Apologies, the final scores shown in the video are inaccurate. The totals should be: Sony - 10 Canon - 11 Nikon - 9 Jordan apologizes for his lousy math.
Oh, the Z8 has terrible colors because it doesn't have a low-pass filter~ The low-sensitivity test is also terrible now~ So I'm embarrassed to say how terrible the Z8 is- -0 This is what you want to say?
I'll let you know how I feel in a few weeks, as mine should be here in the next week or so. Initially just a 24-70 f4 lens, plus the adapter for my old F mount lenses, but I'll be adding a 180-600 and then maybe a 14-24 or similar wide angle as well, plus maybe one prime lens - any suggestions there, as I was thinking somewhere in the 50-100mm range, but that Nikon NIKKOR Z MC 105mm f/2.8 VR S Lens does look sweet as well.
@lithgowlights859 That 105 looks sweet for sure, I use 35 1.8 and 85 1.8 and both fantastic. 20 for Astro and I love my 180-600. 105 is my next lens to try some macro. Z glass is so damn good.
@@KurtisPapeabsolutely but I am pretty sure thats why its not in this comparison. These are not the flagship camera’s from Nikon and Canon although arguably preferable to them in many cases.
“The Sony a7rV is starting to show its age…it’s getting older…” this comment threw me for a loop since it’s barely two years old. Hopefully two years is not the expected lifecycle of a $4k camera.
The a7RV will be able to be used at top pro level for 10 more years at least ... but the hype machine will want you to buy a new camera much sooner than that.
@@truthseeker6804 Is it, though? Most of the advantages the other two cameras had were either very incremental or due to them having a stacked sensor - and you could buy a high-resolution Sony camera with a stacked sensor two years ago...
Showing its age due to Sony being shit on updating firmware and not introducing new features that can be added (because they add them to newer bodies with the same chip) but withholding them to make people buy newer bodies
The A7rV is pretty good already. However because it doesn't have a stacked sensor, the mechanical shutter might have issues after some years, if you take a lot of pictures. Also the video capabilities of the A7rV are not that great. I also think Sony will stop upgrading the camera after some years. As a result it may no longer possible to connect the camera anymore through WiFi because some certificates may expire or because the current camera app is no longer updated by future Android or iOS versions. Other than that it will still be a great camera in 10 years.
Nikon Z8 and Z9 are simply astonishing to work with, the latest z6iii is nice too, except I don't like the difference of buttons and controls... A7Rs did a great start, but have been caught up.
Z6iii is a great little body as a stand alone camera, but if you have already a z8 or z9 , and you need to work fast , I would thing twice I would pick a pair of z8
The A7R V are not and has never meant to be a all rounded jack of all trades it’s incredible how many who doesn’t fathom it’s a specialised tool for photography where IQ/DR is of highest order, this will always cost on speed and capability depending on that… Sony jack of all trades is the A1 no matter how overpriced that might be in 2024
I just checked myself and came to the same conclusion as you. With the categories and points provided, it doesn't really add up. Whatever happened in their backend process screwed up big time. Maybe their Excel was f'ed up? :D Didn't catch the error, too, to be honest. Was rather unsuspecting. Should've focused a bit more on the video itself. ---------- Calculations Points taken from video, with timestamps. Handling: Nikon (02:08)/Sony (02:30)/Canon (03:11) Display: Nikon (04:03)/Canon (04:39)/Sony (04:59) Image Quality: Canon (05:32)/Nikon (05:58)/Sony (06:26) Action: Sony (07:26)/Nikon (08:07)/Canon (08:55) Video: Sony (10:08)/Canon (10:32)/Nikon (11:11) Nikon: 1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 09 (vs 11) Sony: 2 + 3 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 10 (vs 08) Canon: 3 + 2 + 1 + 3 + 2 = 11 (vs 12)
All of these bodys are really good. But especially because of that the eco system and lenses are important - because every Pro preaches: Care about lenses, not so much about the body ;-)
Canon has never allowed 3rd party lenses. 3rd party EF lenses appeared, when their patent expired. Having 3rd party on RF is a first .. and yes, there is 3rd party lenses on RF now !!
I considered this, but ultimately the fact that EF adapts seamlessly and can be had at bargain prices right now made me go Canon. There is still a lot more good OEM EF glass than there has ever been good 3rd party offerings. All good either way though, really.
We definitely need to give a standing ovation to the engineers behind all these brands, who work tirelessly to significantly improve camera technology. This progress has been driven by healthy competition among them. I used to be a Nikon user years ago, and I switched to Sony. Not only because I saw the company on the brink of bankruptcy, but also because, in my country (Panama), I always felt like we didn't matter to them as customers. Canon and Sony, on the other hand, have shown a more customer-focused approach, especially here in Latin America. Today, Nikon continues to produce exceptional cameras, and I’m genuinely happy they remain in the market. While I’ve never been a Canon user, I love what they’re doing. So, in the end, we photographers are the ones who truly win, regardless of the brand we choose. As always, a great comparison and high-quality video.
I'd love to see more comparisons like this but more specific to popular genres of photography that include top and mid tier lenses. For example within wildlife something like the Nikon Z8 + 180-600mm, 600 and 800mm PF, 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4 TC vs the Canon R5II with 100-500mm, 200-800mm, 100-300mm f2.8, 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4 vs the Sony A1/A9III + 200-600mm, 300mm f2.8 w/ TC's, 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4. How do they compare tracking wildlife? How do they compare in handheld video (stabilization) and tracking in video while shooting log? How is the handling of these lens/body combos? (Zoom throw while shooting wildlife, custom buttons, weight, etc) Then the same would be great to see for something like portraiture. How does the Z8 + 85mm f1.2 compare to the R5II + RF 85mm f1.2 vs the Sony A1/A9III/A7RV + 85mm f1.4 GMII.
Thank Chris & Jordan for this DETAILED & UNIQUE video. As of today, Oct. 5th, 2024, yours is the ONLY one that compares Canon R5 Mark II with Nikon Z8 and Sony a7R V. The most helpful thing for me is when you point out that Sony A7RV is not a good video camera because of its 61 megapixel. That's exactly what I need to know to find a good hybrid camera.
With the Sony A7RV I have shot 3 documentaries and will soon shoot my fourth. It makes me laugh that people think the 7RV is not a good camcorder when it absolutely is not. Certainly it was born primarily as a camera, but it can also defend itself well on the video side.
a7rv is fine for shooting video. you wont run into many problems unless youre shooting in very dark environments or extreme fast action stuff where the rolling shutter will be shown. stabilisation is good as well and doesnt warp the corners like canon
I bought all 3 of these and ended up keeping the canon but really miss the z8. The ergos and overall shooting experience are phenomenal. I fully expect to be back with Nikon for good when their next gen pro bodies come out.
The videos I upvote always have a moment where I'm reminded to do that. In this video that was the moment where Jordan was licking his lips and beckoning you to let him cheat you out of your money. Hilarious, and one of the reasons I've kept watching you all this time.
I'd love to see y'all do a crop sensor flagship round-up with the G9II, OM-1 mark II and Fuji X-H2S, which are all pretty close in pricepoint and capabilities
@@RandumbTech hah, all I can afford is a 2918 Nikon Z6 that cost me about 700 bucks pretty sure I can't afford any brand new camera beyond the mid range category lol Purely for entertainement !
