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Dear Aprilia.
Thank you.
Thank you for making this bike. A bike that many people will never understand, will not buy and will give four stars in a review. A bike that will make people comment about reliability, and dealer networks whilst drooling over CF MOTO's. KOVE's and obscure bikes from niche brands.
Thank you for being a challenger with the ability to build quality; for putting good suspension in a bike, good electronics and not charging the earth for it. Thank you for not compromising the bike in the name of a bottom line.
Thank you for this week of riding I won't forget. Please keep doing this until it sticks and then do it some more. I hope we meet again someday.
Keep making great bikes.
Llewelyn Pavey
#1/#2 determing factors on an adv bike purchase is.....
Reliability. Why buy an adv bike if you're not going into the backcountry?
Dealer network.
2 things that the Aprilia lacks.
Several documented over heating problems on the 660, both reddit and youtube. Ive also talked to two owners who've had terrible experiences with their dealers in the US.
I was in the market for a new bike. I spent a year evaluating and test riding/borrowing adv bikes, and the T660 was super high on the list.
Ultimately, i wemt a different direction on this one, and not the t660. Im not giving up on the Aprilia though, i am just going to wait for more dealers to pop up, and for Aprilia to polish some of the quirks out the model. Probably will wait for a second year of the second generation.
When that happens, ill pay cash for it, and be done. I trust myself wrenching on my bikes, more than i do a dealership. I worked at one for 2years when i was younger, and i dont trust my life in the hands of a business industry that follows this model:: fast fast fast, go go go, get em in get em out.....nah, no thanks, ill take my time and ensure my bike doesnt fail when it matters
I think this in an interesting point and is clearly the main discussion around the discussion. I'm not going to argue the dealer network point because to a lot of people this seems important.
I think the main caveat here, is that large quantities of people will forgo that to buy a Love, an AJP or something else, but baulk at the Tuareg.
However, the reliability issue I think is really subjective. The T7 is without question, reliable. The Tuareg has far more reports of it being reliable than it does of it being unreliable. I seem dozens of forum reports of people loving them, showing high mileage or using them on trips and I think the stigma plays here.
The proof of that lies in the KTM 890 platform. That bike is notoriously proven to have niggles. Unbelievable heat radiation, clutches failing regularly and lots of comments stating the issues.
It seems like Aprilia worked quickly to rectify the 660's small issues and because it's exotic the image sticks.
Obviously this is based on anecdotal evidence and no hard data and it's why I made the point in the video.
@@BrakeMagazine As somebody who does their own maintenance, the dealer network thing isn't as big of a deal to me. But I believe Big Rock Moto mentioned in his long term review that you need a dealer to clear any service lights. Personally, I'd find that pretty frustrating since the closest dealer is about 4 hours away from me (I'm in the US).
I can't help Aprilia help themselves really 😂 Totally agree, four hours is probably a bit annoying. @@Michael_Shay
@@BrakeMagazine I'm super excited to watch their network grow. The Tuareg is such a cool bike, I hope to ride one some day
I’ve looked at the T660 a lot, I like the bike no doubt. I just can’t bring myself to buy one. I understand all bikes have problems but looking at RUclips and other forums there are just too many owners reporting issues. I just don’t want to take an expensive gamble on whether I get a good one or not. It’s a shame there have been so many early issues. I will never get anywhere close to using the full capabilities of bikes like these so I’d rather have a slightly less capable bike but know it’s going to be way more reliable and if we are talking about the Yamaha with valve checks every 24 thousand miles compared to the Aprilia 12 thousand mile valve checks be much cheaper to run/maintain.
It's the bike I'd still be riding today if I didn't need to buy other bikes for content. Truly phenomenal motorcycle. Great review.
The highest praise man. Pretty crazy considering how many bikes you go through and glad I'm not on my own in this 😂
I must have missed how much you loved this bike on your channel. It'd be great to hear more about your personal choices, rather than be so led by viewers choices (my 2 cents)
Had lots of reliability issues sadly.
Not really Sami. Just read the comments here. It had some that were rectified under warranty like almost very brand has and now seems to be pretty rock solid.
Go watch his full review again! It's got a lot of high praise without the excess prose of my video 😂
I spent a lot of my life making the safe choice. All my early bikes were Hondas and Yamahas because they weren't just great bikes but they were mechanically safe, with a dealer on every corner. When it came time to get into adventure riding the Tuareg had everything I wanted and reviews were praising what Aprilia had done. But people kept shouting "limited dealerships!" and "what if?!" So, to play it safe, I sat on a Tenere 700 waitlist for a year. The T7 didn't have everything I wanted, but it was the safe choice. Then I started to get antsy, and a Tuareg presented itself. It was a tough decision for me but, feeling relatively confident in my mechanical skills, I took an uncharacteristic risk and bought what I really wanted. I'm coming up on two years with my Tuareg and I've never once regretted it. It is hands down the most fun and best all around bike I've ever owned. Have I had problems? Yes. A tiny oil leak that I fixed with a $10 gasket that showed up in days (not the months the "what if" crowd would have had me believe). Could my ownership experience have been a nightmare? Sure, but that can happen with anything. Would I have made the same decision if I had limited to no mechanical skills? Probably not. But I'm just here to throw out one person's real life experience against a mountain of hypothetical scenarios from non-owners. As Llel said, it's a shame these aren't flying off showroom floors.
The logic that's been living in my brain from day one of riding this bike. Pinned comment man!
aprilias are a safe choice. the etv1000 was dead reliable and they are still on the road today.
How long after the initial early oil leak,did it take to feel confident again?
Seems like an awesome bike. I love my Tuono but it has been in the shop for 8 months. Took it in for a valve check and it needed a valve guide. No worries those are available in the aftermarket (Aprilia will only sell you a new head apparently). But it has been 8 months for a head gasket. I am starting to go back to the safe yet not quite as amazing Japanese route.
Mirror image of my experience playing it safe with the Japanese brands. Just acquired the Ducati Desert X and am wondering why I waited so long to get on something other than a Japanese bike.
