I agree with Bryan Liles here about having essential engineering skills to have that title. There are plenty of adjacent positions that done need the word engineer in the title and doing similar work.
Great discussion, currently in Cloud IaaS Architecture and hope to work towards Principal or Distinguished engineer in my career goal ! Thanks for the virtual discussion
Oh my God!! Once I'm through the whole video, can't agree more. He is full of himself. For all the others, the discussion was "Who is a Principal Engineer?" For Bryan it was "Who is Bryan and how he does it?"
I second this. Right off the bat, he emanated “Do as I say! I am BRYAN. I am awesome” vibes. It did not take me long to guess how toxic it would be to work with a person like that.
He's earned the right to, no? When you're that good at something, you can act like Floyd. Being humble isn't always the answer. It's just an expectation from low-level professionals. When you're playing at that level, no one gives a fuck. Just saying.
Honestly I didn’t learn much from this. They all sounded like they were describing tech leads or senior engineers or even staff engineers. It wasn’t clear why these people have the principal title instead of say senior, staff, or even sr. staff.
The absolute worst experience is an "over-experienced" principal engineer and on top of that a non-PoC Principal Engineer who ALWAYS takes the my way or the highway approach. If you haven't moved up, move out. So many engineers are now leaving because of snobbish power drunk Principal Engineers. As if leaving your manager was not enough.
@ 36:50 did she say it's hard when you are not the standard black male? like wtf is the standard black male? I though Bryan grimaced when she said that too. Could be wrong but that was revealing some biases if that is what she said.
Lol "if you don't code, you shouldn't have an engineering title." Hey bro, I need a real engineer over here to help me design the power supplies and aluminum housing for a space instrument, making sure we choose the right materials to avoid off-gassing in vacuum and ensure immunity to radiation. I can't think of where code is needed, but a real engineer would be appreciated.
@@RobsonCassianoSoftware He brought up the fact that there are people that operate at the architectural level. These are the systems guys that know what everyone perceives as simply black boxes and they help coordinate the direction of what people need to work on. To say this isn't engineering unless coding is involved is just a narrow minded stance. I work with software developers extensively. I am on the hardware design side and I can see it's necessary for, ahem, an engineer to figure things out to coordinate the effort.
@@jay_wright_thats_right No. I know exactly what he's talking about. He's a fool. The conceptual responsibilities these people are talking about is easily translated to other disciplines. It'd be like me saying that the lead engineer that is responsible for disseminating the mission requirements and giving consultation for tackling issues on the various portions of the instruments isn't really an engineer because he isn't doing design and testing work. Stupid.
I agree with Bryan Liles here about having essential engineering skills to have that title. There are plenty of adjacent positions that done need the word engineer in the title and doing similar work.
Great discussion, currently in Cloud IaaS Architecture and hope to work towards Principal or Distinguished engineer in my career goal ! Thanks for the virtual discussion
This is gold. Thank you for sharing!
34:30 - 36:00 - Be a scientist. Present evidence. Admit when you're wrong (with no excuses, defenses, or qualifications).
I expected more down to earth, low level talk. This Bryan is full of himself. Just a friendly comment
Oh my God!! Once I'm through the whole video, can't agree more. He is full of himself.
For all the others, the discussion was "Who is a Principal Engineer?" For Bryan it was "Who is Bryan and how he does it?"
I second this. Right off the bat, he emanated “Do as I say! I am BRYAN. I am awesome” vibes. It did not take me long to guess how toxic it would be to work with a person like that.
He's earned the right to, no?
When you're that good at something, you can act like Floyd.
Being humble isn't always the answer. It's just an expectation from low-level professionals.
When you're playing at that level, no one gives a fuck. Just saying.
What’s the difference between staff and principle engineer ?
Thanks for sharing with us their own journey.
This was great , many good points
Honestly I didn’t learn much from this. They all sounded like they were describing tech leads or senior engineers or even staff engineers. It wasn’t clear why these people have the principal title instead of say senior, staff, or even sr. staff.
To keep it simple , from my experience in consulting firms the Principal is between the Tech lead and the Partner
The absolute worst experience is an "over-experienced" principal engineer and on top of that a non-PoC Principal Engineer who ALWAYS takes the my way or the highway approach.
If you haven't moved up, move out. So many engineers are now leaving because of snobbish power drunk Principal Engineers. As if leaving your manager was not enough.
@ 36:50 did she say it's hard when you are not the standard black male? like wtf is the standard black male? I though Bryan grimaced when she said that too. Could be wrong but that was revealing some biases if that is what she said.
She said “it’s hard when you’re not the standard white male” not sure how you heard “black” anywhere.
😅bullshit, wasting my time
Lol "if you don't code, you shouldn't have an engineering title."
Hey bro, I need a real engineer over here to help me design the power supplies and aluminum housing for a space instrument, making sure we choose the right materials to avoid off-gassing in vacuum and ensure immunity to radiation. I can't think of where code is needed, but a real engineer would be appreciated.
That's why there are all different types of engineers...
It's obvious here that the context is software engineering
@@RobsonCassianoSoftware He brought up the fact that there are people that operate at the architectural level. These are the systems guys that know what everyone perceives as simply black boxes and they help coordinate the direction of what people need to work on. To say this isn't engineering unless coding is involved is just a narrow minded stance.
I work with software developers extensively. I am on the hardware design side and I can see it's necessary for, ahem, an engineer to figure things out to coordinate the effort.
@@jay_wright_thats_right No. I know exactly what he's talking about. He's a fool. The conceptual responsibilities these people are talking about is easily translated to other disciplines. It'd be like me saying that the lead engineer that is responsible for disseminating the mission requirements and giving consultation for tackling issues on the various portions of the instruments isn't really an engineer because he isn't doing design and testing work. Stupid.