BlackSaltAudio is going to release a new gate plugin soon! I'm curious how good it will be. Maybe we all will need only one plugin to gate snare etc. soon, haha
Dude every video you make is something new that we don't see in any other channel... your channel is a gift for all of us here on youtube. Thanks for your content!
Oxford drum gate is a killer alternative; has both an incredible gate and a drum leveler built in. You can even fine tune the decay frequencies so the fundamental decays slower than the top end.
Fabfilter Saturn has an amazing gate functionality for that, I'm not even sure it was intended this way, but it makes the cymbals almost fully disappear.
Oxford Drum Gate combines these two plugins into one. It doesn't work exactly the same way as De-Bleeder, but for fellow Mac users running current Mac OS I believe it's the best alternative. Very sad that Wilkinson is no longer supporting current Mac builds.
Don't over complicate things. Just double your track, inverse the phase on the 2nd track and add a Compressor on it. Fastest Attack, High Ratio. You will have much less spill and even amazing control over the release without sounding like plastic.
This is really useful. But I make it another way. 1. RX10 - debleed (for reference SNARE for source Overhead) - very impressive results 2. Saturn2 - dynamics knob for middle and high. 3. Drum leveler Result - almost clean sound of the snare and you can add what ever you want.
I saw one other person mention that Sonnox Oxford Drum Gate combines debleeding & leveling. That is true & Oxford Drum Gate is part of my processing chain. It cleans the close mic tracks up a lot but to finish off, I use Boz Digital Labs' Transgressor 2. The genius of that plugin is that it lets you EQ the transient & sustain portions separately. So, you can (for example) boost the crack of the transient while low passing the sustain, thus EQing out the remaining cymbal bleed from the drum's sustain. And you can do that while boosting the drum's fundamental tone in the sustain. It's an incredible tool. By the way, someone will probably mention that Eventide Split EQ allows you to EQ the attack & sustain separately too. That is true, but Transgressor does it a better way. With Split EQ, you can only EQ the 2 parts at the same frequency points. The attack & sustain EQs in Transgressor are completely independent of each other. Split EQs implementation is just a weird way to go about things to me.
work harder at the source...drop a room mic 6ft in front of the kit and listen to your playing on the mic... if you don't hear the balance between the drums and cymbals the way you need it.. change your playing dynamics. Once that sounds good, use all your mics and play that same way... that alone is better than plugins for most things.
The drums on this recording sound so good to me -- I mean, sure, I like aggressive drums dripping with samples for a modern metal production, but, my personal favorite tones are ones like these. Beautiful. I have drum leveler and I'm still kinda learning how to use it correctly -- will check out De-bleeder. Thanks Kohle!
If you have the channels and mics, I recommend using two mics at different sides of the snare drum. The other cancels hihat bleed and the other crash and ride bleed. (point the butts of the mics toward them) Then automate mutes accordingly. This way these tools have to do less work, and that's always better.
Debleeder is a great plugin. Used it for years but now you can't use it on a Mac anymore. Btw great video like always. I will check Drum Leveler, seem great too!
I use the AIXDSP Multiband gate for drums. There's something about the layout of the plugin that seems a little off to me; I feel like I'd prefer something as simple as De Bleeder and Drum Leveler like you are using. It probably seems lazy but the less time fussing with the plugin the better!
Black Salt Audio has a new plugin coming out. Looks to be some kind of drum gate. The audio examples were pretty compelling. Pretty much removed all the cymbal bleed without affecting the tone.
Addictive trigger. Don't make your life more difficult. Your OHs will fill in a lot of the room/natural sound anyway. Samples will deliver the punch. Think about your drums in the wider context. Just because your snare might sound muffled / weak in isolation, doesn't mean the OHs won't provide some of that when brought back in.
@@KohleAudioKultI'm sure we would all love to hear your take on the Nolly snare drum gate technique using Saturn! Maybe you could add your own twist to it like you did in the fake stereo guitar DI video.
