Update: first service will be the 8:20am service from Newcastle on Tuesday, with the 5:20 train still being a V set. To get to the D set at 8:20 you still need to catch the 5:20 V set. The rest of the runs on the day will be by the D set, and on Wednesday all runs including the 5:20 V set run will be replaced by the D set.
Yes, tripview app shows the 8.21am Newcastle Interchange to Central as being a "Mariyung" set on Tuesday through to Friday. OSCAR sets on weekends as usual. By the way, I can see it now: tourist asks train staff at Central: "I need to catch the Mariyung train". Staff member: "Oh, Marayong train, yes of course, Platform 18, Richmond train, first stop after Blacktown". Bad choice of a name for the D sets.
Also, that same set will pick up the students from the Gosford high schools at 3.30pm ex Gosford. I wonder what their reaction will be when they find they can't reverse the seats like they normally do.
The non-reversible seats in the D sets look almost identical to those in London’s outer suburban Class 458/4 trains. A remarkable coincidence! And note that the 458/4 sets are for outer Suburban runs, not intercity runs. Incidentally, if Transport4NSW thought that these new trains are so wonderful, they would have put a 4 car set on display for inspection at the recent Expo at Central over the October Long Weekend. They didn't. I Wonder why. After all, they had a mock-up of a new Metro train set for public inspection at the Royal Easter Show a couple of years back, and the exercise worked well.
Well after a lengthy delay finally you will be getting new interurban trains starting this Tuesday this will replace the aging Vset fleet that has been in service since 1970. The New Fleet will will be know D sets. The trains that will replace the XPT The new Regional Rail fleet will operate with an Australian first - bi-mode technology - providing a more environmentally-friendly rail service. Bi-mode technology enables the train to run using either diesel engines or electric power from the overhead wire when operating on the electrified train network Bi-mode technology will significantly reduce carbon emissions and diesel particulates, compared to the current regional fleet. For example once the train reaches the Broadmedow station it it would switch from a electric motor unit to Diesel they are more faster and quieter. Now this be something i be looking forward to.
The first D set cars arrived from South Korea in 2019. That's 5 years ago. So they came with the technology to help those who do work on the train with a laptop, and also mobile phone charging points. Technology has moved on with both of those now largely redundant now that iPhones keep their charge fr much longer now, and ditto laptops. Also, not much use having mobile phone charging points if people leave their charging cable at home, as many often do.
There is a good chance that despite the first D sets rolling into revenue service this December doesn’t necessarily mean the V sets will be on the chopping block as of December 3rd, but probably will be once more D sets enter service in the coming months and timetable changes or updates go into effect, that’s probably when they will start actually begin scrapping the V’s. I guess we’ll wait and see how this plays out, and yes it will be a shame when the V sets to finally go, but hopefully some will be preserved.
@@v666fromhell6 exactly my point, it’s a little bit exaggerated as to how negatively everyone is taking this service as! We should all enjoy this interim period where the intercity network is run by Oscar’s, D sets AND V sets! It’ll be a fun time.
Knew I wasn't seeing things when I caught a quick glimps of certain carriages showing the new trains have space for people with bicycles. I can't tell you how many times I've seen peoples bikes take up and block the entrance and exit of train carriages ... also the stairs making it hard for other passengers to manouver around them.
@@TransitSydney rumor has it that there are already a few k and v sets that have been fully withdrawn so unfortunately theyll all be gone sooner rather than later. k sets in 2026 is unlikely but possible.
@@xpt well the K sets will go after Oscars come to suburban, which will take a while because V sets will be withdrawn first on the CCN. Then the BMT is fully V sets, which means no Oscars will be moved to suburban during that period. It's once the SCO becomes operated by D sets, that we'll actually see all K sets withdrawn. A more likely scenario (at least in this interim period) is more Oscars on the T1/T9 to replace some Waratah runs (3-4 trains), with those Waratahs replacing the K sets - which means they can be withdrawn sooner. In the long term we'll probably see Oscars on the City Circle as well once ALL D sets enter service (which till take over a year for sure!)