Here's a reliability anecdote on Aprilia's side. I rode 1200 miles of dirt roads and trails through the Southwest desert of the United States, in 2023. About a quarter of the way through the journey I crashed very hard and sheared off the bolt holding the shift lever in place and put a very significant bend in my radiator. It wasn't until I reached home that I learned I had completely destroyed one of the cooling fans. And through it all, the Tuareg purred. I watched it like a hawk but I never saw the temperature gauge raise above normal. When I finally got back to pavement, two days later, I had to shift by pulling on the shift lever with my hand. It was a nuisance, but the bike still performed brilliantly. Oh, and if anyone suggests you replace the factory's steel shift bolt with a titanium bolt, don't bother. Titanium only helped in the sense that I now had a spare bolt. The Tuareg and I will be doing another 1500 miles of off-road through the Pacific Northwest this year. Maybe I'll carry spare bolt again, a steel one, just in case.
Amazing! Glad to hear the experience was good for you!
Yeah, I'd say a spare bolt could be squeezed on without sacrificing too much weight and space. Happy trails.
2022 was coming to a close and after nearly a year on waiting lists for the AT and T7. Than one day I stopped in a dealer to look at a KLR when the mechanic rolled a freshly assemble Tuareg in Martian red and started it up. My god the sound of that stock bike. I knew nothing about it so I watched every review I could. A week later I called the dealer for a test ride. My father and I showed up. I am 6’2” and 220 lbs and my father 5’8” and 180 lbs. we both fit perfectly. I bought the blue color same as this video. Sold on sound, fit and initial ride impressions. Fast forward 2 years and my father has had his KLR and TransAmerica in the shop more times than I’ve changed my own oil with 16,000 miles on it. Zero shop time riding in winter snow and summer storms. I am unbelievably happy with the bike.
That's the thing, the sound of the 270 degree crankshaft paralell twins is SO GOOD, and it's a reason that they should stop making singles like the DR650. Imagine if the DR650 was a parallel twin with the same sound as the Tuareg? I wish the Japanese manufacturers would give us more small displacement parallel twin enduros, like they did in the 1970's... Single cylinder bikes lack the fun factor, and the whole point of a motorcycle is the fun factor. They need to stop building singles on road legal bikes.
I am that guy in the pub that can't stop talking. Just instead of actually going to the pub I leave at least 3 comments in every RUclips video on the Tuareg 😂
Thank you so much for this video! It is awesome to see that my baby gets the recognition it deserves 🎉
I gotta say I really appreciate and admire your engagement in the comments section. The vast majority of content creators don’t give a single fcuk about people who watch their videos, like, comment, i.e. allow them to do what they do. You actually respond and with more than a single word or a short sentence. This is how a good channel should be run. Good work, mate. Keep it going!
Totally agree with you.
Llel, you know how long I've been waiting for this review and I couldn't be happier with what I saw. You confirmed my thoughts about this bike with your knowledge and skill, and you packaged it in a video that I sat glued to the screen watching. Excellent work mate, the smile on my face is real!
So glad you enjoyed it! I hope it was worth the wait. Took a while to edit those titles together 😂
How is the PR7! Also, email me!
u made me wait alongside you with your video(s) :D
So glad you liked this bike. You are saying what owners have been saying for around 18 months. I love my Tuareg and I cannot envisage any other bike meeting my needs quite so well. I went from a CRF300 to the T660 and, to a point, it was like someone had given my (significantly upgraded) CRF steroids and let it loose. Stability, power, smoothness, agility, flexibility and most important of all, grin-inducing.
I tested this bike in a motocross track like a year ago enough to love it immediately, this is by far the best bike I have ever riden and I had a 790 adventure with tuned suspension that was a blast to drive, I tested the vstrom 800de (second best), the tuareg, and I own an f800gs with tuned suspension... God I would love my f800gs to ride close of what the tuareg ride... the geometry and the suspension combination with the very easy engine is amazing... I just love it...
So if you had to choose between the 660 and the new 790, would choose the 660?
@@rjsalameh Yes, every day.
TY!!!!
@@MotorDanko Did you really mean the Vstrom 800 is the second best? Where does it lose to the 660? Where is it significantly better than the others?
This review earned my subscription, your voice, pacing and well rehearsed delivery are superb. The Tuareg 660 wasn’t on my radar but now my antenna are up.
A great review @BrakeMagazine 🙂
I absolutely love my Toe-Rag, had it 2 years now and trail rode it from the day I collected it from my dealership. Not had a single issue worth complaining about other than needing to replace a spoke in the front wheel and the front brake needing bleeding.
All in all, it is an amazing ADV motorcycle, the only thing I dislike really is the seat height being a bit tall for me, and the road manors are not great when running proper knobby tyres... which would be the case on any ADV bike.
I was buying my Tenere when I saw the Toureg first came out. I went to speak to the dealer about the Toureg and he said they're all pre-sold and blew me off , wouldn't even speak to me. Every Yamaha dealer I have been to has been awesome and there are dealers every where here in OZ , parts are in stock and reasonable prices , no brainer for me !
I think it seems like they have a problem in Australia tbh. High prices kinda negate a fair bit of the points I made in this review.
@@BrakeMagazine yep, the price in Australia puts it in competition with Tiger 900, Africa Twin etc
You aren't on the Sunny Coast, are you?
From a Tuareg owner, the bike is actually amazing and no issues so far. Seems like only those who have problems or don't actually own the bike are heard.
I've got one for a year now, drove TET Croatia and Slovenia (10k km passed). I agree with everything you've said. At the beginning is like with every new bike, there will be "children's diseased" with loose screws on clutch cover (leaking oil if you don't tighten it up), water pump gasket replacement, stock clutch switch sensor will brake (2eur repair), that little bolt that holds your kickstand will definitely brake within a few kilometers of macadam and leave you hanging unless you do kickstand switch bypass and/or you replace spring screw with M8.
Display is amazing, you can see it under direct sunlight. Front brake is also very powerful.
A lot of people is arguing about heat from the cat, but if you have proper gear and driving, it is really not that bad. Also, it's really nice feature now through the winter, it keeps your ankles warm! Overheating issue - no issues, it's the reason why it has such a big grill on front so unless you're not reving it up some hill going 2km/h, you're okay. Amazing bike overall.
The quality of your vids, not to mention your writing, is really getting up there. Can't really think of other motorcycle chanels that match up, even the bigger ones.... Thanks!
Thanks man! I think Fortnine are miles ahead but I appreciate it!
@@BrakeMagazine True, Fortnine is gold, but you're not far off. Keep it up!
