile. Whatever ground control had as the elevation is pretty irrelevant - since the impact happened at 325 based on the plane's measurement, which is accurate.
Dang - I just heard she was a member of the LGBQT population. Ok - I'd already concluded she'd gotten her position at least partly because she was female. But now I hear that she was LGBQT. Probably how she got her AIDE position with Biden since she never had any combat experience - at all. Her biggest reward was for 'Humanitarian efforts' ... Sorry, you just don't GET MEDALS for that and you certainly should not be promoted to being in the WH, as an Army 'soldier,' without ANY combat experience.
My opinion of the ARMY has pretty much gone out the window here .. All those medals - now I wonder how many actually mean anything at all. If they aren't combat medals or at least directly relating to combat - what is the point? Getting a 'Ribbon' just for completing basic training and touting that like it means something ... Hey, why don't I have a fireplace mantel for all my advanced degrees and certificates? Handing out tons of REAL medals - fine; expanding how to earn them so they no longer mean anything - not fine. And stupid.
Actually, I would say that the 'adjustment' up to 300 feet looks a lot like a 'correction' that would be executed by a guided missile that has acquired its target.
@@undercoveragent9889 Fits with several comments that this appears deliberate.
@@Ken_oh545 Exactly ... not a pilot here, but flight at it's essence, is altitude, airspeed, angle of attack. All three are crucial and reciprocal, and must be monitored by humans on some level at every phase of flight.
Thanks - from a former CRJ pilot.
My opinion:
Chopper pilots, tower, the FAA, and city light pollution all contributed to the "Swiss Cheese holes" lining up in the error chain.
RIP.
Due to human reaction time facts, workload, & speed,
pilots should never have to look for traffic when we're below 1000 feet at a towered airport.
That's on tower/ATC, and other aircraft too
-- to comply with tower/ATC instructions, and with regs.
Especially while on an instrument approach,
and in this case, complicated by a circle-to-land, in city lights.
All pilots that night accepting a circle-to-land?
-- Were experiencing amongst the highest workloads one can experience,
short of an emergency.
At a minimum they were watching runway alignment outside,
.....while monitoring speed, height, descent rate, and power in the cockpit
......while traveling about 230 feet per second/155MPH/135knts
The chopper was likely on Route 1, then 4.
200 max height published.
The chopper killed everyone on the CRJ at 300+ feet.
RIP.
A published 200 AGL route belongs nowhere near short final.
From FAF/FAP to touchdown, I want at least a 500 foot clearance between me, and any aircraft transitioning.
I'm shocked that route wasn't NOTAM'd/temp closed due to circle-to-land approaches on 33.
That's on the FAA for keeping the route open.
Tower gave commands to look for traffic, yet no direction.
"Look for CRJ", rather than "Look for CRJ at your 11 O'clock"
Better yet, ATC would have instructed the chopper to -
"Look for CRJ traffic. 11O'clock descending through 800 feet,
circle-to-land 33".
Thanks!!
Why would helicopters be allowed to cross commercial runways at all? All those poor souls lost. RIP to all
Why wasn't the CRJ issued a warning of VFR helo traffic coming down the river at 200'.
@@robertlaverdure2397
because there was never helo traffic allowed to cross
it should have visually separated by hundreds feet behind the jet.
I dont see any of that as Swiss cheese. The system is a failure
Bottom line is, if the helo stayed at 200ft, the crash doesn't happen, even if they saw the wrong plane. However it would have been a near miss which is also not acceptable. There were multiple near misses so the system itself is the problem. All helos should be held at the point when airliner approaching landing. Period.
Some of Joe Casey’s comments leave more questions than answers.
Joe said: “military training for Helicopter pilots is the best training in the world”.
Joe also said “A 500 hour Blackhawk pilot is a skilled aviator. With that much time, the aviator has been with their unit for at least 3 years”.
It has also widely been reported that the Blackhawk chief had over 1000 flight hours in the Blackhawk. Based upon Joe’s comments this would make the Chief highly skilled in the operations of the Blackhawk.
Joe also made comments regarding line of sight visibility inside the Blackhawk.
Skilled aviators would have been keenly aware of their limitations for seeing and avoiding aircraft on approach. Skilled aviators would have also been keenly aware of their operating environment. IE: they would have known the approach path of aircraft performing the approach on runway 01 circle to land on runway 33. Yet these highly trained and skilled aviators found themselves a half mile off course, and 150 feet high on an altitude restriction with literally zero room for error?
Ok…. Ok… they were highly skilled, but let’s chalk it up to the Swiss cheese model. What doesn’t jive about these circumstances is the confidence in which the Blackhawk crew confidently asks “request visual separation” not once, but twice. They say it as if: #1 the Blackhawk crew confidently knows exactly where they are in relation to the CRJ. They say it as if they confidently have the CRJ in sight. The tonality from the Blackhawk crew is one of confidence??? Make it make sense!!!
Safe pilots know the limitations of their aircraft (avionics, visual limitations of aircraft). Safe pilots know their environment, night flight plus where aircraft at Regan national will likely be.
It’s been reported that the Blackhawk crew was flying with ADSB turned off. Question? Does this also mean the transponder was off? Or are they separated in military aircraft? It was a training flight. Was it necessary or even wise given the environment at the time of the accident to have it off?
My goal is not to sound conspiratorial. I’m simply asking questions.
Because, it doesn’t pass the smell test that an extremely competent crew could have made that many errors in judgement in the given scenario. I just can’t believe it. There is something more to this story.
I was half getting ready for Buck Turgidson there to swoop down low, and "if he's really really good" etc. etc.
I believe there is. 1) The copying of video and passing it to CNN. My question is "Was this the video where a controller gave the directive to the helicopter to land immediately?"
Secondly, let's assume the pilot had no idea the altitude at which she was flying. The likelihood that neither of the other crew members would not know their altitude has to be astronomically low.
The President made a comment, very shortly after the crash, the helicopter was flying too high. The immediacy of that information had to be in the minds of the crew as it must have been a fundamental requirement to know your altitude, knowing just how tight and congested the space is around Reagan National.
@ yes it is a bit strange that a highly skilled crew didn’t know exactly where they were, or how high they were, yet sounded supremely confident they could see and avoid the CRJ at night with the Blackhawks visibility constraints.
Joe gave me more questions than answers. DEI is a huge problem. I don’t think it “caused” this accident. But it’s evil and racist.
@@artifice6144 I think most normal people logically understand that for jobs where the consequence of failure means people will die, the absolute most important requirement is skill and knowledge. A persons ethnicity, race or gender should have zero influence on hiring.
The fact that none of the three helicopter pilots noticed their altitude deviation raises serious questions about competence and quality of training.
I noticed the altitude readout from the hello on 17:44 what I assume either the tower or maybe Vas aviation. That the altitude jumps from 200 to 300 between pings. Did they climb that fast?
What is the resolution of altitude on ads-b. Less than 50 it stays low, over 50 it rounds up to the next 100.
We don't even know all what happened yet, so.
She was the Captain. The tracking system was turned off. Sorry. This is DEI.
@@at1212bWhat does that even mean? Your conclusion is that she didn’t engage the ADS BECAUSE she is a woman?
We don't even know that there was actually a crew aboard PAT25 at all.
A CRJ on short final ALWAYS has priority!! Of course it should NOT be notified about another aircraft, because said aircraft HAS to stay AWAY!
as a retired tower controller if you give traffic to one, you give to both,
especially when operating on two different freqs.
Only partially true. The whole purpose of the ADS-B system is security both for the tower and all the aircraft in the controlled airspace. Security always works two ways.
the crj is two. they should have mentioned two planes one taking off and one landing. The pilot said they had visual of the crj bcoz they thought it is just one plane. They saw the first plane that took off and it is also crj. The second plane that came is also crj at their left and going to land at 33. the ground did not mention 2planes are coming near them. that is why they did not tried to look for the second one.
@@meilih2030why crj? Who can identify in the night with lights on? Looks inane to me.
Above 200' Max Height, off course and flying faster than they needed to be. End of story. Call it what you want but don't blame other factors for pilot error. You are either flying the aircraft or the aircraft is flying you. Both helicopter pilots are in error. As soon as the 200' max height was broken it should have been a failed training flight and control of the aircraft should have been taken from her. Rules are rules for a reason.
That's how it goes when you fail a check ride. Examiner asks you to turn around and fly back to base you took off from.
But she was a decorated lesbian Captain! 3 presidential medals from Sleepy Joe no less..