@@TransitSydney its been confirmed that oscars will replace tangaras and possibly b sets on sector 3 sending the tangaras to mortdale and the b sets to sector 2 to cover the former k set runs. k sets have so few runs left now the t3 is gone so they could very easily all be pulled from service and replcaced with other trains leaving more than enough spare. m sets are likely going to be retired before the tangaras and within 5-10 years would be my estimate. they like to misbehave when run in 8 car sets and are quite unreliable due to having ancient computers and a few other factors.
@@xpt all correct mate! Yes depending on the TTU the M sets will definitely go before the Tangaras do, particularly because the next new train to be ordered will be a Tangara replacement train that is T4-centric. This will take a long while however and in the meantime its likely that 8 car M sets cease operation on the City Circle, leaving them to run 4 car services on the T5, 6, & 7.
It would have been easier and cheaper to refurbish the V sets and make them compliant. The D sets are terrible and are another Constance stuff up like bus privatisation, ferry problems and XPT replacements.
@ no it would absolutely not have, that is an outrageous claim. The V sets are far too old to be refurbished. They lack any possibilities for PIDs, accessibility upgrades etc etc. it is impossible to fix every single gangway, add destos and accessible toilets, wider doors etc on a train that is literally designed to not have any of this technology. If it was that easy, the TTU would have been completed by now as well.
@ not entirely true - the bigger reason is that not ALL Oscars are needed to replace K set runs, and their priority is to scrap the V and K sets asap. So using CCN Oscars it’s already possible to scrap the K sets, and V sets will go anyways. The SCO is for this reason last on the agenda, as their Oscars won’t replace anything to scrap, it’ll rather boost services.
@@craigtroth4524 The failure to duplicate the 2km of single track in and either side of the 1888 Clifton Tunnel proves the point. And of course build a bypass tunnel for the trains that don't need to stop between Thirroul and Helensburgh.
I traveled on V sets for thirty years from 1984 to 2014 and one thing i i noticed how quiet they were its due to the bogies they have now will the this also apply to the new D sets?
@@top40researcher31 ofc everyone knows that already :) - the Vs carry an intercity atmosphere with their carpeted floors, comfortable reversible seats, longer carriages etc. that the D sets will never be able to replicate. Think of the Ds as an upgraded version of the Waratahs with intercity features on them - they will never be as good as the Vs. We should enjoy this interim period where Vs, Ds and Hs all run at the same time.
@@TransitSydney but the thing is these trains are classed as interurbans meaning trains go from city to city but just like the OSCARS it be like traveling on a suburban class train.
@@jdouble-l19978 because the M sets have far more glitches and operational issues than the Tangaras, and it’s easier to upgrade a train with no features than it is to upgrade a train with glitched features. With the TTU they really just need to add a good software that works, but for the M sets, they’d have to remove the old and install a new.
It will be tough to say farewell to the v sets, so unique and beautiful trains with carpets and purple vinyl seats, of course it’s necessary to replace things at a certain point and I’m looking forward to the nifs
I wonder if the new carriages will have as comfortable seats as the H sets. I'm guessing they won't be. Since the suburban K sets, the newer fleet have forsaken comfort for what i guess is less weight and easier cleaning options. As a person over 6 foot, leg room as long been a problem for me. The only public transport with suitable seating and comfort are the Ferries. I realize that the new trains will have vestibule seating, but some of us won't want to travel long distance facing towards the middle of the carriage and be constantly be stunted from side to side. on the plus side though, there will be plenty of room for prams, wheelchairs and bicycles.
unfortunately the train designers cannot accomodate for all people at once - priority is given to those with accessibility issues - hence the trains are fully accessible and why there is so much room in the vestibule areas (with longitudinal seating). Fixed seating was a compromise made to gain tray tables and charging ports which otherwise are not possible on a train with reversible seating. The trains will also run in 10 car variants which means it's impossible for there not to be forward-facing seats available (except perhaps peak times). The seats should be comfortable but this will be seen next tuesday
on the upside there's tray tables and charging ports for every single seat. a good trade off on a 10 car train that will always have at least one spare forward facing seat
If people from the 18th century saw these trains, they would think they are from well into the future. Sydney's older trains (like the V sets) look like they are straight out of the 1950s to 1980s (which they are) while the newer trains look like they are from the 2000s to the 2020s which they are, some even date back to the 80s and 90s.