@@KohleAudioKultyeah he published it on the ggd channel. Works extremely well and combines really good with debleeder or the sonnox gate. Hopefully they never change the algorithm of that one function inside Saturn. 😂
Great channel, thx for sharing that stuff!! Here's just one more idea: Duplicate the raw original snare track and send both - original and duplicate - into a new snare bus. Then flip the phase on the duplicated track and add a compressor to it. Set the Attack and Release times to your taste and get a snare without bleed. Do then all your processing on the new snare bus. I've forgotten where I learned that trick. It works fine and I sometimes use it. Keep on your great work Christian. Greets from the Pott. 😊
*Hi Kohle, a related question on snare tracks:* I have used your slip editing method to quantize the track. Now I wanted to spice it up by layering my recorded snare with a MIDI sample. I know that I can convert audio hitpoints to MIDI, but only for a single event. There are hundreds of snare hit events after quantizing. Is there a way for me to convert the whole snare track to MIDI hits in Cubase?
Very nice results man! Great video. Thanks much. I've tried many things over 30 years, and gotten some good results, but this de-bleeder seems to kick ass. Drumatom is OK too, but takes ever so slightly some of the fidelity away. All of them better than the old way...freq controlled noise gate. Thanks again for the nice tip and video!
Hey Chris, kennst du Drumatom? inzwischen von Meta gekauft.. war eine Art Magic Thing - damit kann man HH bleed aus der Snare aber auch umgekehrt Snare aus dem HH Track oder generell Bleed aus den Tomtracks entfernen.. sehr interessant.. gruss
Hab ich damals probiert. War durch den Offlinemodus umständlich, sehr unflexibel und klang nicht wirklich geil. Aber vielleicht ist das heute alles verbessert?
@@KohleAudioKult Es gab einen Bridge Plugin, vom Prinzip ähnlich wie bei Melodyne, dass die bearbeiteten Tracks in der Session abspielen liess. Eine andere Option - ein Workaround von Glenn Fricker - wo man in der Session zwischen bearbeitet und unbearbeitet blenden konnte.. Die Ergebnisse waren nicht immer überzeugend, doch manchmal sehr beeindruckend wie ich fand )
Debleeder is awesome... but under MacOS Ventura it sometimes (at least in LogicX Rosetta Mode... which is unfortunatelly needed for melodyne in ARA mode) causes crashes... (officially its not supported under Mac Silicon which is very sad)
I was really sad to find out i couldn’t use Debleeder anymore on my new M2 Mac. It’s a great tool and i’ll miss it. I’ll need something else, maybe the Sonnox one.
9:14 Automating the threshold would archive the same thing, right? Do you have more differences in processing for more dynamic snare sections? Or do you simply prefere the visual assurance of having two tracks with set settings? Anyways thanks for sharing, this is really working wonders!
Hi. Long time watching your great videos, first time commenting on one. I don't have those plugins but... For the debleeder trick, in the past I used izotopes multiband expander, sidechained from a second snare track with an eq that was used like the fundamental knob. Maybe the drum leveler can be replaced by waves vocal rider and a normal gate vst. What is your opinion?
Welcome to the comments section! Sounds like you have found some great work-arounds that do the same thing. I don’t think that vocal rider has the right detection for the job though.
Can you or anyone break down the midi sample thing with the room mics? How does that work? You record a good snare and kick hit then save it as a .wav file then insert on the kick/snare with the Steven Slate plugin or pasting?
It basically works like that. I always use the samples from the session and mostly way more than one. Kome join Kohle Audio Kult to learn stuff like this 👍🏻
A trick i like to use to reduce bleed is with fabfilter Saturn. Ill make a single band split at around 1k and on the high side of the split, ill turn the dynamics knob all the way down. Then slide the band crossover point around to taste. Usually works like a charm. Not 100% but almost every time its all i really need to do.
