well now we know, and we can all take a page from marks book and just say that was jake skywalker. we can come up with our own sequel trilogy or fall back into the EU
Seeing Luke tossing his lightsaber over his shoulder in the first scene was really a big fcuk you to the audience. Then Leia survives in the vacuum of space, casually flying back to her ship. Wtf
No, not enough said. The same Jedi grandmaster who looked at Vader, the man who cut off his hand, butchered hundreds (and presided over the deaths of thousands) and served as the right hand of tyranny for several decades, and said "I can fix this" And all that is gone in TLJ Now I think it's enough said.
I wasn't surprised he threw it tbh. That saber is responsible for many deaths, and almost brought down the Jedi order twice. To hell with it. And yeah while rediculous, I think the point to be conveyed by Leia in space is her strength in the force
"I can't kill my own father." ...who has already killed billions. But I can kill my own sleeping nephew who is only exhibiting a risk and is still in my school.
Right? That’s a punk move that Luke wouldn’t make. If Luke felt the need to kill him, especially since that’s his nephew, he would make it a point to have a face-to-face stand off.
Jeff Block would be pretty awks to explain to Han and Leia that he may have killed their only child because of a hunch. But I get the jist of it all. In hindsight it could have been explained that Snoke interfered heavily in that scene in an attempt to turn Luke to the dark side or Ben. In both cases Snoke wins so it makes sense. But I’m assuming that they decided not to go that way because they wanted to humanise Luke by showing he made mistakes when given the mantle of Master. Probably would have worked as well if they showed the images of what Ben would do as Luke was reading his thoughts so that the audience actually connects to his decision. I didn’t have many gripes with the film. Most of the criticisms are the same criticisms that were given to the originals when they were released. It has problems but it’s added an interesting Kylo-Rey dynamic that we haven’t had in the films before. I mean I can only remember Bastilla and Revan comparing. But at there’s a possibility that the dynamic will be dropped in 9. All in all I liked it, think it will grow on most people. I’m more worried about where they’re going with 9 tbh.
TDS Darth Wage jar jar is no longer the worse character in Star Wars. Hell, he isn’t even in the bottom three anymore. This movie has given us the two worst characters in SW history (holdo and rose)
@@raidthanfl you forgot Sequel Trilogy Leia and Luke. They are nothing like their true characters. Leia is a Senator not a General and Luke is a character that always saw the good in people and he would never have abandoned his friends
PT, ....Controversial.....yes. Destroyed....no. Not by a long shot. One of the big differences for me is that a lot of problems ( depending on which adventure ) in the PT are very cosmetic problems and could be fixed with a nicely done recut ( Or Ultimate Cut or whatever you wanna call it ) TLJ is utter foundational rot laced with political and social agenda's.
I like most fans don't care much for the Prequels. Even with their drawn out Dialogue, Heavy.. Heavy CGI that looked bad even at Premier, and Shaky Acting at times the Prequels are still better than TLJ. TFA suffers from a lot of the same problems as TLJ BUT and this important.. it snakes by Fans Approval cause it basically got copied straight from a New Hope, so at least it felt kinda like Star Wars.
Rian Johnson is the worst director in history, a 12 year old kid could have done better than this story. I agree will never see another film he is associated with no matter what.
Hamill did know. I was so pissy with him leading up to the movie. He was terribly negative in interviews. Now I’m get it. Respect to him for speaking his mind against Hollywood and that awful Kennedy. People want her burned at the stake. Lol. I don’t know about that but certainly it is clear she needs to get out of the way of Star Wars. She failed terribly.
pls dont connect this shit movie to feminist movements, there are in no way connected. What you write says more about your strange Ideology, in fact movies like this are antifeminism propaganda created by a small group of men in a sticky room with a public white woman face like kathleen kennedy. All to be received as supposed feminist advertisement for guys like you. So thank you for being a part of the group destroying new movies ...
Mononoke Major are you replying to me? Have I mentioned feminism once?!? Lol. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you replied to the wrong person. If however you are speaking to me then I’ll let you know dust I think.
After seeing the movie I can't deny at all that he is an artist who preserved his integrity and spoke out his creative disagreements but the machine disagreed with him. Hey like he also said though... it's just a movie. We need to move on. This one sucked. Maybe JJ can salvage a decent product out of Rian's mess for the third.
No iam a human who tries to make a point in these times you must write things hundred times to be sure the people get it right and dont missfake your statments. It seems you are one of the Fakers Adam P, did you read my comment or are you the same thing you said about me? -what is the point of insulting people? maybe insulting people restores your manhood in front of your sick fantasy. Why should charakters with no backstories, with no personality, with poor written charakters and with behaviour that nobody understands be in any way manly or womanly? The anwer is because a brand like Disney, a certain typ of "journalists" and media, people who jump on trends trains and of course people with a ideology based on fear and virility problems who should improve their empathy ( one of most importants feelings in the human society) and stop acting like mindless zombies sponsored by multinational Companies. Remember you have a certain thing named brain, use it!!!! Good day
pls think before you write things that contradict themself... so now iam guilty of destroying a franchise thank you it my only purpose to do that iam happy to see that you are hurt by this iam so manly XDD I will never shut up , nobody in this shit world willl ever again shut my mouth not my dad, not my mother, not the gouverment, not any kind of company and of course not any typ of antique ideolgy in a guy like you. ANd you know what i think ? well if i would think my view is the only view point to the situation i would be very surprised by your comments. Do i seem surprised by you ? Well maybe iam but not by your view more by your anwsers. Why in hell do you contradict yourself in the second line after writing "whole little ideology blows and your pretentious blown out of proportion self importance" and i must say i laught loud out when i read that hahahahahahaha. hahhahahahhahahah hahahhahhahahahahhahhhahahhhahhahhahhhahaahhahhhahah ahhhhh well my ideology didnt explode ahhahhaahhh but its time that your Big Ideology implodes like a star which exploded like a supernova, it times that your internet devise shut down for ever because of contradicting writing. And time will come when you should go around thinking about other thinks than your "keep your mouth shut" policy, maybe this works with your family or who ever, but not with me fucking piece of fucking shit on a warm sommer day , do you really think that your comment feels in any way as a danger for me ? It only proves your own insolent behaviour but iam ok with my insolent behaviour? right maybe you understand the point and maybe you can grow as a person.
This movie was absolutely 100% effing TERRIBLE! The only thing, the ONLY FREAKING thing they would have had to do to make this movie decent was make Luke the total badass Jedi he deserved to be. He's the most powerful Jedi ever and we got NOTHING! We got stick fight in which he loses. Are you even kidding me?? This movie pissed me off in so many ways. In all honesty Disney should issue a retraction and proclaim this movie will no longer be part of the trilogy and try again. It's that bad. Like literally. Poor Mark Hamill. I feel for the guy
I'll quote someone else's comment I had read shortly after seeing this movie: "...waited 30 years to finally see Luke fight as a Jedi Grandmaster...turns out he's a fucking coward." LOL
This movie destroyed everything meaningful about this franchise. How can anyone even go back to the original films and have any respect for Luke and his hero's journey knowing how things turn out in the end? I saw the original in 1977 and Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson ruined it. The second most offensive aspect of this movie, (after destroying Luke's entire back story, and character), was the in your face social social justice diatribe. We have General Gender Studies, a character nobody ever heard of or cares about, who comes off as a cringeworthy parody of social justice, dying in a manner that would have probably have been better suited for Ackbar, (who was simply blasted out of his ship in a battle). Under Kathleen "the force is female" Kennedy and Rian "tear it all down" Johnson's treatment, nobody has to be special or go through any personal journey and rigorous training to be a Jedi; heck everyone can do it. After two movies, it is obvious that Rey can do anything, so it is impossible for her to grow as a character. This movie was really bad, full of plot holes and contrivances, involving characters nobody cares about. This is a Disney reboot and retelling of the entire franchise that destroys the entire cannon and replaces it with SJWs that will rule the galaxy where white men are either evil or goofs. It is perfectly possible to have strong women characters without demeaning men. Laura Dern's character was an absolute joke. I am now rooting for the First Order to destroy these cringeworthy characters (not that I will see the next installment). The franchise, outside of marketing porgs, is dead. The Last Jedi? No. The First Mary Sue.
It was so poorly done that you couldn't try and screw it up any more than they did. It answered no questions, was lazily written, and made no attempt to even try and connect the stories. Shame on Rian Johnson and Kennedy in making such trash. They were given a Ferrari and only needed to not crash it. Instead they drove into the grand canyon.
o_O That article. "The last Jedi doesn't care what you think about it, and that's why it's great!"... "The chef doesn't care if you think his cooking's appetizing, that's why it is!".... "Crap doesn't care wether or not it smells good, that's why it does!". Oh no, I'm going derpy... I've gotta go look at something that makes sense.
+Nick Knack The "true fans" are what got us into this debacle in the first place. You shit on George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, you shit on the Expanded Universe, which has kept Star Wars alive between Return of the Jedi and the Phantom Menace, and you shit on other fans for not agreeing with you. So take your "true fan" and shove it up your ass.
Legendary - Sorry to be the smartass here but.... Just dont accept it! The movies makes no sense (especially Lukes role) and there are so much Novels & Comics out, there are much more fun to read! Fuck Disney!!! They would Not be abel to make new movies if they Not kicked the Canons that came out after Episode 6!
Yes, it doesn't become canon unless we believe it is. The masses. Too many are convinced that the movies is all Star Wars is. There's a whole expanded universe of Books, Games, Comics, and Animated Series that's way more complete, and magnificent than the trash recent films. Start with the books by Timothy Zahn that carry off where the Return of the Jedi ended. Then theres the animated series like Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels, screw Disney, we will override them in deciding what's canon.
Anyone who thinks Leia-freakin'-Superman is canon should have their head examined. THAT ONE SCENE was the "get-off-board" moment on my accepting the new direction. Plain and simple. NOTHING that retarded ever occurred in the Expanded Universe. And Snoke's stupid death scene was the final nail in the coffin for me, where I finally had to admit to myself that I am not enjoying this story at all. If it weren't for the fact that my ticket cost money, I would have waked out at that moment. Sitting through the rest of the movie was a painful endurance....
I was willing to give Rey a pass when she showed up to Luke a scared character in need of guidance When Rey took no time to master anything and everything Luke had to offer and Luke seemed totally taken aback and seemingly unable to offer her any guidance beyond anything she didn't already know how the fuck was she not a Mary Sue I'm an Asian living in Asia and you can cut the whole galactic Monte Carlo subplot which would actually have made the whole movie better
A corollary of this: most of the positive reviews have come from people who are not Star Wars fans, as in essence they delight in the subversive goading of those fans. So the movie is being applauded for the degree to which it sticks a middle finger up at the people who loved the IP. It's baffling to me that such an action should be encouraged. It's like making a High School Musical movie that features no musical numbers whatsoever, announcing that this is bold and subversive, then laughing at upset HSM fans and calling them "salty" for being so stuck in the past.
His Ego was stronger than his caring of fans. With the decision of JJ Abe and tossing out the EU. They could go and have the high arrogance to think they could rewrite a whole new universe in one go, better than all the writers before who all collaborated for many years to get things right. Thank God we still have the EU and it's strong development. Maybe it will become so large it just totally overshadows the films and they will give up trying to do it their own way with each new Director and just follow what works.
Wow. Bravo. I agree with you 100%. You sound just as defeated as I feel. In my circle of friends (read: nerd group), everyone in the group is an expert in some area of nerd/geekdom, but we all share an interest in Star Wars. While the interest is shared, I'm far and above the Star Wars expert, the fanatic. I spent 19 years engrossed in the expanded universe material. I read comics. I bought books. I played games. I sought out everything I could find. I could out-trivia anyone on the subject of Star Wars. So when Disney bought Lucasfilm, I was incensed when the decision was made to nix the EU in favor of Disney's own forthcoming continuity...a decision no doubt made because of its greater monetization potential. We've had three Disney Star Wars movies, and each one has beaten the fan out of me. I was upset with _TFA_ from the first sentence of the initial text crawl and was angry when I left the theater. For being such a "super fan", I thought JJ had done a pretty poor job in the details. _Rogue One_ was a story I didn't think needed to be told. It was pretty, but the characters were wholly uninteresting, and if reports are to be believed, the initial write/cut of the movie would have been far better than what the rewrite/reshoots gave us. Ashamedly, I admit that the hype for _TLJ_ grabbed me up and carried me along through the premiere night. I was puzzled at some of Rian's choices as I watched the movie, but went to bed that night feeling decent about the experience. The next day, when I began to process the movie, I realized I'd been duped. And after much consideration, I realized that _TLJ_ removed any expectation I had for Episode IX. For the first time ever in my life, I didn't care where the next Star Wars movie went, and that has been _one of_ the most disappointing realizations I've ever had. My nerd group has been pretty positive about the movie, and that, too, has been a supreme disappointment. Adding to the frustration of it all is that my opinion seems to carry no weight whatsoever in the time that Disney has been in ownership of Star Wars, so I've kept my dissatisfaction to myself. I came to RUclips to verify I wasn't just being a nitpicker, and you have plucked the words right out of my mind. Again, bravo. I could not have said it better myself. You apologize for making some of your points in a hyperbolic manner, but the manner only speaks to your passion for Star Wars and the massive defeat you feel thanks to TLJ. To conclude: From my personal perspective, *Disney* ruined Star Wars, but TLJ was the last straw. I come to Star Wars for the adventure, the characters, the escapism. Hollywood seems to think that politics, SJW talking (read: shouting) points, and nihilism need to be an integral part of all "entertainment" these days, and nothing is further from the truth.
Thank you for sharing, Joshua Knight. I read every word. I, too, was in the minority opinion among my friends when The Force Awakens came out. Luckily, one of my best friends and I were on the same page for Rogue One and The Last Jedi. It is great to have someone with which you can relate your frustrations. If I could be that person for you, than editing this long video was worth it. I didn't make this review to upset people who enjoyed The Last Jedi. I'm glad they enjoyed it. I made this video for those who didn't enjoy it and feel alone. I hope you are well in the New Year!
I felt the same way. I left feeling decent but as the movie processed I got angry because this film felt like a slap in the face as someone who idolized Luke as a kid and been a fan for the better part of 19 years watching the movies, buying toys, playing games, and reading books and now watching the franchise I love be destroyed.
That's strange. Would have thought that nerds hate it even more. I don't consider myself a nerd, neither my family nor my friends. Still from all these people only one person really liked the movie. Namely my brother, whose favourite movie franchise is Transformers... Everyone else complained about the many plotholes, stupid character decisions and out of place humour.
You summed up exactly how I felt. I was alright when I came out and thought it was "good" or at least "alright". Then I slept on it and one of the first thoughts the next morning was "... it really wasn't that good". Sad, sad feeling.