@@TransitSydney I did watch the video, sport. My point, which I think you may have missed, still stands. Unless the tracks are engineered to high speed spec (i.e. 250km/h), these trains are still gonna chug along averaging 65/70km/h. They just might have orange doors and a bike rack. You can put an ICE3 onto NSW's crappy tracks but it'll only be as fast as the best speed limit. It don't matter if the the train is an SNCF TGV or an H-set or a Mariyung. It'll still take 2½ hours to get from Central to Kiama (160km)
@@theplettz4569 well they wont "chug". In suburban sections they might trail but in the intercity where they are less restricted they will definitely go higher.
@@TransitSydney As someone who used to live in Germany and catch ICEs to work most days, lemme ask you... Forget the speed, but can you buy a cold beer from the Mariyung's Bord Bistro?
I personally don't think these D Sets will ever be as comfortable or a roomy as a V Set. They'll probably will be like the H Sets cramped, noisy and uncomfortable by comparison to the V Sets and prone to overcrowding. And this is coming from someone who has accumulated some decent mileage on the V Sets and before they were withdrawn the U Sets or U-Boats.
@@DKS225 agreed it’s moreso about the atmosphere of the train rather than the features of the train itself. The V sets carry a lovely intercity vibe which newer trains don’t particularly capture as well
@@MOHM48yep, it was terrible, after work I got on a train at sutherland which was 90 or so minutes late. Even in the other days where things haven't happened I have found some services to be up to 5-10 minutes late
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Update: first service will be the 8:20am service from Newcastle on Tuesday, with the 5:20 train still being a V set. To get to the D set at 8:20 you still need to catch the 5:20 V set. The rest of the runs on the day will be by the D set, and on Wednesday all runs including the 5:20 V set run will be replaced by the D set.
Yes, tripview app shows the 8.21am Newcastle Interchange to Central as being a "Mariyung" set on Tuesday through to Friday.
OSCAR sets on weekends as usual.
By the way, I can see it now: tourist asks train staff at Central: "I need to catch the Mariyung train". Staff member: "Oh, Marayong train, yes of course, Platform 18, Richmond train, first stop after Blacktown".
Bad choice of a name for the D sets.
@@ktipuss its fine that is just a dumb situation. Its like confusing Wynyard and Vineyard.
Also, that same set will pick up the students from the Gosford high schools at 3.30pm ex Gosford. I wonder what their reaction will be when they find they can't reverse the seats like they normally do.
@@ktipuss interesting!
that train is going to be flooded with train nerds on Tuesday
Finally!! Funny that it marks pretty much the 5 year anniversary of when the first D set was delivered, in December 2019.
The seating sucks, very obvious the people who order this rubbish from overseas do not use these services
Watch them get delayed again
I really hope that happens because I like the V sets.
Talk about a pair of ungrateful thankless morons.
You guys are massive dicks
@@JuliansTrainsandGamesI adored the V sets.
The non-reversible seats in the D sets look almost identical to those in London’s outer suburban Class 458/4 trains. A remarkable coincidence! And note that the 458/4 sets are for outer Suburban runs, not intercity runs.
Incidentally, if Transport4NSW thought that these new trains are so wonderful, they would have put a 4 car set on display for inspection at the recent Expo at Central over the October Long Weekend. They didn't. I Wonder why. After all, they had a mock-up of a new Metro train set for public inspection at the Royal Easter Show a couple of years back, and the exercise worked well.
Well after a lengthy delay finally you will be getting new interurban trains starting this Tuesday this will replace the aging Vset fleet that has been in service since 1970. The New Fleet will will be know D sets. The trains that will replace the XPT The new Regional Rail fleet will operate with an Australian first - bi-mode technology - providing a more environmentally-friendly rail service.
Bi-mode technology enables the train to run using either diesel engines or electric power from the overhead wire when operating on the electrified train network
Bi-mode technology will significantly reduce carbon emissions and diesel particulates, compared to the current regional fleet. For example once the train reaches the Broadmedow station it it would switch from a electric motor unit to Diesel they are more faster and quieter. Now this be something i be looking forward to.