Thanks Jostego.@@jostego
@@BrakeMagazine That's certainly a matter of personal opinion. Some people may find Fortnine's presentation style annoying and their attempts at humor a waste of time. Your reviews have clear, concise information without the BS, and your MiniTips add a ton of value. Keep doing what you're doing.👍
I currently own it's predecessor, the Aprilia Pegaso 650. Also a wonderful old hog to ride. I met two Germans riding this Touareg and was blown away by the sound.
Easily the best bargain in motorcycling. I picked mine up the day it become available here in the states. 14,700 miles in and it has been nothing short of pure bliss. It picks through rock gardens effortlessly, lofts the front on demand, has such a beautifully balanced chasses that it makes right maneuvers practically afterthoughts - on the whole, the Tuareg just makes you a better rider than your skill level would otherwise allow for.
They truly outdid themselves with this machine.
Sure the LC8c is more powerful, but it's also more buzzy, and famed for atypical KTM issues (I used to own a 990, and I loved the damn thing, but I too got to experience the "fun" of long-term KTM ownership). The KTM 890R definitely has better suspension, but it also sells for $3000+ more - and that's not to say "The 890R has good suspension and the Tuareg doesn't." The 890R has exceptionally good suspension for riding offroad - like, it is plainly unparalleled as to how good it is. The Tuareg is also damn good - it just isn't "as" good as the KTM or Norden 901 Expedition which now runs the same kit.
If you bought a Tuareg and threw even 2k at the suspension, there'd really be no arguing even that last point. The Ape cruises quite happily at 75-80mph all day, can handle thousands of miles of hard, off-road abuse, and remain among the best handling ADVs on pavement, too. It is easily the benchmark the rest of the industry should be looking at when designing their newest entries to the segment as it will only serve to get better, more capable machines that make us all better riders.
Awesome to see you cover something that no one is talking about. Love the Aprillia brand, and happy to see you have good things to say about their off road bike as well
I love my Tuareg.
Pre-ordered it with heated grips and a quick shifter, added crash bars with highway pegs to stretch my legs on the freeway and have not looked back, what a fantastic machine!
I'm very envious. My favourite bike in a long time.
I've been waiting for this video, thank you for making it. I love my Aprilia Tuareg! Yes I will agree the dealer network isnt great, the closest dealer is 9hrs away from where I live in the USA. The feeling I get while riding it and the smile on my face makes up for that! I currently have 5,800 miles on mine.
Right on!
Superb vid. I found myself nodding moronically at everything you said as its exactly what ive been saying to mates since ive had mine. My dad downsized to the tuareg from an africa twin last year and at that time id only seen pics and thought it looked a little awkward.... then i rode it.
To me, it felt like the bike honda shouldve built when they relaunched the AT in 2015.
I picked mine up last week. Initially, off road i thought it was okay and felt composed but realised i was labouring the engine around 2k rpm. Once i started holding it above 4k it felt like the bike came alive! So responsive and playful to ride. I found myself using everything as a kicker to launch it into the next obstacle. Then rode 2hrs home on cruise control. I was 7hrs in the saddle after a long time off and felt fresh as a daisy.
What a bike! I cant tell enough people about it 😂
Looking forward to seeing the graphics come out. Count me in
Yes! (What you said about the AT)
I frikkin LOVE my Tuareg - and I bought it for all the reasons named here. It is hands down the best dirt-focussed, unbelievablely awesome value for money, adventure bike on the market. And even two of my aussie compatriots have said the same - (on 2 other channels). Good one Mr Pavey! It was nice to hear someone else acknowledging what I know, altho I don't really care what others think of the bike - i just smoke 'em on the trails. 😆
Thanks for the kind words!
13.000 km on my Tuareg and I couldn't be happier with my decision ❤
Yes, I have one of the early bikes and it had the issue with the waterpump gasket.. but so what? You leak a few drops of oil until it gets fixed on warranty during the next service... big deal.
And no, it does not overheat, it just gets warm around the legs but so does EVERY euro5 bike.
People who are afraid of Aprilias reliability just to then go ahead and buy a KTM are just hilarious 😂
yess funny ktm and all, i too have it its the best tried many but there is no comparation
Also don't know where the allegations are coming from nowadays. I have a 2019 Aprilia shiver 900 and no issues so far (30k km)
OMG... thank you for clearing up my last doubts about which motorcycle to buy. You turned a motorcycle review into a work of art.
💯
Thanks!
Strange thing since I bought my Tuareg. Reading advice, fielding questions/statements, from people telling me things about my bike, even though they've never ridden it or experienced it.
The most popular is that it cooks my legs, or overheats. There seems to be some confusion, and as second-hand info regurgitators become third, fourth and tenth-hand, the chinese whispers mean that I'm now reading people telling me I need to check the coolant for oil because of chronic overheating. I'm on all the groups, not seen one of those yet.
The hottest I've ridden mine in was only 24 degrees C so far (in the Gorafe TET routes), and didn't notice anything unusual at all.
Reliability wise, there are some semi-serious gripes that are VERY common. The oil seal on the water pump is a popular one on early build bikes. Easy fix, and a good dealer has those parts in stock anyway. Fixed on later builds, we think (that's anecdotal though, so see above). My bike wept some drops of oil around the 400km mark, and the dealer replaced all pump seals at the first service, no cost.
Luckily I have more Aprilia dealers near me than even BMW dealers (and I'm in Germany).
As mentioned, deals are there to be found. Mine was €9490 on the road?! Same week I was quoted €1000 more for a brand new Transalp and €2000 more for a brand new Tenere! And in stock form, the Aprilia has both of those beaten.
One thing I can say from first-hand experience is that you should make sure the dealer is tech savvy and doing the software updates. I test rode one 660 that was a bit glitchy on fuelling, and lacked mid-range. When I asked if it had the latest software, the sales guy said yes, but the workshop manager admitted he'd lost the logon to the Piaggo system several weeks ago. Facepalm.
My dealer gave me a print-out of the full update process when I picked up the bike, which was great.
More mom'n'pop dealers in the Aprilia network than any other brand. Definitely something to be aware of here in Germany.
ANYWAYS>>> GREAT video, huge cinematography/feature vibes. Well done!
Such good points. I actually love that the dealers are owned by local people and not big stores.
That’s an incredibly good price. In Austria these are super expensive, even the few used ones.
This all makes it sound like a awful bike...I need to me near one of the so very few dealers in the US so that it doesn't leak or need to be rebooted like an old PC?