@@KohleAudioKult I'm going to be perfectly honest with ya. I do not know how to use an expander so I've never even tried to use one. I understand its similar to a compressor but I don't actually know what's going on at all. If this technique is like an expander, I would have never guessed. I actually discovered this messing with a live vocal track that had some drum bleed on it. I was mostly just clicking around trying to figure out how to tame back the drums without using a gate. The way I understand that knob is that it takes content out of the signal when I turn it down and it adds content when I turn it up. Due to the nature of the plugin I assume its all harmonics or saturation its changing. It doesn't seem to be doing the whole transient designer thing. Its not making the rest of the signal more punchy but it is basically only leaving the transient behind and usually reduced. So to get the highs out without damaging the body of the vocals I added a crossover frequency. I ended up not liking the way it worked out. I mean it was usable but I took a different approach. But I did end up trying this on the snare of the same project and it worked REALLY well for me. Hey if you have time to fit it into your schedule. Id love to see a video from you on the topic of expanders. Thanks for what you do here!!!
I bought and used Debleeder for quite a few albums when it first came out, but then it kind of simmered down for me. Just went to install it again, but it doesn't work on any current Mac, unfortunately.
Thanks brother! It's wild just how helpful those two plugins are. This was my favorite (and also my first full) song to mix way back when and I can finally use DeBleeder now (new PC instead of my Mac) instead of having to mess around with poltergate like last time. I look very forward to working with that plugin now and I have that same shirt too! :D
@@KohleAudioKult In my case, it actually was! DeBleeder is available up until the end of OS/X 10.x for Mac. Right around the time Big Sur (11.x) came out, Wilkinson Audio made a decision not to continue the Mac version of DeBleeder because Apple changed the way some of the security policies in the OS worked and it made their existing implementation incompatible so they decided not to do a re-write. Unfortunately, Big Sur is what's on my Mac. As a software engineer myself, I totally get the frustration of dealing with Apple or their APIs. Thank you kindly, buddy! I wore my "the bass needs more dangle" shirt out with my fiancee (the bass player) the other day too and she loved it :D I'll see you soon in the Kult! Btw, two weeks ago I asked Glenn Fricker to give you a high-five from me when he's in your neck of the woods and he said he would. If he just randomly high-fives you, that's from me lol.
@@KohleAudioKult yes, I loved debleeder, however, they refuse to do an update for the past several years for Mac. It will not work anymore. I emailed them begging for them to update and I will even buy the plug in again. I don't get it lol
Sound Radix Drum Leveler is an indispensable tool to me, especially for metal drums. Along with Auto-Align and Pi, they are pretty much key to a great sounding drum mix! I bought their Radical Bundle for $499 on sale, and it's one of the best investments in software I've made (along with Reaper, the Fabfilter Pro bundle and the Tokyo Dawn bundle).
Dude! Seriously good work! This is what so many of us bedroom engineers are lacking. I have just cheap SM57's on all my toms and I try to gate and compress them. But nothing works
I bought both of those plug-ins today from your links and for the first time ever my drum mix sounds great! Next I wanna try to explore side chaining the snare to the room mic. To make the snare pop more
The freeware "Cymbal killer" is a dedicated plugin for this purpose, i use it myself and i think it can make a lot of difference but its not the perfect solution of course.
Wish debleeder still worked for M1 Mac’s. I used it for years and they stopped updating it. Since upgrading my Mac (had no choice), debleeder no longer works!
My issue has to be I'm not hitting consistently hard enough because my snare tracks sound just like these, just can't get them in the mix loud enough w/o clipping. I've been watching & applying your tips for a few years & I'm concluding that my body's too battered to perform how I need & that's making it hard to get a good gain stage.
none of that seems likely. at least from a mix perspective. Just lower all the gains and turn up you speakers... then you won't peg your tracks faders. If your snare sounds "just like these" then you are likely hitting okay and apparently not clipping your interface. So, most of that still comes down to getting better mixing skills starting at lowering all your faders and dropping a trim on some tracks perhaps.
