How a Suzanne Vega Song Helped Create the MP3
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024
- Karlheinz Brandenburg has listened to Suzanne Vega’s “Tom’s Diner” thousands of times and never tires of it. In fact, the song holds a special place in his heart because it was instrumental in the creation of the MP3. The German engineer and mathematician is known as the father of the digital audio format. Brandenburg explains how he found a way to compress Vega’s a cappella track into an MP3 file that sounded as good as a CD, forever altering the way music is distributed.
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Suzanne Vega is seriously one of the most underrated singer songwriters ever. He song Luka (prob her most famous song), about child abuse, gave a name to victims at a time when the issue was unspoken about.
I do not know about underrated. I mean, everyone 30-40 knows who she is. As to the lyrics, some of us pay attention to them only after we have heard those songs literally thousands of times.
@@aTrulyPowerfulSpirit When I say underrated what I really mean is because, at that time, you couldn't put her in a particular genre. When other singers and songwriters comfortably saddled pop or other genres, she was more folksy. During the time Sinead O`Connor accused Vega of writing boring songs when that was far from the truth. Vega writes immersive and poignant lyrics that always told a story. The fact that you say that you only pay attention to her lyrics only after having heard it thousands of times kinda proves my point of why she's underrated.
@@rumblefish9 She’s a folk singer. Of course you can put her in a category.
.mp3 was groundbreaking and still holds his own to this day in a world of .ape, .flac, .m4a, etc. This team really outdid themselves.
ur an .ape
@@JamesSmith-xo9cx I'll take it :"D
@T H E C H I C H E N flac > wav
I still prefer mp3 over the "exotic" sound formats
It’s funny, now .mp3 is going away, and vinyl and CDs are on their way back. Own your media, just say NO to streaming!
Suzanne Vega is incredible in person. Absolutely one of the best artists in concert I've ever heard. Pure talent and incredibly personable.
Thank You Dr.Brandenberg!!.... FYI I recorded Tom's Diner into a Nakamichi DMP-100 digital processor, not wanting to add any tape hiss to the original recording. The master was a Betamax tape! Little did we know we were recording a reference standard!!! How can we live without the MP3?? It is an amazing technology. Steve Addabbo, Producer/Engineer Suzanne Vega/Solitude Standing
incredible
Why does this guy don't have a Nobel prize ?
He has had more influence in music than anyone else in the whole history of mankind ...
Nobel prize is not the right benchmark, they fucking gave it to Hitler
You need lobby for Nobel. You didnt know it ??
I'm not sure where you guys take recommendations, but this story really reminded me of Gurdeep Singh-Pall, the inventor of the VPN and the main founder of Skype. I did a presentation on him a while back and his story really would fit your video's style. Just popped in my head watching this one.
I bet GBS will upload thid.
Gurdeep Singh-Pall is not a founder of Skype, Niklas Zennström and Janus Friis are the founders.
Skype founders are Nikalas Zennström from Sweden and a Danish guy called Janus Friis. The software was written by some Estonian guys. That I know for sure but who the hell is gurdeep singh-pall?.
I never knew anything about this, and it's a really fascinating story!
Did Karl-Heinz ever meet Suzan? That's an important journalistic question which wasn't answered!
Steffen W. Schilke I completely agree with you.
Who cares?
@@cheesebusiness Bruh...
Leonaяdo DiCapяio Someone cares enough to ask the question. So what’s it to you?
I think he would've mentioned that if he did don't you?
Not all heroes wear capes , thank you for the MP3 🔥🔥
Classic song.
"I raise my head
There's a woman
On the outside
Looking inside
Does she see me?
No, she does not"
Suzanne Vega is seriously one of the most underrated singer songwriters ever. Her song Luka (prob her most famous song), about child abuse, gave a name to victims at a time when the issue was unspoken about.