@@jberejik you ever owned a new BMW? The offending seal is 10$ and only effects early bikes. The early bikes also have an inferior map, new bikes should be delivered with new map, but check. Nobody said anything about rebooting. My 1250 GS had 3 software upgrades and 2 factory recalls, in comparison and that's regarded by many as one of the best bikes ever...
@@thmsprbrisn’t everything super expensive in Austria? ;)
I've actually sold my Ducati Desert X to buy one of these. The DDX is a great bike, but the high centre of gravity, heavier weight and that ridiculously fragile and super expensive metal tank just put me off using it the way I had intended. Johannes Dalen (takk for alt Johannes) said that your review was imminent and it doesn't disappoint so great job Liel. The Tuareg arrives next Wednesday and things are looking good :-)
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I like tureg has the muffler mounted correctly and it's amazing yamaha T7 has not addressed that issue yet.
I got the HP high mount exhaust, it's an easy fix
Everyone has been sleeping on it. I bought one last November and loving every mile so far❤
It doesn't seem to get old right?
Have the compression leg looked at by a K-tech suspension technician and You'll love it even more.
It seems to us quite a non-brainer this bike. But even in EU one can complain about any service network and support. A lot of free workshops do more than the reps for this bike though. And it really is light!
Damn. Might have to give it a go in the summer.
It aint hot until You can smell the hair on your leg burning from just being stationary with a big girl like that. :)@@BrakeMagazine
Stop. PTSD.
After being unable to find a T7 to buy, for months, I said screw it and went and bought a Tuareg. After 9000 miles in a little over 7 months I have not looked back. I have ran into some long lead times on some maintenance parts (spoke ends), but went ahead and ordered some of that stuff before I even need them. Aprilia did such a good job with this motorcycle. I'm hoping they can put that new 457 motor into a sub 400lb machine but with the same suspension. That would probably be the only bike I would trade my 660 in on.
the tuareg 457 with less than 400 lbs would be great.
There's actually only 2 things that an Adventure Bike needs, which none of them have: 1.) A full windshield that actually blocks wind and wind noise in the helmet at 78mph. 2.) A 6th gear with overdrive that can cruise at 78mph.
What we keep getting: Larger and more powerful dirtbikes with close ratio race gearing designed for closed course race tracks, and a top cruising speed of 60mph at 5,000 rpms, with minimal wind protection.
Summary: the companies have obviously colluded together to make sure that nobody can cruise at 78mph in comfort, with low engine revvs, zero wind buffeting, and stratospherically good fuel ecomomy.
yea but the T7 is reliable...period. No discussion/defense needed. And doesn't mandate a dealer stop for computer clearance. As someone who actually "adventures" their bike, Ill take a tubed wheel and a stronger wrist over an Aprillia any day. Great video, great content, keep them coming! #politelydisagree
Nah, we're not disagreeing here, except on cruise control. Cruise control is a gem. I'm not with you on the tubes either. That puncture took me the time it to make a coffee to fix and I didn't have to sweat once.
Reliability of the T7 isn't in question. I've never heard of one breaking down. I think it's still a great bike and you won't hear me question that, I just happen to think the Tuareg is better.
Thanks for being polite too mate. I'm pretty sure there will be a barrage of comments in about 36 hours telling me I'm a prick 😂
We all feel different about some things, for some reliability is most important, regarding tube/less tire discussion, it all depends, what you do if that puncture was a bigger slash, then a tube tire could still be fixed, at least for you to drive home or too a dealership, of course you would need to remember to have the spare tube with you 😝😂😂
I totally agree. I mean, on longer rides I take a tube incase that happens.
@@gryphongryph You can put a tube inside a tubeless tire as well, just cut off the tubeless valve stem and insert tube.
@@SpyCRS I know, but why then run tubeless 😜
I raced my Aprilia RSV4 for 10 years in CCS and WERA in the US..including Daytona.. AF1 built the bike, race ECU, gearing and a Ti exhaust… flogged the hell out of it for over 4000 race/track day mikes… ZERO mechanical issues..yes ZERO.. so those of you complaining about reliability, dealer network… go buy a Honda Monkey
There must be different relative pricing in different countries. In Australia have the following ride away RRPs:
Tuareg (base) - $22,230
Transalp - $15,892
V-Strom 800DE - $18,590
Tenere T7 - $20,349
Tenere T7 WR - $25,499
790 Adventure R - ~$19,790
890 Adventure - ~$21,490
890 Adventure R - ~$25,000
Africa Twin - $24,647
So the Tuareg is at the pricey end of mid-weight adventure bikes for us Aussies. Only 20 dealers nationwide, mainly in the capital cities. Can understand lack of popularity here.
I think what you're seeing is that the transalpine is really cheap. If we're comparing it to the T7, it's still significantly better value. To get a T7 working to same level, you'll be spending upward for $3-4K.
@@BrakeMagazineThat's part of the difficulty trying to compare all these bikes. Working out what has to be done to each, and the cost to make it right for yourself by sorting through reviews done by others gets complicated. No right answer for everyone. I appreciate the way you approach this in your reviews with a focus on the riding experience.
Cheers.
Bought it last year and I'm loving it. 100% would buy again if i was choosing now. It has a soul and is so rewarding to ride.
Agreed.
I own a T7 and I’m very happy with it, but indeed based on specifications and price the Tuareg beats the Tenere. Traction control, Tubeless wheels, more power and so on. There is just one thing….every time I see my T7, I think it is a very good looking bike and that is something I completely miss with the Aprilla. Very personal of course and it doesn’t make it a bad bike. Very interested to see how this bike will evolve the next years and hopefully with the next version a real Italian design that appeals more to me.
Then you own the right bike, no question.
I just can’t get triggered if the looks are not there.
Are parts easy to get not do much
Nice video! We have 2 on our channel and are loving the Tuareg 660 so far. We also have some great accessory and gear videos.
I'll check it out!
There are two major issues for me when it comes to the Tuareg and they are the reason why one isn’t in my garage.
1) 12k mile major service intervals. As someone who rides that in one year, and my local dealers charging $1,500+USD and 2-4 weeks for this service, the bike becomes too dealer dependent.
2) Aprilia uses a specialty shim for the exhaust valve. According to my dealer, they have to do the service and then order just the exhaust shim to complete it.
Those are two issues for me that short term reviews and press bikes miss out on. A bike that requires specialized bits to complete a service and expensive/short intervals made it a no go for me. BTW…I ride a 2016 R1200GSA so I am used to being overcharged. Lol
You are right, that’s what I hate about bikes these days. I’m actually going back to a DR650 so I can adjust the valves and fix anything on the bike out on the trail. I absolutely will never be a slave to a dealer.