@@morbidmanmusic I tried side chaining the gate & it seems to be the solution. I have the volume I was looking for & doesn't seem to be altering the sound
@@KohleAudioKult Its both. The material is really dynamic (ghosts & blast beats in the same songs) & my health & age makes it really hard to have the control, stamina, & strength I used to have. But I think I resolved my issue by throwing the gate on a side chain. I'm getting the volume I was looking for while maintaining the sound & everything else.
@andrewjacobs5579 Drum Leveler really helps to prepare a dynamic performance for a noise gate. You might also wanna split the snare into two tracks with different noise gate settings like I describe it in the video.
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How do you like the plugin combination? Which plugins do you use?
I use Sonnox Oxford Gate and Fabfilter Saturn 2/Pro MB. The Oxford Gate has a leveler section built in as well!
Oh yeah. That Sonnox thingy seems to combine a whole bunch of useful tools. Still need to try it!
@@KohleAudioKult yeah, you definitely should! That decay frequency selector is crazy! It's the magic of this plugin.
another guy using sonnox here!
BlackSaltAudio is going to release a new gate plugin soon! I'm curious how good it will be. Maybe we all will need only one plugin to gate snare etc. soon, haha
Dude every video you make is something new that we don't see in any other channel... your channel is a gift for all of us here on youtube. Thanks for your content!
So cool to hear that! Spread the word! 🍺🖤
Oxford drum gate is a killer alternative; has both an incredible gate and a drum leveler built in. You can even fine tune the decay frequencies so the fundamental decays slower than the top end.
Fabfilter Saturn has an amazing gate functionality for that, I'm not even sure it was intended this way, but it makes the cymbals almost fully disappear.
Oxford Drum Gate combines these two plugins into one. It doesn't work exactly the same way as De-Bleeder, but for fellow Mac users running current Mac OS I believe it's the best alternative. Very sad that Wilkinson is no longer supporting current Mac builds.
Same here.
Thinking about using the PC just for debleeding the snare, forgot how well Debleeder works.
FabFilter Saturn 2 dog… best debleeder in existence.
@@BeatsAndMeats, debleed with Saturn 🤔 ?
@@philipbaum5929 Search Nolly Eliminating Cymbal Bleed with Saturn
@@philipbaum5929set the high frequency around 1000 and turn down the dynamics knob
Don't over complicate things. Just double your track, inverse the phase on the 2nd track and add a Compressor on it. Fastest Attack, High Ratio. You will have much less spill and even amazing control over the release without sounding like plastic.
Amazing tip! And no need to buy plugins.
Awesome, always doing something similar to this with my snare. Thanks. Greetings from Ukraine.
This is really useful. But I make it another way.
1. RX10 - debleed (for reference SNARE for source Overhead) - very impressive results
2. Saturn2 - dynamics knob for middle and high.
3. Drum leveler
Result - almost clean sound of the snare and you can add what ever you want.
And if I need more - use fab filter pro-mb expand
Isn’t the RX Debleed an offline process?
At least it used to be like that.
@@KohleAudioKult yes, you right it’s offline process- but it gives you best results on my opinion
Thank You for sharing 😊
I saw one other person mention that Sonnox Oxford Drum Gate combines debleeding & leveling. That is true & Oxford Drum Gate is part of my processing chain. It cleans the close mic tracks up a lot but to finish off, I use Boz Digital Labs' Transgressor 2. The genius of that plugin is that it lets you EQ the transient & sustain portions separately. So, you can (for example) boost the crack of the transient while low passing the sustain, thus EQing out the remaining cymbal bleed from the drum's sustain. And you can do that while boosting the drum's fundamental tone in the sustain. It's an incredible tool.
