Very salesy. I'm happy with mine. Many things to weigh up, how much power do you use during the day? and is battery payback even possible within the warranty period?
Voltage variations in the local supply plagued our old 4 kW Inverter and often made it shut down. So glad we have upgraded to microinverters since then!
In July/August 2024 a cookie cutter 6.6kW is less likely to be the best value solution that it was back when they first came to market over 4 years ago. Today’s 450w panels means more roofs are capable of fitting 10kW+ hence the growth in 8 & 10 kW string inverters. Using micro inverters does help with ensuring maximum efficiency but also the “inverter” capacity simply adjusts with each panel fitted which is an under appreciated benefit. I’m near Penrith & personally running 3x 6.6kW systems on 3x 5kW single phase inverters, each on 1 of 3 phases as my distributor allowed our property a maximum of 20kW inverter input balanced across the phases. Even with my big roof the panel ratings in 2019 were typically 315w so that took up all my north & west space (no east roof). We also wanted Tesla Powerwalls installed & they are friendly with single phase inverters which further lead us to our setup. Lastly I knew a single 15kW 3 phase inverter would be no more efficient than 3x 5kW inverters and yet much more expensive to purchase and to replace if faulty out of warranty. Having 3 seperate 6.6kW systems provided triple redundancy and 6 strings to help improve the efficiency of the panels throughout the day. The point I’m making is that 6.6kW string inverter installs have and can still be a great solution in specific situations. Just be aware that panels are now rated to produce nearly 25% more than they did in 2019 when 6.6kW became a thing so don’t settle for 6.6 when your roof can now easily be carrying a 10kW+ array or even significantly more. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
True bullsht just talking sht to upsale there enphase system and charge tripple the price for even non shading houses as well at the end of the day these guys are like the retailers just over charging
This bloke is one of the most respected solar sparkies in the country. I don’t always agree with him either. But he’s a great operator and a smart bloke. I don’t particularly agree with Jake’s Enphase obsession, but an install is more about the installer and the company behind the product. That’s Penrith solar every day of the week.
Just a lot of sales talk, why would you want to have the wire buried in the wall letting the rats and mice bite through them causing a failure? I’ve no problem with a nice piece of conduit at least you can see the run of the electrics and get to them if you need to. Your just trying to justify your over pricing 😂
A good explanation, I have just received a quote for a 6.6 kW from Penrith solar, and you are right. It is nowhere near competitive with others due to in house trades and not sub contractor's.. However, When you only have 14 panels of roof space, how can you upsize to a bigger system to make it more cost competitive. . Is there another option?
Just an FYI, using in house installers, especially apprentices, who earn award wages should be cheaper than outsourcing to skilled contractor teams..... Don't buy into this rubbish they're pushing..... Contractors are legitimate small businesses just the same as this mob, they're aren't a bunch of tree loppers who go door knocking offering the cheapest rates.
Not sure that what Penrith Solar is saying is correct , generally, the DNO in your area, will always have the last word about inverter size. Example my area NEast England, due to infrastructure weaknesses, will not allow individual domestic ,single phase properties to have higher than 3.6 kWt inverters. Why, future requests from other properties in my area for solar arrays, local networks unable to cope when too many systems are exporting in same area on a sunny day and lastly their inability to stop the network voltage rising above 253 volts if everyone is exporting. Penrith saying their average system is above 12 kWs or similar just cannot be true as every installation is different, not average.h2onorth
Thanks for this informative video. A couple of questions and thoughts. 1. I understand you saying 5kw inverter might not be for everyone, particularly when people move to EV... But I'm guessing it will cost more for the home owner to not only get approval for anything above 33% or 6.6kw on a 5kw inverter, is that right? 2. Why is expanding systems such a challenge? Can you not just add more panels and upgrade the inverter? Can you perhaps make a video on the complexities? 3. I have a decent sized roof and installed 6.38kw for a 5kw inverter 6 years ago and have made my ROI... I'm wondering what options i have if my power needs increase in future
Great questions. Expansion sucks. I have a 10 Yr old 4kW with 4kW inverter system. Has been rock solid. But couldn’t expand it. Nobody, literally nobody would give me any options. So adding a system with a 12.8.kWh battery and 6.6kWh Solar with quality 5kW hybrid inverter was the best match for my needs by a long way. The costs for literally anything else was simply not viable for the ROI.
@@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 that's interesting. The question is why???? I mean.... Literally swapping out panels from a 200w to a 500w shouldn't be too big of a deal right? Swapping out a 5kw inverter shouldn't be a big deal right? I'm curious as to what's limiting the expansion besides just roof space?