1500$ for service? oil and filters? really?
@@igioz The service includes oil change, oil filter, air filter, and valve check/adjustment. The Tuareg is an amazing bike, but $1500 every 12k miles for the major service is excessive.
Some shim stock and a pair of scissors goes a LONG way
@@j-Photographyvalves adj have to do (EVENTUALLY) @ 20.000km , no 12.000, and its cost is about 400/500€, not 1500€ (in Italy)
1500€ is INSANE, a real robbery
Tuareg owner here, no issues and 3 roadtrips later.. already at 13k miles 🙌
When it was announced, the Tuareg sounded like the bike I'd been waiting 25 years for (even with 10 of those years having been spent working at BMW shops). Almost too good to be true, honestly. I picked one up shortly after they started showing up in the US, and I have no regrets in the least. I'm lucky to live close to exceptional off-road riding, as well as some decent twisty pavement, but it's also happy to take longer freeway trips as needed - very comfortable and the simple cruise control makes it easy to pack on miles. I've had it almost two years now and I still can't believe how good this bike is at everything - easily my favorite over 20+ bikes owned.
The forums are full of "...but the dealer network!" comments - in this day and age you can have parts overnighted almost anywhere... and sadly most Big 4 dealers (especially those taken over by big conglomerates or private equity vampires) don't stock parts anyway. I understand that "security blanket" feeling, but to have that ultimately be the reason you compromise on enjoyment is a shame. (This coming from someone who has owned 4 V-Stroms) :)
After 13 V Stroms I’ve owned decided to go slightly different way. Yamaha FJ09 and now Tracer 900 GT but I’ve been missing 19” front wheel and some off-roading. From the very beginning Tuareg 660 seemed to me like a bike I want. Perhaps it will find the place in my garage, next to Tracer, sooner than later. Specifically that so many owners have no problems and love them.
Been waiting for this!
And just when I had settled on the T7! I love that this sort of ‘light-mid’ category is getting filled with some really cool looking bikes. This, the CF 450MT, the Kove 450, some very interesting stuff being offered from unexpected places.
It does seem that the bigger brands have slept a bit on what a lot of people are asking for, will be interesting to see if they follow suit and aim to catch up or leave this sub category to the underdogs!
Totally agree. Pretty excited by the Kove 800 too.
T7 has absolutely nowhere near the refinement and features of this
Wonderfully articulate and informative review. Thank you!
The reason I couldn’t own this is simply because it’s SO ugly! A big part of owning a bike for me is desirability, I couldn’t ever look back at the Tuareg and admire it.
at last! Someone summarises the genius of this motorbike. Thank you! I love mine and it's the best thing I've ever ridden.
Great to hear!
test rode it - yeah, an 660-twin - meh - no torque @ low rpm 🙀, i'll be waiting for an 890cc Tuareg and accept the extra 5kg
Or put an exhaust system on it. The dyno chart from the Akrapovic system looks pretty wild.
i Have the Tuareg, my brother got the transalp 750, i tried the transalp i tried the guzzi v86tt , tried the v100 mandelo , cb 500x cb500f , NC750X ...i like to change bikes but i find there is nothing to change to Tuareg 660 is weirdly exceptional now im stuck with it as nothing drives so effortlessly in every situation`it just work on magic
As a T7 owner, I admit it's a better bike - we all know the advantages of the Tuareg. But if I want to go to Romania or Turkey or some other remote place, I want my bike to stay in one piece and run without problems. You can praise it all you want - for entertainment purposes or to create an imaginative superhero bike or whatever - but until there's an MK II with a solid reputation, I'll pass , even if I'm a bit jealous.
That's fair enough. I totally get that.
It's funny, cos the comment right before yours was a person who ride their's to Romania & Latvia. 😂
I think it comes down to your appetite for risk really.
@@BrakeMagazine I have owned two 690s and it didn't bother me in the slightest that they didn't have a spotless reputation but in this particular case I'm not willing to bet on it with my hard earned cash. Secondly, I'm not sure about the used bike value. Don't get me wrong, I see your point and like the bike but...
Each to their own right? Sure used value will be lower. no doubt in fact. Everything will be a little quirky with it in that regard.
It's not a BMW or a Yamaha with a million dealers and there is no doubt that's gonna bother a huge portion of people.@@Motografs
If you want to do a bucket list trip from Alaska to points south, Baja or Patagonia.. riding an exotic is a long shot.. Japanese have parts and dealer support that doesn't exist even for Austrian, in Mexico and South America, Ducati is getting a little easier but only a little..
I put 8K miles on a T7, 8k miles on a T660 and now 8K miles on a 901E. For the price, the T660 is a magical machine: it’s nimble everywhere, stable at speed and comes with the core features (tubeless tires, CC, TC and quick shifter). 100% worth it over a T7 for performance. (And the 901E is another level yet - better TC, more torquey power plant, and that low CG means you can dance through technical terrain at any speed…and it’s better looking, in my eyes. But you pay for the privilege!)
We know it's good. But we don't trust it. That is all
I tested all mid-size adv bikes, to replace my crashed Africa Twin DCT that I enjoyed very much over 45.000km. DesertX had my preference for handling and engine but insane pricing. Tuareg660 came 2nd for handling, equipment, pricing, but a high handle bar, a tough gear selector, and too small capacity engine for my program with lot of long road trip, made me choosing a 890R at discounted price. But fully agree the Tuareg660 is a very good adv bike for offroad enthusiasts.
A great assessment!
Your text is the katana of the adv youtube world!! I realy appreciate the work you put in! Off course! Great video!!! But for me its the words that are sooooo good! Respect
Had my new "dakar podium" delivered last Thursday, after months of attempting to decide what to buy, she looks good sat next to my 701 LR. Looking forward being different (again)
Good choice
I thought this was going to be a modded Tenere vid at first. When you were making your list of adv bikes, I was saying how could you miss the Taureg?
But then the dopamine set in; first adv bike.
For me, the list is : Taureg, 890/790 KTM R, Tenere.
I come from a dirt background and the Taureg is the first bike to have me actively stacking cash until i can afford one.
Thanks!
What is a Taureg? TUareg
I have watched your videos throughout the years and it is wonderful to see someone with such talent continue to grow.
Very kind words, thank you!