By the way, someone will probably mention that Eventide Split EQ allows you to EQ the attack & sustain separately too. That is true, but Transgressor does it a better way. With Split EQ, you can only EQ the 2 parts at the same frequency points. The attack & sustain EQs in Transgressor are completely independent of each other. Split EQs implementation is just a weird way to go about things to me.
Sounds interesting! I'll have a look.
The saturn 2 is the best solution for this situation. Debleeder is a great too, but i love how fast saturn 2 can be.
Perfect timing. I've been having fits getting a good snare track without sampling & a ton of other stuff.
You’re welcome 😜
work harder at the source...drop a room mic 6ft in front of the kit and listen to your playing on the mic... if you don't hear the balance between the drums and cymbals the way you need it.. change your playing dynamics. Once that sounds good, use all your mics and play that same way... that alone is better than plugins for most things.
The drums on this recording sound so good to me -- I mean, sure, I like aggressive drums dripping with samples for a modern metal production, but, my personal favorite tones are ones like these. Beautiful. I have drum leveler and I'm still kinda learning how to use it correctly -- will check out De-bleeder. Thanks Kohle!
If you have the channels and mics, I recommend using two mics at different sides of the snare drum. The other cancels hihat bleed and the other crash and ride bleed. (point the butts of the mics toward them) Then automate mutes accordingly. This way these tools have to do less work, and that's always better.
Bought and will practise. Thanks for sharing.
Debleeder is a great plugin. Used it for years but now you can't use it on a Mac anymore. Btw great video like always. I will check Drum Leveler, seem great too!
Saturn 2 can do it better. Try "dynamics" knob
I’m pretty sure you can use tominator on Mac still 🤘🏾
@@j-katinfusino4930 Tominator works on Mac, yes. But so far, I haven't been able to get it to work well...
Sonible SmartGate works on Macs and has a variety of possibilities.
@@AntonVorozhtsov The dynamics knob turned counterclockwise, for the uninitiated!
I use the AIXDSP Multiband gate for drums. There's something about the layout of the plugin that seems a little off to me; I feel like I'd prefer something as simple as De Bleeder and Drum Leveler like you are using. It probably seems lazy but the less time fussing with the plugin the better!
Black Salt Audio has a new plugin coming out. Looks to be some kind of drum gate. The audio examples were pretty compelling. Pretty much removed all the cymbal bleed without affecting the tone.
I’ll check it out! Thanks
I also highly recommend using a heil pr 31 on snare...it rejects so much outside of the direction of the capsule as well.
Addictive trigger. Don't make your life more difficult. Your OHs will fill in a lot of the room/natural sound anyway. Samples will deliver the punch.
Think about your drums in the wider context. Just because your snare might sound muffled / weak in isolation, doesn't mean the OHs won't provide some of that when brought back in.
For me, Fab Filter Saturn 2 is a must! Works on snare but is also very good on toms ! Thanks for your tips!
I thought like: Why do so many people have the idea to use a distortion plugin to clean the snare?
Now I realized there was a Nolly video! 😇
yes, I think everyone should thanks Nolly for that trick, but your seems really good to! Can't wait to try it ! @@KohleAudioKult
@@KohleAudioKultI'm sure we would all love to hear your take on the Nolly snare drum gate technique using Saturn! Maybe you could add your own twist to it like you did in the fake stereo guitar DI video.
@@KohleAudioKultyeah he published it on the ggd channel. Works extremely well and combines really good with debleeder or the sonnox gate. Hopefully they never change the algorithm of that one function inside Saturn. 😂
Great channel, thx for sharing that stuff!!
Here's just one more idea: Duplicate the raw original snare track and send both - original and duplicate - into a new snare bus. Then flip the phase on the duplicated track and add a compressor to it. Set the Attack and Release times to your taste and get a snare without bleed. Do then all your processing on the new snare bus.
I've forgotten where I learned that trick. It works fine and I sometimes use it.