Joshua Knight , you are not alone bro... it has ruined all excitement about future shit disney does now. I will still watch them eventually on netflix or redbox dvd but im super annoyed with the whole thing to where ill avoid diving into fan theory stuff or going to the theater at all for future installments.
This movie is a mess... The only way to fix it would be episode 9 starts with Rey waking up after a long sleep on the millennium falcon at the end of TFA... and the whole of episode 8 being a bad dream she had.... Totally erasing it from Canon... And while I’m on that subject, why not sign up on the petition currently running to get Disney erase it from SW canon! I only wish we could all wake up and realise it was a nightmare too
Even better would be Han waking up from a snooze going 'I had a terrible dream' and Luke being there going 'Really? Tell me about it?' Abrams started the fire with TFA, Johnson merely poured gasoline on top.
Why not have Luke/Leia/Han waking up the morning after Endor, both having the same dream/force vision (Disney Star Wars where all heroes faill) and deciding to never give up and de-canonize all of Disney with it (and go back to the old Expanded Universe ;) ) Honestly, this is the only way for me to interpret this trash without running mad about how LucasFil could have made TLJ happen.
There was so many stories left to tell with Luke. So much more Jedi stuff that could have come to light after all his training, and experienced perspective. But naw..just keel him over in the 2nd of 3 films. nailed it. smh
robdbzgt07 Yes!..that’s an extremely accurate statement! It really makes one wonder what the hell Bob Iger was thinking ..especially allowing a feminist and non-fan to be in charge of such an important franchise. How can Disney executives and producers not take the time research to determine what the elements are from original films that created this enormous fandom in the 1st place?! Only a complete idiot would handle this trilogy without the sacred care and reverence it deserves.
Rey didn't beat Luke in hand to hand. They were fighting with sticks, Luke dodged every strike like it was nothing. Then she drew a lightsaber and he went, Woah there. It is a little like saying, yeah I beat Mayweather. Once I pulled a gun he quit...
Actually she does not beat him she is disarmed by Luke then she force pulls the light saber to her and draws it against Luke who has no weapon to defend against it with.
The morals of the original star wars - Work hard and you may fail. Keep working and you may be victorious. The morals of the new star wars - Some people are just better than others... This is why they dont work.
SW OT theme= dont let the mistakes of the past define you- there is still hope a chance to become a better person SW NT theme= who cares about where you come from it doesnt matter, the past was a mistake, get rid of it burn it if you have too.
TheRagdollrejects Exactly, jedi powers not earned or trained like lukes were for starters. He developed his story,powers over the first three lucasfilms. I dont count disney ones as Star wars movies, just a poor, sjw clone.
Pupi Schlumpi That won't happen. This franchise is going in the direction as planned. Welcome to a world of SJWs, forced feminization and fascist left wing politics.
I agree. Johnson’s treatment of Luke Skywalker (the heart of the whole story) was criminally wrong. I’m done and - I was at the theatre in 1977 as a geeked out 13 year old. Star Wars meant something to me. Now dead.
Disney announced that the comics and books were no longer canon. I am announcing that fans have decided that the LAST JEDI and FORCE AWAKENS are no longer canon, instead that was some trash fan film shit.
Kathleen Kennedy is in charge of this pile of shit. She is obsessed with women in roles in and off the film, that she has 6/8 writers women. I have no problem with women doing it but you can tell they got hired for their gender opposed to having good ideas(The story was complete shit with no imagination and poor writing ) . She is wearing shirts that say '' force is female '' and just about every interview she is in talks about women in roles. Then attacks the male audience as not having to cater to them, who actually the ones who built this brand mainly. She promised George she would take care of the Characters. THAT WAS A LIE ! Rey is a Mary Sue ! Stronger then all before her, with no training needed, Just knows everything with ease. No doubt a creation of Cuntleen kennedy to gather in more female fans but iit just ruins the story. Teased the fans in episode 7 of just having Luke in the film for 10 seconds. Episode 8, now Luke is a attempted child Killer just because he sensed some dark side from Ben, by the way is not Luke. Luke would never do that. This is Cuntleen Kennedy degraded the character Luke and killed off the real hero, to make way for the new SJW sw. This fucking dumb cunt is getting nearly none of the responsibility for this train wreck when she is the one in charge. Ruin Johnson is just a Yes man.
Why? Because you didn't like a Star Wars movie? The new films are perfectly fine. Nothing will ever top the original trilogy so people need to stop going into the theater with some expectations of magic and just enjoy seeing things happening in the Star Wars universe. People that keep hating on Star Wars IMO seem like a bunch of ungrateful children who have learned right and wrong and how to behave from the internet.
The movie now has a 49% fan rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Thanks fans for letting our voices be heard. I still am shocked that it got such high professional reviews. It threw away all the ideas from episode 7, and it had so many tone issues, they just couldn't decide whether it should be serious, or comedic, or dark, or light hearted, and it was up and down and all over the place. It was a dumpster fire.
In my opinion episode 7 was just a rehash of 4 5 and 6, more planet killing weapons another Force sensitive found on a desert planet, another father and sun on bridge etc etc I like how the last Jedi has had the courage to go a different direction because episode 7 was just like watching a repeat of the old movies!
Nobody is really disputing that, but the story telling mechanisms in episode 7 were better. It at least had good story continuity, and the characters were set up well and interesting. Then in episode 8, there was no more character progression of the new characters... not to mention the plot being awful. It's a train wreck now.
@Thecriticom No man wtf. TLJ is also a rehash of 4/5/6. Do you even watch the OT before spell bullshit? If it has a ball it could made Rey fall to the darkside with Snoke to kill Ben. That's bold. Not this mess.
Kennedy demanded Luke Skywalker be killed because Mark Hamill is not a yes man and challenged them to make a good movie. Kathleen Kennedy doesn't want good movies and she doesn't love Star Wars. She only loves her share holders. Get rid of this horrible miserable woman.
I'm starting to think the same. The way they just fade Luke out while he is sitting on the rock could have easily been done without Hamill's prior knowledge. After the premiere there is footage of Rian and Mark being interviewed and the look on Mark's face is of total bewilderment, like he just found out he got fired.
I didn't mind the prequels actually. At least there was some character development of Anakin Skywalker. Mary Sue has no character development and neither do any of the other new clowns. When I went to see The Last Jedi, the scene where Rose crashes into Finn to save him from the First Order canon, I literally heard booing from somewhere in the audience. Not lying.
pls dont connect this shit movie to feminist movements, there are in no way connected. What you write says more about your strange Ideology, in fact movies like this are antifeminism propaganda created by a small group of men in a sticky room with a public white woman face like kathleen kennedy. All to be received as supposed feminist advertisement for guys like you. So thank you for being a part of the group destroying new movies ...
Luke: “Is the dark side stronger?” Yoda: “No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive.” In this new trilogy, Rey takes the path of the dark side in that she gets Force powers too easily, while Kylo Ren, the underwhelming heir of the Skywalker lineage, has trained his whole life, which is more of the original concept for the light side. The light and dark side’s have literally been inverted in the new trilogy, where the light path is actually the dark side, and the dark path is actually the light side.
I really thought it would be an interesting twist that Rey had been using the dark side all along, thus explaining her rapid growth with the Force, and it would've added some interesting conflict and would partially justify how rapidly she learned. Sadly, it seems there just is no explanation for Rey's power.
All Skywalkers learned fast, especially Luke. That is not a deal breaker or maker. The rebels are still the ones being hunted and killed. They are still just trying to survive and establish peace.
Divine Pollination rock paper scissors, Rey bets all. Also men suck and story arch means nothing. Also raped by a nice woke that taught her language that she force fucks out of Luke's head so she can womansplain.
And one last thing... quit sexualizing the females in the story. They don’t deserve those thoughts so be ashamed of yourself.The female characters are the only ones that have a true grasp of how to put the universe together. And btw know it alls, Rose is transgender. Don’t assume what you don’t know.
These are children's movies now. They are just throwing shit on the screen at this point so I wouldn't think about things too deeply unless you wanted a headache.
"beyond anything imagined ever" - nonsense. Starwars is derivative and backward. Its like the scifi novels of the 40s being made at a time when sci-fi was at its peak of originality. SW is just samurai in space.
The first three starting in 1977 were well done sans the Ewoks. Lucas was the original writer. There were some good ones. G. Lucas gets a salute for those. He IS the original writer. He did bring Star Wars to us. Thank you George.
THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEBODY KNOWS W T F I HAVE BEEN SAYING!!! BEEN ARGUE ING WITH SOOO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THIS MOVIE. I WAS THE FIRST TO WALK OUT THE THEATRES. THIS MOVIE WAS A DISGRACE TO STARWARS!!!!!
The bad part is the new one has nowhere to go. Kylo is supreme ruler but I know he will lose. He will get beat by rose or chewbacca or r2 d2 or daddy issues or something. They killed like all the momentum. The new one probably going to be the worst cuz they have no story now. Idk. Maybe the jedi kid will do something. Be friends with jar jar or go pod racing or something
+Aurican's Lair Did they, when the loudest minority implied that they WANTED a retread of the OT by stating their hatred of the PT, and consider Lucas a hack film maker? Hell there are fans of the OT who loved the sequels thus far, and I know why, because LucasFilm sold them the nostalgia they wanted from the PT, but never got. This fandom never wanted good films, but to relive the happiest points in their lives... So this fandom got what they deserved if you ask me...
As Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, " 'Deserves' got nothing to do with it." It would've been nice if the films had been well-made, but not because of anything to do with any fandom. Good films are simply preferable to lousy ones. After all the bad-mouthing, some of it very personal in nature, that Lucas got from fans after the prequels, I can't say I feel sorry for them.
The biggest problems with The Last Jedi are: 1. Disrepecting Luke's char (rejecting Hope & The Force, pussying out to show up personally, still dying anyway) 2. Pointless B Stories - Rose & Finn's pointless story sucked as well as serving no purpose. 3. No payoffs - All the hype and questions surrounding Ep 7 are ruined and made pointless (Snoke's identity, Rey's parents, Luke's Return)
to me the worst point of all this saga is the destruction of the lore just because they want a powerful female lead, she is a complete mary sue, but i mean fan fic level mary sue ignoring that even the choosen one needed to train, it is offensive for me how bad written this is
Trumping all of these is the sheer lack of any internal logic or consistency, even within the scope of a single scene. How did the First Order become so powerful? Where are the rest of the Republic forces?Why are people using space bombers against capital ships? How does that even work? Why is Hux now an incompetent fool? How can BB-8 hijack a scout walker and use it to kill dozens of troopers? Why on earth are Finn and Rose flying speeders in a combat situation, when neither of them know how to fly? (They are, respectively, a sanitation worker and a maintenance engineer.) How the hell does hyperspace become a lethal weapon without this destroying the logic of all previous space battles? How does Rose's reason for saving Finn make any sense at all thematically? Why does the damage to the Supremacy kill or wound almost everyone in the hangar bay aside from Rose and Finn? Why does Phasma reappear at the other side of the hangar, untouched? Why is there suddenly a turret emplacement in the middle of a hangar? The script reads like it was written by a teenager. The basic craft of writing is almost entirely missing. The film is a disaster.
There is absolutely no reason to see a sequel to this. They'll either try to back step wiping out the reason for this film or will go forward reinforcing why so many hate it. It dies an ugly death either way,
I remember walking out of this movie with my son who is also a big star wars fan and we were speechless and just looking at each other and saying WTF?!!!
Chun-Bonn Tang- To each their own, my friend. I loved the Prequels growing up and still do to this day. They are, flawed certainly, but they possess an enduring charm and originality that I enjoy. Rouge One is, probably the only thing I confess to enjoying from the Disney Era, and that's mainly due to the second half of the movie.
Disney and Kathleen Kennedy have destroyed Star Wars in 3 movies!!! I will NEVER ever forget, watching The Empire Strikes Back with my Grand father many years ago when it came out - What are these IDIOTS doing to the most pivotal movie world in cinema history!
I've never felt so angry about a film before. I'm so done with anything Disney produces. I want to vomit when i see Kathleen Kennedy's butch-like smiling face. I want to throw my phone at the wall when I see or hear anything 'Ruin' Johnson utters. I will forever see Laura Dern as one if the purple haired nightmares that helped destroy StarWars for me. I've never found Finn anything but an unwanted distraction. Token black actor instead of an actually interesting black character.
If you ask me that was pretty selfish. “Imma gonna save him and let er’body else die and we probably gonna get captured because we can’t walk back. That’s like 10-15 mins drive... not a distance you can walk with a wounded friend past withering fire.”
You are right that they don’t care. Did you notice how the characters say ”damn it” and ”godspeed” now? They don’t even care about the original ”blast it” and ”may the force be with you”. Nobody Said ”i’ve got a bad feeling about this” in the movie. They didn’t even have a real lightsaber fight in the movie. These small things have been star wars traditions. But as i said, they don’t care. This is not star wars, it is just a movie with a star wars skin.
There are millions of us who are watching videos like this non-stop as part of our mourning for Star Wars. This video, and the hundreds/thousands others like it, are incredibly cathartic. Great job.
Very true, it's been a few weeks and I'm still needing to blow off steam about this travesty of a movie almost daily with youtube vids, reviews or discussions.
Worst movie i have ever seen. Completely destroyed my love of star wars. Have no interest in seeing the 3rd one. Should have been a epic come back with the most loved movie character ever. Treated the history , lore . and characters so poorly its almost not even the same universe.
As a huge Star Wars fan, i liked the movie but i didn't like the movie. In my opinion Lukes storyline sucked, it was terribly done. So much hype when Rey showed up to give Luke his Lightsaber only to have him throw it over his shoulder...are effing kidding me...WTF!!! He is a Jedi Master, the storyline could been so much better and it wasn't, we should of gotten to see his raw power and we didn't, we should have seen Luke do so,so much more and we didn't...... In these clips Mark tells it like it is and he is pissed and he should be about the whole thing, his role should of been so much bigger. So he hit the nail right on the head.....
As a tactician, these commanders and generals were the worst ever. They helped the enemy more than hurt them. Since when do they "run out of gas" in the star wars universe?
Odin Magnus More importantly how are those guys supposed to be controlling the galaxy when they can't even spare a few ships to intercept the Resistance from the other side
Odin Magnus That would make sense except we’ve been explicitly told that they’re a formidable military force controlling the galaxy. Starkilled base was important but not everything to them. The more you dig into TLJ, the more retarded it becomes.
Odin Magnus Pilot in the mission "Bombers prepare to bomb "fighters, protect the bombers." You would think that those words would be on the briefing...