I think Iam heading over to my Aprilia dealer tomorrow morning! Thanks for a Great Video and more, for a really helpful introduction to this machine! Excited!!!
Bought the 2024 tuareg and have driven From greek Islands to Scandanavia porblem free with a Massive Smile all the way. Loving it! This review along with Big Rock Moto had me sold. No Regrets, so much more than a utilitarian machine. It has character, flawless performance and incredible Suspension to dial in your ride... Amazed this has not become the default goto for Mid weight Adv riding.
It’s an Aprilia. Most people don’t wanna take a chance
Awesome review! Truly an underrated bike, maybe the reliability stigma of Italian bike is still around the the lack of more information out there from the Touareg owners and the media itself makes the difference. Thanks Llel and Brake Magazine team for another amazing video, well done you! 👍👍
Well what an endorsement. I ordered mine in November and I'm still waiting! I'm a little frustrated but watching this video got me excited again, not that I can throw a motorcycle around like you but it'll do what I want it to do.
Hope you enjoy it!
I was waiting for this one, but was not ready for the cinematography! Video felt 2 minites long, great work as always. I was definitely between the Tuareg and the Tenere but ended up with the T7 since I was able to get a great deal on one, but the Dakar Podium Tuareg was calling my name.
Quick question: even with the Rally Raid Extreme suspension in your T7 project bike, the Tuareg still feels better to you. Is that down to the chassis and its dynamics? I know how a bike handles is more than just suspension but that is high praise for the Tuaregs setup and engineering.
Really appreciate the kind words. I try!
Yes. The quality of the RR suspension is high, but getting the balance on the T7 really perfect is actually quite tricky. Possible, and when it's right it's superb, really. That bike was one of the best things I've ever ridden fun wise.
On Aprilia it felt more like the 890 ADV R. It doesn't need you to have the set-up so precise, possibly a better balance to the chassis.
I just found this review, really enjoyed it, and read through many of the interesting comments. Like many other T660 riders, I made the leap from a “safe” Japanese bike to the T660, and wow, I’m so glad I did. I will say the T660 is polarizing, most owners loving it, and others (non-owners mostly) being skeptical because of alleged poor reliability. I can’t speak to that issue from direct experience, my bike having only 1k miles on it. However I can say that my “safe” VStrom 650 with blown ABS unit mostly sat in the garage the last few years because it wasn’t fun to ride, while I take the T660 out at every possible opportunity. Thanks for the review!
A work of art - love the quality of this edit.❤
Oh and of course that includes the content- which is always on point👌
Thanks! Glad you like it!
Really well done review! That bike ticks a lot of my boxes, but up to now cannot justify 9/10k on a bike, any bike, and I don`t own a car. This could be the exception, you did such a good job!
Exactly my thoughts. I bought one last spring. Hit with it nasty Romanian and Latvian trails. Its holds up fantastic.. not even thinking to sell it :)
Stoked to hear you enjoy it!
I’m not an ADV guy but even I was a Tuareg 660! Currently riding a Tuono 660 Factory and absolutely love it. Amazing value for money.
The bike is great, I’ve had mine over a year. The dealer network is crappy and parts can take a while to get. But that’s really the only downside.
There is no ‘overheating’ issue. Some people will complain about heat coming off of the catalytic converter. But the very important distinction must be made that heat coming off of an exhaust component does not constitute ‘overheating’.
If you wear MX boots, you won’t even notice the heat, at least I don’t.
Totally agree.
I watched another video on the Aprillia. Like you say, reputations shouldn’t stick. Great suspension, good power, huge carrying capacity for 2up, nice TFT and electronics package and small enough and comfortable enough to have some real fun off road. I’m booking a test ride. This ticks a lot of boxes. Great review.
Thanks for sharing
Excellent take!
From potential buyer and lifelong adv.bikes enthusiast perspective on why it might not be selling that well:
I considered it when i was.in the market and chose AT.
For me she just ugly. Maybe not ugly but im not fan of that design.
Second thing,.new one was out of my budget and the was only one used one, also slightly above budget.
Third thing is aggressive riding tuned suspension - not for me, good suspension should be as comfortable as possible especially offroad. I want it to GLIDE over bumps.
Last one is reliability - there wasn't too much data on it at the time and since its Italian bike i was sceptical and looking for some care free experience.
So with that and dct AT was easy choice for me.
That said im still considering Tuareg to be one of top choice for offroad oriented adv and would really wish test ride one.
I think the suspension is easily solved to suit you on the clickers, but it sounds like you love your bike that's an awesome place to be!
Questo video è bellissimo! Sono un felice possessore di un Tuareg 660 con uno Stage 2 di modifiche da due anni. La moto è sempre così dannatamente perfetta! Grazie mille, hai un iscritto in più al canale dall'Italia.
At last, great review!
Truly exceptional bike, mine has been as reliable as a stone axe >18k kms.
Unfortunately now for sale as I've moved to dirt and bought a small enduro and no longer need the tarmac capability.. bargain on Oz bike sales ..
A week ago, I had the opportunity of riding the Transalp, T7, Touareg, HD Pan-America and the newest BMW 1300GS.
The Pan-America and it's truck like turning circle, and ability to boil my two eggs and roast my legs into juicy hams in a minute or two we're laughable the worst experience I ever had with an "ADV" motorcycle. It gave me no HD feeling whatsoever, sound or look wise. It felt heavy and has these cruiser like handlebars. It just looks weird to me.
When climbing aboard the 1300GS, I hit my right shin on the right cilinder which was a great starter. When idling, it just sits dead still like a slab of concrete. There's no movement due to all the computerized stabilizing processes going on. Riding and manoeuvrability are ok, but I'd never feel comfortable hauling a 24K, 240kg sensor filled computer over a rocky trail. And the boxer feel and sound... Yuck!! (sorry BMW fans!)
I started with the Transalp. Nice grunt sound and feeling, fair acceleration, average comfort, but same old Honda boringness and bland design. Can't fault it, can't love it either. I've had many Honda's and they all look the same.
Then came the Touareg. I was looking down on Italian bikes for 10 years since they, and the Harley Davidsons always broke down in group riding, BUT LORD ALMIGHTY...
It's exactly what you say in this video. Change is scary, we don't want it, but the Touareg IS a game changer. Plush seat, modern display (albeit I prefer a bit more spartan setup), and the price similar to that of the T7. The acceleration for me personally could use more punch, but I forgot in what riding mode I was. Smooth ride though. For me, the Touareg is a bit of a "hard to love" bike concerning looks but cornering and weight felt good.