Maybe they thought they were flying at 200 feet
@fromtheflightdeck252 Always some hyper-partisan hack in social media conversations saying irrelevant partisan crap in an attempt to slander good people in a tragedy to score political points for others who don't care about you. You are what's wrong with the country and you can't even see it. FY.
1- Vax mandates (20% pilots left, mostly the best, this is when I left) 2- DEI quotas, forced FAA to refuse 3000 tower controllers who had aced their tests (had 100% on final exam). I AM ANGRY this channel received such a compromised individual. JOE CASEY LIES is teeth off when he said "Army helicopter training is the best in the world", DEI quotas DESTROYED pilot instruction and tests for women's and minorities, Quotas FORCES instructors to lower the criteria's, and ignore fails. LA, Washington, and NW are particularly zealous applying DEI. And it's VERY WELL KNOW inside the forces, so why lying about stuff 90% pilots and crews know??? Looks like a paid asset to defend a bad system. Looks like a duck, quack like a duck, probably a duck. PLUS Lack of staff in pilots and tower controls are
What ja the guy talking about?
Where do you get such geniuses?
The aircraft was announced and described at 2 o’clock so exactly there where the right seat senior pilot was talking to the atc, the jet was announced 4 nautical miles away at 1200 feet over the Wilson bridge.
So heading 180. And the helo had briefly heading 120 over the Jefferson memorial at 300 feet.
There was no obstacles at 300 feet towards the Wilson bridge at 1200 feet.
There was no city lights in the black sky.
And there was no any other aircraft around.
Why is the guy here talking about looking to the left???
The only aircraft there, to identify over the Wilson bridge was on 2 o’clock, means comfortably right for the guy in the right seat talking to the atc.
And seconds later the helo turned south over the east potomac park golf course, heading 180, exactly opposite to the crj heading north with its high-beams direcly on 12 o’clock so that both helo pilots at 200 feet saw the crj exactly in front do them at 900 feet a e later at 500 feet on 11 o’clock.
And they confirmed twice after the initial decription, and it was the same ‘senior’ guy in the right seat.
What is the guy here talking about??? They allegedly looked for an aircraft taxiing after the atc told them to watch an aircraft at 1200 feet over a specific bridge over the river??? Wtf is he talking about???
The female allegedly was adjusting radios instead looking during the 3rd frustrated warning of the atc about still the same crj going for the runway 33 telling them to pass behind it??? At the time they were just about to cross the approach path to the runway 33???
Is it possible to embarrass everyone more???
Oh, you still continue even more bogus???
You still want to find the mystery aircraft left behind the pilot by a 3rd guy because two pilots and aby exact description of the position of the aircraft isn’t enough???
Guys, the aircraft was told to be precisely on 2 o’clock, search for a huge bridge over the river and look 1000 feet up, there is the only one ball of light, this is the one.
Than after YOU turned south, YOU just need to watch you 12 o’clock. There is the only one ball of light, it goes warmer.
The ball of light will go for
runway 33, so it will go slowly slightly ot the left on 11 o’clock and then it will turn in front of you to the west.
DO YOU SEE IT.
THE ONLY BALL OF LIGHT IN THE SKY IN FRONT OF YOU.
IT WILL TURN WEST SOON.
And you still think they were adjusting radios and watched taxiing aircraft. From the left seat. Oh, I know, the aircraft manager wasn’t there.
They saw one plane on right from them and never bother to check what's on left from them and later in front of them
@Polothx No! Very experienced, highly skilled, well-trained, best-of-the-best, elite, PAT (priority air transport) grade, military aviators would NOT make even one such silly mistake, let alone a string of silly mistakes.
Exactly. Something is bad wrong here.
Learn how to spell!
@@andymachala999 Lower standards = lower performance. Wanna see how low we can go? Most of DC is hellbent on finding out.
This is how it works if you're an army officer. Your first priority is getting promoted, the second or third is job skill. The promotion board does not know the candidate so they have to depend on your promotion folder. The folder contains your performance reports, and anything but a perfect report is put aside. Now, unless you are really a maverick, these performance reports pretty much look alike. So how do you distinguish yourself. Well you put in face time with an assignment in Washington DC, you volunteer to be a Certified Sexual harassment/Assault response and protection, SHARP. You become a volunteer aid for White House special events, and then maybe someone on the promotion board will know who you are, or you get a General's endorsement on your performance report. You continue with your education even if it won't help you in your job, and you never disagree with your boss. Remember the board is going over a file, hundreds of them, and their looking for the over credentialed officer and sycophant to promote. That's how it works. And this was the Army pilot of the blackhawk.
Promoted to a level of incompetence, for the job. Got it.
@@feloniousmonk3049not what was said at all .. how to get noticed & promoted amongst an equally impressive field of applicants, all with perfect records.
That's standard human behaviour right there: when MEN do it, it's called being proactive, a go getter, smart - MERIT; when a woman or a POC does it it's DEI, incompetence blah blah?
Tell us your a bigot without telling us you're a bigot!
Thank you.
You forgot 3 Presidential medals!
so....she woke herself to get flying as pilot?
joseph, tell youtuber @CWLemoine that. he scolded any of his viewers who thinks she may have got the pilot job due to DEI
Best Training on the Planet , Yet they Killed 67 Innocent people because they were 100 ft to high . DEI has nothing to do with it , just complacency that lead to incompetency
the DEI ideology sure is showing now: counting all her medals, she is the bestest evah pilot, she helped old ralphy....
.... she literally came out of social aide duty and jumped into a very specialized Blackhawk Squadron for continuity extraction...
@@FishermensCorner immature idiots as you are the problem the final report is the only thing that matters not little childish comments from morons!
SORRY! AT LEAST TWO OF THEM WERE NOT INNOCENT!
Keep in mind that DEI literally means "lowering standards". Lower standards = lower performance, certainly consistent with what we see here.
DISAGREE, ridiculous. Not one single good argument from Instructor Joe. "obstructed", "can't see clearly" out of the Window, 4th Person with Eyes in the Head missing, NOBODY is interessted of how bad night goggles can be. IN THIS AREA it is inexcuseable to use that crap. It's alwas the Pilots decission, to fly anyway and only fly when it is save and secure. It is in the Pilot RESPONSIBILTY to see and fly! This hole Helicopter-Flight in existence is the Problem! Why? "Training" to risk normal Peoples lives.
This Instructor Interview was absolutly pointless, he stays absolutly political, he don't want to lose his job. pointless.
He intentionally is deceiving which is way worse than staying political for fear of losing his job. He knows exactly what he’s doing while contradicting himself repeatedly.
He made the decision to speak here and he made the decision to lie. Hope he gets exposed and never sees a promotion and channels like this get exposed for allowing this garbage for more views. Enough people told this guy all he needed to know to be able to question things but he didn’t so he is complicit.
The military helicopter clearly went above their 200 ft boundary. Clearly is their fault. Night vision goggles or not doesn't matter. The collision could be avoided if they stay below 200 feet.
I totally disagree with using night goggles on this mission, they were not landing in a dark area. They were in a congested area with aircraft taking off and landing. Yes the structure of the windscreen didn't help The tower operators should have paid more attention to the closures of both aircraft and either had the jet go around or the helicopter make an immediate turn away.
P.S I have thousands of hours in various models of helicopters, in and out of combat.
Yea not sure what this black hawk pilot is yapping about. Nvgs suck if you even think about looking at a spotlight
Yep, the guest former Blackhawk pilot is talking out of both sides of his mouth, In his world 2 + 2 = 5
EXACTLY! They all gave the RESPOSIBILITY out of their hands. The CRJ was without any chance on it's way to death.
has it been verified that nvg's were being used?
💯 a very poor risk management situation, deliberately chosen. It's the basis of the whole disaster.
No one has mentioned that the CRJ pilots, also with limited visibility was able to see the Black Hawk in the dark. But somehow this Military PAT/ priority air transport machine, ironically named the “Black Hawk” couldn’t see anything. 🤨 I respect everyone giving the chopper crew, grace, but the reality is they made deadly mistakes. In some cases you have to use your training and have situational awareness along with gut feelings; I feel only seasoned professionals will have. I don’t understand getting in that chopper, in a high traffic area, knowing passenger planes are coming and going and you or someone in your crew isn’t constantly monitoring your altitude, speed or looking above, down, left and right on high alert. To fly at that height and no one noticed, is negligence. The tower could have been more descriptive by giving the exact location when he asked if they had visual. He saw how close they were and should have never accepted their visual separation until they confirmed they saw what he was seeing directing them to look to the left at 11’o’clock. The chopper crew made deadly mistakes and the tower could have done more… It is what it is
That’s a great point about the location of the CRJ. Tower should’ve told the Blackhawk traffic was “10 o’clock and less than 1 mile, same altitude, intersecting path, advise you have visual.” And as someone else asked, the CRJ should’ve been told about the traffic as well, “ traffic, 2 o’clock less than 1 mile, same altitude, intersecting path, advise.” 100 foot vertical separation is essentially same altitude.