TimmyNoThumbz Yeah, that's why I tell people that its an ok movie as a stand alone. But as a trilogy it gets worse. One of my physicist friends reminded me of something, they could cut their engines and glide through a frictionless environment without burning fuel. They are already at max speed, so its pointless to keep trying to push the engines. Did they really say they were a formidable force in the universe? That's strange =p
This is important. Mark Hamill doesn't hate the movie or agree with me. He disagreed with the direction his character was taken in but acted professionally and did his job. The quotes I use at the beginning of my review were initial thoughts directed toward a single character and not the finished product. I do, however, stand by my comments that he was "warning" fans in these interviews about Luke's character being very different than before. Even though Mr. Hamill ultimately was convinced his character's changes were for the best, he was clearly communicating that audiences should adjust their expectations. As this is only my third review, this neglect for full context is a rookie mistake, which I feel a bit guilty about. I wasn't expecting this video to receive this much attention, and I thank those of you who can overlook my nasally voice and anger to appreciate the criticisms made above.
AEmovieguy Reviews I got the same vibe from Mark Hamill a year ago and was rightfully worried ever since. In positive news I can't believe this is only your 3rd review. I'm truly impressed. Something about a hard core Star Wars rant with liberal use of "jazz hands" had me in stitches. Well played
Personally I'm not convinced that Hamill was convinced. I'm fairly certain that someone brought up contractual obligations or something along those lines. What they did to Luke in this movie was so atrocious that I can't even bring myself to really consider this movie as canon in my mind. It's just really bad fan fiction.
Hes great, so down to earth, i respect him even more, he tried to warn us and in our sheer excitement and and hype, we just so expected a satisfying surprise. Props to Mark Hamil, he was a true professional, he played the character great, solid performances, you could see the emotion in him how he played the role, all while actually never agreeing with anything of how his character was written. Its all down to how episode 9 closes everything in this sequel trilogy, whether JJ even tries to answer those mystery boxes hes set up. But if episode 9 is no good, history will not look fondly on TLJ.
Luke is the only character left that has interested me in the slightest towards catching this re-re-boot. Still haven't yet, and in no hurry to here. Disappointing.
No doubt the scenes that Mark filmed were of Luke living, and the 'returning to the force' thing was post production. I really hope all of the deleted scenes are saved for posterity.
I'm an old fan bought the toys as a kid owned the shirts as a adult, loved the franchise, even though I could find fault with them all if I looked hard enough, but they all had more goood than bad in them to make them worthy, of watching again and again, but I will never watch episode 8 again, it was that bad, I call upon all fellow true fans, boycott solo ,
It's like Aliens and Alien 3. They built up a relationship with Hicks and Newt only for them to be killed off at the start of 3. So much wrong with this film and I agree with most of what you said. Fuck this film. Nothing to invest in for. I mean there is literally nothing left for me to see in Episode 9. I have no desire, no interest in it anymore. I really hope when ep.9 comes out it becomes the lowest earning of the three and screws Disney over. I've cancelled my pre-order of this film on blu-ray.
Saw Ep IV 5 times in theater in 77. SW is Luke’s story - A hero’s journey - We’ve waited too long to see him bitter and alone pulling a mind trick from a distance - Every Jedi Master has died or stood up to their foe in person - Yoda passed from old age but even he fought face to face when needed - he should have raised the XWing and fought face to face to a glorious end or martyrdom to allow the rebels escape - we would have cheered. SW should be watched in order released. We all knew it was Luke’s story. Watched in order of episode #’s it’s Darth’s story and Luke is a minor character. Except we’ve all gone on Luke’s ride since 1977. To treat him this way and not acknowledge the journey that created the fan base Disney enjoys is short sighted. Fans will not be making fan fic, radio dramas, videos, or watching this film repeatedly for decades. Yet EpIV will still be viewed when we are long gone. The journey is over I was less pissed off when I watched the Holiday Special on broadcast tv. At least that gave us Bobba Fett.
I agree! I can't help but think that Disney is intentionally trying to kill off any connection to the older trilogies. These new characters are weak, poorly written and politically driven. I saw this movie and was hoping for more from the Luke Skywalker character. I mean come on Disney! It's been 40 years!! Soooo disappointed in what has happened to the Star Wars brand.
Some one made a comment that this is an intentional, two step process Think about it. (food for thought) 1)Kill off the OG character and make them look bad for the new generation. Replace them with the new characters, and kids will buy em. New characters then make more than the old, so the old products/character merch is stopped. ( no royalites to the old actors) With no old characters, Dee$ney can truly do what ever they want the star wars name and rake in the cash in. 2) Have Rian Johnson be the fall guy. He makes a movie that does away with the old cast. And when his trilogy (that was never going to happen) gets "cancelled" it makes Da MAUS look good and makes them appear they are siding with the fans. That was someone else's idea not mine.
I agree, I wanted to see Luke going on adventures guiding the new characters and doing epic Jedi stuff seeing how powerful he's become in the Force. I thought it would have been cool if the Luke was aboard the Resistance cruiser and one of the characters say something like "Commander Skywalker's X-wing has landed" and everyone salutes him he walks across the bridge and sees Leia and they hug and later have a heartfelt talk or reminisce about their memories of Han. Also, why was there no memorial service for Han? Captain Solo, war hero. 😭
JJ Abrams made *Lost*. He's the absolute last person on Earth who cares if the "mysteries" he sets up ever pay off, or have even the slightest hint of internally consistent world building, let alone have a clue how to craft likable and relatable characters.
Yes, exactly! Abrams is a huckster who basically takes out narrative design loans that he never pays off. The idea that he should be the one to clean up someone else's mess (rather than being the one who creates the mess) is a vain hope at best.
I won't see episode 9 I could care less now after episode 8. Why did they mess with the cannon of the story :( Stupid Abrams F's up Star Trek and Star Wars.
Drackkor idk since jj has the reins back might watch it force awakens at least pays some respect to the original films. But yeah this film was pretty bad
Drackkor jj didnt direct this one he was fired and then they hired rein Johnson who they then fired in September before the release of the film because Disney knew it was bad
What would 9 Bring to the table? I’m not all that interested in seeing how Leah died which you know is coming. I couldn’t care less about Kyla Ren and ray .Po is an idiot. There’s nothing to see here. Ray has no teacher. Han is dead . They have no story to tell. At least not one I’m interested in.
You captured it perfectly. My friend is saying "at least it was new". New is not always better. Also to be honest I felt throughout the film "does this director have any original ideas?". Certain turning points are not seen in star wars before but the story is just an incohesive cut of previous star wars movies with some nonsense scenes between them. Start with the non hyperspeed chase from EP5, new rey training with a goofy jedi master who doesnt want to train her yet still does, trainee leaving master before ready, then cut to EP6 elevator scene with LITERAL LINES TAKEN and the whole sequence taken from EP6. Only the finish differs a bit. Also lets find an old gambler friend who can help us but will betray us in the most key moment. Then we get the start of EP5 with the walkers, then Ep4 with Luke's obi wan moment. Then in a totally new and surprising fashion a spit in the face. Good job. Just used old elements to lead to nonsensical scenes just for the sake of surprise. And then the galaxy can get a sliver of hope. Even though they just deastroyed a megasuper death star a week ago and lost one of the heroes of the rebellion. But NOW that Luke...does the galaxy even know what happened to him? I dont think so. Yet it brings hope to the galaxy. Brings hope to all SEVEN HEARTS WHO SURVIVED FROM AT LEAST 6000 PEOPLE WHO ARE CHEERING AFTER LOOSING ALL THEIR FORCES. And the whole movie done in that stupid tone. I feel like they made it for 6 year olds.
The movie is an empty vessel, has no substance and is unimaginative. It did not expand the UNIVERSE, but shrunk it so far as to become insignificant. Go see it if you have never seen a SW Movie, otherwise stay well away...in another galaxy far, far, away....
Every single word & emotional outburst of this review is 100% spot on! Sadly to say, unfortunately. When the majority of fan films out there can do so much better, with no budget at all, then the shit is truly hitting the fan! I wish we were in some horrible nightmare we could wake up from eventually, that we could escape from this Twilight Zone if we only find the way out or that this is just a projection from Pennywise that sends us our greatest fears of what SW one day could turn out to be. But this is no joke or bad dream or alien influence that messes with our brains to make us believe in a lie. This is reality. No wonder we wanna escape reality into fantasy when reality is this shitty. Except that Sw always used to be one of the best escapes from reality there ever was. Apparently, Disney/Lucasfilm doesn't want us to escape & feel better about it. There is a lot they don't care about as it has turned out. You also mentioned the very word I myself summon up TLJ. The word is meaningless. Thanks to TLJ, the history of SW has become meaningless, both in the saga itself but also in reality of us fans. Why has SW actually survived as long as 40 years? Remember, it was gone for a long time after 1983 until 1997! If not for the wonderful & literally lifesaving Expanded Universe we would maybe not even have SW anymore. But besides the EU, what kept SW alive all this time, & especially after the Internet came to our lives & the Prequels didn't deliver? The fact that the SW fanbase loves to talk about SW, speculate, theorize, have wishful thinking & desires of what might happen next back & forth in the time line. Endless debates & discussions. the fans became like the Force itself! SW fandom penetrates us & binds us together & we are everywhere on this planet! TFA was too much of a love letter to a lot of people, myself included. But I far more prefer getting predictable clichés that I know, love & recognize than something that is bold, takes risk & gives us all the middle finger just because we love the very product they are producing! TLJ is telling us that what has kept SW alive as a franchise, the biggest we've ever had so far in movie history, has no meaning anymore because Disney now owns the shit & we are getting NEW SW now that cares not for the past or our feelings. 40 years of movie history & millions of people's love for it is literary told by a single installment in it that all that no longer matters, that we MUST accept this change. Change is one thing, change is good, when it happens slowly & naturally 6 for the right reasons. But a total replacement of everything & neglect of all old that is not the same as change. A lot of characters die in this movie, big characters as well as mere foot soldiers, on both sides. All those deaths, including Luke's & Snoke's deaths, end up meaning, yep, nothing. Everything that was being built up, in previous films & even in TLJ itself, was meaningless, including Han Solo's death. Was meaningless, guys. That Luke once did the impossible & redeemed his father, that was in the long run meaningless. Finn's story & himself as a character, meaningless. Especially since he never evolved himself & his mission didn't change anything at all, besides that even more got killed. Sure, they gave those slave kids some hope, but why do we care when we never learn who these kids are? Luke left a map behind so the right people could find him when they truly needed him. That was meaningless, even if that was THE big plot point of TFA! Snoke is already dead, a full episode too early, which is the result of amateur writing & complete lack of knowledge of story structure. Fully agree in what you said about Snoke, who is the very reason why EVERYTHING is happening. That was the very reason why we for 2 years wondered & theorized who & what he was, how he got command of the First Order, just how did he corrupt Ben Solo to the Dark Side & most importantly, what the hell does he want! What is Snoke's end game? Domination of the galaxy? Or something else entirely? But, thanks to complete lack of professionalism & common sense, even if we afterwards should by any chance learn anything about Snoke in any novel or game or TV show or even in Ep 9, it no longer matters! Unless they have trolled us & Snoke is in fact not dead & that it was all a trick. But even that is retarded story telling. Personally, I liked the way Snoke got killed, it rhymes with how Palpatine got whacked. But it happened WAY TOO SOON for this to be satisfactory! You said it, what the hell can Ep 9 now be about? Kylo or anyone else can never fill Snoke's shoes as a master villain. And your story is never better than your villain. Which means that Ep 9 now has no story. Snoke, who had the clear potential to become our next Palpatine/Sauron/Voldemort ended up being meaningless. Everything in TLJ is just destruction & death & disappointments. It is meaningless. And all the stuff it adds, new planets, new creatures, new Force abilities, who the fuck cares about all the new stuff that in all honesty is actually cool when it still has no meaning what so ever!? Luke was so out of character. Seriously, how could they do this to us!? They made him a weak coward. he should have been in isolation to avoid capture while trying to find a way to stop Snoke & the First order, to seek new knowledge in the Force, having reached the insight that the Jedi need to change to what it originally was supposed to be. He should have been a broken man but never without determination. Luke Skywalker, sensing the Dark Side in his own nephew, the son of his twin sister & best friend, is tempted by the Dark Side, even for just a second, & decides to murder him in his sleep!? I keep asking, what freaking Twilight Zone is this!? Luke would turn that lightsaber on himself than his own flesh & blood or any student under his guidance! Not only is TLJ a symbol of what the term WTF means, it is also so much wasted potential. We never got any proper or meaningful Jedi training, Rey never really learned anything she didn't already know or could figure out herself eventually. Nor did Rey never help Luke to find himself again &/or help him find what he came to that island to learn or figure out either. Was this the first Jedi Temple? Why was this only a gave & some steps? As SW locations go that must be the biggest letdown ever. The Knights of Ren, led by Kylo, should have found the island & forced Luke into action. Talk about a magnificent action scene we never got! the perfect entrance of the Knights of Ren at last, giving Luke his reason to get back into the game AND ignote the green for a proper reason instead of a murder attempt on a child! We were also denied the confrontation between Luke & Snoke, between the two Masters. Snoke clearly feared Skywalker, it had been nice to see why! So much potential just wasted while we are at the same time being told to kill the past that is the reason why we pay for this crap. Disney/Lucasfilm is truly biting the hand that feeds them! When they make SW meaningless & the fans that love it along with it. Many indeed say that we SW fans are never happy or content, we just bitch & complain. Indeed we do. But there's a reason why we do. Because a long time ago, in a galaxy very, very near, we were given three films, today known as the original SW trilogy, & those three films were QUALITY films! Not without flaws but they had quality nevertheless. The reason why we complain now is because we were given quality from the get go & why is it wrong that we still want that? Why is it wrong to ask for the same good that we once used to get? We are more than willing to pay for it, too! So many times over. But we are getting so tired of being screwed over, again & again, by people that wanna prosper on the SW brand but don't give a shit about the saga itself or the millions that follow it.
Imylover I am 100% with you. You give us enough reasons as to why Disney and Lucas art should be put on trial for killing the dream! When you wish upon a star... Seem to no longer mean a good thing! So much potential wasted on this stupid version of the reality that could have been SW TFJ! I saw SW ANH in one of the few Buenos Aires Argentinian theatres it was showing in 1977. I was 16 yrs old and my closest cousin literally forced me to come and see it even though it was subtitled into Spanish and we spoked no English! We did not understand all that was going on but to us Star Wars was an amazing movie! I was truly hoping the Last Jedi would be that again! Why could it not be? They had the fan base, the money, the actors, the technology, the music, the other movies, books, video games and the animated series to reference from, the robots, the market was already screaming to buy whatever they wished to sell us...Disney had everything!...everything but not the "soul" nor "the magic" of the original saga and I fear that there is a darker undertone to this "farce" for it went out of its way to make it all meaningless as you have mentioned. I took my children to see the other SW movies as they came out yet I am not a die hard fan. I really liked the clone wars animated series for the back stories it brought and though I still do not agree with everything George Lucas did to his original first movie I too own a mock lightsaber and too much SW Lego. But TLJ did not go the way I hoped and has made a mockery of everything the fans have enjoyed in the last 40 or so years! If the movie was not made for the fans and the new audience were not in aw as I was in 1977, who has then benefited from this fiasco? I guess we will never know!