@@kage7772I get the sense they don’t want to touch systems that are in place because they can’t make margin $$’s on them and if they touch them they may break them and then it’s a nightmare on warranties and who is responsible.
@@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 AC coupled invwerter with battery added to your 4kw system, if you are in the UK and with a 10yr old system that would be a FIT of about 35p with 15 yrs left
@@ecoterrorist1402 thanks bro. I’m in Australia and not knowledgeable with electrical stuff. Can you point me to a great channel or resource I can learn?
is there anyone in Brisbane with this level of care and pride in their work? any suggestions? thank uou. edit: ahh springers and MC electrical question answered when I watched it further.
what utter nonsense, sounds like your market is manipulated to insensitive the 6.6kw system with a 5kw inverter. in 2012 the UK the old G98 self certification system up to an inverter of 3.68kw with 4kw array was mostly installed. and everyone demanded a south facing install. today in 2024 east/west systems seem to offer better value for the customer as the panels are the cheapest part of the installation. battery installation will still only just give the customer RIO within most warranties, thou GivEnergy now offer a jump from 10 to 12 yrs on there battery.
The most hilarious thing is that I have a customer that has a 6.6 kW system on their roof. Today, that system produced 28.5 kWh. This is smack bang in the middle of winter, mind you. So you're either lying about the solar production figures of your customers, or you are admitting that even with your "better" in-house teams and more expensive products, the 6.6 kW systems that Penrith Solar perform noticeably worse than a Jinko & Growatt system.
Dude bungs on about paying a day rate. You should be charged by the hr. Way to many installers don't even know what is on the market with inverters. Go online and see people load test systems and yes much cheaper systems and find they stand up.
wow! We are off grid and about 12 years ago, we bought our system. Panels, 8 x 6V batteries (had to replace them about 2 years ago), generator etc. Cost us $35000 !!!! Used to live at Quakers Hill, but now up in Qld about 23Km for the nearest small town Get ready for the size ....... 2.4 Kw ))) Just thought that it might interest you, that you are talking of, what I see as "massive" systems, while we have our little 2.4 Kw system Alas, being on a pension, we can't afford to upgrade. It took me heaps of time just to save up for the new batteries ))))))) And there's something wrong with what we've got. So, I'm having to kick over the genni every night for about 3 hours (say 6pm to 9pm) to make sure that we use "that" power and don't run the batteries down below 8.8V Then, we turn off fridge n freezer and have a bucket of water in the dunny so that the water pump doesn't kick in if anyone needs to spend a penny during the night Thanks for the interesting video )))) By the way, that Alan Border mob won't touch us with a 10 foot pole because "we are off grid" But I wouldn't go on grid anyway. It would mean that we'd have to run power about 800mthrough 2 creeks and down then up mountains (hmmm big hills)
Battery Vehicles, not EVs. Battery scares the hell out of petroleum industry. 😮😮😮😮 20million vehicles in Australia 40million vehicles in UK ? Petroleum knows it can not keep your fuel topped up daily and were ever you park 23hrs every day. 😊 Grid electricity knows you can power your home every night. 😊 Selfplug-in V2G Battery Vehicles with massive daily storage and parked 23hrs every day scares Grid Electricity. Grid electricity makes dirt cheap electricity from the central generator into expensive electricity. The national electrical grid is a $TRILLIONS infrastructure investment and needs $BILLIONS of dollars in cash flow. Offgrid in the suburbs makes Grid electricity a dead duck economically.
Battery Vehicles, not EVs. Battery scares the hell out of petroleum industry. 😮😮😮😮 20million vehicles in Australia 40million vehicles in UK ? Petroleum knows it can not keep your fuel topped up daily and were ever you park 23hrs every day. 😊 Grid electricity knows you can power your home every night. 😊 Selfplug-in V2G Battery Vehicles with massive daily storage and parked 23hrs every day scares Grid Electricity. Grid electricity makes dirt cheap electricity from the central generator into expensive electricity. The national electrical grid is a $TRILLIONS infrastructure investment and needs $BILLIONS of dollars in cash flow. Offgrid in the suburbs makes Grid electricity a dead duck economically.
Couldn’t have said it better myself this is exactly what we provide. Great work Penrith Solar.
Very salesy. I'm happy with mine. Many things to weigh up, how much power do you use during the day? and is battery payback even possible within the warranty period?
What do you need for a one person occupant house?
Cost point of view, example start small and ad... you can parallel without issues...