B C well, that’s kinda what haiku poetry is all about, isn’t it? Just one moment in time that somehow felt special and meaningful to the poet
Rotten Apple Luka is a fantastic, layered song, it sounds upbeat until you hear the lyrics. And in some languages in South-East Asia, ‘luka’ can mean ‘to bleed’, or ‘injured’, or ‘in pain’. An interesting coincidence.
Another great work from this channel! 👏👏 short, interesting, and well written.
thank you. i just found one of the best song that i ever listened
I would like to thank the folks who created youtube2mp3. You guys are gods!
you know its good because of that german voice
*Qualität*
Gonna grab some Beyerdynamics and listen to Suzanne Vega on mp3 right now!
Lei Siz Paks DT1770 Pro?
Thank you for the subtitles!
1:49 not actually uncompressed because all the audio in this video is compressed but shows how far this amazing technology has come.
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The real tragedy is that they’re using a crosley
On the bright side, crosley is a gateway to better record players.
I have that.
I know right that thing ruined my records
@@loreninavloggingcup dull needle.
I just said to myself: “not the crosley cruiser”
The human race have developed to be able to detect really tiny differences in the looks and sounds from other humans, so just like Vega's voice was the gold standard for the first successful music compression format, (www.wired.com/story/finding-lena-the-patron-saint-of-jpegs/") a playboy image of Lena Forsen was used as the reference when developing the jpeg image standard which is used everywhere now.
There are many interesting issues with sound compression, MP3 when it first appeared it would typically use 128 kbit/s which is approximately an order of magnitude compression. It does this with the main workhorse being the IMDCT, (Inverse Modified Discrete Cosine Transform), in the mp3 format we have a 17-point block size. Pretty much all later formats, including Apple's AAC and the open source Ogg Vorbis (Ogg is the frame format, Vorbis is the actual code) get approximately another factor of two improvements, so nothing like that initial huge step, and they all use the IMDCT as a big part of their coding.
Many years ago when Ogg Vorbis was new I managed to write the world's fastest decoder for the format, significantly beating the best available commercial code.
How fast would it compress let's say, 10 mins of audio?
@@thedipperman5106 Back when mp3 was invented the compression speed was just 2 to 10 times real time, ie a full 60 min CD took anywhere from 6 to 30 minutes depending on the cpu available and the required quality. The good thing is that most such codecs are optimized for faster decompression since you only need to compress once.
@@TerjeMathisen interesting.
One more question.
How fast could your homemade decoder go?
@@thedipperman5106 This is many years ago, so I can't guarantee the numbers, but it was on the order of 20 to 50 X real time while running on a single core, decoding several streams.
@@TerjeMathisen phew!
that probably would have been helpful to at least some geeks.
Thanks for that info. Cheers.
Suzanne Vega is underrated as hell
A really lovely story! Thanks!
2:41 The only thing is that this should have been AOL's Webcrawler, not Google.
Suzanne vega sounds like a street fighter character
Hahaha hahaha 😂😂😂😂
Hahahaha....
Perhaps it's because Vega literally is the name of a Street Fighter character.
@@posysdogovych2065 Really weird how someone with the same name as a Street Fighter character sounds like a Street Fighter character. Crazy how nature do that.
@@RadioactiveMoth That is crazy. Like how many coincidences are there like that? Know what else reminds me of Street Fighter characters? Buffaloes, and the Spanish word for the color white, and anyone who's sly or cunning, or ambulance sirens that go "ree-ooh! ree-ooh!" or that chubby guy from Pawn Stars, or that dude with the eye patch that sang "Funk Dat" or literally everyone named Ken. The universe is truly amazing.
Huge thanks from me. To Susan and Karl. Fraunhofer rocked. Still does.
I still remember my amazement when I compressed a huge wav file into an mp3 for the first time. From 100+mb to less than 3mb! Man!
But amazement quickly gave way to frustration, when I realized that my Pentium 75Mhz was too slow actually play that mp3 without massive jitters 😂
Probably it was a good thing that your computer wasn't able to play that song because with such amounts of data compression it would have sounded horrible.