I saw the original release of Star Wars in 1977...after this Last Jedi BS...there's no more reason to watch anymore because ALL of the original characters are gone...
Well honestly the original characters shouldn't be carrying this series, nor should the reason you watch the new series be because of them. However, TLJ was so horrible that they NEED the old characters to carry them, but now they're all gone.
Gua Gua and they killed them in such an insulting way to us too. No real meaningful interactions. No meaningful reminiscing. Everything I ever dreamed between these characters I knew and loved - everything I ever felt - anything that anyone writing these stories after being a fan of Star Wars would have included.. just simply wasn't there. The way they've treated them really is a smack in the face. Let's not even talk about R2, C-3PO, Chewbacca etc. being made into empty images to sell a poorly written joke.
Great review. I still can't believe they take the greatest hero in the galaxy, and turn him into a coward. STOLEN VALOR!!! This is what happens when you give the reigns of an iconic story to a bunch of profit-driven, non-fan, KIDS....who have NO respect for 40 plus year fans of this story!! What else would you expect from Disney?
I still feel that nothing in this movie was ever out of the ordinary with Luke, he's fallen into the dark side before in the original trilogy, both his masters went into exile after failing. it just seems to follow the same pattern as his father and masters before him.
He was supposed to be better... he's the one that was ALWAYS hopeful... he brought VADER back for __s sake! He was supposed to be wise and powerful... instead he's idiotic and weak... a failure that has no hope. This movie is joy-less.
This movie says fuck the past and the fanboys screams "the past is all we have!!!" Thanks Rian for sending this important message to these little boys stuck in their pseudo-Shakespeare universe of self importance.
I was a little shocked that no one clapped after my opening night screening. I've had mixed/negative feelings on popular films before, but usually half of the audience still claps.This is anecdotal, though. I'm sure there are plenty of theater audiences that did clap around the country.
I saw 2 guys probably mid 20s get up and leave. The scene when leia floated back through space someone laughed and said "are you fucking kidding me mate fuck off"
I made a vow to never pay for another star wars movie since the force awakens. But my friend had free tickets to TLJ, so he dragged me into it. I drank a six pack of beer to numb my brain for the shit fest I KNEW was about to unfold. Luckily, I had to take a giant piss during the alien milking scene. I think I would have left at that point. Suffice to say. NEVER AGAIN. We should create a website for solidarity and boycott episode 9.
Thank you for this moving tribute to Star Wars. I think The Last Jedi is a casualty of big-budget movie making in general these days... and especially Disney. We are at a race to the absolute bottom... What will sell popcorn and toys?
Let Disney die, kill it if have too! You will not destroy us as die-hard Star Wars fans or the original trilogy! Hello Disney corporation, you do not deserve to own the copyrights or any part of Star Wars heritage!
Agreed... you leave out one thing with the Luke Kylo story. Luke's test to become a Jedi was to turn Vader back to the light which means he well understands the concept of redemption. Then why does he act out as though he has never learned this lesson by trying to kill Kylo? Makes no sense. I just saw several have already made this point below, but I hope Disney just stops here.
This movie, even when ignoring the other films or Star Wars in general, is simply a mess. Bad writing, stupid humor and completely ignoring TFA. I liked the TFA (although only after viewing it a second time) and Rogue 1. There was tension, there was humor (but not in a ridiculous way), but most importantly, after watching these movies I wanted more. There is none of that in TLJ, each time I thought "Hey, this might get interesting" it amounted to nothing. Each and every time the most illogical outcome is chosen for any plotpoint. This also applies to all the plot points carried over from TFA. Characters are underdeveloped, dramatic or tense moments lose their impact because of the stupid (slapstick) jokes and the end result is that I did not care about anything that happened. And you described exactly how I felt after watching this mess, I don't care about what comes next. What is left for J.J. Abrams to work with? This movie sort of already concluded the trilogy (dilogy?).
So making all the achievements of the heroes of the trilogy failures (The First Order is stronger than the Rebellion), turning Han Solo into a pathetic looser trying to recapture his lost youth, and Luke Skywalker into some sort of coward who just ran away from it all, didn't?
Will Nitschke I had hopes Luke was actually doing something important, and that Rian would flesh out what was going on in the republic. Don't get me wrong, I didn't care for TFA, but I did cling to hope for the franchise. TLJ to me was Disney saying 'oh, you care about this? Fuck you"
That was an extreme long shot, given what they'd done to Han Solo and how powerful they'd made The First Order. To me TFA was a big brainless "fuck you". Rogue One didn't actually shit on the franchise, it was just a bad movie.
The first Star Wars movie I only watched once in theaters. Only once. I watched Rogue One 3 or 4 times. TFA almost 7 times (can't remember) because of all the questions it left with no answers, and I was watching micro-expressions for answers... which in the end was a huge waste of time and money... Because, Eight.
Sraye Same here. I had no desire to go back. Saw every other at LEAST twice. It's such a buzzkill. I feel so drained thinking about sitting through it again. No thanks.
"Destroy my childhood hero". And that was the point. These movies are statement pieces, nothing more. They are meant to deconstruct cultural icons, trash them, and replace them with concepts of "diversity", and "feminism". They destroy Luke because he symbolizes classic heroism, and knighthood, embodied in a simple man. Cultural Marxists abhore tradition, traditional mythology, and traditional ideals. Destroy the world, and rebuild it into what you want it to be. They clearly state for you exactly what they want to do with this franchise; let the past die... kill it if you have to.
That line literally pisses me off. It is LITERALLY Disney saying "Get over it, we through away your 30 year grown expanded universe and this is OUR franchise now so we're going to tell OUR story weather you like it or not, so get over it." Like K thanks, Rogue One was good for sure, but everything else you've given us can get trashed. Disney will NEVER beat the Expanded Universe.
Jkd Buck76 I just made that point yesterday to someone too! Luke trained hard and STILL failed. It changed him profoundly, made him much stronger and wiser, less impulsive. Today's society is steeped in impulsiveness. Its the main way they get people to ruin their futures, when you promote the "culture of now" that permeates every facet of our country. Social Marxism at its finest.
It was a terrible story, should of been given to a great writer, with a grand knowledge of Star Wars history and mythology, I mean would we want mr Johnson to write the last game of thrones novel? Hux would of fitted into a carry on film playing Kenneth Williams , he did not come across as a grand moff tarkin type. Or count duku strong character, this film seems to of deliberately set out to make fun of Star Wars and it's money paying fans,
Rian Johnson wanted to make something different for the sake of doing something different without stopping to think if it made sense or not. Everybody expected solid shit, so he shat liquid instead. Doesn't make it any better, but hey! "It's new and different, it's bold!". I don't get the argument that just because it is new it's automatically a good thing.
There's nothing more to say. SW is dead. TLJ will be remembered as one of the greatest mistakes ever made on human culture. I'm not gonna watch any other SW movie anymore. Lets SOLO dies alone on arrive!
Between TFA and TLJ Disney virtually loaded everyone up on a rollercoaster, it got to the top, everyone waited for the big moment of excitement, and the ride slowly rolls back five minutes later and everyone is asked if they enjoyed it as they get off.
SuperNavatar butthurt fanboys are 52% of the audience against 48% of lowwits yes-people. Without us (butthurts) SW goes nowhere! Its market is done. 😉 Perhaps you mean contrarians to good taste, don't you? Ok. Good luck with it. It takes balls to be honest and have criticism before that evil Disney machine paying the media to sell this crap as good! Enjoy your movie 😈
Task Casburn many people disliked TFA but personally I gave it a chance. Not perfect but neither bad for starting a new trilogy. Plot ambiguity was to be solved on the following installments after passing the torch... but didn't happen. As I see it, Rian Johnson not only ruined the original canon but also the new one. A real mess! 😡
TLJ is an abomination.
We should have listened, we should have listened to mark.
well now we know, and we can all take a page from marks book and just say that was jake skywalker. we can come up with our own sequel trilogy or fall back into the EU
TheOneBadAssGamer I'm falling back to EU. I'm not gonna abandon star wars by saying it's dead, but I will not support Disney's abomination.
you have more faith than I
I did listened but I still wanted to see what would happen. Made no difference.
The EU will always be canon to those of us who remember it. May the Force be with you.
Seeing Luke tossing his lightsaber over his shoulder in the first scene was really a big fcuk you to the audience. Then Leia survives in the vacuum of space, casually flying back to her ship. Wtf
They do that twice. Shrek's sister opens the bomb bay doors and like... nothing happens to her, the atmosphere around her etc.
Elmgren76 a Jedi grandmaster trying to kill ben solo while he was asleep because he sensed some darkness; enough said.
No, not enough said.
The same Jedi grandmaster who looked at Vader, the man who cut off his hand, butchered hundreds (and presided over the deaths of thousands) and served as the right hand of tyranny for several decades, and said "I can fix this"
And all that is gone in TLJ
Now I think it's enough said.
Elmgren76 no one laughed...we all sat there silent...I think we were all shocked.
I wasn't surprised he threw it tbh. That saber is responsible for many deaths, and almost brought down the Jedi order twice. To hell with it. And yeah while rediculous, I think the point to be conveyed by Leia in space is her strength in the force
I can't believe they made Luke try to kill a kid in his sleep.
And failed...
"I can't kill my own father."
...who has already killed billions.
But I can kill my own sleeping nephew who is only exhibiting a risk and is still in my school.
Right? That’s a punk move that Luke wouldn’t make. If Luke felt the need to kill him, especially since that’s his nephew, he would make it a point to have a face-to-face stand off.
Jeff Block would be pretty awks to explain to Han and Leia that he may have killed their only child because of a hunch.
But I get the jist of it all. In hindsight it could have been explained that Snoke interfered heavily in that scene in an attempt to turn Luke to the dark side or Ben. In both cases Snoke wins so it makes sense.
But I’m assuming that they decided not to go that way because they wanted to humanise Luke by showing he made mistakes when given the mantle of Master. Probably would have worked as well if they showed the images of what Ben would do as Luke was reading his thoughts so that the audience actually connects to his decision.
I didn’t have many gripes with the film. Most of the criticisms are the same criticisms that were given to the originals when they were released. It has problems but it’s added an interesting Kylo-Rey dynamic that we haven’t had in the films before. I mean I can only remember Bastilla and Revan comparing. But at there’s a possibility that the dynamic will be dropped in 9.
All in all I liked it, think it will grow on most people. I’m more worried about where they’re going with 9 tbh.
@Skunk12 they understand, they just hate it.
This film broke my heart.
Obi-Wan Kenobi General kenobi..
We need you Obi Wan!
Obi-Wan Kenobi how true.
Hello there
well, they deal with absolutes, can't help them
This made Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith look like a Blessing The Last Jedi was pure TRASH! This made Jar Jar Binks look good.
TDS Darth Wage jar jar is no longer the worse character in Star Wars. Hell, he isn’t even in the bottom three anymore. This movie has given us the two worst characters in SW history (holdo and rose)
@@raidthanfl you forgot Sequel Trilogy Leia and Luke. They are nothing like their true characters. Leia is a Senator not a General and Luke is a character that always saw the good in people and he would never have abandoned his friends
Attack of the Clones is beautiful compared with this shit
Mark hamills expression in the thumbnail says it all
Disney destroyed the undestroyable. Great job.
"Undestroyable?" Really? Have you seen the prequel trilogy. Star Wars was ruined when Lucas made Phantom Menace.
PT, ....Controversial.....yes. Destroyed....no. Not by a long shot. One of the big differences for me is that a lot of problems ( depending on which adventure ) in the PT are very cosmetic problems and could be fixed with a nicely done recut ( Or Ultimate Cut or whatever you wanna call it ) TLJ is utter foundational rot laced with political and social agenda's.
Expanded universe(and mark hamil) to disney if you strike me down then I will grow far more powerful(and popular) then you can possibly imagine
The new "star wars" "he's(Disney's) more machine(discraceful) than man(what any human can do) twisted and evil
I like most fans don't care much for the Prequels. Even with their drawn out Dialogue, Heavy.. Heavy CGI that looked bad even at Premier, and Shaky Acting at times the Prequels are still better than TLJ. TFA suffers from a lot of the same problems as TLJ BUT and this important.. it snakes by Fans Approval cause it basically got copied straight from a New Hope, so at least it felt kinda like Star Wars.
I will never see a film directed by Rian Johnson. Never again. I wish he wouldn't make any more.
Michael MacLeod I regret owning looper. Gunna need to take it to the gun range.
Rian Johnson is the worst director in history, a 12 year old kid could have done better than this story. I agree will never see another film he is associated with no matter what.
Hamill did know. I was so pissy with him leading up to the movie. He was terribly negative in interviews. Now I’m get it. Respect to him for speaking his mind against Hollywood and that awful Kennedy. People want her burned at the stake. Lol. I don’t know about that but certainly it is clear she needs to get out of the way of Star Wars. She failed terribly.
pls dont connect this shit movie to feminist movements, there are in no way connected. What you write says more about your strange Ideology, in fact movies like this are antifeminism propaganda created by a small group of men in a sticky room with a public white woman face like kathleen kennedy. All to be received as supposed feminist advertisement for guys like you. So thank you for being a part of the group destroying new movies ...
Mononoke Major are you replying to me? Have I mentioned feminism once?!? Lol. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you replied to the wrong person. If however you are speaking to me then I’ll let you know dust I think.
After seeing the movie I can't deny at all that he is an artist who preserved his integrity and spoke out his creative disagreements but the machine disagreed with him. Hey like he also said though... it's just a movie. We need to move on. This one sucked. Maybe JJ can salvage a decent product out of Rian's mess for the third.
No iam a human who tries to make a point in these times you must write things hundred times to be sure the people get it right and dont missfake your statments. It seems you are one of the Fakers Adam P, did you read my comment or are you the same thing you said about me?
-what is the point of insulting people? maybe insulting people restores your manhood in front of your sick fantasy. Why should charakters with no backstories, with no personality, with poor written charakters and with behaviour that nobody understands be in any way manly or womanly? The anwer is because a brand like Disney, a certain typ of "journalists" and media, people who jump on trends trains and of course people with a ideology based on fear and virility problems who should improve their empathy ( one of most importants feelings in the human society) and stop acting like mindless zombies sponsored by multinational Companies.
Remember you have a certain thing named brain, use it!!!!
Good day
pls think before you write things that contradict themself...
so now iam guilty of destroying a franchise thank you it my only purpose to do that iam happy to see that you are hurt by this iam so manly XDD
I will never shut up , nobody in this shit world willl ever again shut my mouth not my dad, not my mother, not the gouverment, not any kind of company and of course not any typ of antique ideolgy in a guy like you.