After impact, it sounded like someone in ATC just woke up from a nap saying.....Crash crash crash....2 helicopters....uhhh no...a helicopter and a plane?
The tower said CRJ at 1200 ft approaching 33 and the Black Hawk asked for visual. Did they not know what runway 33 was? It makes you wonder how experienced they were.
@@robyne2260 there were multiple aircraft on the visual runway 1 approach. I suspect they identified one 3 or 4 miles away and assumed that that’s what the tower was referring to. Hence the helpfulness of giving distance of the traffic.
@@PTucker0864not at all likely that was ATC-I️tsounded to me like he was on the other end of the crash phone getting a call from the tower, part of the DCA Crash crew on duty -either at a comms desk or in a command truck- relaying information from ATC to the crash trucks.
He did sound sleepy though, but that’s to be expected of a crash crew waiting on a crash
I’ve been a military instructor pilot with weak female students who “must succeed”. It’s a tough spot. Almost impossible to maintain situational awareness on both her and what’s going on outside.
Bingo!! A danger to everyone involved....including innocent people like the airliner.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that this (female) pilot was "weak" or anything but totally qualified.
Desperate to even suggest DEI, foolish to do so on this platform
yh this guys a loser
Agree, DEI should not even be a part of this discussion.
Exactly. It knocks this channel down a notch.
You have to be either mentally compromised or willfully determined not to see that 1) we have an accident that involves gross incompetence 2) lower standards = lower performance 3) there are no females, zero, among the top 1% of pilots in terms of objective skill 4) a top 1% pilot likely would have avoided this catastrophe.
Edit: I just saw there is now a female Blue Angel. I have an open mind, but I'm unfortunately not ready to concede point 3 just yet. And statistically 99% of the top 1% are male.
It's perplexing - what's a DEI hire anyway?
"pilots can have bad moments" - is as absurd a statement as you can get. "surgeons can have bad moments" when they unnecessarily cut off your ***. The only quality required of such people is that they DO NOT HAVE BAD MOMENTS. They don't need to be brilliant, genius, physical badasses or have superhuman hand-eye coordination - that's for the test pilots. If that were the requirements for commercial (AND military sharing the commercial airspace) - we better shut down commercial aviation completely. The absolutely ONLY requirement is that they are rock-stable and don't have lapses in judgement. With triple redundancy being many people in the cockpit in the rare event of one of them having a bad moment. If this is not present in any cockpit, then something similar to DEI is at work. There are no excuses. "Oh, this is normal. Oh, it's hard to see with NVG's" - well, then CANCEL the bloody normalized dangerous stuff. The issue is exactly mixing military and commercial pilots. In military, priorities may be elsewhere. So, don't use them to fly in common airspace. We still remember the many stunts from the past resulting in tragedies, from deadly air shows to low flying through cables holding a gondola full of people. Go and enjoy the NVG's in the desert. Military flying in civil airspace should be obeying the same rules and regulations as civilian planes do, even stricter! I hope this bold new government of yours can finally move some stones.
EXCELLENT COMMENT!`
Expecting humans to be perfect without building in safety margins is a recipe for disaster. Would you drive across a bridge at rush hour if the engineer who designed the bridge did so for exactly the weight he would expect it to bare at maximum? No. He adds in 50% margin. Rather than expect both pilots and the ATC to be perfect, as they were expected to be, design into the system some margin. Require the Helio to pause before the runway threshold and wait until the ATC gives them clearance to pass once the jet has touched down. That surgeon has 4 years of college + 4 years med school + 5 years or more of internship, residency and surgical specialty. I don't think you can equate that with 2-3 years for ATC, 450-1500 hours for helio or 5000 hours for airline pilot. I expect a whole lot more from my surgeon, that's why I want margin built in to pilots/ATC.
Best training my rear! You don't do stupid things like this. God forgive me, but this idiot doesn't know what he's talking about!
@@larryreed7073 Yes. exactly.
100% correct. Completely different objectives, and not sure military pilots are really trained to fly in civilian airspace.Their whole MO is completely different.
11:24 yeah anyways, the Squadron she's in is for continuity extractions of VIPs.... so she spent two years doing social parties in the white house and then jumped into a helicopter Squadron that I guarantee a dozen other people were turned down for.... she should not have been there, and shame on your guest for not being honest about the situation... the same leadership that allowed one crew chief, is the same leadership that allowed her to be in that pilot in command position too soon after social aide duty.
LGBTQ will be ruling military soon. It'll be like pom pom brigade.
1,2,3,4 and left, 2,3,4 and right, 2,3,4. Squat. Ok, boys and girls get your pom poms out. Military exercise 2025.
That's not what happened. JFC. She was doing both at the same time. Just like the men do. How can you guarantee anything? Who are you again? And saying that the "guest" should feel shame. The ONLY Black Hawk pilot actually in the room?
Oh christ we got a live one
@radfem2010 Former US Marine Aviation Ops and aerospace engineer... you, nobody. "she was doing both at the same time" is false. That's not how "Aide De Camp" works.... so yes, it's MIND BLOWING as someone who is familiar with the unit involved and their mission set. This person had ZERO business being anywhere NEAR that unit more or less a pilot in command.
She 100% was promoted to a position she had no business being in for "political" reasons. That unit's mission set is one of the most unique on earth, short of the 160th, HMX-1 and ATO.... they're probably one of the most sought after and prestigious helicopter squadrons IN THE WORLD...I know GUARD pilots that have quadruple that amount of time in the air... you know what, Microsoft Flight Sim?
*What about the altitude restriction of 200ft AGL for the Blackhawk, yet the collision was ~350ft?*
The DEI boogey man is absolutely ridiculous. People are intentionally being obtuse when it comes to this subject. Just stop it, respectfully. The folks that are hired for any of these highly skilled positions have to meet the same qualifications as the next person. "DEI" wouldn't exist if discrimination didn't exclude QUALIFIED individuals based on race, gender, and religion.
Exactly! The Tuskegee Airmen were such QUALIFIED individuals! Denied pilot jobs by every US airline, after proving their skill and worth in the skies of Europe, while defending and saving white asses in those B-17s !!!
Over four centuries of white male racism is why we're even having a discussion/debate about, *Diversity-Equity and Inclusion*
Yet some of them have the unmitigated gall to equate DEI with racism and the bloodshed, death and destruction racist have caused in the history of this country!!! That's truly an insult and it reflects the longggg history of white men always looking for a scapegoat! What it's really saying is....white men can do no wrong, even when they do.
Too bad they didn't hear the powerful words of this white man! 🤔
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*_"I happen to think the singular evil of our time is prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow and multiply. In almost everything I’ve written there is a thread of this: man’s seemingly palpable need to dislike someone other than himself."_*
*_"For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone."_*
Rod Serling
1967
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*a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat* WOW 😳
Another day of "Defend Blackhawk crew, dont say a shit about the airliner crew, who did nothing wrong". All american channels the same.
thank you. The " expert" of this video makes excuses for everyone. And the
interviewer just happens to ask the exact questions required for shutting down criticism
thank you for your comment
What exactly do you want to see and hear? We don't even have all the information about what happened yet.
Tbh the whole system is a failure. Bottom line even if helo stayed at 200, it's still a "near miss" near misses are not safe or acceptable, there where multiple near missed hours before. That tells me right there the way that airport was operating was dangerous. Simple hold helos at haines point when an airliner is approaching landing on that runway and this doesn't happen.
@ggginforlab, muito bem dito.
Exactly. This guy is so useless. See my comment on top. He stays absolut political. The Reason are so clear.
1. This Helicopter-Flight(s) shouln't have happen at all, not there, not for "Training" Bullshit, without deactivaed Transponder,
2. Rebecca flying without knowing where she is in the moment and does not look out of the Window, IN THS AREA.
3. the Controller NOT warning the CRJ that there is a Helicopter, Controller not stoping any of the guys
Preliminarily, it looks like major causes are going to be: (1) Congested airspace (2) Poor route design (3) Light pollution / lack of visibility (4) Night vision goggles impairing visibility (5) Electronics outdated / not adequate for low level conflict avoidance (6) Overextended ATC staff (7) Inadequate communication protocols and (8) Complacency around visual separation approvals. It was an accident waiting to happen. We should get loads of recommendations out of the NTSB.