And lastly, the best for last, although I thought, I mounted the T7, my mistress, my lover, my guilty pleasure bike since 2019. I've ridden it about 3 times before but now, after the Touareg, I immediately noticed the hard seat. But I also noticed the more punchy acceleration compared to the Touareg and man, on a T7 I just hop on and corner it like a bike I've owned for years. And the sound... God I love that CP2 sound! I was a bit more conservative on the Touareg, since it was a new bike to me. Both did a good job at cornering and giving the feeling you could safely rip open the throttle.
If only the two could make a baby...
I ride a Kawasaki KLX250S offroad and my Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 mainly for the road and easy hard packed trails, but the Touareg could easily replace both. The T7 has gained a serious competitor...
Truly lovely bike deserving of praise. Glad you highlighted it for your views. After over a year of VStrom 650’s, (new 2023 model now) I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t want the perfect adventure bike, which I agree for me is this 660. For me and my situation, living on a farm in rural Australia, I want 2 bikes. Neither of them exist however, the unicorn(s) is not yet born so the strom it is for now. This past week I rode nearly 900km of nearly all motorway. Come home to the farm and get some air on the track to the house. It works. My idea bike is actually this 660 with 60HP, less suspension travel and less, 170-180kg weight.
Amazing review! Now I want one 💪🏻
...and a lovely showcase of the trails around Salisbury Plain too. Top notch.
I've bot one after reviews at BigRock and I love it. No issues so far
Excellent video!! Big fan of the mag/channel (and now you’ve successfully talked me out of getting a Desert X). I’ve just purchased a Tuareg 660 and I’m just waiting to pick it up from the showroom. I had a great experience with a KTM 640 adventure years ago and after two bulky BMW GS I can’t wait to get back to a nimble well packaged bike for both on & off road.
Great to hear! Hope you enjoy it!
Love my t7
Good for you man! it's a great bike
@BrakeMagazine thank you for the awesome content. Take care homie!!
Cheers! You too man!@@patrick87100
There are too may videos of the toureg having major problems.
Yamaha did a much better job making the Tenere reliable, but they screwed up by not giving it tubeless wheels, and the muffler bracket.
What this means is there's opportunity for someone else to do it better than either of these.
I'm still dreaming of a twin cyl 450 ultralight adv bike. Tall like the Tenere but light weight like the EXC 500.
major problems like what? a few gen 1 issues fixed under warranty
I took almost 1 year to choose my bike and I think I did the best decision ever, I have now 10.000 km on my Tuareg 660 and I didn’t have any issue. It depends a lot how you ride it. I definitely would buy it again. I also like so much the 2024 new colors.
There are a lot of detractors on internet but simply because they’re other brands supporters and because they’ve never driven the Tuareg 660, they would change their minds immediately. Nice review, Cheers from Italy 🇮🇹
Well they must be popular in Australia because Aprilia Australia have priced them at $A23,490 and I’m not seeing any serious discounting. That compares to the $A16,360 that Honda Australia want for the Transalp. I’m sure that the Tuareg is a fantastic machine, but for a Joe Average rider like me, that 35% price difference means that the one with my name on will be staying in the showroom.
Wow 👍!! So much to unpack here.
Aesthetically pleasing is an understatement. Gorgeous. The Italians never disappoint. 🤩💖
I'm getting up there and have found heavy bikes more intimidating,, especially Adv/ Dirt focused machines.
I'm currently operating a 012 Yamaha Super Tenere beast. 🤷♂️Yeah... big, heavy.
I've had smaller bikes CC & weight wise (DL650/KLR650) and would consider returning back to this level.
The reliability and Dealer support are the biggest detractors for me at this point (stateside).
Thanks For your great content and acknowledging this brilliant machine.
Time will tell how things play out Stateside, as well as the Used market.
I never purchase NEW.
Cheers 🍻, G.
High praise indeed! I have a KTM 890 Adventure that honestly lacks overall. I don’t need monster power but the ergonomics just don’t work nor the non-adjustable suspension. The Tuareg is actually in my sights and your review covers exactly the issues. A test ride soon…. Thanks!
Drink a beer everytime L says "literally" in his videos! Love his reviews, he boils things down.
Presentation is superb ....love from india ❤❤...i m planning to buy on aprillia ....its just launched here🎉🎉
I test road one today, my assessment: Has heat, I’m in hot climate, today 37c, but I could handle it.
There is vibration, gear shifting is harder than T7, rode that last week.
Brakes are soft, needs better pads or master cylinder.
Suspension is fantastic!!
TFT & controls are great!
Hp is good, works best in upper rpm. Great all around bike with a few corks that can be addressed.
Me personally believe euro emissions are chocking these motors & making them run hot.
You can cruise this bike or be an all out weapon in the right hands, just depends on your riding style. I’ve been riding for 55 years and owned almost everything 😅
I own and ride this MC, mostly off road 4WD and single cut tracks in Australia. Pros; price point and equipment, lighter weight, handling, and torque/HP. Cons; 240mm suspension travel and 240mm ground clearance = bottoming out the bash plate (factory or aftermarket) and NO sub frame cradle under the engine. Solution Altrider rear suspension link lift - 20mm and drop the forks max in triple clamps. Understand that the factory set up decreases seat height, but IMO sub frame cradle under engine is more important.
BS factory policy - everything must be done at dealer, including service indicator reset.
I agree with this reveiw and thats why I brought Tuareg over Tenere.
Wow Dave! That was truly epic. Thanks
Fantastic video. I currently own a Triumph Tiger 955i, a Gen1 KLR650, and a Tuareg. I'm not trying to brag. But understand my perspective. I can choose to ride the dual sport, the big ADV, or the Tuareg. I'm choosing the Tuareg. I was looking for a bike that was very capable offroad (Dakkar finishes) but could also handle highway. I don't mind rider assistance stuff most of the time, but I want to be able to turn it off. Why would I choose a KLR over the Tuareg? Price, and ease of maintenance. Nothing fancy about a KLR. Why the Tiger over the Tuareg? Power on-road, and riding 2-up with luggage barely impacts performance. However, because I'm a fairly competent mechanic, and I almost never ride 2-up, the Tuareg gets the nod almost every time. This bike was made for riders that want a machine that is immediately adaptive to new situations. This bike does that.