Keep on your great work Christian. Greets from the Pott. 😊
I know that one! It’s kinda cool, but you gotta be careful with the settings on dynamic material.
*Hi Kohle, a related question on snare tracks:*
I have used your slip editing method to quantize the track. Now I wanted to spice it up by layering my recorded snare with a MIDI sample. I know that I can convert audio hitpoints to MIDI, but only for a single event. There are hundreds of snare hit events after quantizing. Is there a way for me to convert the whole snare track to MIDI hits in Cubase?
Just consolidate the snippets into one file and generate hit points / midi notes. 5 clicks!
Very nice results man! Great video. Thanks much. I've tried many things over 30 years, and gotten some good results, but this de-bleeder seems to kick ass. Drumatom is OK too, but takes ever so slightly some of the fidelity away. All of them better than the old way...freq controlled noise gate. Thanks again for the nice tip and video!
Thanks man!
Drumatom never did it for me and was kinda complicated to handle. But that was years ago, maybe it's better these days.
Hey Chris, kennst du Drumatom? inzwischen von Meta gekauft.. war eine Art Magic Thing - damit kann man HH bleed aus der Snare aber auch umgekehrt Snare aus dem HH Track oder generell Bleed aus den Tomtracks entfernen.. sehr interessant.. gruss
Hab ich damals probiert. War durch den Offlinemodus umständlich, sehr unflexibel und klang nicht wirklich geil.
Aber vielleicht ist das heute alles verbessert?
@@KohleAudioKult Es gab einen Bridge Plugin, vom Prinzip ähnlich wie bei Melodyne, dass die bearbeiteten Tracks in der Session abspielen liess. Eine andere Option - ein Workaround von Glenn Fricker - wo man in der Session zwischen bearbeitet und unbearbeitet blenden konnte.. Die Ergebnisse waren nicht immer überzeugend, doch manchmal sehr beeindruckend wie ich fand )
That drum leveler makes it sound like a drum computer
Kohle... do you run a limiter on your busses ? and if so... before they all hit your mix buss?
Never heard of these but hot damn! I'm gonna get these tonight. Wow
Debleeder is awesome... but under MacOS Ventura it sometimes (at least in LogicX Rosetta Mode... which is unfortunatelly needed for melodyne in ARA mode) causes crashes...
(officially its not supported under Mac Silicon which is very sad)
Sonnox Oxford Gate is what I use! It's the best I've ever tried!
I was really sad to find out i couldn’t use Debleeder anymore on my new M2 Mac. It’s a great tool and i’ll miss it. I’ll need something else, maybe the Sonnox one.
Third comment like that. I wasn’t aware it’s only available for Windows right now.
9:14 Automating the threshold would archive the same thing, right?
Do you have more differences in processing for more dynamic snare sections?
Or do you simply prefere the visual assurance of having two tracks with set settings?
Anyways thanks for sharing, this is really working wonders!
It’s usually just faster with two tracks compared to automation. But of course both works!
You should really try this with the Boz digital Transgressor
Try Nolly’s Fabfilter Saturn trick for gating
Hi. Long time watching your great videos, first time commenting on one. I don't have those plugins but... For the debleeder trick, in the past I used izotopes multiband expander, sidechained from a second snare track with an eq that was used like the fundamental knob. Maybe the drum leveler can be replaced by waves vocal rider and a normal gate vst. What is your opinion?
Welcome to the comments section!
Sounds like you have found some great work-arounds that do the same thing. I don’t think that vocal rider has the right detection for the job though.
How close does the stock cubase gate get compared to DeBleeder? I like the outcome with it and may pick it up. Typically pulling up Trigger 2 now.
Not close. It’s a different concept. Debleeder‘s processing is frequency dependent and quite a bit more complex.
Can you or anyone break down the midi sample thing with the room mics? How does that work? You record a good snare and kick hit then save it as a .wav file then insert on the kick/snare with the Steven Slate plugin or pasting?