For hobbyists (on a budget) I bought the Sony A7R4 2nd hand after 15 years of shooting 3 Canon DSLRs. There are so many lenses available for the E-mount and also that mount is the oldest mirrorless mount around. For landscape, Tamron and Viltrox have good value lenses and I recently picked a Samyang 85 1.4 and enjoy that also. The detail from this camera combined with dynamic range blows me away every time I post-process images; I used to bracket photos in my Canon days but with the Sony that is hardly ever needed.
aside from IQ and screen/EVF, I'd rank Nikon Z8 above the other cameras.. the AF and autofocusing is incredibly accurate, super crazy burst rates... and I probably have larger hands than Chris
@@bubbachua what specifically do you find better about the Z8 over the R5II? My understanding is the Canon autofocus is actually more accurate than the Nikon according to another poster here who owns both and other comparisons I've seen, especially for wildlife and nailing the eye on people. R5II also does 30fps raw so I don't see burst rate as an advantage for Nikon. I was an R5 user who now uses the R5II and also just ordered the Z8 so I'll be able to test them soon.
@@bubbachua the af is the worst of the three. I’ve owned all of them. It will show you on the screen/evf that it’s tracking right. But the photos won’t be. Did a whole wedding season with the z8 and I’d say a third of moving subjects were out of focus.
Thank you for the video. I do agree with the results. What is interesting: - Canon R5 ii could be better than R1 in your comparison and could be easily considered a flagship - Nikon Z8 is pretty the same as Z9 flagship camera in terms of capabilities you were comparing Funny enough A1 could be winner here as it has higher resolution sensor and the same or better fps/af performance. And A1 is 4 years old camera!
The three cameras serve different purposes. The A7R V is a studio and landscape photography camera (slow, high-resolution photography, the closest to medium format quality you can get in full frame), the Z8 and R5ii are cameras for photo journalists, action and sports (fast photography). A better comparison would have been between the A7R V and the Z7. Canon doesn't have a true high-res landscape and studio photography camera in its mirrorless lineup (yet).
I ageee but they probably didn’t use the a1 because of cost, but I still think it would’ve been a better comparison, just with a fat negative of being 2k more
@@owengee7415 agree, 2k more. At the same time it was released 4 years ago (sic!) and Canon/Nikon still does not have the sensor with that resolution, readout speed and fps.
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6:21 that little throw gave me a tiny heart attack
It will be interesting to see what Sony does with the A7RVI. If they make a camera that truly competes with the Z8 and Canon R5II in specs, it would be very close to the Sony A1.
If you look at the Raw DR: Exposure Latitude studio scene, you can see that despite what Bill from photonstophotos has recorded as the actual DR of the cameras (and I don't dispute that, the guy is a genuis), the Z8 is way less noisy in the shadows than the A7R V camera, it's not even close.
All around shooting still? Or all around shooting video too? It had good video specs for the time but awful autofocus. Stills? Yes best stills DSLR ever.
Ultimately, there's not a lot of difference among these three cameras. Each has an outstanding design and excellent specs, and in competent hands each makes excellent images. The bottom line is to shoot with what *you* like, feels right to *you*, and gives *you* consistently satisfactory results. Snap reviews like this, using what the reviewer admitted were often subjective categories, really don't and can't address that bottom line. To make an informed decision which camera to buy requires you to your own assessment by testing each of them yourself. Moreover, you need to do so with lenses you you'll use regularly because lenses are still the most important pieces of equipment in creating excellent images.
@@stubones it's a bit weird counting mounted lenses I would say, lets make a lens bigger! It's normal to look at native lens support. Not counting the older Nikon lenses for example. Native lenses are what people are looking at and Canon has only very basic or very expensive, there is nothing in between
I hear the Sony E to Nikon Z adapters are quite good as well. I love my Nikon Z lenses, but I’d love to see more info on Sony’s lens selection used on Nikon.
I missed you guys including the A1. I know it's old and there is a mark ii on it's way probably, but still, would have loved to hear it compared to the z8.
I think all three cameras have incorrect final scores - Nikon and Canon each picked up an extra point that should have gone to Sony according to the individual scores
Considering the release date difference between the Z8 and the r5 mkII it becomes more and more clear the brutal effort that Nikon put into tje z9/8 cameras. Close to another "D3/D700" event
With the Sony A7RV I have shot 3 documentaries and will soon shoot my fourth. It makes me laugh that people think the 7RV is not a good camcorder when it absolutely is not. Certainly it was born primarily as a camera, but it can also defend itself well on the video side. I find that the Sony A7RV, while very specialised in reasoned genres, is an excellent all rounder, especially when you don't need the 60mpx and are using the 26 (ff and apsc) or the 15. It is an excellent working camera, impossible to speak ill of it.
Probably pretty niche, but I’d pick the Z8 for the Auto Capture feature which would open some creative possibilities the other two can’t do. I think such features can really differentiate when the cameras are otherwise similarly good.
Nice review but I feel you missed an important criteria. In action photography there are now so many instances where silent shooting is either mandatory, essential or advantageous. That means electronic shutter and the Z8 is a clear winner for high frame rate action in electronic shutter. In my humble opinion. I never would have thought silent shooting would have been so impactful but in action it simply is.
All excellent cameras. I own the Z8 but will never knock on another camera brand. I will agree with the handling on Z8. In my hands it is a bit too big. I wish it was about the size of the R5 and I hope that in future models Nikon will take that into consideration. The EV also doesn't bother me. I actually owned the A7RV prior to my Z8 and despite the A7RV having a higher res EV it doesn't look as good as the Z8's EV. The Z8's EV is just brighter and has more consistent refresh rate compared to the A7RV.
Not withstanding the respective scores, this video informed my decision to go for the Z8 with the 24-70 2.8S lens- total plunge given it is my first full-frame camera.
If true, it'll be too late to the party and get compared to whatever the lineup is near the end of 2025, when it will be the oldest of the options most likely.
Really great video y'all. As much as I love my Sony's, I gotta say I can't really do the a7R V because I am too much of a hybrid shooter, so its good to see this comparison. But I have enough E Mount glass I love that I'm not sure I can jump to that GH7 that makes your videos look so good.
There is a difference between having a an ownership through purchase of stock and fully incorporating the company into your current one. They can co exist and even compete.
I think that as per camera type the Sony A1 would fit this comparison much better. It would loose in terms of price, but it is a hybrid camera, which is not the case of the A7R V.
Z8 for me as well. None of these suck, but Z8 does it all well and has pro level ergos, unless you have tiny hands apparently 😂 (and this from a guy who uses size small gloves)
...gain perspective on where the industry is going! Thanks Chris for these awesome comparisons! Am cheering for the R5 Mk II! It is a high time that Sony should unleash a successor of the 7 R V!! Waw! Good review there!
This is probably a very fair comparison review. I have the A7RV and I know it’s not a true hybrid camera. My primary use is travel, portrait and landscape photography with the odd video. If I needed a more balanced camera in this mount, I would have to go to the Sony A1 or the A9III which are significantly more expensive. That makes getting a second body like a ZV-E1 for video work making the combo more expensive than Canon or Nikon. I do use the Fujifilm X-H2S with eterna profile for video work, but having two different platforms making it inconvenient. I definitely agree that the Nikon Z8 and the Canon R5 Mark III are excellent hybrid cameras. I feel the compromises by both manufacturers to achieve this balance is excellent. I am a big fan of Canon ergonomics and menu, since I use to use Canon DSLRs before I moved to mirrorless (Sony). As far lenses go, I definitely prefer the smaller sizes of Sony’s prime lenses and zooms, the range of optics and the choices of manufacturers. So I am happy with my compromise.