I am a dirt bike guy, so it took the 450 twin for me to pay attention to Aprilia.
And, they still have my attention!
Ok. You have twisted my arm. I need to try one. Love this review
The Tuareq 660 is an INCREDIBLE riding bike. As long as it works. The problems people are experiencing are starting to grow. (Oil leaks, overheating, transmission issues, fuel leaks, ECU mapping, front brake failures) If you're looking for a reliable bike there is still nothing better than the T7.
I mean, see the comment above about the reliability because the more I read and dug, the more I saw the issues getting resolved and the general owners consensus being that it's reliable.
The issues it has had seemed to be really small too. Mostly just weepy seal that is easily replaced.
I think we're in a place where the T7 is the gold standard and the Tuareg is slightly behind, but I personally wouldn't be concerned. I see way more comments about the KTM's reliability issue.
One thing i learned trough my KTM 790 adv r, people claim that all these issues are blown way out of proportion. I believed in them purchased my back in 2020 new KTM thinking mine will be different, it's the second year they producing this bike etc. Well it had all the problems ever documented. I lost hope in European motorcycles. Awesome bikes but i want reliability and not fights over warranty.
@@Qbasz007 I wonder what the reliability of the Chinese made KTMs are. They actually know how to build things, so it will be interesting to see if it is different than the Austrian built bikes.
My next review is the Chinese built 790. It is indistinguishable tbh.
Instead of using tire grease with the rabaconda, just use a spray bottle with some soapy water. It works well, and is much easier to clean up.
Damn! This review just made my decision more difficult! I’m stuck between the 2024 Tuareg, the 2024 KTM 790 Adventure or the 2024 KTM 890R. The 790 is so well priced. Lots of money left over for upgrades to the suspension down the road if needed. The 890R is available at a dealership just an hour away so it’s the most convenient option. (The dealership doesn’t have and/or can’t get a 790.) The Tuareg sounds like an amazing bike. It ticks a lot of boxes for me. However, it’s a 3 hour drive/ride to the dealership and having to go there to get the oil service light reset is quite off putting.
ECU mapping is easy (not cheap) and w/o the decat’ (but stock muffler) the engine is much better (and less hot which is the first reason I remaped as I live in South France) and the noise is still acceptable.
Incredible good bike for the price.
Did you get a re-flash or a new ECU?
Top notch review as always Llel! Both informationally and creatively. The T660 is probably in my top 3 for my next motorcycle. My only mild concern is long distance road comfort. As in multi day trips on the road to get to some of the BDR's here in the states. I think its also worth noting that the last I knew Ian over at Big Rock Moto has kept his Tuareg in his long term stable of bikes when typically he buys and sells most of his review bikes.
If it helps, for me personally this bike was a lot comfier than a T7 and KTM 890. The seat is softer and pretty flat and that helps a lot.
I rode cca 1080 km in a single day on mine (Piombino, Italy - Pasohlávky, Czech Republic) and I felt like I could do another 1000 the next day.
The long distance comfort is the one thing that surprised me the most about Tuareg, as I expected it to be fun in curves and excellent off-road, but I didn't expect this level of comfort on long distance rides.
Also 9000 km on it and only issue was faulty fuel gauge (known issue, fixed under warranty).
Damn, I was hoping no one would do a review on it like you did. I really enjoy being the only one in my area (dealer is just over an hour away) riding the Tuareg. It was the last bike I demoed (6 total) and I didn’t get two miles
down the road and had to get off road. I’ve had zero issues and love it
😂 Sorry man! Unfortunately Big Rock Moto beat me too it as well and he said he loved it as well.
My best bike to the date. Having ridden the 1250 I’m still loving Tuareg!
As mentioned below, the Tuareg has a seriously different 'pricing structure' here in Australia. My Transalp was $15,740 on road, with 12 month's reg and a few extras, on account of being the first buyer at 'my' dealership. I test-rode the Tuareg (having had Italian bikes for fifty years) and really liked it, but the $22,500-ish price-tag - virtually half as much again - was a bit much! I liked much of the detail on the Aprilia, but it was too rough-trail orientated for my use. I go on dirt roads most days, but not tight trails, and don't need such long travel (and fork dive) and short gearing as the Tuareg offers. I still have to do a lot of bitumen, and would argue that the Honda is more relaxed on the road. The heat aspect is possibly also more relevant in this country with our warmer weather, and I could certainly feel the heat on my Tuareg test ride, where the Honda has no heat issue. The lack of dealerships (our local Aprilia-specialised dealership has closed) and stories of VERY long delays on parts delivery also count against the Aprilia, although some parts (like the popular optional extras) have been slow for the Transalp also.
So unfortunately although I enjoyed the Tuareg, and am completely open-minded about Italian bikes, the Tuareg still has a few too many points against it in this country. The short gearing, the engine that needs more revs, reports of engine problems, etc. also counted against it in the comparison, along with the price. Yes it has more 'high-line' parts on it, like suspension and brakes, but I have funds (relative to the Aprilia's Australian price) that I can spend on the Honda's suspension, and its brakes are fine. A lithium battery (like the Tuareg comes with) will almost put the Transalp on an equal footing with the Tuareg weight-wise, and my lighter rear rack (the Tuareg doesn't come with one) will make the Honda even lighter. So although I completely understand your enthusiasm for the Tuareg, its balance and its suspension, it isn't quite as superior in other countries where its price and engine heat count against it in the comparison.
I just hit 10,000 kms on the Honda earlier today, and am enjoying it more than I expected to. A big step up from my '95 Cagiva Elefant 750, and a worthy replacement in most respects. But I DO understand your enthusiasm for the Tuareg in a market where its price is close to that of the Honda, and for a rider more focussed on harder trails. It definitely has better chassis components than the Transalp. But there are numerous reports of engine issues with the Aprilia, whereas I am yet to hear of any on the (better selling but more recent) Transalp, so there is still a case for the cheaper Honda in this country.
Time will tell! I still have a Ducati road bike... 😊
It's even got a big smile - pop a couple of self-adhesive googly eyes on the lower windscreen screws & the lights are a big shiny smile.
Great review thanks for sharing. Watching in Ushuaia having ridden from Alaska on a Himalayan. Want to treat myself to something a bit more plush when home and have been struggling to decide; Tuareg, Husky 701, T7 or a ground up rebuild of an XT600E... I'm sorry to say I'd discounted the Tuareg but you have tempted me back... now subscribed :)