Aircraft strobe lights stand out on nvg’s
And a female pilot
The Black Hawk requested and was granted "visual separation". The helo crew failed that responsibility.
Policy can be changed taking away that privilege and deal with all the consequences of that policy change.
Really, and I thought it was DEI! The PoTUS said it was so! Whatever YT folk think that is. 🙄
I've read quite a lot of NTSB reports. PIC, who flew the helicopter in controlled flight into the side of a airliner, has ultimate responsibility. I don't see how the official cause ends up anything but pilot error.
As a former crew chief on a Huey I always sat behind the pilot. Regardless of who was flying the aircraft. And we never had another crew member unless it was a door gunner. And yes we were doing many different jobs I was responsible for ordering parts and maintenance on not only my helicopter plus help in the hanger on days my helicopter wasn’t flying.
Every interview with an expert on this subject leaves one piece or another out of the puzzle
By military standards, AI says to be an “experienced “ military helicopter pilot that they have 2-3,000 hours experience, not what these pilots had, especially the woman sitting at the controls. I will say this again. This was a “Continuity of Government “ mission. That means transporting high level government individuals such as the POTUS, ok? So wouldn’t you think this kind of mission would or SHOULD have the kind of experienced pilots the White House would be using realistically? I mean, what is the point in doing this kind of mission if you don’t use the really experienced pilots? So maybe the real question is this…..has our military lowered their standards to suit quotas and not merit, thereby infecting other standards within the entire organization which includes lax decision-making? Finally, as a citizen we need to demand to HEAR those black box audios, ok?
“Best training in the world”?? This is basic failure of situational awareness 101. The ATC communicated that there was CRJ Wilson bridge at 1200 lining up for 33. Rough calc you know in 60 secs CRJ will be at 600 turning final. All eyes should have had it in sight. If any doubt should have held. ATC promoted them again and they replied affirmative on visual. Don’t think they ever had visual of CRJ. The guest was clearly bias in defending the Blackhawk. There is simply no excuse. Total failure of the Blackhawk crew and PIC.
I agree
Hello Dan. Couple of comments I'd like to make. The Blackhawk was on a VFR flight. VISUAL. Plus they were flying directly into the flight path of landing aircraft for the ACTIVE runway. This would have given a pretty good hint to which direction that the pilot, crew chief, or spotter should be looking towards.
They were notified numerous times to be looking for a landing aircraft that would be within the landing flight path of the active runway.
Additionally, if a military rotary pilot skill level at 400 hours is stated by your guest to be so proficient, then WHY were they 100 feet higher than their MAXIMUM altitude?
I hear there was a related incident just a few days prior to this accident. So why was that not reported to controllers to be aware of a potential disaster? Or is the special VFR that the controller confirmed twice just a way for him to avoid any responsibility in case of a near miss?
You just figured it out when you said Special....
As a firefighter who flies with the national guard, the Army has only 1 crew chief. The Air Force has 2. I sit in the left gunner seat. My responsibility is to scan and clear the left side of the aircraft. Anytime I bring my eyes inside to perhaps look at maps or forelight, I announce, "I'm inside" so that the crew knows to increase their scan. CRM. Having flown with with NVG's, I can totally understand how the lights from the CRJ was mistaken for a ground base light.
It's so comforting to know that a pilot can ask for visual separation and the ATC is absolved magically of all responsibility of maintaining the safety of commercial jet passengers when they have the maximum capability to do so.
My unstanding there was a 1000 hour IP on board and he was the Pilot in command of the aircraft.
She was in training, when I say in training all pilots no matter if they have 50 hours or 10,000 hours of flight time go through training at times.
This was a tough flight in tight airspace and I don't think there's any DEI pilots in the aircraft.
Because if it was a DEI pilot that caused the crash it wasn't her. Because the 1000 hour warrant officer IP was in charge of the aircraft.
He was in charge of corrections if the pilot taking the check out made any mastakes.
As an E4 I was able to fly out of US bases in Germany. I had to take a Day VFR check out.
A night VFR check out and if I had been IFR rated I could have filled an IFR flight plan after a check out and passed
The word DEI is toss around a lot and I don't think the service would let anyone fly if they had not pass the test.
The FAA is a monster in it's size and the control tower staffing is a small part of the FAA'S job.
200 feel max celling at night is dangerous and in tight airspace mixed with comical and private aircraft.
Possibly was a storm just waiting to happen. Mix that with NVG witch I have never use and can only go off what I have heard increase the amount of danger for everyone
Remember during one US rescue mission I believe two US helicopter's hit each other in the middle of the Desert.
This was possible the perfect storm
Said day for all
I’m deeply shocked why is almost everyone lying about the obvious situation.
There was no other aircraft around whatsoever.
They flew at each other from exactly opposite directions for one whole minute having their high-beams on.
The crj was announced to the helo a minute before, describing where exactly it was as the only aircraft around and on their 12 o’clock at 1000feet.
They were told what exactly the jet will be doing and where and when it will be doing it.
And after this the atc checked let confirm and assure twice that the helo see the jet and will separate visually.
So why are all the people hysterically gaslighting everyone that the helo flying south at 200feet couldn’t see the crj exactly opposite flying north at 1000, than 800, than 600feet.
How being lower, at 200feet, headed south, can you not see crj’s high-beams higher in the black sky at 600-1000feet, the only aircraft around, exactly south of you on your 12 o’clock??
Are there seriously city lights high in the sky??
Does night vision prevent you from seeing straight forward at your 12 o’clock??
So it makes you completely blind??
If they exercise navigating completely blind like jedi, a $10 sleep mask from amazon will do, you don’t need night vision.
why are all the people hysterically gaslighting everyone that the helo just materialized from mars at the crj’s 10 o’clock 3 seconds before, but wasn’t flying for a whole minute from the crj’s 12 o’clock with its high-beams in the black sky as the only aircraft around and moved to the crj’s 11 o’clock just 10-15 seconds before the crash and to the crj’s 10 o’clock just seconds before the crash.
It did not materialize there from a different universe just seconds before.
All the gaslighting on RUclips and tv by sketchy guys in fighter jet suits telling they were for 20 years 767 pilots and talked just yesterday to an active black hawk pilot from the delta team is a national shame.
This is what highly likely happened ruclips.net/video/wEZDOJJoEsI/видео.htmlfeature=shared
I agree. The BH had the CRJ right between its runners the whole time and it would have been just a few degrees above the horizon.
And the 'adjustment from 200 to 300 feet - to me, that makes the copter nothing more than a guided missile. I don't think there was actually anyone on the copter at all.
The FAA busts people who fly harmless toy drones, but facilitates mid air collisions such as this. FAA needs sanctioning.
What do you mean by this comment?
What have the FAA done wrong regarding this accident?
Not trying to be rude, genuinely curious about what you are alluding to.
@ Putting a heli route tens of feet away from an ILS approach path for one. Allowing the military to use their own frequencies in controlled civilian airspace for two. Allowing DCA an operating license for three. This sort of accident was always going to happen sooner or later at that airport. Same with LGA. Allowing simultaneously operation of intersecting runways is another accident on many peoples Bingo cards. Theres a lot of airports that need seriously looking at.
@@rebeccaaaaaaaac The ATC knew the Heli and plane were on collision course and should have ordered the helicopter to change course.
@ How is that an FAA issue though?
@@davidwebb4904LGA is dangerous?? 😮. I like to travel out of there. What makes it dangerous?
I don't think 450-hour pilots should be flying in major cities. Let them fly in remote areas until they get more hours.
I agree, and it should be the same for anyone driving a car. It probably should be that even more hours are required before anyone is allowed to drive anywhere, since way more people are killed in traffic accidents than planes.
These helicopters have been training there since 1987 and no helicopter ever flew at full speed directly into a plane. No collisions in 40 years?? She did it .
Thank you for your comments. I think you are right on target. Don't jump to conclusions. Get a conclusive investigation and then we 'may' know what happened. Thank you.
The entire discussion about the crew chief is ridiculous.
Why not 4 crew chiefs, one long front left, one front right, one looking back left, and back right, maybe 6 crew chiefs might be even better that way we cover the middle left and right as well.
How about the flight crew not fly with NVGs in a congested Bravo. How about they stay on the published route laterally and how about they stay below the published maximum altitude.
I fly single crew helicopters in Bravo all the time, I stay clear of other aircraft. I strictly adhere to published corridors and I have my head on a swivel.