Goal of video is understood and it is well done but maybe allow for ties, or just give a +1 or +2 based on performance in any category... especially the more subject ones. The handling alone, where someone with small hands who wanted a light body may pick the Sony vs. someone with larger hands using long zooms all day who may go for the Nikon... and the Canon possibly be in a perfect middle position. This alone could reorder the final raking, not that it was important or even the goal of this exercise. Even the image quality would switch with low light fast action is the main need. Viewfinder? Sure the Sony is great but not if you need fast action and black out free. Also, instead of Jordan popping up at the end with a score or two for video, pull in a 3-4 person crew and each score each category... or just have Jordan score all of the categories as well. of course, you may end up with one camera pulling away or a three-way tie, but regardless, it just means someone will comment that you should have just used a 3-point scale with a forced 1st, 2nd, 3rd scoring system...
These days, it seems you really can't go wrong with any of the brands, assuming you do your due diligence. I'm sticking with Canon, because that's the brand I've used since the '90s. Recently bought an R6 Mk II (and my main reaction was, why on earth did I wait so long?). Based on how that's gone, I've sold my trusty old 7D Mk II and Sigma 150-600 Sport, and will be picking up the R5 Mk II within the next couple of weeks. I've got the 100-500 and 200-800 lenses, and have found that my 24-105 EF works beautifully on the R6.2 via the EF > RF adapter. Very much looking forward to adding the R5.2 to my kit!
I enjoy this type of comparison video. The presenters are knowledgeable, witty, and fun to watch. The statement of the Sony product "getting old" does smack of pure consumerism. I hope PetaPixel can make a more concerted effort to evaluate and assess photo equipment rather than make a commercial pushing a never ending cycle of upgrades.
I still love my sony A1 but when I held the Sony R5 I found it uncomfortable, I have never liked Canon as I feel they are just too big, but I do like the ergonomics of the Nikon.
So basically, this video is about what is best for Chris, not the viewer. Videos like this are nearly useless and do nothing but cause arguments. Great clickbait, though.
Anyone up for a light argument on this fine Saturday?! Just made a coffee and have a few minutes free to bicker back and forth with someone. Lets get ourselves all worked up before going on with our days, but constantly thinking back to how right you are and how wrong they were.
The A7RV is, for me, the perfect camera. At 70, with my shaky hands and my eyesight, the EVF resolution and the AF are just wonderful. I'm not into video or shooting high burst rates. I was looking for a stills centric camera. The A7RV is my number one! The only negative I can think of is that it has made me a little bit lazy. The photos strait out of camera taken in auto mode are really good. Very little editing needed.
This is a great video and it really had a great conclusion. Sony has the best lens selection, but backed themselves into a corner with the pricing of the A1. Their flagship body is really just the mid tier offering for Canon and Nikon, but with two CF-Express card slots. It really doesn’t justify a $6500 price tag in 2024. The ARRV is a nice camera, but is also overpriced for what it is in a sense, because it doesn’t have the video features of its competitors. The Z8 and R5 II are great and the Canon may be better for fast action, but is worse in video. They’re all pretty balanced.
I do think Lens lineups needs to be in the discussion. For instance, I use a macro for work, and I currently use a Canon EF-s body with an EF-s lens because the 35mm f/2.8 pairs very well with my work and there has never been a full frame equivalent of that lens. But were I to move to these, what options do I have? Cropped adapted lenses that don't benefit any of these. But Canon has a grand total of 1 native macro that can hit 1:1 magnification and it's not wide like the one I have, so to get the same thing natively, I need at least two lenses, which will cost somewhere in the range $1500+ compared to $350 for what I have. And this is because Canon (and Nikon) are limiting what third parties can offer while themselves not filling out the lineup with all the niches they used to offer. Sony on the other hand is filling up their lineup AND allows third party lenses AND works well with adapted lenses. In the end, as a Canon shooter now, Canon does not serve my needs. And if I want a true equivalent to my EF-s body, Fuji also has a lens that fills my needs and has adaptor support.
Nikon has a great 50mm macro for the Z system. I love my Canon EF-S 35/2.8 but the Nikon 50/2.8 macro is lightweight, has great optics and can double as a compact walk-around lens.
Good round up, thanks. I'm a Canon user, but I like Sony for its lens choice - like the 20-70mm. Which is a useful 20-105 in crop mode. As someone who doesn't like faffing with lens changes in the field, it's something the others simply don't have (And you can have the A7r5 in 'mini' form'...)
I like the comparison. Of course, who is ahead usually depends on who has the latest release. And, of course, cameras are useless without lenses. I would like to see comparisons of lenses in the most popular focal lengths from these manufacturers. And having done these comparisons for full frame cameras, maybe do them for apsc and mft cameras.
If there’s anything I took away from this video, it’s that Sony now has somewhat of a gap in their lineup compared to Canon/Nikon in that they don’t have a high end jack of all trades hybrid body. The A7III/A7IV is supposed to be that model in their lineup, but Canon/Nikon have now really carved out a new segment with both of their options. It seems like Sony needs a model with a higher resolution faster sensor that can shoot ~40-45mp photos and have better burst and video capabilities than the A7RV. The A7RV seems like a more specialized portrait/landscape camera compared to the other two cameras.
This is exactly why I left Sony. I had the Riv and wanted to shoot more sports so I waited to see what they were doing with the A9iii. When it came out at 24mp and $6k, I knew I was leaving Sony. I wanted to go with the Canon R5, but I love the Tamron 35-150 too much. So, Z8 it was, and is! Pretty happy with it so far!
Sony invented that category in case you missed it, the A1 is that jack of all trades, the problem is that it’s priced too high, but doesn’t really change what it is. The A7RV is a specialised photography tool and likely remains as such, just as is likely the case with Nikon Z7iii once it comes out as for both brands that segment is still important to them. So no they don’t have any hole in their lineup, what they lack is pricing the A1 accordingly to competitors
@@mikni4069 the A1 is a top tier flagship camera - it’s a segment above all of these cameras. The A1 competes with the Z9 and (theoretically) the R1, but IMO the Z9 and A1 are a tier above the R1 due to their higher resolution sensors. If you want a fast sensor with more than 30mp and under $6k, you don’t have an option in Sony, but you do have one for both Canon and Nikon.
@@costafilh0 I think they will too, but it would be breaking from their traditional model segmentation - the regular A7 model has always been $2-2.5k, 20-30mp, jack of all trades but not necessarily a market leader in any one area. A7S has always been low res / fast sensor focused on video, A7R has always been high resolution but not a fast sensor, A9 has always been low-med resolution but with fast readout. If Sony were to release something that competes with the R5/Z8, they’d either have to build some hybrid between an A9/A7S but with A7R resolution. It would be an awesome camera no doubt, but would really disrupt their model lineup.
Long time Canon shooter, have had the R3 since it was launched. Picked up the R5II to use in conjunction with the R3. Used it for a month and returned it to B&H. Everyone has overhyped this camera, especially it's AF system. It's marginally better than the AF system of the R3. When using it for video rather than stills, it will still focus hunt despite the claims of being an "intelligent AI" system. The focus breathing is definitely better than previous Canon cameras, but do not expect it to be as intelligent as a lot of reviews have made it sound. The only good thing I could say about this camera was that the addition of Clog2 was much better than Clog3. Video footage I filmed with the R5II definitely looked nicer than that of my R3. However, Canon really screwed the pooch with what video formatting is available as the options aren't as expansive as previous cameras; you're far more limited with what log/color space and what format you want (example, 4k highest quality is limited to h264 and not h265, etc). Battery life is comically awful with this camera as well. Last little point I want to make. Yes, I have been spoiled with the R3 battery for years, but barely getting an hour out of a battery while filming 4k is pathetic in this day and age. I'm glad I returned mine.