@@XEinstein well spotted, Cpt Hindsight. Thank you for pointing out the flawed logic I applied as a teenager in the mid-90s when using some piece of novel software for the first time in my life.
Ohh, when I still was at the TU Ilmenau, I walked past this guy so many times and never knew who he is
shame!!!
Love that song. Luka too! :)
When a song changes the whole world,
You know it's good, real good.
You always gotta use your *_dubstep weapon_* to fight against your enmities. That’s why the CD has had severe depression ever since the MP3 was created
I think the person being interveiwd is way more clearer than the narrator himself.
3:00 well the next time you're streaming a song, you're likely streaming from Spotify and you'll be hearing Ogg Vorbis. Not mp3.
Now I am considering using spotify. ogg vorbis is a great format if used wisely - not that mp3 are worse.
Ogg vorbis, AAC and other proprietary formats all stemmed from the lessons learned creating MP3. Just like MPEG 2 for video, MP3 is where audio compression finally reached that critical good enough for mass consumption point.
@@Simi69 ogg vorbis is open lmao, although opus is way better and should replace everything else
I smiled when the video said we are listening to the "uncompressed" version.
Because - due to the success of MP3 and it's descendants! - pretty much any sound you hear today on a digital device has undergone compression. AFAIK, sound on RUclips are compressed using AAC, a successor to MP3.
Karl you are amazing
Thank you.
Tom's Diner is A Classic
Thank you 😁
Its really cool song. There is even easter egg in CyperPunk refresing toms dinner
I remember someone made a song using the remaining MP3 residue of the song.
Look up ModernisT/Ghost in the MP3 if you are interested.
Pretty neat experimental music/collage art/musique Concrete.
Wow. So MP3 was the first invention with both mother and father.
The "uncompressed" audio bit is still compressed, with whatever audio CODEC RUclips uses for your player (opus or AAC depending on browser).
limewire was my jam man. got all my mp3s there lol
i'm sitting on the toilet i had to take a dookie
Hopes you gots dookie paper
If you're trying to fit the rythm of the song then it would go:
"I am sitt-ing on the toi-let [brief pause] and I had to take a dookie"
Ju's sayin'
-shafa aufa- same. Just pinched it off. Time to wipe!
Everything I never wanted to know about the MP3 format
I see compression codecs as largely redundant now, since storage is big & cheap. I listen to my music in wav format for the highest quality on a USB stick. At 64GB, one can fit nearly 1000 songs which is more than enough to listen to
It reminds me the story of Lena Forsén used in image processing ...
Killer of the music industry.
Going to play Suzzane Vega's song Caramel.
She really is the OG ASMR... her voice is mesmerizing
So my Favorite song created MP3
Hail All Great Father of MP3 ✌
Wow! NIce!
This mp3 invention blew open the door for the illegal file sharing explosion.
Are "Susan" and "Suzanne" pronounced the same in the UK? This British-sounding announcer says the latter as I might say the former (as an American). We would put the emphasis on the second syllable in Suzanne Vega's name.
I was wondering the same thing.
I'd say that after listening to this earworm of a song for numerous times, it must have turned into an ear itch, until someone corrected the algorithm.
Suzanne vega's famous song is not solitude..
Even today, a company importing Sennheiser ans JBL products to Sri Lanka uses same song Tom's Diner for demonstrations to customers
Hey Voiceover Man. Suzanne is not pronounced “Susan”.
1:55
Sounds like they almost summoned a demon.
I knew Suzanne Vega from my English course teacher
I knew Suzanne Vega because I listen to her music.
If the Artists were still getting pay per play & better royalties.
Maybe a change in how music is paid for.
I only know about this song from murs and slug.
He's the guy in Breakig Bad that Frank shot.
Now I’ll never get that song out of my head.....thanks...
**MP3 Exists**
*CD : sad pikachu noises*
Karlheinz is mp3 father
Karlheinz is CD killer inventor
BUT, you don't know the slightest, who Karlheinz is, until just now.