I’m curious because that sounded amazing. It reminded me of CLA’s big roomy airy drum sound.
It basically works like that. I always use the samples from the session and mostly way more than one.
Kome join Kohle Audio Kult to learn stuff like this 👍🏻
@@KohleAudioKult I’ll consider it my friend! Thanks for getting back to me!
What do you do if your hihat bleed is louder than the ghost notes on the snare?
Talk to the drummer during the session! But sure: There’s a limit for everything.
Any tricks for reducing cymbal bleed on vocals in live recordings without losing a ton of top end on the voice?
Yeah don't stand in front of the drumset 😂
Using Oxford drum gate since my precious de bleeder is no longer supported….
A trick i like to use to reduce bleed is with fabfilter Saturn. Ill make a single band split at around 1k and on the high side of the split, ill turn the dynamics knob all the way down. Then slide the band crossover point around to taste. Usually works like a charm. Not 100% but almost every time its all i really need to do.
This is For snare and toms. Felt I should clarify.
That’s basically like a high end expander, right?
Yes it’s really expander for highs
@@KohleAudioKult I'm going to be perfectly honest with ya. I do not know how to use an expander so I've never even tried to use one. I understand its similar to a compressor but I don't actually know what's going on at all. If this technique is like an expander, I would have never guessed.
I actually discovered this messing with a live vocal track that had some drum bleed on it. I was mostly just clicking around trying to figure out how to tame back the drums without using a gate. The way I understand that knob is that it takes content out of the signal when I turn it down and it adds content when I turn it up. Due to the nature of the plugin I assume its all harmonics or saturation its changing. It doesn't seem to be doing the whole transient designer thing. Its not making the rest of the signal more punchy but it is basically only leaving the transient behind and usually reduced. So to get the highs out without damaging the body of the vocals I added a crossover frequency. I ended up not liking the way it worked out. I mean it was usable but I took a different approach. But I did end up trying this on the snare of the same project and it worked REALLY well for me.
Hey if you have time to fit it into your schedule. Id love to see a video from you on the topic of expanders. Thanks for what you do here!!!
On Steinberg Channel there is a video for debleeding toms with SpectraLayers 10 . I will try it on snare too !
Can you give me the link?
@@KohleAudioKult yes ! ruclips.net/video/EM-bb_fV5d8/видео.htmlsi=sq8TdSxzl-KvuC6P
I bought and used Debleeder for quite a few albums when it first came out, but then it kind of simmered down for me. Just went to install it again, but it doesn't work on any current Mac, unfortunately.
The Mac situation sucks indeed. I didn’t know that when making the video
Cymbals can be a nightmare man! It's impossible to get rid of the thing! Will definitely try all those tips!
Thanks brother! It's wild just how helpful those two plugins are. This was my favorite (and also my first full) song to mix way back when and I can finally use DeBleeder now (new PC instead of my Mac) instead of having to mess around with poltergate like last time.
I look very forward to working with that plugin now and I have that same shirt too! :D
I didn’t know Debleeder was PC only!
Congratz on the sexy shirt buddy! 😇
I see you in the Kult!
@@KohleAudioKult In my case, it actually was! DeBleeder is available up until the end of OS/X 10.x for Mac. Right around the time Big Sur (11.x) came out, Wilkinson Audio made a decision not to continue the Mac version of DeBleeder because Apple changed the way some of the security policies in the OS worked and it made their existing implementation incompatible so they decided not to do a re-write. Unfortunately, Big Sur is what's on my Mac. As a software engineer myself, I totally get the frustration of dealing with Apple or their APIs.
Thank you kindly, buddy! I wore my "the bass needs more dangle" shirt out with my fiancee (the bass player) the other day too and she loved it :D
I'll see you soon in the Kult! Btw, two weeks ago I asked Glenn Fricker to give you a high-five from me when he's in your neck of the woods and he said he would. If he just randomly high-fives you, that's from me lol.