The first D set cars arrived from South Korea in 2019. That's 5 years ago. So they came with the technology to help those who do work on the train with a laptop, and also mobile phone charging points.
Technology has moved on with both of those now largely redundant now that iPhones keep their charge fr much longer now, and ditto laptops. Also, not much use having mobile phone charging points if people leave their charging cable at home, as many often do.
As a V set fan this is my nightmare come true
I'm a V set fan aswell and I'm awfully sad to know this
@@Thatonestrangefella good things always come to an end. It’s a new era.
go back to the 70s boomer
When entering service running frequently, eg like Oscars and v sets?
@7.40 Why was D-46 crazy?
There is a good chance that despite the first D sets rolling into revenue service this December doesn’t necessarily mean the V sets will be on the chopping block as of December 3rd, but probably will be once more D sets enter service in the coming months and timetable changes or updates go into effect, that’s probably when they will start actually begin scrapping the V’s. I guess we’ll wait and see how this plays out, and yes it will be a shame when the V sets to finally go, but hopefully some will be preserved.
@@v666fromhell6 exactly my point, it’s a little bit exaggerated as to how negatively everyone is taking this service as! We should all enjoy this interim period where the intercity network is run by Oscar’s, D sets AND V sets! It’ll be a fun time.
@@TransitSydney look how long it took to get rid of the non air con trains. the V sets will be around for ages yet
8:25 - platform side is good but let us see how early it is displayed. on the metro it comes on way too late as the train pulls into the platform
Knew I wasn't seeing things when I caught a quick glimps of certain carriages showing the new trains have space for people with bicycles. I can't tell you how many times I've seen peoples bikes take up and block the entrance and exit of train carriages ... also the stairs making it hard for other passengers to manouver around them.
agreed, they will be a welcome addition with these new trains.
Will the nifs on tues to fri run regularly like the oscars and v sets on ccn rn or will they run limited services
I was at Hawkesbury River this afternoon
@@bengray976 lovely! How was it mate
@TransitSydney it was raining
It'll be such a shame to lose the good old K sets
@@issabarry5590 it’ll still be at least a year until all K sets go imo, unless the D set rollout is incredibly quick (it won’t be!)
@@TransitSydney rumor has it that there are already a few k and v sets that have been fully withdrawn so unfortunately theyll all be gone sooner rather than later. k sets in 2026 is unlikely but possible.
@@xpt well the K sets will go after Oscars come to suburban, which will take a while because V sets will be withdrawn first on the CCN. Then the BMT is fully V sets, which means no Oscars will be moved to suburban during that period. It's once the SCO becomes operated by D sets, that we'll actually see all K sets withdrawn. A more likely scenario (at least in this interim period) is more Oscars on the T1/T9 to replace some Waratah runs (3-4 trains), with those Waratahs replacing the K sets - which means they can be withdrawn sooner.
In the long term we'll probably see Oscars on the City Circle as well once ALL D sets enter service (which till take over a year for sure!)
@@TransitSydney its been confirmed that oscars will replace tangaras and possibly b sets on sector 3 sending the tangaras to mortdale and the b sets to sector 2 to cover the former k set runs.
k sets have so few runs left now the t3 is gone so they could very easily all be pulled from service and replcaced with other trains leaving more than enough spare.
m sets are likely going to be retired before the tangaras and within 5-10 years would be my estimate. they like to misbehave when run in 8 car sets and are quite unreliable due to having ancient computers and a few other factors.
@@xpt all correct mate! Yes depending on the TTU the M sets will definitely go before the Tangaras do, particularly because the next new train to be ordered will be a Tangara replacement train that is T4-centric. This will take a long while however and in the meantime its likely that 8 car M sets cease operation on the City Circle, leaving them to run 4 car services on the T5, 6, & 7.
In the fifth hour of Tuesday morning From sydney all newcastle When?
The first d set will Startservice
00:25 Tuesday 3rd December.