Voltage variations in the local supply plagued our old 4 kW Inverter and often made it shut down. So glad we have upgraded to microinverters since then!
In July/August 2024 a cookie cutter 6.6kW is less likely to be the best value solution that it was back when they first came to market over 4 years ago. Today’s 450w panels means more roofs are capable of fitting 10kW+ hence the growth in 8 & 10 kW string inverters. Using micro inverters does help with ensuring maximum efficiency but also the “inverter” capacity simply adjusts with each panel fitted which is an under appreciated benefit.
I’m near Penrith & personally running 3x 6.6kW systems on 3x 5kW single phase inverters, each on 1 of 3 phases as my distributor allowed our property a maximum of 20kW inverter input balanced across the phases. Even with my big roof the panel ratings in 2019 were typically 315w so that took up all my north & west space (no east roof).
We also wanted Tesla Powerwalls installed & they are friendly with single phase inverters which further lead us to our setup. Lastly I knew a single 15kW 3 phase inverter would be no more efficient than 3x 5kW inverters and yet much more expensive to purchase and to replace if faulty out of warranty. Having 3 seperate 6.6kW systems provided triple redundancy and 6 strings to help improve the efficiency of the panels throughout the day.
The point I’m making is that 6.6kW string inverter installs have and can still be a great solution in specific situations. Just be aware that panels are now rated to produce nearly 25% more than they did in 2019 when 6.6kW became a thing so don’t settle for 6.6 when your roof can now easily be carrying a 10kW+ array or even significantly more. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
This guy speaks 50 per cent truth, 50 percent nonsense.
True bullsht just talking sht to upsale there enphase system and charge tripple the price for even non shading houses as well at the end of the day these guys are like the retailers just over charging
This bloke is one of the most respected solar sparkies in the country. I don’t always agree with him either. But he’s a great operator and a smart bloke. I don’t particularly agree with Jake’s Enphase obsession, but an install is more about the installer and the company behind the product. That’s Penrith solar every day of the week.
Just a lot of sales talk, why would you want to have the wire buried in the wall letting the rats and mice bite through them causing a failure? I’ve no problem with a nice piece of conduit at least you can see the run of the electrics and get to them if you need to. Your just trying to justify your over pricing 😂
exactly. fear mongering..
A good explanation, I have just received a quote for a 6.6 kW from Penrith solar, and you are right. It is nowhere near competitive with others due to in house trades and not sub contractor's.. However, When you only have 14 panels of roof space, how can you upsize to a bigger system to make it more cost competitive. . Is there another option?
Just an FYI, using in house installers, especially apprentices, who earn award wages should be cheaper than outsourcing to skilled contractor teams..... Don't buy into this rubbish they're pushing..... Contractors are legitimate small businesses just the same as this mob, they're aren't a bunch of tree loppers who go door knocking offering the cheapest rates.
Did you ever get an answer on this? Very fair question!
Not sure that what Penrith Solar is saying is correct , generally, the DNO in your area, will always have the last word about inverter size. Example my area NEast England, due to infrastructure weaknesses, will not allow individual domestic ,single phase properties to have higher than 3.6 kWt inverters. Why, future requests from other properties in my area for solar arrays, local networks unable to cope when too many systems are exporting in same area on a sunny day and lastly their inability to stop the network voltage rising above 253 volts if everyone is exporting.
Penrith saying their average system is above 12 kWs or similar just cannot be true as every installation is different, not average.h2onorth
Thanks for this informative video. A couple of questions and thoughts.
1. I understand you saying 5kw inverter might not be for everyone, particularly when people move to EV... But I'm guessing it will cost more for the home owner to not only get approval for anything above 33% or 6.6kw on a 5kw inverter, is that right?
2. Why is expanding systems such a challenge? Can you not just add more panels and upgrade the inverter? Can you perhaps make a video on the complexities?
3. I have a decent sized roof and installed 6.38kw for a 5kw inverter 6 years ago and have made my ROI... I'm wondering what options i have if my power needs increase in future
Great questions. Expansion sucks.
I have a 10 Yr old 4kW with 4kW inverter system. Has been rock solid.
But couldn’t expand it. Nobody, literally nobody would give me any options.
So adding a system with a 12.8.kWh battery and 6.6kWh Solar with quality 5kW hybrid inverter was the best match for my needs by a long way.
The costs for literally anything else was simply not viable for the ROI.
@@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 that's interesting. The question is why???? I mean.... Literally swapping out panels from a 200w to a 500w shouldn't be too big of a deal right? Swapping out a 5kw inverter shouldn't be a big deal right? I'm curious as to what's limiting the expansion besides just roof space?