ANd you know what i think ?
well if i would think my view is the only view point to the situation i would be very surprised by your comments. Do i seem surprised by you ?
Well maybe iam but not by your view more by your anwsers. Why in hell do you contradict yourself in the second line after writing "whole little ideology blows and your pretentious blown out of proportion self importance" and i must say i laught loud out when i read that hahahahahahaha. hahhahahahhahahah
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ahhhhh well my ideology didnt explode ahhahhaahhh but its time that your Big Ideology implodes like a star which exploded like a supernova, it times that your internet devise shut down for ever because of contradicting writing. And time will come when you should go around
thinking about other thinks than your "keep your mouth shut" policy, maybe this works with your family or who ever, but not with me fucking piece of fucking shit on a warm sommer day , do you really think that your comment feels in any way as a danger for me ? It only proves your own insolent behaviour
but iam ok with my insolent behaviour?
right maybe you understand the point and maybe you can grow as a person.
I love that Mark Hamill warned us all. 100% agreed. Don't support this direction with your $$. Disney will only "get it" if the money stops flowing.
Aeon Underhand he couldn’t walk away. He signed a contract before George sold Lucasfilm. He had to be in these movies
TristanThePest I will wait until this shit is on TV. There is no way in hell I am giving Disney my money.
Everyone needs to go look on RUclips "The Lost Jedi". It is a fan-made Episode 8. It is what I dreamed Star Wars VIII would be.
Jews will get their money anyway. Ever heard of the Federal Reserve?
This movie was absolutely 100% effing TERRIBLE! The only thing, the ONLY FREAKING thing they would have had to do to make this movie decent was make Luke the total badass Jedi he deserved to be. He's the most powerful Jedi ever and we got NOTHING! We got stick fight in which he loses. Are you even kidding me?? This movie pissed me off in so many ways. In all honesty Disney should issue a retraction and proclaim this movie will no longer be part of the trilogy and try again. It's that bad. Like literally. Poor Mark Hamill. I feel for the guy
I'll quote someone else's comment I had read shortly after seeing this movie: "...waited 30 years to finally see Luke fight as a Jedi Grandmaster...turns out he's a fucking coward." LOL
Sir Isley Got that right
This movie destroyed everything meaningful about this franchise. How can anyone even go back to the original films and have any respect for Luke and his hero's journey knowing how things turn out in the end? I saw the original in 1977 and Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson ruined it. The second most offensive aspect of this movie, (after destroying Luke's entire back story, and character), was the in your face social social justice diatribe. We have General Gender Studies, a character nobody ever heard of or cares about, who comes off as a cringeworthy parody of social justice, dying in a manner that would have probably have been better suited for Ackbar, (who was simply blasted out of his ship in a battle). Under Kathleen "the force is female" Kennedy and Rian "tear it all down" Johnson's treatment, nobody has to be special or go through any personal journey and rigorous training to be a Jedi; heck everyone can do it. After two movies, it is obvious that Rey can do anything, so it is impossible for her to grow as a character. This movie was really bad, full of plot holes and contrivances, involving characters nobody cares about. This is a Disney reboot and retelling of the entire franchise that destroys the entire cannon and replaces it with SJWs that will rule the galaxy where white men are either evil or goofs. It is perfectly possible to have strong women characters without demeaning men. Laura Dern's character was an absolute joke. I am now rooting for the First Order to destroy these cringeworthy characters (not that I will see the next installment). The franchise, outside of marketing porgs, is dead. The Last Jedi? No. The First Mary Sue.
Totally agree with your points. I will stick to episodes 1-6 and the SW Extended Universe novels.
It was so poorly done that you couldn't try and screw it up any more than they did. It answered no questions, was lazily written, and made no attempt to even try and connect the stories. Shame on Rian Johnson and Kennedy in making such trash. They were given a Ferrari and only needed to not crash it. Instead they drove into the grand canyon.
I can only assume they were actively trying to mess it up. It felt like they were trying to insult the viewers.
o_O That article. "The last Jedi doesn't care what you think about it, and that's why it's great!"... "The chef doesn't care if you think his cooking's appetizing, that's why it is!".... "Crap doesn't care wether or not it smells good, that's why it does!". Oh no, I'm going derpy... I've gotta go look at something that makes sense.
You got this right. Shows how brain washing the media is. Sad.
Luke isn't killed off. He projected twice. He's having a beer on tatooine
Lol. That would be one of the greatest retcons ever.
*JJ taking notes on this comment furiously*
Brandon Gray lmao!!!!
Brandon that's the damn truth. It's time for Rian... to end.
He's having some death sticks
This movie ruined Star Wars for me too. I simply have to convince myself that the Disney movies are not canon...
The Thrawn Trilogy is the true canon - even Lucas endorsed it as such
Thanks! I will be sure to read it.
They aren't. Any true fan should not consider them as such.
Nick Knack STFU about this “true fan” shite. You God Damned fool.
+Nick Knack
The "true fans" are what got us into this debacle in the first place. You shit on George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, you shit on the Expanded Universe, which has kept Star Wars alive between Return of the Jedi and the Phantom Menace, and you shit on other fans for not agreeing with you. So take your "true fan" and shove it up your ass.
I wished this film wasnt canon
Legendary - Sorry to be the smartass here but.... Just dont accept it! The movies makes no sense (especially Lukes role) and there are so much Novels & Comics out, there are much more fun to read! Fuck Disney!!! They would Not be abel to make new movies if they Not kicked the Canons that came out after Episode 6!
Yes, it doesn't become canon unless we believe it is. The masses. Too many are convinced that the movies is all Star Wars is. There's a whole expanded universe of Books, Games, Comics, and Animated Series that's way more complete, and magnificent than the trash recent films. Start with the books by Timothy Zahn that carry off where the Return of the Jedi ended. Then theres the animated series like Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels, screw Disney, we will override them in deciding what's canon.
To me, the only canon movies are; the original trilogy and the prequels trilogy,... and that´s it. Oh!... and rogue one.
Anyone who thinks Leia-freakin'-Superman is canon should have their head examined. THAT ONE SCENE was the "get-off-board" moment on my accepting the new direction. Plain and simple. NOTHING that retarded ever occurred in the Expanded Universe. And Snoke's stupid death scene was the final nail in the coffin for me, where I finally had to admit to myself that I am not enjoying this story at all. If it weren't for the fact that my ticket cost money, I would have waked out at that moment. Sitting through the rest of the movie was a painful endurance....
Legendary If you just go by legends, then everything is still good xD
I was willing to give Rey a pass when she showed up to Luke a scared character in need of guidance
When Rey took no time to master anything and everything Luke had to offer and Luke seemed totally taken aback and seemingly unable to offer her any guidance beyond anything she didn't already know how the fuck was she not a Mary Sue
I'm an Asian living in Asia and you can cut the whole galactic Monte Carlo subplot which would actually have made the whole movie better
They had to get an "income inequality" reference in their gospel of outer space social justice.
It's obvious that the entire movie was written and directed by someone who hates Star Wars and it's fans.
A corollary of this: most of the positive reviews have come from people who are not Star Wars fans, as in essence they delight in the subversive goading of those fans. So the movie is being applauded for the degree to which it sticks a middle finger up at the people who loved the IP.
It's baffling to me that such an action should be encouraged. It's like making a High School Musical movie that features no musical numbers whatsoever, announcing that this is bold and subversive, then laughing at upset HSM fans and calling them "salty" for being so stuck in the past.
Agreed. I can't imagine any real fan enjoying what Rian did with this IP. It's so bad that it honestly felt intentional.
I honestly feel like we got trolled, like there is a small fractal chance it was actually an Epic Trolling.
absolutely!
His Ego was stronger than his caring of fans. With the decision of JJ Abe and tossing out the EU. They could go and have the high arrogance to think they could rewrite a whole new universe in one go, better than all the writers before who all collaborated for many years to get things right. Thank God we still have the EU and it's strong development. Maybe it will become so large it just totally overshadows the films and they will give up trying to do it their own way with each new Director and just follow what works.
Kathleen Kennedy ruined Star Wars.
No you shit bag racist trolls ruined Star Wars
Hey, you are forgetting that Rian Johnson did too
Wow. Bravo. I agree with you 100%. You sound just as defeated as I feel.
In my circle of friends (read: nerd group), everyone in the group is an expert in some area of nerd/geekdom, but we all share an interest in Star Wars. While the interest is shared, I'm far and above the Star Wars expert, the fanatic. I spent 19 years engrossed in the expanded universe material. I read comics. I bought books. I played games. I sought out everything I could find. I could out-trivia anyone on the subject of Star Wars.
So when Disney bought Lucasfilm, I was incensed when the decision was made to nix the EU in favor of Disney's own forthcoming continuity...a decision no doubt made because of its greater monetization potential. We've had three Disney Star Wars movies, and each one has beaten the fan out of me. I was upset with _TFA_ from the first sentence of the initial text crawl and was angry when I left the theater. For being such a "super fan", I thought JJ had done a pretty poor job in the details. _Rogue One_ was a story I didn't think needed to be told. It was pretty, but the characters were wholly uninteresting, and if reports are to be believed, the initial write/cut of the movie would have been far better than what the rewrite/reshoots gave us. Ashamedly, I admit that the hype for _TLJ_ grabbed me up and carried me along through the premiere night. I was puzzled at some of Rian's choices as I watched the movie, but went to bed that night feeling decent about the experience. The next day, when I began to process the movie, I realized I'd been duped. And after much consideration, I realized that _TLJ_ removed any expectation I had for Episode IX. For the first time ever in my life, I didn't care where the next Star Wars movie went, and that has been _one of_ the most disappointing realizations I've ever had.
My nerd group has been pretty positive about the movie, and that, too, has been a supreme disappointment. Adding to the frustration of it all is that my opinion seems to carry no weight whatsoever in the time that Disney has been in ownership of Star Wars, so I've kept my dissatisfaction to myself. I came to RUclips to verify I wasn't just being a nitpicker, and you have plucked the words right out of my mind. Again, bravo. I could not have said it better myself. You apologize for making some of your points in a hyperbolic manner, but the manner only speaks to your passion for Star Wars and the massive defeat you feel thanks to TLJ.
To conclude: From my personal perspective, *Disney* ruined Star Wars, but TLJ was the last straw. I come to Star Wars for the adventure, the characters, the escapism. Hollywood seems to think that politics, SJW talking (read: shouting) points, and nihilism need to be an integral part of all "entertainment" these days, and nothing is further from the truth.
Thank you for sharing, Joshua Knight. I read every word. I, too, was in the minority opinion among my friends when The Force Awakens came out. Luckily, one of my best friends and I were on the same page for Rogue One and The Last Jedi. It is great to have someone with which you can relate your frustrations. If I could be that person for you, than editing this long video was worth it. I didn't make this review to upset people who enjoyed The Last Jedi. I'm glad they enjoyed it. I made this video for those who didn't enjoy it and feel alone. I hope you are well in the New Year!
I felt the same way. I left feeling decent but as the movie processed I got angry because this film felt like a slap in the face as someone who idolized Luke as a kid and been a fan for the better part of 19 years watching the movies, buying toys, playing games, and reading books and now watching the franchise I love be destroyed.
That's strange. Would have thought that nerds hate it even more. I don't consider myself a nerd, neither my family nor my friends. Still from all these people only one person really liked the movie. Namely my brother, whose favourite movie franchise is Transformers...
Everyone else complained about the many plotholes, stupid character decisions and out of place humour.
You summed up exactly how I felt. I was alright when I came out and thought it was "good" or at least "alright".
Then I slept on it and one of the first thoughts the next morning was "... it really wasn't that good".
Sad, sad feeling.
Joshua Knight , you are not alone bro... it has ruined all excitement about future shit disney does now. I will still watch them eventually on netflix or redbox dvd but im super annoyed with the whole thing to where ill avoid diving into fan theory stuff or going to the theater at all for future installments.
This movie is a mess... The only way to fix it would be episode 9 starts with Rey waking up after a long sleep on the millennium falcon at the end of TFA... and the whole of episode 8 being a bad dream she had....
Totally erasing it from Canon...
And while I’m on that subject, why not sign up on the petition currently running to get Disney erase it from SW canon!
I only wish we could all wake up and realise it was a nightmare too
David Garcia the only thing that will make this trilogy good is to non canonlise it
Even better would be Han waking up from a snooze going 'I had a terrible dream' and Luke being there going 'Really? Tell me about it?' Abrams started the fire with TFA, Johnson merely poured gasoline on top.
Why not have Luke/Leia/Han waking up the morning after Endor, both having the same dream/force vision (Disney Star Wars where all heroes faill) and deciding to never give up and de-canonize all of Disney with it (and go back to the old Expanded Universe ;) )
Honestly, this is the only way for me to interpret this trash without running mad about how LucasFil could have made TLJ happen.
Star Wars loses Luke =Loses 80% fans
Darian Vistica disney runied star wars
You'd think the assholes would have learned from the Transformers movie of 1986. But nope.
There was so many stories left to tell with Luke. So much more Jedi stuff that could have come to light after all his training, and experienced perspective. But naw..just keel him over in the 2nd of 3 films. nailed it. smh
what do you expect from a feminist and an amateur director. must say mark hamill is a great actor though.
if he would have any honor he would have committed harakiri instead of participating in this turd.
robdbzgt07 Yes!..that’s an extremely accurate statement!
It really makes one wonder what the hell Bob Iger was thinking ..especially allowing a feminist and non-fan to be in charge of such an important franchise.
How can Disney executives and producers not take the time research to determine what the elements are from original films that created this enormous fandom in the 1st place?!
Only a complete idiot would handle this trilogy without the sacred care and reverence it deserves.
I love Luke sky walker he’s the only reason I went to this train reck. When Rey beat him
In hand to hand combat I WAS SO DONE with Star wars
Jose Montano that's is exactly what I thought
This single scene says so much about how she's a Mary sue. It's the perfect and incontestable proof.
Rey didn't beat Luke in hand to hand. They were fighting with sticks, Luke dodged every strike like it was nothing. Then she drew a lightsaber and he went, Woah there. It is a little like saying, yeah I beat Mayweather. Once I pulled a gun he quit...
Actually she does not beat him she is disarmed by Luke then she force pulls the light saber to her and draws it against Luke who has no weapon to defend against it with.
Mary Sue never had any training and knocked Luke on his ass. This is a Jedi Master! TLJ was feminist dog shit
The morals of the original star wars - Work hard and you may fail. Keep working and you may be victorious.
The morals of the new star wars - Some people are just better than others...
This is why they dont work.
SW OT theme= dont let the mistakes of the past define you- there is still hope a chance to become a better person SW NT theme= who cares about where you come from it doesnt matter, the past was a mistake, get rid of it burn it if you have too.
TheRagdollrejects Exactly, jedi powers not earned or trained like lukes were for starters. He developed his story,powers over the first three lucasfilms. I dont count disney ones as Star wars movies, just a poor, sjw clone.