@@Holdenhsv1800. Tuesday 5:20 from P9
I Checked triplists and the last nif to run passenger service is on fri 6 dec 5 sth pm
Don't get me wrong, I love the V's but I can't wait to ride on these
Me too! We have to appreciate the interim period where the intercity network has Oscars, V sets AND D sets. It’ll be incredible.
It would have been easier and cheaper to refurbish the V sets and make them compliant. The D sets are terrible and are another Constance stuff up like bus privatisation, ferry problems and XPT replacements.
@ no it would absolutely not have, that is an outrageous claim. The V sets are far too old to be refurbished. They lack any possibilities for PIDs, accessibility upgrades etc etc. it is impossible to fix every single gangway, add destos and accessible toilets, wider doors etc on a train that is literally designed to not have any of this technology. If it was that easy, the TTU would have been completed by now as well.
@@TransitSydney imagine they did something like the byron bay train and made it run shuttles on lines like the unanderra moss vale line
when will it start on south cost line
Probably 6 months in my opinion
The Rail Regulator hasn't approved of the D sets running to The South Coast or Blue Mountains yet.
The South Coast Line will be the last line to be serviced by these trains as our line isn't as highly regarded as the Newcastle/Central Coast line is
@ not entirely true - the bigger reason is that not ALL Oscars are needed to replace K set runs, and their priority is to scrap the V and K sets asap. So using CCN Oscars it’s already possible to scrap the K sets, and V sets will go anyways. The SCO is for this reason last on the agenda, as their Oscars won’t replace anything to scrap, it’ll rather boost services.
@@craigtroth4524 The failure to duplicate the 2km of single track in and either side of the 1888 Clifton Tunnel proves the point. And of course build a bypass tunnel for the trains that don't need to stop between Thirroul and Helensburgh.
I traveled on V sets for thirty years from 1984 to 2014 and one thing i i noticed how quiet they were its due to the bogies they have now will the this also apply to the new D sets?
I'm not sure, they'll likely be similar to the Waratahs
@@TransitSydney if that is the case you won't get the same comfort as the V sets and how quiet they were
@@top40researcher31 ofc everyone knows that already :) - the Vs carry an intercity atmosphere with their carpeted floors, comfortable reversible seats, longer carriages etc. that the D sets will never be able to replicate. Think of the Ds as an upgraded version of the Waratahs with intercity features on them - they will never be as good as the Vs.
We should enjoy this interim period where Vs, Ds and Hs all run at the same time.
@@TransitSydney but the thing is these trains are classed as interurbans meaning trains go from city to city but just like the OSCARS it be like traveling on a suburban class train.
Wait, will the nifs run on 7 and 8 dec, sat and sun of 2024?
So will the nifs run in the 7 and 8 if Dec, sat and sun of 2024? I
Newcastle/Central Coast trains on weekends are almost exclusively H (OSCAR) sets. So probably not.
@@ktipuss but will the run on weekends/weekends next week?
Well they promised that they will open service this year and it will happen
Won't be long before they're trashed
V sets and K sets will be sadly missed by trainspotters around Sydney next will be the Tangaras
@@sector5514 M sets will probably go before the Tangaras at this rate, considering TTU has been refunded
@TransitSydney how are you so sure about that?
@@jdouble-l19978 because the M sets have far more glitches and operational issues than the Tangaras, and it’s easier to upgrade a train with no features than it is to upgrade a train with glitched features. With the TTU they really just need to add a good software that works, but for the M sets, they’d have to remove the old and install a new.
@TransitSydney So, do you think they will increase the fleet of new local manufactured Tangara replacements to replace the M Sets as well or what?
@ I would guess so, there’s also enough Oscars to help do that (as there’s far more Oscars than K sets)
It will be tough to say farewell to the v sets, so unique and beautiful trains with carpets and purple vinyl seats, of course it’s necessary to replace things at a certain point and I’m looking forward to the nifs
I wonder if the new carriages will have as comfortable seats as the H sets. I'm guessing they won't be. Since the suburban K sets, the newer fleet have forsaken comfort for what i guess is less weight and easier cleaning options. As a person over 6 foot, leg room as long been a problem for me. The only public transport with suitable seating and comfort are the Ferries. I realize that the new trains will have vestibule seating, but some of us won't want to travel long distance facing towards the middle of the carriage and be constantly be stunted from side to side. on the plus side though, there will be plenty of room for prams, wheelchairs and bicycles.