@@kage7772I get the sense they don’t want to touch systems that are in place because they can’t make margin $$’s on them and if they touch them they may break them and then it’s a nightmare on warranties and who is responsible.
@@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 AC coupled invwerter with battery added to your 4kw system, if you are in the UK and with a 10yr old system that would be a FIT of about 35p with 15 yrs left
@@ecoterrorist1402 thanks bro. I’m in Australia and not knowledgeable with electrical stuff. Can you point me to a great channel or resource I can learn?
What if the house roof space doesn't have space for more than 15 panels, are you going to say go to someone?
is there anyone in Brisbane with this level of care and pride in their work? any suggestions? thank uou. edit: ahh springers and MC electrical question answered when I watched it further.
what utter nonsense, sounds like your market is manipulated to insensitive the 6.6kw system with a 5kw inverter.
in 2012 the UK the old G98 self certification system up to an inverter of 3.68kw with 4kw array was mostly installed. and everyone demanded a south facing install.
today in 2024 east/west systems seem to offer better value for the customer as the panels are the cheapest part of the installation.
battery installation will still only just give the customer RIO within most warranties, thou GivEnergy now offer a jump from 10 to 12 yrs on there battery.
A year later is it leaking now?
The most hilarious thing is that I have a customer that has a 6.6 kW system on their roof.
Today, that system produced 28.5 kWh. This is smack bang in the middle of winter, mind you.
So you're either lying about the solar production figures of your customers, or you are admitting that even with your "better" in-house teams and more expensive products, the 6.6 kW systems that Penrith Solar perform noticeably worse than a Jinko & Growatt system.
What's the name of that fall arrest system?
Airhook max pro!
Dude bungs on about paying a day rate. You should be charged by the hr.
Way to many installers don't even know what is on the market with inverters. Go online and see people load test systems and yes much cheaper systems and find they stand up.
Talk talk like retailers as what sales guys do to always talk them selves up but i do t see this guy on the tools
wow! We are off grid and about 12 years ago, we bought our system. Panels, 8 x 6V batteries (had to replace them about 2 years ago), generator etc. Cost us $35000 !!!!
Used to live at Quakers Hill, but now up in Qld about 23Km for the nearest small town
Get ready for the size ....... 2.4 Kw )))
Just thought that it might interest you, that you are talking of, what I see as "massive" systems, while we have our little 2.4 Kw system
Alas, being on a pension, we can't afford to upgrade. It took me heaps of time just to save up for the new batteries )))))))
And there's something wrong with what we've got. So, I'm having to kick over the genni every night for about 3 hours (say 6pm to 9pm) to make sure that we use "that" power and don't run the batteries down below 8.8V
Then, we turn off fridge n freezer and have a bucket of water in the dunny so that the water pump doesn't kick in if anyone needs to spend a penny during the night
Thanks for the interesting video ))))
By the way, that Alan Border mob won't touch us with a 10 foot pole because "we are off grid" But I wouldn't go on grid anyway. It would mean that we'd have to run power about 800mthrough 2 creeks and down then up mountains (hmmm big hills)
Battery Vehicles, not EVs.
Battery scares the hell out of petroleum industry. 😮😮😮😮
20million vehicles in Australia
40million vehicles in UK ?
Petroleum knows it can not keep your fuel topped up daily and were ever you park 23hrs every day. 😊
Grid electricity knows you can power your home every night. 😊
Selfplug-in V2G Battery Vehicles with massive daily storage and parked 23hrs every day scares Grid Electricity.
Grid electricity makes dirt cheap electricity from the central generator into expensive electricity.
The national electrical grid is a $TRILLIONS infrastructure investment and needs $BILLIONS of dollars in cash flow.
Offgrid in the suburbs makes Grid electricity a dead duck economically.
A lot of whining with little or no actual facts provided.
Battery Vehicles, not EVs.
Battery scares the hell out of petroleum industry. 😮😮😮😮
20million vehicles in Australia
40million vehicles in UK ?
Petroleum knows it can not keep your fuel topped up daily and were ever you park 23hrs every day. 😊
Grid electricity knows you can power your home every night. 😊
Selfplug-in V2G Battery Vehicles with massive daily storage and parked 23hrs every day scares Grid Electricity.
Grid electricity makes dirt cheap electricity from the central generator into expensive electricity.
The national electrical grid is a $TRILLIONS infrastructure investment and needs $BILLIONS of dollars in cash flow.
Offgrid in the suburbs makes Grid electricity a dead duck economically.