Great video. Love that you even say, "Who gives a s**t about the points!" as this kind of video is, for me, really about talking about what a camera is good at and where it falls short. I personally shoot Sony, and even though it fared worse because of your changes, I think you did a good job discussing how the cameras actually function.
The Z8 cant dual record video making it a wash for working hybrid shooters. You could argue the CFexpress card is more reliable than a regular SD card but why risk only having one video slot when even something like the R6II can dual record video.
and this is why I can't use it on pro video shoots. Stuck with my Sony A7s3 and FX30 for dual card slots. Not that they suck, but the Nikon image is just way better.
The strange thing is that Nikon 8 has the best video, but I have not yet found a single video shot with this camera that is truly impressive and confirms this superiority.
All Nikons have had a pretty terrible Log Lut for a while, so that could be part of the problem. From what I've seen the Red Luts aren't much better (they're stylized and not neutral), but it's something I guess
Can't wait to see what Sony brings with the Sony a7R VI, probably next year. A global shutter would be cool, but apparently not even the Alpha II will have that.
Can you guys make your rankings with a point system? Like you said about Handling they all are really good. Having a score /100 with the 1, 2, and 3 rankings will help with context that even 3rd place Handling is still really good
Jordan, what do you think about 8k recording limit on Z8? Does it matter? Is it a shame to have a limit on a camera with such a price? Is there a chance Nikon will remove it in one of the future updates?
A1. The LCD of an 8 year old camera. Top evf. Best electronic shutter dynamic range. 30fps full raw. Wifi issues. Lack of new features in software updates (although sony is trying maybe). Still the winner for me
Did I miss it or did you not even mention Canon R5 II burst rates? Also, for consistency you should've mentioned whether Sony has baked in noise reduction or not.
7:52 I’ll note that to achieve that 10 fps, you also actually have to drop to 12 bit color depth, as well. Love my a7rV, perfect camera for me…but it ain’t fast, lol.
I recently took my A7R V to Alaska and it takes absolutely gorgeous photos, particularly the landscape with its high res sensor. However, the BSI sensor is too slow for almost any wildlife shooting.
First camera i had was Sony NEX-VG10, then Fuji xt2, then i went to Canon R6 ii many years later, then i had Lumix S1R, THEN full circle, back to A7s ii which i had, sold my S1R R6 and bought lenses and changed to A7r III, now ill say this, Sony a7 iii / Riii and bodies upwards,with the battery grip for the tele lenses for some nice balancing is handsdown the best body design for me, period.
for the R5m2 you should compare the detail of sRAW 4k 60 to 4k 30 clog 2. or even 4k30 sraw. Its got more detail in my testing, and I think its actually oversampled although no specs state this.
Love the review. Value may not be a big concern at this price point, but the Nikon Z8 is typically selling for 4 to 500 off which is quite a bit less than the Canon R5 II.
Hows the files handled on PC? I like how I can set up my canon to save the files in exact folder names and file names that I want with a logical suffix. Also super easy to connect with a usb c cable so no more hassle with sdcards. Are these things possible on nikon and sony?
I think when you get tot he level of camera they are it is hard to say which is better . but for me how it feels in hand is important and I just love how the R5 feels also has a mechanical shutter that beats the Sony's electronical so add 4 points LOL A lot is how you are going to use them and what for. its good that they are so close we all can pick which one we like the most
I'm a stills shooter and rarely shoot video. Image quality is at the top of my most important list but medium format (including lenses) is out of my price range. I have a R5 Mark 1 and did not upgrade the to the Mark II as it did not have the improvements for me to justify upgrading. My expectation is Sony and Nikon will upgrade their A7R5 and Z8 (or Z7) within the next few months as the competition in a dwindling full frame camera market (less buyers) is fierce. I am really interested if there will be a Sony A7R6 as if I were to upgrade, that might be my direction.
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Apologies, the final scores shown in the video are inaccurate. The totals should be:
Sony - 10
Canon - 11
Nikon - 9
Jordan apologizes for his lousy math.
@@PetaPixel this changes everything. I've just cancelled my Z8 order.
@@bladerealm124 hahaha. Ah... Internet reviews...
Oh, the Z8 has terrible colors because it doesn't have a low-pass filter~
The low-sensitivity test is also terrible now~ So I'm embarrassed to say how terrible the Z8 is- -0
This is what you want to say?
@@PetaPixel … ha, 10 points for the Sony, not bad for such „old“ camera. 😉
@@bladerealm124 … 👏 …
The test clearly shows that Nikon and Canon are back in the game. Competition leads to innovation and that‘s great news
nikon can shoot video now? only took 15 years
@@godsinbox but now they are better than Sony… the Future counts
A stacked 45mp hardly qualifies as innovation
@@michaelf7742lmao they’re no better than Sony 😂. Sony has more variety than Nikon.
Huh? When were they ever out of the game?
Nikon z8 for me. The image quality and ergonomics are top tier.
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I'll let you know how I feel in a few weeks, as mine should be here in the next week or so. Initially just a 24-70 f4 lens, plus the adapter for my old F mount lenses, but I'll be adding a 180-600 and then maybe a 14-24 or similar wide angle as well, plus maybe one prime lens - any suggestions there, as I was thinking somewhere in the 50-100mm range, but that Nikon NIKKOR Z MC 105mm f/2.8 VR S Lens does look sweet as well.
@@lithgowlights859 dump that 24-70 and get the 24-120. Prime, 50F1.8S, and maybe 20 or 24. 85 is nice as well.
@lithgowlights859 That 105 looks sweet for sure, I use 35 1.8 and 85 1.8 and both fantastic. 20 for Astro and I love my 180-600. 105 is my next lens to try some macro. Z glass is so damn good.
"in the end, who gives a shit" such nice warm closing quote for opening up comment colosseum for gear gladiators.
he should have started video with that statement, it would have saved people 13 min of their lives
@@ElementaryWatson-123 Yes, so everyone can jump on to comment colosseum 13 minutens earlier.
Get the popcorn ready! Gonna be some hilariously petty arguments in the comments!
Yep, the A7R V is in a different category with a non stacked sensor and much higher resolution. The Sony A1 is a much more fair comparison
@@KurtisPapenot in terms of pricing though🎉
@@Pepijn.media04 but the A1 is older and priced a little high for 2024.
if you can't get a picture out of any of these cameras, it's not the cameras!
@@KurtisPapeabsolutely but I am pretty sure thats why its not in this comparison. These are not the flagship camera’s from Nikon and Canon although arguably preferable to them in many cases.
“The Sony a7rV is starting to show its age…it’s getting older…” this comment threw me for a loop since it’s barely two years old. Hopefully two years is not the expected lifecycle of a $4k camera.
The a7RV will be able to be used at top pro level for 10 more years at least ... but the hype machine will want you to buy a new camera much sooner than that.
Showing it's age due to its competition. The market is evolving fast.
@@truthseeker6804 Is it, though? Most of the advantages the other two cameras had were either very incremental or due to them having a stacked sensor - and you could buy a high-resolution Sony camera with a stacked sensor two years ago...
Showing its age due to Sony being shit on updating firmware and not introducing new features that can be added (because they add them to newer bodies with the same chip) but withholding them to make people buy newer bodies
The A7rV is pretty good already. However because it doesn't have a stacked sensor, the mechanical shutter might have issues after some years, if you take a lot of pictures. Also the video capabilities of the A7rV are not that great. I also think Sony will stop upgrading the camera after some years. As a result it may no longer possible to connect the camera anymore through WiFi because some certificates may expire or because the current camera app is no longer updated by future Android or iOS versions. Other than that it will still be a great camera in 10 years.
This video will be perfect for me in four years when I’d be considering any of these used.