Training is not a substitute for experience, so that’s also BS.
At 450 hours you don’t have much experience. I have close to 10,000 and still learn every day. She is not to blame, the instructor was the responsible person.
Really , she is not at fault when she was actually and literally hand flying the helicopter????
@captain_cgc2413 I would like to know if that chopper had dual controls. If it did why didn't the instructor take the command back when they were high and off course ???
Inspector should have cancelled the check ride when she wen off route and when she busted 200 ft airspace., taken control and been PIC and returned to the base, with a "Fail" on her record for the check ride.
The instructor was calling the visual to ATC .. stop & think about that .. he said they saw the crj ATC was advising ..
So he then sits pat while they fly a straight line dead in front of crj inbound to 33!
But you blame her!
OK, now go ..
@@captain_cgc2413 it was a check flight not training. She was PIC at all times. It is 100% on her not maintaining situational awareness, not maintaining lateral course, not maintaining altitude.
The way I see it, the helicopter flew straight into the plane, like there were no pilots flying it.
They were killed in Ukraine over a year ago.
I will add that I feel sorry for the controller who was on shift that night. They surely have been playing this terror over and over in their mind wishing they'd done something differently. The ones who allowed this employee to be so overworked and doing two jobs should be losing sleep! So many failures that should have never been possible. Fortunately this tragedy will change everything, and hopefully make things like this never happen again, but at a terrible cost. 😢
The FEDS write rules with the blood of innocent others.
DEI IS NOT JUST ABOUT RACE. JUST SAYING
Yes?
I found your channel searching for info on the DC colision. I like your style of presenting sensitive points. So I subscribed😊👍
If DEI did not exist, DEI and the attendant distrust by the public would not be part of this conversation.
@GregFlymeister DEI stands for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion can anyone point to how this would have caused any issue in Aviation?? There are poor pilots, ATC and mIlitary before, during and after DEI programs.
To be fair I think Dan is responding to comments.
By hiring people by whats between their legs and the color of their skin. Instead of competence. She only had 500 hours of flight time. After how many years? Thats DEI. @@tonespeaks
If trump hadn’t blamed it on DEI off the cuff then the public would not be so distrustful though… think that’s why people are speculating about DEI as the president drew attention to that issue specifically immediately after the accident.
If you can help me get my next bonus, raise, or promotion I don't care what race or gender you are. But, when government and political regulations force people into organizations, good people leave, mediocre people stay, and the team falls apart.
The fact you started your video with than inane, if rhetorical utterance as click bait means I’ll never take you seriously again.
What A Cowardly Approach Both The Reader And His Host Take - Don't Recommend Channel - Not Informative ...
As long as DEI policies were in place (in any of the involved organisations) then they must be regarded as another slice of Emmental.
There's been an update from, I believe the NTSB, saying the ADSB was turned off on the blackhawk.
Yes, we saw that after the shooting and editing was done on this. It is really not new as ADS-B data was not available for the aircraft. Why did they shut it off? I don't know. Maybe it was protocol for this training mission, we don't know. I am sure we will find out!
But transponder was on?
@@DavidJordan-o9o It was. I pulled MLAT tracking data early on plus the CRJ did get a TCAS proximity warning according to NTSB. This surprised me but it means they knew the chopper was too close. Also indications they tried to avoid it but really, what would have worked
@@carolinejoybarnhart3717 thin safety margins eroded by multiple human factors.
I saw the radar picture, with the alt data.
Sadly real people and their loved ones paid the price.
I understand the BH was a uh-60L with analogue avionics. Does anyone know the cvr/data recorder capabikty?
Take care all, thoughts to everyone
I want to know how many active Blackhawk pilots have additional, higher-profile jobs related to White House tours and VIP escorts.
Was this a pilot who doubled as a social liaison…or was this a social liaison who doubled as a pilot?
There is no explanation for delaying the release of her name while the family scrubbed her social media
If I had to guess, I’d say she was a qualified pilot on the bleeding edge of fast-track advancement in the name of the boxes she checked in the high profile she had
I'm truly tired of racist/sexist questions being elicited in the walking brain-dead fanboiz by the ignorant orange slob
Would it make you people feel better if the same thing had happened with an angry white male NASCAR fan flying the copter?
So, if it is determined that mistakes were made by people who were not "DEI hires" what then? Should we start talking about all those slovenly "non DEI hires" gumming up the works? I think it's a pointless thing to bring up, especially this early in the game.
As a retired Army guard 64A/D pilot, I think both crew members were junior to be in a PAT type unit. 150 out of IERW, another 60-80 or so for readiness level progression in the unit. The fact that she was a White House intern might explain the fact that she was in a VIP type unit without 1500+ hours. Should have been a pair of CW3/4 in a VIP helo unit in such a high traffic area. Black hawk pilots are typically only required 48 hours per 6 months, where Apaches do 72.
Let's be clear. DEI doesn't chose a lesser person over a better person based on race, gender, or any other characteristic. DEI actually involves SEEKING OUT qualified people to apply, and THEN choosing the best candidates from among them. In no case should an unqualified person be put in and properly applied, DEI doesn't do that. Period.
Exactly. The DEI = lesser qualified applicant misinformation is harmful to keep passing around. I’m disappointed this channel’s creator did this today.
Why was ATC so understaffed? And why is there a class action lawsuit regarding Caucasian candidates that scored 100% being turned down? Why did they introduce the puzzling biographical test?
Make that clear.
Just because you begin with 'Let's be clear.' and end with the word 'period', doesn't make your argument any more compelling. It just makes you look manipulative and authoritarian.
@@hausacat1. ATC has been understaffed for decades. This is what happens when you reduce funding to essential agencies like the FAA and ignore the problem.
2. Bringing a class action lawsuit is not the same as proving the case. Has there been a verdict? What are the facts of the case, legal issues to be adjudicated, what is the court’s analysis and what has been the conclusion?
3. I don’t know what puzzling biographical test you’re speaking of. But you’d have to be able to show that any such biographical info was determinative in why a particular candidate was hired AND that that biographical trait was CAUSAL to a deficiency that was CAUSAL to the accident occurring and that Caucasians, as a result of their unique genetic traits not shared among non-Caucasians, cannot and would not make the same mistakes that occurred in this accident.
Good luck.
@@hausacatI believe that has been debunked. And a large reason for them being understaffed is an aging workforce and lack of incentives to go thru the schooling/time to be worked to death for mediocre pay. This all goes back to Reagan REALLY screwing the pooch. History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme
Based on what the pilot was saying they were distracted while operating in the vicinity of an active airport with two active runways! How is visual separation normal operating and allowed in these situations!
I'm sorry,,,but as of now,,,from what we see as the public,,,we the public can't understand how the hell the helicopter did not see the incoming CRJ landing lights...at one point it was directly in front of them and was cleared for landing....this is 100 percent NOT the pilots fault of the CRJ.......this was AGAIN..the military piss poor training and had no BUISNESS being in that airspace....and now 67 people are gone cuz of stupidity
It came in from their left. Never in front of them.
Unbelievable
Simply unbelievable.
Those were young , talented crowd with massive future ahead of them
Understaffed Air Control since Reagan fired all in 1981
Did DEI play a role? Was it one of the holes in the Swiss Cheese? Unquestionably. But it's not with anything regarding the Army Pilot. The DEI problem that greatly helped cause this has to do with the FAA's illegal hiring practices over the past 5+ years. But particularly over the past 3 years. See the Class Action Lawsuit Brigida v Buttigieg. The FAA was openly and rather unquestionably tossing out applications from fully qualified ATC applicants, both from US academic institutions and experienced military air traffic controllers on the basis of race and sex. Quite frankly it was "White Males Need Not Apply". The result is a shortfall of 1000 Controllers in the system. ATC centers are understaffed, overworked and facing increasing traffic. We've seen the effect of this in the clearly observable increases in ATC errors and near daily terrifying near misses that have been occurring in US airspace and on US runways over the past 3 years. We just had 2 more this week. One at I believe LaGuardia. AT least in one of them the controller instantly realized his error and quickly corrected everyone resulting in 1 go around and 1 plane aborted takeoff with hit brakes. But still... We have never seen this before in the history of US Commercial Aviation. At least not since the ATC system was put in place. The FAA Human Resources Division became so conserned about the immutable characteristics of ATC applicants, that they have been ignoring their own jobs of filling the desperately needed openings with technically capable applicants. Somehow they appear to have brainstormed their way through dealing with not having enough sufficiently diverse applicants to meet their arbitrary quotas, that they opted to meet the quotas (which were percentage based, not raw numbers) by reducing the number of white males coming into the organization, thus seemingly inflating their diversity percentages. This was a solution that only a Government Worker could come up with. Add to this the great Covid Vaccine purge by Pete Buttigieg, which did more harm to the ATC system than Reagan did when he fired all the striking Air Traffic Controllers in '82. AT least Reagan called in the National Guard to fill the towers and reduced the amount of dailly traffic until the system could be up to full strength. Buttigieg just fired or forced into retirement his mostly most experienced controllers. And did nothing to fix it. Just papered over the hole. Nothing to see here.