@@KohleAudioKult yes, I loved debleeder, however, they refuse to do an update for the past several years for Mac. It will not work anymore. I emailed them begging for them to update and I will even buy the plug in again. I don't get it lol
Sound Radix Drum Leveler is an indispensable tool to me, especially for metal drums. Along with Auto-Align and Pi, they are pretty much key to a great sounding drum mix! I bought their Radical Bundle for $499 on sale, and it's one of the best investments in software I've made (along with Reaper, the Fabfilter Pro bundle and the Tokyo Dawn bundle).
Great products for sure!
Not a big fan of auto-aligning drum tracks personally though.
@@KohleAudioKultSame here, in logic and Luna it sounds awful!!!!!
Dude! Seriously good work! This is what so many of us bedroom engineers are lacking. I have just cheap SM57's on all my toms and I try to gate and compress them. But nothing works
Toms cab be bitchy though 😫
I bought both of those plug-ins today from your links and for the first time ever my drum mix sounds great! Next I wanna try to explore side chaining the snare to the room mic. To make the snare pop more
I haven't seen a dedicated plugin for this purpose yet, but it seems that AI would be the best for removing bleed from multitrack. Anyone?
I think Drumagog is an offline tool that analyzes the multitracks intelligently to remove cymbal bleed. It just doesn't sound that great, haha!
The freeware "Cymbal killer" is a dedicated plugin for this purpose, i use it myself and i think it can make a lot of difference but its not the perfect solution of course.
Have you tested the new AI gate!? Seems like a game changer to me. well maybe not for you because these two are also great!
Which one are you talking about?
@@KohleAudioKult smar:gate by sonible. Saw another guy try it out and it seems like an insane time saver
beautifull❤
Wish debleeder still worked for M1 Mac’s. I used it for years and they stopped updating it. Since upgrading my Mac (had no choice), debleeder no longer works!
I wasn’t aware of that. 🫣😫
My issue has to be I'm not hitting consistently hard enough because my snare tracks sound just like these, just can't get them in the mix loud enough w/o clipping. I've been watching & applying your tips for a few years & I'm concluding that my body's too battered to perform how I need & that's making it hard to get a good gain stage.
none of that seems likely. at least from a mix perspective. Just lower all the gains and turn up you speakers... then you won't peg your tracks faders. If your snare sounds "just like these" then you are likely hitting okay and apparently not clipping your interface. So, most of that still comes down to getting better mixing skills starting at lowering all your faders and dropping a trim on some tracks perhaps.
Are your hits too soft compared to the cymbals or is the snare drum performance too dynamic?
@@morbidmanmusic I tried side chaining the gate & it seems to be the solution. I have the volume I was looking for & doesn't seem to be altering the sound
@@KohleAudioKult Its both. The material is really dynamic (ghosts & blast beats in the same songs) & my health & age makes it really hard to have the control, stamina, & strength I used to have.
But I think I resolved my issue by throwing the gate on a side chain. I'm getting the volume I was looking for while maintaining the sound & everything else.
@andrewjacobs5579 Drum Leveler really helps to prepare a dynamic performance for a noise gate.
You might also wanna split the snare into two tracks with different noise gate settings like I describe it in the video.
I use *way* too many ghost notes for this type of de-bleed to work. :/
I just use two tracks for that. One with the ghost note parts and less processing
Instead of using 2 separate tracks for dynamic snare signals I'd prefer automatisation.
Sure. Just a matter of preference.
No gate?
I’m using the gate inside Drum leveler. That’s Step 2.
Can you use it for Tom’s too.?
@@Abzshred I imagine you could, same principle just a different fundamental transient with longer release. Just guessing 🤔
@@Abzshred yes
bruv, sonible smart gate and call it a day. under 3 seconds perfect gating.
What so cool about it?