Yeah can't wait for that $2K A7RV.
Watching this video on my phone while shooting with my good old R5 Mark 1
All great cameras, and I'm still not second guessing my A7R5.
I have an A7RV as well but I wish it had a stacked sensor like the other 2. I do wildlife photography and that makes a huge difference.
It’s wild how good cameras have gotten, you can’t go wrong with any of these systems now
Apart from the fact they're all so bloody overpriced.
Haha yeah I paid £1700 for a Lumix G9ii and 2 lenses 😂@unclefart5527
Nikon Z8 and Z9 are simply astonishing to work with, the latest z6iii is nice too, except I don't like the difference of buttons and controls... A7Rs did a great start, but have been caught up.
I was looki9ng at the Z6iii, but went with the Z8 as its similar to the D850 I shoot now, plus the 45 megapixel sensor is an added bonus lol
Z6iii is a great little body as a stand alone camera, but if you have already a z8 or z9 , and you need to work fast , I would thing twice
I would pick a pair of z8
The A7R V are not and has never meant to be a all rounded jack of all trades it’s incredible how many who doesn’t fathom it’s a specialised tool for photography where IQ/DR is of highest order, this will always cost on speed and capability depending on that…
Sony jack of all trades is the A1 no matter how overpriced that might be in 2024
Maybe you do have a little problem with maths?
Sony 2+3+3+1+1 = 10
Nikon 1+1+2+2+3 = 9
Canon 3+2+1+3+2 = 11
Or where is my mistake?
I just checked myself and came to the same conclusion as you. With the categories and points provided, it doesn't really add up.
Whatever happened in their backend process screwed up big time. Maybe their Excel was f'ed up? :D
Didn't catch the error, too, to be honest. Was rather unsuspecting. Should've focused a bit more on the video itself.
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Calculations
Points taken from video, with timestamps.
Handling: Nikon (02:08)/Sony (02:30)/Canon (03:11)
Display: Nikon (04:03)/Canon (04:39)/Sony (04:59)
Image Quality: Canon (05:32)/Nikon (05:58)/Sony (06:26)
Action: Sony (07:26)/Nikon (08:07)/Canon (08:55)
Video: Sony (10:08)/Canon (10:32)/Nikon (11:11)
Nikon: 1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 09 (vs 11)
Sony: 2 + 3 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 10 (vs 08)
Canon: 3 + 2 + 1 + 3 + 2 = 11 (vs 12)
@@johnz.3172 maybe it’s a ranking of the ad dollars from the manufacturers 😂
All of these bodys are really good. But especially because of that the eco system and lenses are important - because every Pro preaches: Care about lenses, not so much about the body ;-)
Can we take a moment to appreciate the production quality of this video? The GH7 really shined here & the field lighting was great too.
Jordan likes the Nikon Z8 and I agree, now I wish I had the money for that beautiful 8K!
Canon's take on 3rd party lenses is the main reason I opted for the Z8. It is a masterpiece and combines with the Tamron 35-150 it is stellar.
And then, Canon will ask this to other camera system users:
"Do you guys never use first party lenses?"
Canon can do this only because they have a huge mindless fanbase that even buys utter crap with joy from Canon.
Canon has never allowed 3rd party lenses. 3rd party EF lenses appeared, when their patent expired. Having 3rd party on RF is a first .. and yes, there is 3rd party lenses on RF now !!
I considered this, but ultimately the fact that EF adapts seamlessly and can be had at bargain prices right now made me go Canon. There is still a lot more good OEM EF glass than there has ever been good 3rd party offerings. All good either way though, really.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual ist that only for Canon APS-C right now?
We definitely need to give a standing ovation to the engineers behind all these brands, who work tirelessly to significantly improve camera technology. This progress has been driven by healthy competition among them.
I used to be a Nikon user years ago, and I switched to Sony. Not only because I saw the company on the brink of bankruptcy, but also because, in my country (Panama), I always felt like we didn't matter to them as customers. Canon and Sony, on the other hand, have shown a more customer-focused approach, especially here in Latin America.
Today, Nikon continues to produce exceptional cameras, and I’m genuinely happy they remain in the market. While I’ve never been a Canon user, I love what they’re doing.
So, in the end, we photographers are the ones who truly win, regardless of the brand we choose.
As always, a great comparison and high-quality video.
4:37 If I had Chris’s hair, I’d need a selfie screen as well. Alas I am bald so I prefer rear screens that tilt the correct way 😂
Amen to that brother! ❤
I'd love to see more comparisons like this but more specific to popular genres of photography that include top and mid tier lenses. For example within wildlife something like the Nikon Z8 + 180-600mm, 600 and 800mm PF, 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4 TC vs the Canon R5II with 100-500mm, 200-800mm, 100-300mm f2.8, 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4 vs the Sony A1/A9III + 200-600mm, 300mm f2.8 w/ TC's, 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4. How do they compare tracking wildlife? How do they compare in handheld video (stabilization) and tracking in video while shooting log? How is the handling of these lens/body combos? (Zoom throw while shooting wildlife, custom buttons, weight, etc)
Then the same would be great to see for something like portraiture. How does the Z8 + 85mm f1.2 compare to the R5II + RF 85mm f1.2 vs the Sony A1/A9III/A7RV + 85mm f1.4 GMII.
Always interesting when Chris and Jordan evaluate and do the comparison of cameras. Love their work.
Thank Chris & Jordan for this DETAILED & UNIQUE video. As of today, Oct. 5th, 2024, yours is the ONLY one that compares Canon R5 Mark II with Nikon Z8 and Sony a7R V. The most helpful thing for me is when you point out that Sony A7RV is not a good video camera because of its 61 megapixel. That's exactly what I need to know to find a good hybrid camera.
With the Sony A7RV I have shot 3 documentaries and will soon shoot my fourth. It makes me laugh that people think the 7RV is not a good camcorder when it absolutely is not. Certainly it was born primarily as a camera, but it can also defend itself well on the video side.
a7rv is fine for shooting video. you wont run into many problems unless youre shooting in very dark environments or extreme fast action stuff where the rolling shutter will be shown. stabilisation is good as well and doesnt warp the corners like canon
I bought all 3 of these and ended up keeping the canon but really miss the z8. The ergos and overall shooting experience are phenomenal. I fully expect to be back with Nikon for good when their next gen pro bodies come out.
They're all better than my phone.
The videos I upvote always have a moment where I'm reminded to do that. In this video that was the moment where Jordan was licking his lips and beckoning you to let him cheat you out of your money. Hilarious, and one of the reasons I've kept watching you all this time.
It’s all about the lenses
I'd love to see y'all do a crop sensor flagship round-up with the G9II, OM-1 mark II and Fuji X-H2S, which are all pretty close in pricepoint and capabilities
Exactly! What most viewers can actually afford 😂
@@RandumbTech hah, all I can afford is a 2918 Nikon Z6 that cost me about 700 bucks
pretty sure I can't afford any brand new camera beyond the mid range category lol
Purely for entertainement !
Crop sensors are so 2018... 😮😅
@@AlexWhitman-ep1sk is that ironic? 😅
Lets add Pentax K3III for fun :)
For hobbyists (on a budget) I bought the Sony A7R4 2nd hand after 15 years of shooting 3 Canon DSLRs. There are so many lenses available for the E-mount and also that mount is the oldest mirrorless mount around. For landscape, Tamron and Viltrox have good value lenses and I recently picked a Samyang 85 1.4 and enjoy that also. The detail from this camera combined with dynamic range blows me away every time I post-process images; I used to bracket photos in my Canon days but with the Sony that is hardly ever needed.
aside from IQ and screen/EVF, I'd rank Nikon Z8 above the other cameras.. the AF and autofocusing is incredibly accurate, super crazy burst rates... and I probably have larger hands than Chris
@@bubbachua what specifically do you find better about the Z8 over the R5II? My understanding is the Canon autofocus is actually more accurate than the Nikon according to another poster here who owns both and other comparisons I've seen, especially for wildlife and nailing the eye on people. R5II also does 30fps raw so I don't see burst rate as an advantage for Nikon. I was an R5 user who now uses the R5II and also just ordered the Z8 so I'll be able to test them soon.