"Efforts by the Biden Administration to factor race gender and sexual orientation into hiring and promotion decisions puts the traveling public at risk and deepens the staffing shortages we've seen throughout the FAA under this Administration." ~Rep. Mary Miller, 2023
but she lied, the white male military pilot was at fault.
Nothing in Rep., Miller's education or career background qualifies her to comment on this. In this statement she is merely parroting a political attack.
You mean the far right member of the freedom caucus? Nothing political here.
Thanks for your thoughtful unbiased opinion.
This channel needs a host that’s a real pilot 😩
There's some good ones on YT. Mentour Pilot is pretty good. He doesn't comment on accidents until the NTSB report's released for the most part but I think his Mentour Now covers plane crashes. His one on the Air France Concorde was outstanding! I just saw the one he did on the accident which killed a friend of my parents' which was AA 191 in 1979. i think he's done some good videos on CRM.
As a pilot... I agree.
Your guest seems to be a DEI program administrator. Everything was perfect, they were very experienced, nothing wrong, blah blah. No idea why the accident happened, blah blah.
Seriously if you were smart you wouldn’t touch that DEI stuff with a 10 foot pole. I’m no rocket scientist but I understand that.
DEI may be part of the blame, but the biggest blame lies with the ATC.
The Army pilot was a relative novice approaching 500hrs, and only in the top 20% of the ROTC program. This says nothing of her pilot skills. Anyone flying in a complex high traffic environment that is training to handle VIPs in an emergency evaluation should probably be in the top 1%-5% of class.
Indeed, 500hrs of an ROTC graduate comparing to 15000 hour for an average airline pilot does not look very experienced.
So straight, white, males are automatically not novices?
Exactly what I was thinking 🤔 also.
I feel silly asking this but … when the helicopter was told to look for the CRJ at 1200 feet did they therefore think it was safe to be at 300? Did the helicopter route include going over the top of the Woodrow Wilson bridge at 200 feet? Wouldn’t they want to be higher than 200 feet when clearing top of the bridge? So they were anticipating (too soon) having to pop up?
With the latest news about two Ramp agents one in Charlotte North Carolina get killed when driving a tug and the one Ramp agent getting injured by a plane at Chicago O’Hare airport and can you do a video on Ramp safety and what airlines are doing about this to protect the ramp agent employees I would love to talk to you about this
The explanation regarding not seeing the jet still isn't all that believable, especially when pat25 says they see it not once but twice. It wasn't the one that just took off as that had already passed them up in altitude and behind them. It really leaves only 2, the one they hit and the one much further behind. The video from the Kennedy Center, which had a near straight line view from behind doesn't even pick up 3130 yet, but it clearly shows the bright landing light of 5342, a light that can't be mistaken by anyone whether you're flying an helicopter or plane or driving on the ground or standing. Those lights are immense. If they had nvg actually over their eyes, they would have flipped them up or deactivated them if really caused such a bloom effect. This would have occurred as soon as they saw it.
DEI is just a no. It was a male ATC, not sure which race but that's irrelevant. ATC did everything like they were supposed to and did an amazing job after the crash not to lose composer and continue with giving directions to incoming traffic.
This accident seems to be more a joyride. pat25 was not adhering to altitude and was not adhering to Route 1 or 4. They didn't really care incoming traffic, didn't slow down or lower altitude or even move away from the runway, isn't that why they requested visual separation? It's almost like the stories you hear of people who try to beat a train to the crossing, they probably they could beat the plane to the runway. I really wish the CVR recorded the conversations the crew was having with each other.
There really wasn't a reason to tell the crj about the helicopter, crj was on final, they have to be at a certain angle, speed, descent, etc and focused on the runway not looking for a helicopter at night. Planes aren't as maneuverable as copters, that's why pat25 was granted visual separation. But as I noted above, they did nothing at all to indicate they were trying to avoid the runway or the plane.
Well on the close call the night before the incident, the CRJ pilot was alerted to the potential close call and made the choice to go around. This CRJ pilot had no such choice.
Tower should’ve told the Blackhawk pilots that traffic was “10 o’clock and 1 mile, same altitude, intersecting path, advise you have visual.” And as someone else asked, the CRJ should’ve been told about the traffic as well, “ traffic, 2 o’clock 1 mile, same altitude, intersecting path, advise.” (100 ft indicated altitude vertical separation is essentially the same altitude given instrument accuracy considerations)
That’s what ATC is all about ! Plan, execute the plan, and then, most importantly, MONITOR ! They failed to do that.
Dan, from a DEI standpoint. I think you did a great job on this video! Please keep up the great work!
I’m an air traffic controller in the FAA, and I can personally tell you that our training is intense and lengthy, but it has NOTHING to do with race or gender. Everyone must pass the academy, and continue training for several years at their facility. We are all held to the exact same standards. Any DEI talk as a contributing factor from the controller’s side here is total nonsense.
The DEI BS talk makes me livid. Thank you to you and all the other FAA ATC’s out there who work so hard to keep our skies safe.
Well said. Nobody would be talking about DEI if ignorant people didn't keep bringing it up.
Thank you for your response. I can’t even believe this is a question that’s being entertained by anyone. This is just plain racism and homophobia…. nothing else. I can’t believe how the American people are so focused on gay and trans people right now when they should be focused on much more important issues, it’s ridiculous.
I’m sure that’s true for all involved.
The class may be the same for everyone, but the hiring process is 100% based on DEI.
I’m not entertaining the thought that DEI cause this accident. It was human error and nothing else.
@@dustoff499 Agreed. I'd also add over-congested airspace, poor route design and probably a considerable degree of complacency ("we've always done it this way and never had a problem...").
Yea, its a lil mishap, nothing more, nothing to see here
@@akosritter9088 At least you didn't call her a girl.
Lol that doesn't change the facts of the case
@@OUTDOORS55 There is no "facts of the case." It's a hoard of bullshit.
name one heli pilot that has flown this in the military with 500 hrs?? name them, you will find out the truth, 500 hrs you don'[t haul leaders etc in dc. need triple that to apply
Well said, Dan - I agree 100%. This ALL needs to be investigated AND released in full to the public. DEI has no place in society, let alone a mission-critical job like a control tower, or a pilot! Whether this was, or wasn't, the cause of this crash needs to be DEEPLY investigated. Partisan b/s and social engineering can be DANGEROUS to a society.
The issue is no one should make any speciulation, especially the president. That will put pressures to prevent NTSB from conduct their works properly.
This girl flew directly into a jet. She was flying 125 ft too high and was far off course. She had no business flying.
Anyone that tells you they are your equal is not equal, how come we cant hear the black box voice recording?
That’s never released. You may get a transcript.
@patrikfloding7985 I mean from the Blackhawk, they always have voice recording on
This is one of the most concise, informative and professionally done videos I've ever seen. Just outstanding. Condolences to all involved in this tragedy.
It is the worst nonsense I heard
I agree. Excellent channel.
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@@PlattSchockiert The "worse" nonsense? LOL. At least try using the correct word.
@@Mark-i3p2e okay, telephones not always write the better word you are typing
But the content ist shockingly clueless
Regarding DEI, I think it's important not to just consider "DEI hires", but also consider DEI "non-hires." For example... was ATC understaffed due to qualified candidates NOT being hired because they weren't the desired race or gender? I don't know if ATC was understaffed, I'm just using that to illustrate how DEI non-hires could potentially be part of the problem.
DEI has fuck all to do with this incident. This was a bad procedure and an accident waiting to happen.
@jovazquez6102 calm down Francis... Lol
@@RobertTarter-j5e Let the NTSB do their jobs and stop believing every piece of filth out of the president's mouth
@@jovazquez6102 You're way too sensitive, bub. Take something for your TDS and stop assuming the worst in people. The content creator of this video was the one talking about DEI. If your President made some kind of comment on this video, I assure you I didn't see it. I merely pointed out to the content creator that if HE's going to consider DEI as a possible contributor to this disaster (not saying he should or shouldn't), then he should consider DEI "non-hires" as part of that argument... Not just DEI "hires". It's a subtle point I was making regarding HIS thought process - not the legitimacy of the point he was making... understand?