Interesting.
Can you make a story about the first MP3 player by Creative Technologies in Singapore vs Apple in California, USA.
The Zen Jukebox may have been one of the first "larger-capacity" MP3 players, but it definitely wasn't the first MP3 player (that goes to the mpman). Diamond Multimedia then came out with the Rio PMP300 which is when the record companies started freaking out!
As for the larger capacity players, my favorite was an Archos one that had 6GB of storage and could record as well.
The narrator keeps saying “Susan” instead Suzanne 😠 annoying
snorlaxjen Susan Veega and her song Tom Steiner 😂
First....with washed hands !
You asking for go to the dust mask or something? I gives you gold plate dust mask you special creature.
I guess she's no longer sitting at toms diner
father of mp3
Free mp3!!!
mp3 was important in the making of the history of computing, but storage and internet bandwidth have evolved to a point where using lossy audio compression doesn't make sense anymore. We should demand audio and video streaming services stream audio at lossless quality using flac or similar formats.
The problem is that one of the most popular earphones for listening to music these days are the crappy Apple ones. So many people don't care about the quality of their music and it's sad.
why not include a technical part of the issue at hand???
💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Lol, nobody was searching for mp3's on google in the beginning of mp3's. It makes for a nice graphic but it's not accurate. I remember in 1997 going in chat rooms and asking people for mp3's and sometimes you got a couple. Combine this with 56k dialup and you'd have download speeds of 5-6kb/s. I didn't even start using google until 2000 or 2001. It was all Yahoo and Lycos before that.
i remember My Computer being tortured by Songs
If you listen to mp3 thank for public funded institutes where the people work for a better world instead for higher profits.
If the mp3 had been developed by an american tech company, they would have protected the format for decades and sued anyone who developed anything similar.
How they were able to test it at all?
You wouldn’t get that good sound quality from a crap Crosley turntable
Music
This would have been so much more interesting had it contained some technical details.
Instead I pour the 🥛
2:55 "We have a simple SAYING" - not 'thing'. ugh.
Is that a dubstep weapon?
i like turtles
how much?
@@Howdy8x like, 3
Sad how the first comment says it is actually first
Phout Chansyna 🤣
Toms Dyna.
"mp3 killed the cd" I disagree, cd and mp3 coexisted because of the ability to rip cd into mp3 files. If anything streaming killed both.
This is so confusing. Can you guys please tell me the difference between the mp3 version and the CD version. I really cant find the difference
If you use a CD as a computer data media it can contain several file formats like pdf txt jpg or mp3. But the first CDs were introduced to store music only in a different format known as Audio-CD or cda. It had much less compression rate and was made to store a long play venyl record into smaller media format in audio studio quality. Unlike venyl it also won't lose quality regardless how often it is played on player device. This is also why old CD players can't play mp3 files that didn't exist yet.
Computer data either stored on tape cd or hard disc device (HDD) which were quite expensive in that time, It had much less capacity than today's hdd. Because of that scientists were searching for a new format than cda to store music data in computers. Beside mp3 there are some other music compression formats like wav wma flac or aac but mp3 became most common.
Vega's vocals are rendered noisy and garbled due to aliasing in the compressed version.
this guy helped give birth to a new generation of piracists
OMG HI!!!!!!
Okay, what about mp4?
It’s one more than MP3, duh
Hello
You never heard this voice nowadays.
Suzanne is an amazing lyricist with a very unique voice and excellent guitar skills. One of my all-time favs.
Who the hell is SUSAN Vega?! Any relation to SUZANNE Vega?
Sometimes if I'm bored I just sing whatever I'm doing to the tune if this song, I don't even particularly like the song. Anyone else do this?
DaddEE MP3
Who's Tom Steiner?
You mean Toms diner en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_Diner?wprov=sfla1
Bruh I was just listening to this song-
Did MP3 had a chance to meet its parents?