Our mission: Let everything Star Wars tank from here on out until both Kennedy and Johnson have been fired for good.
Pupi Schlumpi I will dance on their graves. :)
Pupi Schlumpi
That won't happen. This franchise is going in the direction as planned. Welcome to a world of SJWs, forced feminization and fascist left wing politics.
I agree. Johnson’s treatment of Luke Skywalker (the heart of the whole story) was criminally wrong. I’m done and - I was at the theatre in 1977 as a geeked out 13 year old. Star Wars meant something to me. Now dead.
this movie killed my love to star wars...they killed off Luke, the symbol of peace between the force..., they need to reboot this movie..
Angel Alatorre the reboot would be a peice of shit too
Everyone dies eventually. Stop being so stuck in the past. Like Kylo Ren said "let the past die"
@@casualgamer09- it doesn't mean the legacy of those who pass need to be shit on. You got some pretty asinine logic there bud
Disney announced that the comics and books were no longer canon. I am announcing that fans have decided that the LAST JEDI and FORCE AWAKENS are no longer canon, instead that was some trash fan film shit.
Well said !
Fire Kathleen Kennedy
Luke Skywalker you mean set her on fire?
I imagine she is the modern day Palpertine of Lucasfilm.
Mark Hamill : Lucasfilm will never stand for this.
Kathleen Kennedy : I AM LUCASFILM !!!!!!
Kathleen Kennedy is in charge of this pile of shit. She is obsessed with women in roles in and off the film, that she has 6/8 writers women. I have no problem with women doing it but you can tell they got hired for their gender opposed to having good ideas(The story was complete shit with no imagination and poor writing ) . She is wearing shirts that say '' force is female '' and just about every interview she is in talks about women in roles. Then attacks the male audience as not having to cater to them, who actually the ones who built this brand mainly.
She promised George she would take care of the Characters. THAT WAS A LIE !
Rey is a Mary Sue ! Stronger then all before her, with no training needed, Just knows everything with ease.
No doubt a creation of Cuntleen kennedy to gather in more female fans but iit just ruins the story.
Teased the fans in episode 7 of just having Luke in the film for 10 seconds.
Episode 8, now Luke is a attempted child Killer just because he sensed some dark side from Ben, by the way is not Luke. Luke would never do that. This is Cuntleen Kennedy degraded the character Luke and killed off the real hero, to make way for the new SJW sw.
This fucking dumb cunt is getting nearly none of the responsibility for this train wreck when she is the one in charge. Ruin Johnson is just a Yes man.
OUT OF A CANNON INTO THE SUN!!!!
Why? Because you didn't like a Star Wars movie? The new films are perfectly fine. Nothing will ever top the original trilogy so people need to stop going into the theater with some expectations of magic and just enjoy seeing things happening in the Star Wars universe. People that keep hating on Star Wars IMO seem like a bunch of ungrateful children who have learned right and wrong and how to behave from the internet.
Star Wars is no longer for nerds.
It's for dude-bros,and soccer moms.
Soy boys and wymen.
What's wrong with Star Wars expanding? Why does it have to cater to one specific group of people? Lol
Joshua Sixx Because when you try to appeal to everyone you’re more likely to disappoint everyone and worst of all lose the original fans.
Johnny Doe Well met 🖒
Johnny Doe - and they do don't want to see it
The movie now has a 49% fan rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Thanks fans for letting our voices be heard. I still am shocked that it got such high professional reviews. It threw away all the ideas from episode 7, and it had so many tone issues, they just couldn't decide whether it should be serious, or comedic, or dark, or light hearted, and it was up and down and all over the place. It was a dumpster fire.
Nelekets they don’t want to give a Disney film a bad review.
Paid critics obviously.
In my opinion episode 7 was just a rehash of 4 5 and 6, more planet killing weapons another Force sensitive found on a desert planet, another father and sun on bridge etc etc I like how the last Jedi has had the courage to go a different direction because episode 7 was just like watching a repeat of the old movies!
Nobody is really disputing that, but the story telling mechanisms in episode 7 were better. It at least had good story continuity, and the characters were set up well and interesting. Then in episode 8, there was no more character progression of the new characters... not to mention the plot being awful. It's a train wreck now.
@Thecriticom No man wtf. TLJ is also a rehash of 4/5/6. Do you even watch the OT before spell bullshit? If it has a ball it could made Rey fall to the darkside with Snoke to kill Ben. That's bold. Not this mess.
Kennedy demanded Luke Skywalker be killed because Mark Hamill is not a yes man and challenged them to make a good movie. Kathleen Kennedy doesn't want good movies and she doesn't love Star Wars. She only loves her share holders. Get rid of this horrible miserable woman.
I'm starting to think the same. The way they just fade Luke out while he is sitting on the rock could have easily been done without Hamill's prior knowledge. After the premiere there is footage of Rian and Mark being interviewed and the look on Mark's face is of total bewilderment, like he just found out he got fired.
Source?
The Force is with this review.
#METOOHAMILL
While I liked the movie... I unexpectedly loved this video
Obi-Wan Kenobi would you say...this review has the high ground?? Ehhh??😂
you mean the force is STRONG with this one.?
It broke mine as well. All the missed opportunities like hearing Obi Wan In Rey’s force back in TFA. Didn’t build on anything.
Welcome to the Last Jedi: the movie where everybody is JarJar and the plot doesn't matter, just like a terrible knockoff kid's movie.
You insult Jar Jar by comparing him to this shitfest.
I didn't mind the prequels actually. At least there was some character development of Anakin Skywalker. Mary Sue has no character development and neither do any of the other new clowns. When I went to see The Last Jedi, the scene where Rose crashes into Finn to save him from the First Order canon, I literally heard booing from somewhere in the audience. Not lying.
TPM told a very serious story with one comic relief character directed toward kids. The Last Jedi feels like the whole movie is directed toward kids.
pls dont connect this shit movie to feminist movements, there are in no way connected. What you write says more about your strange Ideology, in fact movies like this are antifeminism propaganda created by a small group of men in a sticky room with a public white woman face like kathleen kennedy. All to be received as supposed feminist advertisement for guys like you. So thank you for being a part of the group destroying new movies ...
Just like rebels
I wish Luke would have ignited it slowly and said something like “I thought I lost this” while waving it around like in a New hope.
The Reptile Room ignite what
LANDO 2187 GAMING 3 His lightsaber you dingleberry.
Luke: “Is the dark side stronger?”
Yoda: “No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive.”
In this new trilogy, Rey takes the path of the dark side in that she gets Force powers too easily, while Kylo Ren, the underwhelming heir of the Skywalker lineage, has trained his whole life, which is more of the original concept for the light side. The light and dark side’s have literally been inverted in the new trilogy, where the light path is actually the dark side, and the dark path is actually the light side.
I really thought it would be an interesting twist that Rey had been using the dark side all along, thus explaining her rapid growth with the Force, and it would've added some interesting conflict and would partially justify how rapidly she learned. Sadly, it seems there just is no explanation for Rey's power.
All Skywalkers learned fast, especially Luke. That is not a deal breaker or maker. The rebels are still the ones being hunted and killed. They are still just trying to survive and establish peace.
Divine Pollination rock paper scissors, Rey bets all. Also men suck and story arch means nothing. Also raped by a nice woke that taught her language that she force fucks out of Luke's head so she can womansplain.
And one last thing... quit sexualizing the females in the story. They don’t deserve those thoughts so be ashamed of yourself.The female characters are the only ones that have a true grasp of how to put the universe together. And btw know it alls, Rose is transgender. Don’t assume what you don’t know.
These are children's movies now. They are just throwing shit on the screen at this point so I wouldn't think about things too deeply unless you wanted a headache.
Luke Skywalker is Star Wars
Disney destroyed his unfinished adventures.
Danny Reyna let's be fair, they wiped out the Expanded Universe so they trashed most of his completed adventures also.
Assume room Temperature this is not the Luke I know. He wouldn't run nor hide especially when he has a nephew he has to put in check.
I hated this movie! Thanks Disney for ruining Star Wars for so many fans of the original saga.
I don't know about you guys, but I feel the need to apologize to George Lucas now.
nah, he still always sucked XD
just someone who managed to single handedly create something that is/was beyond anything imagined ever, but ok, yeah george "always sucked"
"beyond anything imagined ever" - nonsense. Starwars is derivative and backward. Its like the scifi novels of the 40s being made at a time when sci-fi was at its peak of originality. SW is just samurai in space.
He sold Star Wars to Disney.
He is equally responsible.
The first three starting in 1977 were well done sans the Ewoks. Lucas was the original writer. There were some good ones. G. Lucas gets a salute for those. He IS the original writer. He did bring Star Wars to us. Thank you George.
I will never count these film sjw movies as cannon. I will never show them to my kids . Star wars ends with Return of the Jedi.
Gamer Space if you show your kids the original films they will probably want to watch episode 7,8,9
Gamer Space And begins with rogue one or a new hope. (I enjoyed Rogue one but still...)
fuck you, jar jar is a great character and your kids deserve to see him
Gamer Space Show them the clone wars tv show
yup i will never show any nephews or nieces these fucking shit movies
THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEBODY KNOWS W T F I HAVE BEEN SAYING!!! BEEN ARGUE ING WITH SOOO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THIS MOVIE. I WAS THE FIRST TO WALK OUT THE THEATRES. THIS MOVIE WAS A DISGRACE TO STARWARS!!!!!
Gilbert Rodegeb i agree but at least the porgs r adorable tho
Dude, it's "arguing". Jesus. I agree on everything but your spelling.
yeah I have no interest in seeing any new star wars movies
Isn't it sad... Like a dear old friend was shot by a firing squad.
not anymore
They'll miss your money but other than that, so what?
Don't - we shouldn't. Its our only power against the corporate evil of Disney
The bad part is the new one has nowhere to go. Kylo is supreme ruler but I know he will lose. He will get beat by rose or chewbacca or r2 d2 or daddy issues or something. They killed like all the momentum. The new one probably going to be the worst cuz they have no story now. Idk. Maybe the jedi kid will do something. Be friends with jar jar or go pod racing or something
Hated it. The fandom deserved way better.
+Aurican's Lair
Did they, when the loudest minority implied that they WANTED a retread of the OT by stating their hatred of the PT, and consider Lucas a hack film maker? Hell there are fans of the OT who loved the sequels thus far, and I know why, because LucasFilm sold them the nostalgia they wanted from the PT, but never got.
This fandom never wanted good films, but to relive the happiest points in their lives... So this fandom got what they deserved if you ask me...
As Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, " 'Deserves' got nothing to do with it." It would've been nice if the films had been well-made, but not because of anything to do with any fandom. Good films are simply preferable to lousy ones. After all the bad-mouthing, some of it very personal in nature, that Lucas got from fans after the prequels, I can't say I feel sorry for them.
This movie now has 90% on rotten tomatoes yet 49% audience score.
Now, 48%.
and still falling!
It's actually 24%, 'half stars' are not counted in the '49%' calculation.
ruclips.net/video/CWPAbKEmd5M/видео.html
this. half stars and 1 stars i think too. So yeah the maximum amount is 24%.
Syrius Wormwood No, 1 star are counted.
ruclips.net/video/CWPAbKEmd5M/видео.html
I saw multiple people get up and leave mid-movie, not to refill popcorn either, they didn't come back.
Think what you want, but they did, about 3 or 4 of them.
The biggest problems with The Last Jedi are:
1. Disrepecting Luke's char (rejecting Hope & The Force, pussying out to show up personally, still dying anyway)
2. Pointless B Stories - Rose & Finn's pointless story sucked as well as serving no purpose.
3. No payoffs - All the hype and questions surrounding Ep 7 are ruined and made pointless (Snoke's identity, Rey's parents, Luke's Return)
ryan seitz ...EXACTLY.
to me the worst point of all this saga is the destruction of the lore just because they want a powerful female lead, she is a complete mary sue, but i mean fan fic level mary sue ignoring that even the choosen one needed to train, it is offensive for me how bad written this is
and where the fist order got so much ships and resources ?
ryan seitz Force Stroke Luke
Trumping all of these is the sheer lack of any internal logic or consistency, even within the scope of a single scene. How did the First Order become so powerful? Where are the rest of the Republic forces?Why are people using space bombers against capital ships? How does that even work?
Why is Hux now an incompetent fool? How can BB-8 hijack a scout walker and use it to kill dozens of troopers? Why on earth are Finn and Rose flying speeders in a combat situation, when neither of them know how to fly? (They are, respectively, a sanitation worker and a maintenance engineer.)
How the hell does hyperspace become a lethal weapon without this destroying the logic of all previous space battles? How does Rose's reason for saving Finn make any sense at all thematically? Why does the damage to the Supremacy kill or wound almost everyone in the hangar bay aside from Rose and Finn? Why does Phasma reappear at the other side of the hangar, untouched? Why is there suddenly a turret emplacement in the middle of a hangar?
The script reads like it was written by a teenager. The basic craft of writing is almost entirely missing. The film is a disaster.
Kylo Ren says forget the past then the movie proceeds to rip it off in the next act.
It's ruined for me too. I have no interest in the next film.
There is absolutely no reason to see a sequel to this. They'll either try to back step wiping out the reason for this film or will go forward reinforcing why so many hate it. It dies an ugly death either way,
exactly.
I remember walking out of this movie with my son who is also a big star wars fan and we were speechless and just looking at each other and saying WTF?!!!
As far as I'm concerned, only the Lucas era Star Wars is True Star Wars. Disney's Heresy is an abomination.
Finbar Brolly actually, only the original trilogy and rogue one are really great star wars movie. The prequels were terrible.
Chun-Bonn Tang- To each their own, my friend. I loved the Prequels growing up and still do to this day. They are, flawed certainly, but they possess an enduring charm and originality that I enjoy. Rouge One is, probably the only thing I confess to enjoying from the Disney Era, and that's mainly due to the second half of the movie.
Finbar Brolly so....you like jar jar Binks? Ewoks?....
Alex Zabala- Yes and Yes :)
TheLatiosnlatias02- Agreed. If it wasn't for Vader's badass massacre at the end, it probably wouldn't have as much rewatch value for me.
Disney and Kathleen Kennedy have destroyed Star Wars in 3 movies!!!
I will NEVER ever forget, watching The Empire Strikes Back with my Grand father many years ago when it came out - What are these IDIOTS doing to the most pivotal movie world in cinema history!
William Minnaar trying to destroy it like all American culture
Stick to the EU.. its the Real Star Wars and it's pretty vast. A few movies can't kill Star Wars.
I've never felt so angry about a film before. I'm so done with anything Disney produces. I want to vomit when i see Kathleen Kennedy's butch-like smiling face. I want to throw my phone at the wall when I see or hear anything 'Ruin' Johnson utters. I will forever see Laura Dern as one if the purple haired nightmares that helped destroy StarWars for me. I've never found Finn anything but an unwanted distraction. Token black actor instead of an actually interesting black character.