@ The only reason the creator made the video is because he's a trump worshiper who despite knowing better parrots whatever bullshit he cooks up.
Let the NTSB do their jobs and stop blaming on black people, women, and lesbians
Such a tragic and sombre video showing the removal of the mangled helicopter. As a pilot I am shocked still that too many holes in the Swiss cheese aligned tragically that night and NOT ONE of them was closed, thereby preventing this very preventable tragedy. There are many failures. 1. The pilots of the UH 60: perhaps inexperience, maybe flying with NVG at night in a very busy control zone (they were inside the airport control zone of a VERY busy airport), and too high (the altitude restriction in that area is 200 ft) they were at or above 300ft so perhaps mis-adjusted altimeter setting? They also mis-identified a departing A/C for the CRJ ( the helo pilots were instructed by tower to follow BEHIND the CRJ and yet they failed to VERIFY with ATC the location or status of the CORRECT A/C Example: Tower to UH 60: PAT 25, the CRJ is above you to your left at 11 o'clock, xxx ft descending on short final RWY 33, verify that you HAVE THIS TRAFFIC! The crew would have IMMEDIATELY looked in that direction and perhaps saw the arriving A/C and adjusted course! Yet they were apparently NOT EVEN AWARE there was a CRJ on short final to their left perhaps lost it among the ambient lights of the city! TERRIBLE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS! 2. The tower apparently sent one staff member home early. Thus one controller doing two tasks. Task overload? 3. When a collision warning was flashing on the scope, the controller did not instruct the at risk A/C to immediately adjust their course/altitude? What the heck? I have flown many times in control zones and the controllers are VERY communicative with their instructions. Safety is FIRST AND FOREMOST! So, WHAT HAPPENED? Maybe Biden's DEI agenda played a role along with the massive shortage of QUALIFIED ATC! ATC employees NEED to be hired based purely on MERIT AND SKILL, NOT their diversity of pronouns, or gender. Gender based hiring has NO PLACE in ANY work place! Pilots and ATC NEED to be VERY well trained and NEVER EVER ASSUME! THIS WILL KILL YOU AND OTHERS! Shame Shame Shame, Biden and his idiot accomplice, Harris! Don't forget who started this whole DEI nonsense: Obama!
As a pilot myself, I would have never been going 120 knots less than a mile from an Active runway in Class B airspace.
The problem with humans is that perfection is impossible to achieve.
Tragedy is inevitable.
This never happens. It was not meant to happen either
@2147B - I've never lost a friend from an airline accident.
I've lost dozens from car accidents over the decades.
Perspective matters, IMHO.
You said it. Good job man. Glad u have guts to say it. Great videos as always
Anyone can say it. The only people who really need 'guts' are the NTSB. Because a Black Hawk had near misses with two airliners the previous evening and if it's an all male crew, oh well. And if they look into previous near misses which they will probably find, they'll run into one at some point with an all white male crew and then what? Aviation survived decades where nearly all fatal crashes were piloted by white male pilots. It would be as stupid to blame their race and gender for those accidents. Even with accidents including those involving collisions with military craft where the military were at fault (and in one case the military personnel lied about where they even were) where they were at fault, there were other factors more important than their melanin level and what they had between their legs. But it's like that with race too. The two fatal crashes involving the B737MAX series with Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines where a certain famous pilot had to set some folks straight that it wasn't the pilots it was the plane.
@@radfem2010 are u even a pilot??? I wish idiots who are not pilots would shut the f$#@^ up. You don't know what ur talking about. I am a pilot.
Considering that the white male “trainer pilot” who had the safety system, ADS-B, turned off for the drill and was the one communicating with the control tower, no, I don’t think it was a DEI crash. Also, no, I’m not blaming the trainer. Clearly that flight path had lots of safety concerns long before this crash.
I don't think the controller was at fault. Yes, he could have said, "Look at the CRJ at 11 o'clock," and the inexperienced pilot could have messed up anyway.
Maybe she was taking selfies again?
Yes DEI played a role and that person sits in the WH.
Questioning DEI isn't phobic or racist. I'm a gay man and I want to be hired for a job based purely on my merits and qualifications. Any deviation from this is patronizing at best and dangerous at worst. Period. Thank you for making this informative, balanced and thoughtful video.
Questioning it isn't, but equating it with centuries of bloodshed, death and destruction AKA racism, is ignorant at best!
As well as highly insulting to those who've actually experienced the negative, harmful effects of REAL racism.
The type of critical thinking more people need.
DEI (as I understood what it means) isnt racist but a program leading to quotas is. Ethnicity, sexual preferences, skin color and so on should never be decisive in getting a job that has nothing to do with these attributes.
Racicm and the opposite, anti-racism are equally bad. Rate Racism with -1, Antiracism with +1, both are equidistant from No Racism (0).
@ Sorry but you're only partially correct. Skin color and race should never be THE determining factor, yet it has been for centuries. Tuskegee Airmen were well qualified for airline pilot jobs, but were denied by every US airline simply because the weren't white men. That practice has continued for decades! So let's not play word games.
*Diversity-Equity and Inclusion* can never be equated with racism when you understand what systemic racism is and has done in the country!
Your last sentences is equally incorrect. It's like saying m_rder is equal to anti-m_rder or falsehood is equal to anti-falsehood. Or oppression is equal to anti-oppression. It may sound good to the ill-informed, but it's a factually devoid argument.
@@Redtail_Pilot Seems like we disagree because of different understanding.
Especially with your last statement.
My argument has nothing in common with m_rder vs anti-m_rder or falsehood vs anti-falsehood.
Rather, I had meant that actively trying not to be racist can lead to overshooting, which is just as bad. People of a different skin colour, sexual orientation or religious beliefs, etc. are not children who need extra care. It shouldnt be even neccesary to think and talk about this topic. right?
your expert is questionable at the very least.
It may not have been caused by DEI .....but it damn sure didn't prevent it from happening.....is it a coincidence that this same mission has been pulled off hundreds of times without fatalities until this time .....
Nonsensical statement.
@ModernVintage31 Is at you Biden.....
And right in front of a certain world-renowned building. Happens all the time
@@jesseleblanc1199You did it again! Another nonsensical statement. Biden might have lost it but that doesn’t mean you have it.
@ModernVintage31 He never had it ....folks like you just couldn't see it
I like that you talk about a lot of questions out there and you tackle the sensitive issues that really help to look at the overall picture of the situation. This helps to truly evaluate the pros and cons of an event. I do feel there could have been some tougher questions asked of the other pilot like, "When they mention "flight hours", how much of that is actual "flying time" piloting the aircraft themselves?", Second, "How many actual flight hours did she have flying at night?, and separately in a congested airspace, and further the actual hours with "night vision" on?", another would be "Did night vision cause her to be 100 ft above maximum altitude?". But I did like your updates.
I've learned more from your videos on this incident, than ALL the major media outlets. Thank you for the deep dives on all of this. BTW, what software are you using for your remote interviews?
They are now reporting that the Black Hawk had it's ADSB turned off.
No, it was not caused by DEI. The pilot in command was a man with 1000 hours of flight time. The woman pilot had 400 hours which is normal for her time in service. The answer is simply if you make a system that requires perfection you will end up killing someone.
He is talking about the controllers
I believe she was pilot in command with the left seat pilot monitoring. That's why he was on the radio. They will surely look into everyone's records and reviews.
She was PIC. It was a check flight not a training flight. At all times she was PIC. Guy on radio was pilot monitoring, and assume the check pilot as well. Fair to say she failed.
@@robh8890he was in the left seat and on the radio. His job was to check the left side for traffic. He never asked where to expect traffic. If anyone failed it was him.
Men have been hired under DEI. That includes white men. Funny how you completely dismiss the possibility he was a DEI hire based on race. He is automatically qualified in your eyes
So only non whites would be slandered with being called DEI hires. Very convenient. DEI covers people who are disabled, trans, come from low income backgrounds, etc. But you see a white man and know right away he can't be DEI? What a joke.
30 years on hawks and never did any of my units every use 2 crew chiefs to fly with the aircraft.
Didn't expect to see this title.
Oh boy
Yeah, well, it has been the number one comment on the videos. Probably time to address it.
@@TakingOffthe problem is that A LOT of people only see the TITLE not the video
@@juanmanuelgomezmartinez3795 Well, I hope they watch the video. Because this country needs dialogue about it.