unfortunately the train designers cannot accomodate for all people at once - priority is given to those with accessibility issues - hence the trains are fully accessible and why there is so much room in the vestibule areas (with longitudinal seating). Fixed seating was a compromise made to gain tray tables and charging ports which otherwise are not possible on a train with reversible seating. The trains will also run in 10 car variants which means it's impossible for there not to be forward-facing seats available (except perhaps peak times). The seats should be comfortable but this will be seen next tuesday
Good, finally, those uncomfortable Oscar train sets will be filtered down into suburban service.
Seats are not reversible 😭
on the upside there's tray tables and charging ports for every single seat. a good trade off on a 10 car train that will always have at least one spare forward facing seat
So will the nifs run on sat and sun 7 and 8 dec 2024?
@@MOHM48 idk stop asking the same thing 100 times, I told you yesterday that I don’t know. If I knew I would update.
@ sorry…..are u gonna report me?
or tell on me?
V sets are still so nice. the S sets have HARD NON REVERSABLE SEATS. LIKE WTF
The S sets had reversible seating, pretty much identical to the K sets.
I think you mean the c sets
I meant the new D sets
Wut website/s did ppl use to find the dats the first nif will run? I cant find it anywhere and i feel like ChatGPT will speak the untruth
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Compared to most modern suburbans trains in some Asian countries, Sydney trains look like they belong to the 18 century museums.
If people from the 18th century saw these trains, they would think they are from well into the future. Sydney's older trains (like the V sets) look like they are straight out of the 1950s to 1980s (which they are) while the newer trains look like they are from the 2000s to the 2020s which they are, some even date back to the 80s and 90s.
@@TravelExpeditionTV funny you say this, the thumbnail image is filmed at a station called Museum!
@@TransitSydney Read it again. You cant read English properly?
Hopefully it’s delayed again the v sets are my babes
The V sets have the most comfortable seats out of the intercity trains I recon.
@@BruzoDragoniusI agree and the carpeted floors help to contribute to this
Talking too fast!
Oh cool. We now get trains that still average 65km/h but now have orange doors.
@@theplettz4569 false. Please watch the full video of them testing 🙂
@@TransitSydney I did watch the video, sport. My point, which I think you may have missed, still stands. Unless the tracks are engineered to high speed spec (i.e. 250km/h), these trains are still gonna chug along averaging 65/70km/h. They just might have orange doors and a bike rack.
You can put an ICE3 onto NSW's crappy tracks but it'll only be as fast as the best speed limit.
It don't matter if the the train is an SNCF TGV or an H-set or a Mariyung. It'll still take 2½ hours to get from Central to Kiama (160km)
@@theplettz4569 well they wont "chug". In suburban sections they might trail but in the intercity where they are less restricted they will definitely go higher.
@@TransitSydney As someone who used to live in Germany and catch ICEs to work most days, lemme ask you... Forget the speed, but can you buy a cold beer from the Mariyung's Bord Bistro?
@@theplettz4569 I don’t particularly see the relevance between an intercity train and things that already exist on regional trains here.
I personally don't think these D Sets will ever be as comfortable or a roomy as a V Set. They'll probably will be like the H Sets cramped, noisy and uncomfortable by comparison to the V Sets and prone to overcrowding. And this is coming from someone who has accumulated some decent mileage on the V Sets and before they were withdrawn the U Sets or U-Boats.
@@DKS225 agreed it’s moreso about the atmosphere of the train rather than the features of the train itself. The V sets carry a lovely intercity vibe which newer trains don’t particularly capture as well
2:25 classic delay message🤣
9 minutes is easily the best delay I’ve seen on the T4 this week. On Wednesday we had trains being 80+ minutes late
What?!
@@MOHM48yep, it was terrible, after work I got on a train at sutherland which was 90 or so minutes late. Even in the other days where things haven't happened I have found some services to be up to 5-10 minutes late
@@JayJayGamerOfficial oof, hopefully you got to your destination safely and hopefully you aren't too late