Great review. Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson will destroy Star Wars
Thank you. I hope not.
They ALREADY DID!
JR F *Did destroy
Yes, they already did...
If you really love the Skywalkers , NOBODY can destroy Star Wars !!!
Rose sexually assaulted Finn but not a peep out of the #metoo movement.
Throw that woman in jail!!!! How dare she!!!
what part are you referring to?
She kissed him without his notarized pre-approval. This is right after she prevented him from saving everybody.
If you ask me that was pretty selfish. “Imma gonna save him and let er’body else die and we probably gonna get captured because we can’t walk back. That’s like 10-15 mins drive... not a distance you can walk with a wounded friend past withering fire.”
TK-777 like hell they'd kill finn and leave rose lol
You are right that they don’t care. Did you notice how the characters say ”damn it” and ”godspeed” now? They don’t even care about the original ”blast it” and ”may the force be with you”. Nobody Said ”i’ve got a bad feeling about this” in the movie. They didn’t even have a real lightsaber fight in the movie. These small things have been star wars traditions. But as i said, they don’t care. This is not star wars, it is just a movie with a star wars skin.
Same about light and dark. It should be Light Side, and Dark Side. Even the actors don't seem to care except Mark Hamill.
There are millions of us who are watching videos like this non-stop as part of our mourning for Star Wars. This video, and the hundreds/thousands others like it, are incredibly cathartic. Great job.
Thank you, Solomanium.
no there aren't.
Very true, it's been a few weeks and I'm still needing to blow off steam about this travesty of a movie almost daily with youtube vids, reviews or discussions.
Remember, there is an active online petition to de-canonize The Last Jedi. It has tens of thousands of signatures already. Spread the word.
I'm doing the same.
Worst movie i have ever seen.
Completely destroyed my love of star wars.
Have no interest in seeing the 3rd one.
Should have been a epic come back with the most loved movie character ever.
Treated the history , lore . and characters so poorly its almost not even the same universe.
ANTI DRIP so glad there’s people who feel like me and all my friends do. Literally the worst movie ever made; “The Room” is better than this.
The Room is like :it's so bad it's beautiful. This movie is straight up garbage.
Everyone needs to go look on RUclips "The Lost Jedi". It is a fan-made Episode 8. It is what I dreamed Star Wars VIII would be.
Amen
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As a huge Star Wars fan, i liked the movie but i didn't like the movie. In my opinion Lukes storyline sucked, it was terribly done. So much hype when Rey showed up to give Luke his Lightsaber only to have him throw it over his shoulder...are effing kidding me...WTF!!! He is a Jedi Master, the storyline could been so much better and it wasn't, we should of gotten to see his raw power and we didn't, we should have seen Luke do so,so much more and we didn't...... In these clips Mark tells it like it is and he is pissed and he should be about the whole thing, his role should of been so much bigger. So he hit the nail right on the head.....
Nestea seventeen watch mauler a critique of star wars he will give you an analytical breakdown of why this movie was so horrible
As a tactician, these commanders and generals were the worst ever. They helped the enemy more than hurt them.
Since when do they "run out of gas" in the star wars universe?
Odin Magnus More importantly how are those guys supposed to be controlling the galaxy when they can't even spare a few ships to intercept the Resistance from the other side
Yeah, I mean I think those are all of the remaining ships. Since their base was destroyed in the last movie.
Odin Magnus
That would make sense except we’ve been explicitly told that they’re a formidable military force controlling the galaxy. Starkilled base was important but not everything to them. The more you dig into TLJ, the more retarded it becomes.
Odin Magnus Pilot in the mission "Bombers prepare to bomb "fighters, protect the bombers."
You would think that those words would be on the briefing...
TimmyNoThumbz
Yeah, that's why I tell people that its an ok movie as a stand alone. But as a trilogy it gets worse. One of my physicist friends reminded me of something, they could cut their engines and glide through a frictionless environment without burning fuel. They are already at max speed, so its pointless to keep trying to push the engines.
Did they really say they were a formidable force in the universe? That's strange =p
This is important. Mark Hamill doesn't hate the movie or agree with me. He disagreed with the direction his character was taken in but acted professionally and did his job. The quotes I use at the beginning of my review were initial thoughts directed toward a single character and not the finished product. I do, however, stand by my comments that he was "warning" fans in these interviews about Luke's character being very different than before. Even though Mr. Hamill ultimately was convinced his character's changes were for the best, he was clearly communicating that audiences should adjust their expectations. As this is only my third review, this neglect for full context is a rookie mistake, which I feel a bit guilty about. I wasn't expecting this video to receive this much attention, and I thank those of you who can overlook my nasally voice and anger to appreciate the criticisms made above.
AEmovieguy Reviews I got the same vibe from Mark Hamill a year ago and was rightfully worried ever since. In positive news I can't believe this is only your 3rd review. I'm truly impressed. Something about a hard core Star Wars rant with liberal use of "jazz hands" had me in stitches. Well played
Personally I'm not convinced that Hamill was convinced. I'm fairly certain that someone brought up contractual obligations or something along those lines. What they did to Luke in this movie was so atrocious that I can't even bring myself to really consider this movie as canon in my mind. It's just really bad fan fiction.
Mark Hamill is such an intelligent guy.
kgbme he was under contract before Disney bought Lucas film
Hes great, so down to earth, i respect him even more, he tried to warn us and in our sheer excitement and and hype, we just so expected a satisfying surprise. Props to Mark Hamil, he was a true professional, he played the character great, solid performances, you could see the emotion in him how he played the role, all while actually never agreeing with anything of how his character was written.
Its all down to how episode 9 closes everything in this sequel trilogy, whether JJ even tries to answer those mystery boxes hes set up. But if episode 9 is no good, history will not look fondly on TLJ.
Uh no, that's not at all how movies work. LMAO. Under contract from 35 years ago? Just no. No.
Nathan Thompson summer 2012 he signed on for a new film then November 2012 Disney bought Lucas film. Not 35 years, you dumb shit.
Luke is the only character left that has interested me in the slightest towards catching this re-re-boot. Still haven't yet, and in no hurry to here.
Disappointing.
i don’t think Mark Hamil knew the ending to the movie . he looked so excited until after the movie his face just looks disgusted
I am sure he didn't. That shot of him after the movie ended looked like the face I had when I came out of the theater.
No doubt the scenes that Mark filmed were of Luke living, and the 'returning to the force' thing was post production. I really hope all of the deleted scenes are saved for posterity.
+superdoonz1 Yep, Luke dies facing away from the camera so they never filmed it with Luke's knowledge likely.
I'm an old fan bought the toys as a kid owned the shirts as a adult, loved the franchise, even though I could find fault with them all if I looked hard enough, but they all had more goood than bad in them to make them worthy, of watching again and again, but I will never watch episode 8 again, it was that bad, I call upon all fellow true fans, boycott solo ,
SW8 is just sad. It's all about failure... it's joy-less. It is *NOT* SW.
It's like Aliens and Alien 3.
They built up a relationship with Hicks and Newt only for them to be killed off at the start of 3.
So much wrong with this film and I agree with most of what you said.
Fuck this film.
Nothing to invest in for. I mean there is literally nothing left for me to see in Episode 9. I have no desire, no interest in it anymore.
I really hope when ep.9 comes out it becomes the lowest earning of the three and screws Disney over.
I've cancelled my pre-order of this film on blu-ray.
cosmicfish1000 I just saw Alien 3 for the first time and that ticked me off
Saw Ep IV 5 times in theater in 77. SW is Luke’s story - A hero’s journey - We’ve waited too long to see him bitter and alone pulling a mind trick from a distance - Every Jedi Master has died or stood up to their foe in person - Yoda passed from old age but even he fought face to face when needed - he should have raised the XWing and fought face to face to a glorious end or martyrdom to allow the rebels escape - we would have cheered. SW should be watched in order released. We all knew it was Luke’s story. Watched in order of episode #’s it’s Darth’s story and Luke is a minor character. Except we’ve all gone on Luke’s ride since 1977. To treat him this way and not acknowledge the journey that created the fan base Disney enjoys is short sighted. Fans will not be making fan fic, radio dramas, videos, or watching this film repeatedly for decades. Yet EpIV will still be viewed when we are long gone.
The journey is over I was less pissed off when I watched the Holiday Special on broadcast tv. At least that gave us Bobba Fett.
the last jedi ruined starwars for me too
I agree! I can't help but think that Disney is intentionally trying to kill off any connection to the older trilogies. These new characters are weak, poorly written and politically driven. I saw this movie and was hoping for more from the Luke Skywalker character. I mean come on Disney! It's been 40 years!! Soooo disappointed in what has happened to the Star Wars brand.
Some one made a comment that this is an intentional, two step process
Think about it. (food for thought)
1)Kill off the OG character and make them look bad for the new generation.
Replace them with the new characters, and kids will buy em.
New characters then make more than the old, so the old products/character merch is stopped. ( no royalites to the old actors)
With no old characters, Dee$ney can truly do what ever they want the star wars name and rake in the cash in.
2) Have Rian Johnson be the fall guy.
He makes a movie that does away with the old cast.
And when his trilogy (that was never going to happen) gets "cancelled"
it makes Da MAUS look good and makes them appear they are siding with the fans.
That was someone else's idea not mine.
I agree, I wanted to see Luke going on adventures guiding the new characters and doing epic Jedi stuff seeing how powerful he's become in the Force. I thought it would have been cool if the Luke was aboard the Resistance cruiser and one of the characters say something like "Commander Skywalker's X-wing has landed" and everyone salutes him he walks across the bridge and sees Leia and they hug and later have a heartfelt talk or reminisce about their memories of Han. Also, why was there no memorial service for Han? Captain Solo, war hero. 😭
JJ Abrams made *Lost*. He's the absolute last person on Earth who cares if the "mysteries" he sets up ever pay off, or have even the slightest hint of internally consistent world building, let alone have a clue how to craft likable and relatable characters.
Yes, exactly! Abrams is a huckster who basically takes out narrative design loans that he never pays off. The idea that he should be the one to clean up someone else's mess (rather than being the one who creates the mess) is a vain hope at best.
I won't see episode 9 I could care less now after episode 8. Why did they mess with the cannon of the story :( Stupid Abrams F's up Star Trek and Star Wars.
Drackkor idk since jj has the reins back might watch it force awakens at least pays some respect to the original films. But yeah this film was pretty bad
Drackkor jj didnt direct this one he was fired and then they hired rein Johnson who they then fired in September before the release of the film because Disney knew it was bad
What would 9 Bring to the table? I’m not all that interested in seeing how Leah died which you know is coming. I couldn’t care less about Kyla Ren and ray .Po is an idiot. There’s nothing to see here. Ray has no teacher. Han is dead . They have no story to tell. At least not one I’m interested in.
The truth hurts and so did watching this movie. Jar Jar wasn't this bad.
Farns Worth yeah. At least jar jar still felt familiar to star wars, as annoying as he was.
You captured it perfectly. My friend is saying "at least it was new". New is not always better. Also to be honest I felt throughout the film "does this director have any original ideas?". Certain turning points are not seen in star wars before but the story is just an incohesive cut of previous star wars movies with some nonsense scenes between them. Start with the non hyperspeed chase from EP5, new rey training with a goofy jedi master who doesnt want to train her yet still does, trainee leaving master before ready, then cut to EP6 elevator scene with LITERAL LINES TAKEN and the whole sequence taken from EP6. Only the finish differs a bit. Also lets find an old gambler friend who can help us but will betray us in the most key moment. Then we get the start of EP5 with the walkers, then Ep4 with Luke's obi wan moment. Then in a totally new and surprising fashion a spit in the face. Good job. Just used old elements to lead to nonsensical scenes just for the sake of surprise. And then the galaxy can get a sliver of hope. Even though they just deastroyed a megasuper death star a week ago and lost one of the heroes of the rebellion. But NOW that Luke...does the galaxy even know what happened to him? I dont think so. Yet it brings hope to the galaxy. Brings hope to all SEVEN HEARTS WHO SURVIVED FROM AT LEAST 6000 PEOPLE WHO ARE CHEERING AFTER LOOSING ALL THEIR FORCES. And the whole movie done in that stupid tone. I feel like they made it for 6 year olds.
This film was also a rehash, just differently. It took most elements from ESB and ROTJ.
The movie is an empty vessel, has no substance and is unimaginative. It did not expand the UNIVERSE, but shrunk it so far as to become insignificant. Go see it if you have never seen a SW Movie, otherwise stay well away...in another galaxy far, far, away....
Every single word & emotional outburst of this review is 100% spot on! Sadly to say, unfortunately. When the majority of fan films out there can do so much better, with no budget at all, then the shit is truly hitting the fan! I wish we were in some horrible nightmare we could wake up from eventually, that we could escape from this Twilight Zone if we only find the way out or that this is just a projection from Pennywise that sends us our greatest fears of what SW one day could turn out to be. But this is no joke or bad dream or alien influence that messes with our brains to make us believe in a lie. This is reality. No wonder we wanna escape reality into fantasy when reality is this shitty. Except that Sw always used to be one of the best escapes from reality there ever was. Apparently, Disney/Lucasfilm doesn't want us to escape & feel better about it. There is a lot they don't care about as it has turned out.
You also mentioned the very word I myself summon up TLJ. The word is meaningless. Thanks to TLJ, the history of SW has become meaningless, both in the saga itself but also in reality of us fans. Why has SW actually survived as long as 40 years? Remember, it was gone for a long time after 1983 until 1997! If not for the wonderful & literally lifesaving Expanded Universe we would maybe not even have SW anymore. But besides the EU, what kept SW alive all this time, & especially after the Internet came to our lives & the Prequels didn't deliver? The fact that the SW fanbase loves to talk about SW, speculate, theorize, have wishful thinking & desires of what might happen next back & forth in the time line. Endless debates & discussions. the fans became like the Force itself! SW fandom penetrates us & binds us together & we are everywhere on this planet! TFA was too much of a love letter to a lot of people, myself included. But I far more prefer getting predictable clichés that I know, love & recognize than something that is bold, takes risk & gives us all the middle finger just because we love the very product they are producing! TLJ is telling us that what has kept SW alive as a franchise, the biggest we've ever had so far in movie history, has no meaning anymore because Disney now owns the shit & we are getting NEW SW now that cares not for the past or our feelings. 40 years of movie history & millions of people's love for it is literary told by a single installment in it that all that no longer matters, that we MUST accept this change. Change is one thing, change is good, when it happens slowly & naturally 6 for the right reasons. But a total replacement of everything & neglect of all old that is not the same as change.