The DR on the Z8 is pretty poor though.
@@bubbachua the af is the worst of the three. I’ve owned all of them. It will show you on the screen/evf that it’s tracking right. But the photos won’t be. Did a whole wedding season with the z8 and I’d say a third of moving subjects were out of focus.
@@EmeraldAudiovisualabsolutely not true
@@robbie154I’ve owned A7r5 and Z8 and I think Z8 is better for moving subjects and it’s actually not even close.
Thank you for the video. I do agree with the results.
What is interesting:
- Canon R5 ii could be better than R1 in your comparison and could be easily considered a flagship
- Nikon Z8 is pretty the same as Z9 flagship camera in terms of capabilities you were comparing
Funny enough A1 could be winner here as it has higher resolution sensor and the same or better fps/af performance. And A1 is 4 years old camera!
I went with the Nikon Z8 and Z6iii.
That's my choice as well.
The three cameras serve different purposes. The A7R V is a studio and landscape photography camera (slow, high-resolution photography, the closest to medium format quality you can get in full frame), the Z8 and R5ii are cameras for photo journalists, action and sports (fast photography).
A better comparison would have been between the A7R V and the Z7. Canon doesn't have a true high-res landscape and studio photography camera in its mirrorless lineup (yet).
Agree, A1 would be a better machine for the tests… Higher resolution sensor than canon and nikon and the same af/fps perf. (or better)
I ageee but they probably didn’t use the a1 because of cost, but I still think it would’ve been a better comparison, just with a fat negative of being 2k more
@@owengee7415 agree, 2k more. At the same time it was released 4 years ago (sic!) and Canon/Nikon still does not have the sensor with that resolution, readout speed and fps.
6:21 that little throw gave me a tiny heart attack
It will be interesting to see what Sony does with the A7RVI. If they make a camera that truly competes with the Z8 and Canon R5II in specs, it would be very close to the Sony A1.
Canon is the king of comfort/handling which is why I’m happy I got a Canon R6M2 for both photography and videography recently
If you look at the Raw DR: Exposure Latitude studio scene, you can see that despite what Bill from photonstophotos has recorded as the actual DR of the cameras (and I don't dispute that, the guy is a genuis), the Z8 is way less noisy in the shadows than the A7R V camera, it's not even close.
How does the Z8 compare to the Canon R5ii in DR?
@@astromoosie z8 is better from memory
Z8 is the best all-rounder mirrorless camera, hands down; just like the D850 before it was the best all round DSLR.
All around shooting still? Or all around shooting video too? It had good video specs for the time but awful autofocus. Stills? Yes best stills DSLR ever.
@@seantomlinson3320 Which camera had awful autofocus?
@@RobertFalconer1967D850 has terrible video autofocus
@@justinburrell4979 True. The Z8, on the other hand, is phenomenal.
Ultimately, there's not a lot of difference among these three cameras. Each has an outstanding design and excellent specs, and in competent hands each makes excellent images. The bottom line is to shoot with what *you* like, feels right to *you*, and gives *you* consistently satisfactory results. Snap reviews like this, using what the reviewer admitted were often subjective categories, really don't and can't address that bottom line. To make an informed decision which camera to buy requires you to your own assessment by testing each of them yourself. Moreover, you need to do so with lenses you you'll use regularly because lenses are still the most important pieces of equipment in creating excellent images.
As a stills only landscape photographer, the Sony still stands out. Fair comparison.
would say that lens selection is quite important! If you have the money, canon is nice of course, but not a lot of choice
Thats misleading, considering you can use the EF to EOS R adapter and take advantage of all the great EF L lenses... You don't need RF lenses.
@@stubones it's a bit weird counting mounted lenses I would say, lets make a lens bigger! It's normal to look at native lens support. Not counting the older Nikon lenses for example. Native lenses are what people are looking at and Canon has only very basic or very expensive, there is nothing in between
@@stubonesYou can use EF lenses on Sony, too. And Sony lenses on Nikon. I really hate the "but I can adapt lenses" argument. So can everybody else.
I hear the Sony E to Nikon Z adapters are quite good as well. I love my Nikon Z lenses, but I’d love to see more info on Sony’s lens selection used on Nikon.
@@stubones You're in the very small minority when it comes to that.
I missed you guys including the A1. I know it's old and there is a mark ii on it's way probably, but still, would have loved to hear it compared to the z8.
"It's not the bow & arrow; it's the hunter"
… shouldn’t Sony get 10 points? 2+3+3+1+1? 🤔
I think all three cameras have incorrect final scores - Nikon and Canon each picked up an extra point that should have gone to Sony according to the individual scores
@@brandonsmith3151 🙈 … calculating is difficult.
Considering the release date difference between the Z8 and the r5 mkII it becomes more and more clear the brutal effort that Nikon put into tje z9/8 cameras. Close to another "D3/D700" event
With the Sony A7RV I have shot 3 documentaries and will soon shoot my fourth. It makes me laugh that people think the 7RV is not a good camcorder when it absolutely is not. Certainly it was born primarily as a camera, but it can also defend itself well on the video side. I find that the Sony A7RV, while very specialised in reasoned genres, is an excellent all rounder, especially when you don't need the 60mpx and are using the 26 (ff and apsc) or the 15. It is an excellent working camera, impossible to speak ill of it.
My Canon R5ii has just been a dream! A nice step up over the R5 which I still own and love.
Probably pretty niche, but I’d pick the Z8 for the Auto Capture feature which would open some creative possibilities the other two can’t do. I think such features can really differentiate when the cameras are otherwise similarly good.
Loved the video guys! Chris & Jordan 🌟🌟
You guys are the best ❤️💯
Handling should be evaluated by taking the average points from both presenters, given that they have different sized hands.
Nice review but I feel you missed an important criteria. In action photography there are now so many instances where silent shooting is either mandatory, essential or advantageous. That means electronic shutter and the Z8 is a clear winner for high frame rate action in electronic shutter. In my humble opinion. I never would have thought silent shooting would have been so impactful but in action it simply is.
All excellent cameras. I own the Z8 but will never knock on another camera brand. I will agree with the handling on Z8. In my hands it is a bit too big. I wish it was about the size of the R5 and I hope that in future models Nikon will take that into consideration. The EV also doesn't bother me. I actually owned the A7RV prior to my Z8 and despite the A7RV having a higher res EV it doesn't look as good as the Z8's EV. The Z8's EV is just brighter and has more consistent refresh rate compared to the A7RV.
Not withstanding the respective scores, this video informed my decision to go for the Z8 with the 24-70 2.8S lens- total plunge given it is my first full-frame camera.
The lumix S1Rii is just around the corner, hope you'll do a vs then.
If true, it'll be too late to the party and get compared to whatever the lineup is near the end of 2025, when it will be the oldest of the options most likely.
@@seanbrucemedia5695 Nevertheless, not as old as S1R is now (5 years).
Thanks for taking another look at the categories. 👍🏾
Really great video y'all. As much as I love my Sony's, I gotta say I can't really do the a7R V because I am too much of a hybrid shooter, so its good to see this comparison. But I have enough E Mount glass I love that I'm not sure I can jump to that GH7 that makes your videos look so good.