@@TakingOffdefinitely needs to be addressed thank you
Brace for impact. The comments are coming
Oh, come on. I'm not a fan of DEI myself, but there's not a shred of evidence that that had anything to do with it. It's disgusting to come out with this accusation without having any evidence for that. I guess male pilots get to make mistakes and still be treated with dignity, but female pilots don't - huh?
Who accused? You're kinda making my point, which is "People are screaming DEI, but we don't have the evidence. Let's wait for the investigation before making those claims."
@@TakingOff My comment wasn't meant to criticize you. It was meant to criticize those who came out with this accusation without a shred of evidence that it had anything to do with the accident. And, BTW, we should also wait for the investigation to see if a lightning strike caused the accident.
Ah gotcha.
@takingoff. I understand that 450 hours is a pretty common amount of hours to be flying for military helo pilots but in all of these aviation channel analysis they are addressing total hours. These happen to be irrelevant. The question to me is when those hours were accumulated. Were those hours from the last year and a half or two years or was she just getting back in the cockpit...... and what does the logbook look like for other pilots assigned to this unit. Let's be honest..... flying in this airspace, and in these tight corridors, can be unnerving. With that said nobody has answered my question. Should she have been in that seat or should she have been somewhere else building hours and skills.
No one will ever admit that DEI was the cause of this and many other tragic accidents that we have witnessed over the last 20 years which is when policy of forced DEI was mandated upon governmental and corporations. The bottom line DEI has been a cumulative affect which we are starting to witness the impact which these policies were implemented around 20 years and consequences have escalated! It is frightening just how dangerous the implementation DEI is causing us! We've been forced to stick our heads in the sand and have been threatened and intimidated to not saying anything about DEI 😡😡😡 I am a retired firefighter (captain) and we started having DEI crammed down our throats starting 20 years ago which affected hiring new firefighters and promoting firefighters within the ranks!!! All impacted to DEI policies! The fire department is nothing today directly due to DEI! Frightening!!!
Just fyi: statistically, the past 20 years have been much safer in terms of accidents per (US domestic) flight hour than previous decades.
@@TheGreatNardo but didn’t you notice all the exclamation marks he used?!
I think people are mistaking the statement "DEI should be a point of investigation" with "She (or others invovled) were hired, promoted, retained, evaluated with any influence of DEI, which therefore could be a contributor to the total cause of the crash.
It's not a logical insult, so people asking the question should not be subject the name calling and devaluation just because they raise the question.
Consider the very simple logic - which is mathematically logical:
Reducing a pool of candidates for any position, or evaluating individuals differently, results in a less skilled workforce. In any position where skill equates to safety, therefore saved lives, reducing the candidate pool equates decreased safety.
We know the military and FAA has used DEI QUITE aggressively.
THEREFORE, its workforce is less safe (and less performative).
Therefore, there is reason to ASK the question, look into the records.
Just because 'Black Hawk training is some of the best aviation training in the world' DOES NOT equate to 'the finest candidates were chosen, and all evaluated on the same basis.'
I don't understand why this is difficult to understand.
For example, asking the question 'was anything faulty on the Bombardier' is NOT the same as accusing the jet of being culpable or partially culpable in the crash. It's just a valid question to ask, and I'm quite sure it's being asked, whether it's likely or unlikely.
As for Trump raising it: Logically, DEI is equivalent to a less safe workforce unless there is something specifically ABOUT DEI where while it is less safe statistically, something else about it makes up for that deficit. There is zero evidence of that.
Please let's all be logical, as that is the way to keep the highest standards, the safest and most skilled workforce/armed-force.
Your logic is flawed and missing links in causation.
@@ModernVintage31 Such a claim certainly invites you to defend it with your own logic? Do please point out the 'flawed-ness', the 'missing links in causation'.
Who knows, maybe I'll learn something.
@@DonBueller Because you’re equating “DEI” as reduction in hiring to a qualified standard to the exclusion of equally or even more objectively qualified candidates who do not fall under the DEI umbrella.
And that even though the “DEI” hires do have to qualify for these positions via education, training and objective performance metrics - the same objective metrics used for all candidates - that they are somehow less safe DUE TO their inherent characteristics which are inextricably twined with their protected class.
You are claiming that but for “DEI” this accident would not have occurred. And this is before you have any clue whether anyone involved here was hired over a “safer” candidate due to DEI.
@@ModernVintage31 All 3 of your points - that is to say - your claims about what I said - are false.
You can not create a counterargument by re-inventing the argument you are countering as a straw man/men to fit your argument.
I never said 'reduction in hiring', nor did I mean that. YOU said that.
I never said 'less safe DUE TO their inherent characteristics' nor did I mean that. YOU said that.
I never said 'that but for “DEI” this accident would not have occurred', nor did I mean that.
When the coin of the realm is logic, you MUST not change the other person's statements. Maybe you just need to re-read my statements. Do not project onto them what you think or wish I said.
DIE logically, LOGICALLY, reduces the quality of the force. I never said it 'was the cause in this case.'
Consider you have 20 bunnies, and need to create a bunny racing team of 5 of them.
IF you consider ANYTHING other than the bunny speed of the 20 - for example, fur color or sex of bunny - in your selection of a racing team, you will, statistically, have a slower team than another team selected from those 20 bunnies which was selected PURELY on the basis of bunny speed.
It's this simple. DEI results in less qualified workforces VS the possible workforce that could have been selected from that same set.
It's math - and math, like facts, do not care about your feelings.
Even IF you argue that DEI is appropriate, you still have to accept that a definciency of it is that it will result in slower teams for bunny racing.
For pilots and ATC, military or ATC/FAA, that translates into a reduction in possible performance, safety and likely both.
Such a statistical reduction in safety/performance does not guarantee that's what happened here, nor is it a criticism of mutable or immutable characteristics. It is merely a statistical reality.
@@DonBueller Stop with your nonsense. DEI deepens the pool of candidates by every metric. It is inclusionary by nature. That’s the point.
Also your bunny breeding analogy only works if bunny speed is a proven genetically heritable trait that can be reliably reproduced at the F1 generation without also increasing expression of speed-impairing characteristics such as poor conformation.
As a recruiter for 20 years in the aviation industry of more than 150 different nationalities, it is NOT DEI that caused the crash.
Human error, yes, DEI no. But…that said, could DEI have contributed to more erroneous hiring? Possible, but not the source reason. Hiring is about assessing the right fit, not the right race, ethnicity, nor DEI issues.
Both hiring errors and flight operational errors are human factors. It was quite obvious to me that the ATC did not communicate to BOTH aircraft and helicopter pilots of intrusion airspace for both pilots and requested that the helicopter hover regardless of “space separation” between crafts.
“Passing behind the CRJ” is a wrong approach as it doesn’t eliminate the possibilities of jet wake vortex either.
And the number of aircrafts in the line of sight for the helicopter would have been more than 1 aircrafts including the ones taking off. How could anyone tell which one is CRJ in the night with the same blinking lights?
The communication assumption here is the CRJ lining up for runway 33 is the ONLY aircraft in the sky.
That’s human error. DEI? Unlikely.
It’s wild, isn’t it? For DEI to have been causal in this case, one would have to prove that the people who made errors in this accident were prone to making those errors BECAUSE of being a part of that DEI demographic. AND that those particular errors caused the accident. AND that those people involved here were in their respective positions DUE TO a DEI quota program and not their own individual merit. AND, finally, that similarly qualified people who are not included in DEI would not have made similar mistakes, and were available to hire at the same time as those in this incident but were not SOLELY DUE TO DEI.
DEI and Affirmative Action have never been about hiring unqualified people for a job. It’s been: “all things found to be equal, race or sex may be used to tip the scale of who to hire.”
dei chooses less qualified people over highly qualified people based on skin color or gender
Agree with your take on DEI.
DEI caused problems must be on the table and not verboten by ideology.
There's a natural reason why so few women can compete in high end motorsports racing. They are generally less talented. Do helicopter flying require a different or unique skill set more suitable for women?
Kara Hultgren was probably a clearcut DEI caused catastrophe
*_"Do helicopter flying require a different or unique skill set more suitable for women?"_*
Flying an aircraft takes a brain, not a penis. So stop the bigoted misogyny bull 💩
Several years ago, I had the pleasure of flying over the beautiful Grand Canyon. The pilot was a female and she was great! My first flight with a female pilot. I couldn't give a crap about what private parts she was born with, or who she sleeps with to use said parts. You jokers need to stop this nonsense. It speaks volumes about who and what you are inside.
@@Redtail_Pilot get real
@@teddyruxspin8480 get lost