A lot of characters die in this movie, big characters as well as mere foot soldiers, on both sides. All those deaths, including Luke's & Snoke's deaths, end up meaning, yep, nothing. Everything that was being built up, in previous films & even in TLJ itself, was meaningless, including Han Solo's death. Was meaningless, guys. That Luke once did the impossible & redeemed his father, that was in the long run meaningless. Finn's story & himself as a character, meaningless. Especially since he never evolved himself & his mission didn't change anything at all, besides that even more got killed. Sure, they gave those slave kids some hope, but why do we care when we never learn who these kids are? Luke left a map behind so the right people could find him when they truly needed him. That was meaningless, even if that was THE big plot point of TFA! Snoke is already dead, a full episode too early, which is the result of amateur writing & complete lack of knowledge of story structure. Fully agree in what you said about Snoke, who is the very reason why EVERYTHING is happening. That was the very reason why we for 2 years wondered & theorized who & what he was, how he got command of the First Order, just how did he corrupt Ben Solo to the Dark Side & most importantly, what the hell does he want! What is Snoke's end game? Domination of the galaxy? Or something else entirely? But, thanks to complete lack of professionalism & common sense, even if we afterwards should by any chance learn anything about Snoke in any novel or game or TV show or even in Ep 9, it no longer matters! Unless they have trolled us & Snoke is in fact not dead & that it was all a trick. But even that is retarded story telling. Personally, I liked the way Snoke got killed, it rhymes with how Palpatine got whacked. But it happened WAY TOO SOON for this to be satisfactory! You said it, what the hell can Ep 9 now be about? Kylo or anyone else can never fill Snoke's shoes as a master villain. And your story is never better than your villain. Which means that Ep 9 now has no story. Snoke, who had the clear potential to become our next Palpatine/Sauron/Voldemort ended up being meaningless. Everything in TLJ is just destruction & death & disappointments. It is meaningless. And all the stuff it adds, new planets, new creatures, new Force abilities, who the fuck cares about all the new stuff that in all honesty is actually cool when it still has no meaning what so ever!?
Luke was so out of character. Seriously, how could they do this to us!? They made him a weak coward. he should have been in isolation to avoid capture while trying to find a way to stop Snoke & the First order, to seek new knowledge in the Force, having reached the insight that the Jedi need to change to what it originally was supposed to be. He should have been a broken man but never without determination. Luke Skywalker, sensing the Dark Side in his own nephew, the son of his twin sister & best friend, is tempted by the Dark Side, even for just a second, & decides to murder him in his sleep!? I keep asking, what freaking Twilight Zone is this!? Luke would turn that lightsaber on himself than his own flesh & blood or any student under his guidance! Not only is TLJ a symbol of what the term WTF means, it is also so much wasted potential. We never got any proper or meaningful Jedi training, Rey never really learned anything she didn't already know or could figure out herself eventually. Nor did Rey never help Luke to find himself again &/or help him find what he came to that island to learn or figure out either. Was this the first Jedi Temple? Why was this only a gave & some steps? As SW locations go that must be the biggest letdown ever. The Knights of Ren, led by Kylo, should have found the island & forced Luke into action. Talk about a magnificent action scene we never got! the perfect entrance of the Knights of Ren at last, giving Luke his reason to get back into the game AND ignote the green for a proper reason instead of a murder attempt on a child! We were also denied the confrontation between Luke & Snoke, between the two Masters. Snoke clearly feared Skywalker, it had been nice to see why! So much potential just wasted while we are at the same time being told to kill the past that is the reason why we pay for this crap. Disney/Lucasfilm is truly biting the hand that feeds them! When they make SW meaningless & the fans that love it along with it.
Many indeed say that we SW fans are never happy or content, we just bitch & complain. Indeed we do. But there's a reason why we do. Because a long time ago, in a galaxy very, very near, we were given three films, today known as the original SW trilogy, & those three films were QUALITY films! Not without flaws but they had quality nevertheless. The reason why we complain now is because we were given quality from the get go & why is it wrong that we still want that? Why is it wrong to ask for the same good that we once used to get? We are more than willing to pay for it, too! So many times over. But we are getting so tired of being screwed over, again & again, by people that wanna prosper on the SW brand but don't give a shit about the saga itself or the millions that follow it.
Imylover I am 100% with you. You give us enough reasons as to why Disney and Lucas art should be put on trial for killing the dream! When you wish upon a star... Seem to no longer mean a good thing! So much potential wasted on this stupid version of the reality that could have been SW TFJ! I saw SW ANH in one of the few Buenos Aires Argentinian theatres it was showing in 1977. I was 16 yrs old and my closest cousin literally forced me to come and see it even though it was subtitled into Spanish and we spoked no English! We did not understand all that was going on but to us Star Wars was an amazing movie! I was truly hoping the Last Jedi would be that again! Why could it not be? They had the fan base, the money, the actors, the technology, the music, the other movies, books, video games and the animated series to reference from, the robots, the market was already screaming to buy whatever they wished to sell us...Disney had everything!...everything but not the "soul" nor "the magic" of the original saga and I fear that there is a darker undertone to this "farce" for it went out of its way to make it all meaningless as you have mentioned. I took my children to see the other SW movies as they came out yet I am not a die hard fan. I really liked the clone wars animated series for the back stories it brought and though I still do not agree with everything George Lucas did to his original first movie I too own a mock lightsaber and too much SW Lego. But TLJ did not go the way I hoped and has made a mockery of everything the fans have enjoyed in the last 40 or so years! If the movie was not made for the fans and the new audience were not in aw as I was in 1977, who has then benefited from this fiasco? I guess we will never know!
you are an idiot
James Haack
And you're rude.
Imylover don’t think I could have said it any better. Right on...
I saw the original release of Star Wars in 1977...after this Last Jedi BS...there's no more reason to watch anymore because ALL of the original characters are gone...
Well honestly the original characters shouldn't be carrying this series, nor should the reason you watch the new series be because of them. However, TLJ was so horrible that they NEED the old characters to carry them, but now they're all gone.
Well except fir chewie and lando
Gua Gua and they killed them in such an insulting way to us too. No real meaningful interactions. No meaningful reminiscing. Everything I ever dreamed between these characters I knew and loved - everything I ever felt - anything that anyone writing these stories after being a fan of Star Wars would have included.. just simply wasn't there. The way they've treated them really is a smack in the face. Let's not even talk about R2, C-3PO, Chewbacca etc. being made into empty images to sell a poorly written joke.
Gua Gua that means Chewbacca and r2-d2 are on the chopping block
There is so much absurdity in this film its an absolute slap in the face to anyone who loved this saga.
Star Wars: Into Darkness
Star wars: Attack of Disney
Great review. I still can't believe they take the greatest hero in the galaxy, and turn him into a coward. STOLEN VALOR!!! This is what happens when you give the reigns of an iconic story to a bunch of profit-driven, non-fan, KIDS....who have NO respect for 40 plus year fans of this story!! What else would you expect from Disney?
I still feel that nothing in this movie was ever out of the ordinary with Luke, he's fallen into the dark side before in the original trilogy, both his masters went into exile after failing. it just seems to follow the same pattern as his father and masters before him.
He was supposed to be better... he's the one that was ALWAYS hopeful... he brought VADER back for __s sake! He was supposed to be wise and powerful... instead he's idiotic and weak... a failure that has no hope. This movie is joy-less.
I completely agree with this review. I enjoyed some moments but it was such a broken film.
Were done with star wars ..after 40 yrs. What a waste 😑
Remember the good time. A bad movie today cannot erase how good those movies were and still are.
This movie says fuck the past and the fanboys screams "the past is all we have!!!"
Thanks Rian for sending this important message to these little boys stuck in their pseudo-Shakespeare universe of self importance.
I honestly left the theater angry as well. So many upset people in the theater.
I was a little shocked that no one clapped after my opening night screening. I've had mixed/negative feelings on popular films before, but usually half of the audience still claps.This is anecdotal, though. I'm sure there are plenty of theater audiences that did clap around the country.
AEmovieguy Reviews my theater had people boeing and getting up and leaving when luke died. People were pissed.
I saw 2 guys probably mid 20s get up and leave. The scene when leia floated back through space someone laughed and said "are you fucking kidding me mate fuck off"
I made a vow to never pay for another star wars movie since the force awakens. But my friend had free tickets to TLJ, so he dragged me into it. I drank a six pack of beer to numb my brain for the shit fest I KNEW was about to unfold. Luckily, I had to take a giant piss during the alien milking scene. I think I would have left at that point. Suffice to say. NEVER AGAIN. We should create a website for solidarity and boycott episode 9.
Thank you for this moving tribute to Star Wars. I think The Last Jedi is a casualty of big-budget movie making in general these days... and especially Disney. We are at a race to the absolute bottom... What will sell popcorn and toys?
EXCELLENT REVIEW!
Thank you, John.
I believe that Disney is killing Star Wars. There are books that take place after rotj that are way better than this.
Even the games tell a better story of what happens after the last real star wars movie
Let Disney die, kill it if have too!
You will not destroy us as die-hard Star Wars fans or the original trilogy! Hello Disney corporation, you do not deserve to own the copyrights or any part of Star Wars heritage!
Agreed... you leave out one thing with the Luke Kylo story. Luke's test to become a Jedi was to turn Vader back to the light which means he well understands the concept of redemption. Then why does he act out as though he has never learned this lesson by trying to kill Kylo? Makes no sense. I just saw several have already made this point below, but I hope Disney just stops here.
This movie, even when ignoring the other films or Star Wars in general, is simply a mess.
Bad writing, stupid humor and completely ignoring TFA.
I liked the TFA (although only after viewing it a second time) and Rogue 1. There was tension, there was humor (but not in a ridiculous way), but most importantly, after watching these movies I wanted more.
There is none of that in TLJ, each time I thought "Hey, this might get interesting" it amounted to nothing.
Each and every time the most illogical outcome is chosen for any plotpoint. This also applies to all the plot points carried over from TFA.
Characters are underdeveloped, dramatic or tense moments lose their impact because of the stupid (slapstick) jokes and the end result is that I did not care about anything that happened.
And you described exactly how I felt after watching this mess, I don't care about what comes next. What is left for J.J. Abrams to work with? This movie sort of already concluded the trilogy (dilogy?).
The prequels are looking better and better each day😆
they really don't though.
I’m so heartbroken because of this movie.
And TFA didn't do that already?
Will Nitschke TFA wasn't the best. But it didn't rip the fans hearts out and stomp on them while rendering the first six films pointless.
So making all the achievements of the heroes of the trilogy failures (The First Order is stronger than the Rebellion), turning Han Solo into a pathetic looser trying to recapture his lost youth, and Luke Skywalker into some sort of coward who just ran away from it all, didn't?
Will Nitschke I had hopes Luke was actually doing something important, and that Rian would flesh out what was going on in the republic. Don't get me wrong, I didn't care for TFA, but I did cling to hope for the franchise. TLJ to me was Disney saying 'oh, you care about this? Fuck you"
That was an extreme long shot, given what they'd done to Han Solo and how powerful they'd made The First Order. To me TFA was a big brainless "fuck you". Rogue One didn't actually shit on the franchise, it was just a bad movie.
You are not alone... this is a bad movie -_-
Thank you, secretace.
Never underestimate the power of the dark side. The last jedi demonstrated this.
The first Star Wars movie I only watched once in theaters.
Only once.
I watched Rogue One 3 or 4 times.
TFA almost 7 times (can't remember) because of all the questions it left with no answers, and I was watching micro-expressions for answers... which in the end was a huge waste of time and money...
Because, Eight.
Sraye Same here. I had no desire to go back. Saw every other at LEAST twice. It's such a buzzkill. I feel so drained thinking about sitting through it again. No thanks.
And the next film will be the first star wars movie that i watch zero times (just because this film was so bad)
"Destroy my childhood hero". And that was the point. These movies are statement pieces, nothing more. They are meant to deconstruct cultural icons, trash them, and replace them with concepts of "diversity", and "feminism". They destroy Luke because he symbolizes classic heroism, and knighthood, embodied in a simple man. Cultural Marxists abhore tradition, traditional mythology, and traditional ideals. Destroy the world, and rebuild it into what you want it to be. They clearly state for you exactly what they want to do with this franchise; let the past die... kill it if you have to.
That line literally pisses me off. It is LITERALLY Disney saying "Get over it, we through away your 30 year grown expanded universe and this is OUR franchise now so we're going to tell OUR story weather you like it or not, so get over it." Like K thanks, Rogue One was good for sure, but everything else you've given us can get trashed. Disney will NEVER beat the Expanded Universe.
Jkd Buck76 I just made that point yesterday to someone too! Luke trained hard and STILL failed. It changed him profoundly, made him much stronger and wiser, less impulsive. Today's society is steeped in impulsiveness. Its the main way they get people to ruin their futures, when you promote the "culture of now" that permeates every facet of our country. Social Marxism at its finest.
Indeed.
It was a terrible story, should of been given to a great writer, with a grand knowledge of Star Wars history and mythology, I mean would we want mr Johnson to write the last game of thrones novel? Hux would of fitted into a carry on film playing Kenneth Williams , he did not come across as a grand moff tarkin type. Or count duku strong character, this film seems to of deliberately set out to make fun of Star Wars and it's money paying fans,
Rian Johnson wanted to make something different for the sake of doing something different without stopping to think if it made sense or not. Everybody expected solid shit, so he shat liquid instead. Doesn't make it any better, but hey! "It's new and different, it's bold!". I don't get the argument that just because it is new it's automatically a good thing.
It's different in that it sucks ass. There are ways to be different without sucking ass.
True say.
Yes, so true. There are ways to be different in that it does not suck ass.
Not that true. This movie continued rehashing. It has ESB and ROTJ elements rehashed. Just reversed/mirrored. But the movie was worse than TFA.
There's nothing more to say. SW is dead. TLJ will be remembered as one of the greatest mistakes ever made on human culture. I'm not gonna watch any other SW movie anymore. Lets SOLO dies alone on arrive!
SuperNavatar yes-man conformist sheep! 🐑🐏🐮
Between TFA and TLJ Disney virtually loaded everyone up on a rollercoaster, it got to the top, everyone waited for the big moment of excitement, and the ride slowly rolls back five minutes later and everyone is asked if they enjoyed it as they get off.
SuperNavatar butthurt fanboys are 52% of the audience against 48% of lowwits yes-people. Without us (butthurts) SW goes nowhere! Its market is done. 😉 Perhaps you mean contrarians to good taste, don't you? Ok. Good luck with it. It takes balls to be honest and have criticism before that evil Disney machine paying the media to sell this crap as good! Enjoy your movie 😈
Task Casburn many people disliked TFA but personally I gave it a chance. Not perfect but neither bad for starting a new trilogy. Plot ambiguity was to be solved on the following installments after passing the torch... but didn't happen. As I see it, Rian Johnson not only ruined the original canon but also the new one. A real mess! 😡
That Japanese mech genre/RPG anime fan Jusino 👍👍👍
This movie makes the Prequels look like masterpieces.