I would point out that the real world price of the z8 is far lower than the one of two other cameras
All three cameras seems fantastic for photography. It'll come down to the lenses and your personal preference.
I'm not sure I'd call it "working" with Red when Nikon OWNS Red.
Still both are different beast.
It's a marriage😂😂😂
There is a difference between having a an ownership through purchase of stock and fully incorporating the company into your current one. They can co exist and even compete.
I think that as per camera type the Sony A1 would fit this comparison much better. It would loose in terms of price, but it is a hybrid camera, which is not the case of the A7R V.
A7RV was a dumb choice, it should have been A1
Z8 for me as well. None of these suck, but Z8 does it all well and has pro level ergos, unless you have tiny hands apparently 😂 (and this from a guy who uses size small gloves)
...gain perspective on where the industry is going! Thanks Chris for these awesome comparisons! Am cheering for the R5 Mk II! It is a high time that Sony should unleash a successor of the 7 R V!! Waw! Good review there!
This is probably a very fair comparison review. I have the A7RV and I know it’s not a true hybrid camera.
My primary use is travel, portrait and landscape photography with the odd video. If I needed a more balanced camera in this mount, I would have to go to the Sony A1 or the A9III which are significantly more expensive.
That makes getting a second body like a ZV-E1 for video work making the combo more expensive than Canon or Nikon.
I do use the Fujifilm X-H2S with eterna profile for video work, but having two different platforms making it inconvenient.
I definitely agree that the Nikon Z8 and the Canon R5 Mark III are excellent hybrid cameras. I feel the compromises by both manufacturers to achieve this balance is excellent. I am a big fan of Canon ergonomics and menu, since I use to use Canon DSLRs before I moved to mirrorless (Sony).
As far lenses go, I definitely prefer the smaller sizes of Sony’s prime lenses and zooms, the range of optics and the choices of manufacturers. So I am happy with my compromise.
Goal of video is understood and it is well done but maybe allow for ties, or just give a +1 or +2 based on performance in any category... especially the more subject ones. The handling alone, where someone with small hands who wanted a light body may pick the Sony vs. someone with larger hands using long zooms all day who may go for the Nikon... and the Canon possibly be in a perfect middle position. This alone could reorder the final raking, not that it was important or even the goal of this exercise. Even the image quality would switch with low light fast action is the main need. Viewfinder? Sure the Sony is great but not if you need fast action and black out free. Also, instead of Jordan popping up at the end with a score or two for video, pull in a 3-4 person crew and each score each category... or just have Jordan score all of the categories as well. of course, you may end up with one camera pulling away or a three-way tie, but regardless, it just means someone will comment that you should have just used a 3-point scale with a forced 1st, 2nd, 3rd scoring system...
These days, it seems you really can't go wrong with any of the brands, assuming you do your due diligence. I'm sticking with Canon, because that's the brand I've used since the '90s. Recently bought an R6 Mk II (and my main reaction was, why on earth did I wait so long?). Based on how that's gone, I've sold my trusty old 7D Mk II and Sigma 150-600 Sport, and will be picking up the R5 Mk II within the next couple of weeks. I've got the 100-500 and 200-800 lenses, and have found that my 24-105 EF works beautifully on the R6.2 via the EF > RF adapter. Very much looking forward to adding the R5.2 to my kit!
I enjoy this type of comparison video. The presenters are knowledgeable, witty, and fun to watch. The statement of the Sony product "getting old" does smack of pure consumerism. I hope PetaPixel can make a more concerted effort to evaluate and assess photo equipment rather than make a commercial pushing a never ending cycle of upgrades.
Sounds to me like it is a case of “if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with.” Some are better at some things but all are good.
I still love my sony A1 but when I held the Sony R5 I found it uncomfortable, I have never liked Canon as I feel they are just too big, but I do like the ergonomics of the Nikon.
So basically, this video is about what is best for Chris, not the viewer. Videos like this are nearly useless and do nothing but cause arguments. Great clickbait, though.
The chef is here and he's cooking truth bombs!
Anyone up for a light argument on this fine Saturday?! Just made a coffee and have a few minutes free to bicker back and forth with someone. Lets get ourselves all worked up before going on with our days, but constantly thinking back to how right you are and how wrong they were.
The A7RV is, for me, the perfect camera. At 70, with my shaky hands and my eyesight, the EVF resolution and the AF are just wonderful. I'm not into video or shooting high burst rates. I was looking for a stills centric camera. The A7RV is my number one!
The only negative I can think of is that it has made me a little bit lazy. The photos strait out of camera taken in auto mode are really good. Very little editing needed.
This is a great video and it really had a great conclusion. Sony has the best lens selection, but backed themselves into a corner with the pricing of the A1. Their flagship body is really just the mid tier offering for Canon and Nikon, but with two CF-Express card slots. It really doesn’t justify a $6500 price tag in 2024. The ARRV is a nice camera, but is also overpriced for what it is in a sense, because it doesn’t have the video features of its competitors. The Z8 and R5 II are great and the Canon may be better for fast action, but is worse in video. They’re all pretty balanced.
Love shootouts because i like seeing Chris juggle 4 cameras on him
Use canon 10 years ago and still loving it till today
I do think Lens lineups needs to be in the discussion. For instance, I use a macro for work, and I currently use a Canon EF-s body with an EF-s lens because the 35mm f/2.8 pairs very well with my work and there has never been a full frame equivalent of that lens. But were I to move to these, what options do I have? Cropped adapted lenses that don't benefit any of these. But Canon has a grand total of 1 native macro that can hit 1:1 magnification and it's not wide like the one I have, so to get the same thing natively, I need at least two lenses, which will cost somewhere in the range $1500+ compared to $350 for what I have. And this is because Canon (and Nikon) are limiting what third parties can offer while themselves not filling out the lineup with all the niches they used to offer. Sony on the other hand is filling up their lineup AND allows third party lenses AND works well with adapted lenses. In the end, as a Canon shooter now, Canon does not serve my needs.
And if I want a true equivalent to my EF-s body, Fuji also has a lens that fills my needs and has adaptor support.
the average professional is not shooting exclusively macro photography, even for prosumers it’s a niche lens.
😂😂😂 Boy you totally missed the video...
I agree and would not limit this to macro. The open mount gives Sony users a great advantage in lens choice and price.
Nikon has a great 50mm macro for the Z system. I love my Canon EF-S 35/2.8 but the Nikon 50/2.8 macro is lightweight, has great optics and can double as a compact walk-around lens.
All 3 are excellent. The only deficit is the person handling it. This is where your knowledge and experience matters....😊😊
Good round up, thanks.
I'm a Canon user, but I like Sony for its lens choice - like the 20-70mm. Which is a useful 20-105 in crop mode. As someone who doesn't like faffing with lens changes in the field, it's something the others simply don't have (And you can have the A7r5 in 'mini' form'...)
I like the comparison. Of course, who is ahead usually depends on who has the latest release. And, of course, cameras are useless without lenses. I would like to see comparisons of lenses in the most popular focal lengths from these manufacturers. And having done these comparisons for full frame cameras, maybe do them for apsc and mft cameras.
If there’s anything I took away from this video, it’s that Sony now has somewhat of a gap in their lineup compared to Canon/Nikon in that they don’t have a high end jack of all trades hybrid body. The A7III/A7IV is supposed to be that model in their lineup, but Canon/Nikon have now really carved out a new segment with both of their options. It seems like Sony needs a model with a higher resolution faster sensor that can shoot ~40-45mp photos and have better burst and video capabilities than the A7RV. The A7RV seems like a more specialized portrait/landscape camera compared to the other two cameras.
Yes. But the camera is also 2 years old, and they will probably release a new camera next year.
This is exactly why I left Sony. I had the Riv and wanted to shoot more sports so I waited to see what they were doing with the A9iii. When it came out at 24mp and $6k, I knew I was leaving Sony. I wanted to go with the Canon R5, but I love the Tamron 35-150 too much. So, Z8 it was, and is! Pretty happy with it so far!
Sony invented that category in case you missed it, the A1 is that jack of all trades, the problem is that it’s priced too high, but doesn’t really change what it is.
The A7RV is a specialised photography tool and likely remains as such, just as is likely the case with Nikon Z7iii once it comes out as for both brands that segment is still important to them.
So no they don’t have any hole in their lineup, what they lack is pricing the A1 accordingly to competitors
@@mikni4069 the A1 is a top tier flagship camera - it’s a segment above all of these cameras. The A1 competes with the Z9 and (theoretically) the R1, but IMO the Z9 and A1 are a tier above the R1 due to their higher resolution sensors.
If you want a fast sensor with more than 30mp and under $6k, you don’t have an option in Sony, but you do have one for both Canon and Nikon.
@@costafilh0 I think they will too, but it would be breaking from their traditional model segmentation - the regular A7 model has always been $2-2.5k, 20-30mp, jack of all trades but not necessarily a market leader in any one area. A7S has always been low res / fast sensor focused on video, A7R has always been high resolution but not a fast sensor, A9 has always been low-med resolution but with fast readout. If Sony were to release something that competes with the R5/Z8, they’d either have to build some hybrid between an A9/A7S but with A7R resolution. It would be an awesome camera no doubt, but would really disrupt their model lineup.
Long time Canon shooter, have had the R3 since it was launched. Picked up the R5II to use in conjunction with the R3. Used it for a month and returned it to B&H. Everyone has overhyped this camera, especially it's AF system. It's marginally better than the AF system of the R3. When using it for video rather than stills, it will still focus hunt despite the claims of being an "intelligent AI" system. The focus breathing is definitely better than previous Canon cameras, but do not expect it to be as intelligent as a lot of reviews have made it sound.
The only good thing I could say about this camera was that the addition of Clog2 was much better than Clog3. Video footage I filmed with the R5II definitely looked nicer than that of my R3. However, Canon really screwed the pooch with what video formatting is available as the options aren't as expansive as previous cameras; you're far more limited with what log/color space and what format you want (example, 4k highest quality is limited to h264 and not h265, etc).
Battery life is comically awful with this camera as well. Last little point I want to make. Yes, I have been spoiled with the R3 battery for years, but barely getting an hour out of a battery while filming 4k is pathetic in this day and age.
I'm glad I returned mine.
Great video. Love that you even say, "Who gives a s**t about the points!" as this kind of video is, for me, really about talking about what a camera is good at and where it falls short. I personally shoot Sony, and even though it fared worse because of your changes, I think you did a good job discussing how the cameras actually function.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I DESIRE
Thanks for the video. No mention of Pre-shot / pre capture on Sports Action.... Why?
As none of these cameras can work without a lens, IMHO there should be one more category: lens ecosystem.
The Z8 cant dual record video making it a wash for working hybrid shooters. You could argue the CFexpress card is more reliable than a regular SD card but why risk only having one video slot when even something like the R6II can dual record video.
and this is why I can't use it on pro video shoots. Stuck with my Sony A7s3 and FX30 for dual card slots. Not that they suck, but the Nikon image is just way better.
Even if they couldn't do it in RAW, I wish they could record at least the H265 to dual cards.
@@geoffreybassett6741 yes! 4K60 is certainly doable. My A7s3 can do it circa 2020.
The strange thing is that Nikon 8 has the best video, but I have not yet found a single video shot with this camera that is truly impressive and confirms this superiority.
All Nikons have had a pretty terrible Log Lut for a while, so that could be part of the problem. From what I've seen the Red Luts aren't much better (they're stylized and not neutral), but it's something I guess
Can't wait to see what Sony brings with the Sony a7R VI, probably next year. A global shutter would be cool, but apparently not even the Alpha II will have that.
Can you guys make your rankings with a point system? Like you said about Handling they all are really good. Having a score /100 with the 1, 2, and 3 rankings will help with context that even 3rd place Handling is still really good
Jordan, what do you think about 8k recording limit on Z8? Does it matter? Is it a shame to have a limit on a camera with such a price? Is there a chance Nikon will remove it in one of the future updates?
Omg jordan behind the fence 😅😂
A1. The LCD of an 8 year old camera. Top evf. Best electronic shutter dynamic range. 30fps full raw. Wifi issues. Lack of new features in software updates (although sony is trying maybe). Still the winner for me
Mulholland Drive Jordan caught me by surprise 😂
Yes!!! Someone caught it!
- Jordan
There is another Z8 vs R5ii comparison from The CameraVille that is interesting to watch.
Did I miss it or did you not even mention Canon R5 II burst rates? Also, for consistency you should've mentioned whether Sony has baked in noise reduction or not.
7:52 I’ll note that to achieve that 10 fps, you also actually have to drop to 12 bit color depth, as well. Love my a7rV, perfect camera for me…but it ain’t fast, lol.
Shit you are right. Also have to drop to lossy compressed RAW. Details at Sony site Limitations on recording 14 bit images in RAW format.
I recently took my A7R V to Alaska and it takes absolutely gorgeous photos, particularly the landscape with its high res sensor. However, the BSI sensor is too slow for almost any wildlife shooting.
First camera i had was Sony NEX-VG10, then Fuji xt2, then i went to Canon R6 ii many years later, then i had Lumix S1R, THEN full circle, back to A7s ii which i had, sold my S1R R6 and bought lenses and changed to A7r III, now ill say this, Sony a7 iii / Riii and bodies upwards,with the battery grip for the tele lenses for some nice balancing is handsdown the best body design for me, period.
for the R5m2 you should compare the detail of sRAW 4k 60 to 4k 30 clog 2. or even 4k30 sraw. Its got more detail in my testing, and I think its actually oversampled although no specs state this.
Love the review. Value may not be a big concern at this price point, but the Nikon Z8 is typically selling for 4 to 500 off which is quite a bit less than the Canon R5 II.
Hows the files handled on PC? I like how I can set up my canon to save the files in exact folder names and file names that I want with a logical suffix. Also super easy to connect with a usb c cable so no more hassle with sdcards. Are these things possible on nikon and sony?
To all these comments, i just like to thank Sony a7III, Sony's revolutionary camera for leading almost all manufacturers to innovate.
I think when you get tot he level of camera they are it is hard to say which is better . but for me how it feels in hand is important and I just love how the R5 feels also has a mechanical shutter that beats the Sony's electronical so add 4 points LOL
A lot is how you are going to use them and what for. its good that they are so close we all can pick which one we like the most
Z8 on TOP
@@stjepanjina do you own it? Have you tried the others?
petty fanboying...
@@adamwhittingham86 I've tried everything, the z8 is the hard all-round winner
On top of a garbage heap
I'm a stills shooter and rarely shoot video. Image quality is at the top of my most important list but medium format (including lenses) is out of my price range. I have a R5 Mark 1 and did not upgrade the to the Mark II as it did not have the improvements for me to justify upgrading. My expectation is Sony and Nikon will upgrade their A7R5 and Z8 (or Z7) within the next few months as the competition in a dwindling full frame camera market (less buyers) is fierce. I am really interested if there will be a Sony A7R6 as if I were to upgrade, that might be my direction.