So ive watched this video about 7 times now and even gone as far as to buying all 4 frigates, getting frigate skills to 5 and all weapons skills to 4 and gearing all ships with lowest tier faction gear and rigs. I have tested all 4 using the 95k-700k t6 encounters and I have to say, im having a ball in the teeny tiny things. After trying all 4 out, I myself have decided that the Condor II seems to perform the most reliably with the most consistent damage output. This was followed in very close second by the Atron II with the highest raw damage. Unfortunately the Executioner II and the Slasher II just didn't do it for me at all (and at the moment I fly Amarr!) So I think in summary I may well do a two pronged approach and start to climb both the small missile and the small railguns skill trees. This gives me a nice choice of current tech, shield tanking frigates and destroyers (Condor II, Corax Sniper, Cormorant Navy Issue etc.) Leading to my personal favorite faction frigate in the Daredevil! Anyway, felt the urge to share my own personal mini test and also urge others to do the same! Its a testament to the cost of these ships when I have geared all four of them up with faction weapons and rigs (combat AND mechanical) All for under 20mil.
I will have to agree. The Condor II is a blast to fly. I traded out the torpedoes for missiles and me damage doubled. BTW don't forget to set your autopilot to warp out or bad things can happen.
@@captainbenzie Yeh the Aux Thrusters I are 5 mill+ each thats why I was hesitent he did all four ships for 20 mill. The rigs alone are 7 mill+ for each ship. The login items are only "free" one time until they are blown up, so I wouldn't call em disposable. Still 10 mill for a fully fitted ship this leathal and so much fun is probably a bargain either way you see it. Will definatley try it out this evening. Thx for great content!
Wall of text warning from a PvE solo pleb: I went with the Condor II since I am more of a fan of rockets, the torps failed on low tier (obviously) so I replaced them with missiles and those worked like a charm, on tier 4 however (large anomaly) I had to warp out multiple times, as soon as a webifier catches you you are pretty much dead meat/retreating (I am tech 5 my build is not quiet as sophisticated as the one in the video since the prices of modules are a bit high for me) I dropped my own webifier in favor of a stronger shield recharger and decided to stick to missiles since I can stay far away, it seems like this could work as long as you keep the enemy at bay aka 20km away (which for some odd reason no longer works for me with auto orbit, since that puts me
I've been kite speedtanking with a Condor II for a while now, clearing out t6 and t7 anomalies. It takes a while but it's cheap and gets the job done. Newbies should try it especially when doing encounters
@@nangirb1 frigates are much faster than destroyers. What I do is I keep a distance, maybe 18 to 19 km and run the afterburner. I use missiles because they have the longest range of all weapons. So I'm just orbiting at a distance firing missiles and webifiers can't get me because destroyers are slower. I can beat up to T7 Cruisers and destroyers no problem. It's just slow to kill them because missiles take a while to fire and reload. best thing to do if you're worried about webifier is to kite them from long distance using afterburner and missiles. They can't keep up.
@@nangirb1 autocannons won't work with kiting because they have short range. This video talks about the condor, and it's the same way I've been flying for a long time. Doesn't work in other areas like PvP, but it works with anomalies most of the time.
@@vankyre alright, thanks, i will consider it. currently i play mostly with my cruiser, but been looking for a bit change of pace so i am considering these frigates just for fun
I lost mine as well two days ago. Not even to a player, in one of those story missions. Seems to learn the game, you lose ships anyway, so you might as well train with the less expensive ones.
That makes 3 of us. I lost my omen this evening by getting jumped on the final wave of a lg t6. I learned my lesson of not ratting alone. An expensive lesson to be sure
I lost my algos trainer with top tier rigs and weapons 3 mil isk. From then I focused in mining and in manufacturing. Now I have a venture and 2 frigates. I am also working on 2 projects, in constructing a thrasher guardian and a thorax prototype
Love the Slasher II. Built one with industry and it flies circles around my enemies in nullspace! It is so fast with it's cannons which fire ridiculously fast. Great video captain.
Well Captain I loved my Slasher II past tense......until I got ambushed in a Null .2 Zone and was destroyed before I could get away.....(Humming Death March song). Back to the drawing board to rebuild and maybe find him to get my revenge...!
Captain Benzie is the best. For someone like me who never had played Eve online before, his videos have really helped me gain the much needed knowledge to do well in this game. Keep the videos coming!
Benzie I went back to watch this as I’m getting into ratting now. I didn’t realize you were a firefly fan man that just put you to top spot on my eve echoes watch list lol. Stay shiny man!
I am so glad I came across your channel. Your explanations are so clear, and I am very grateful for all the knowledge I have gained from your videos. Thank you Captain!
I just built the Condor II Cap'n, and will be testing it first thing tomorrow. I love the aesthetic of the ship, it looks like a Klingon Bird of Prey, my Fav Star Trek Frigate class. Since i suck balls at PVP i'll start at T5 and work my way up. Thanks for the builds!
Torpedo launchers are great if the anomaly doesnt have an npc with a webifier! I would use them normally, but once they hit me with a webifier, i warp out, change to small missiles, then warp back. I then change my orbit to the small missile range to keep my ship out of webifier range. Nice video Capt.!
I was doing t8 anomalies with a condor II with this philosophy... Takes a bit time to kill the ships but its surprisingly safe. I could even leave my phone behind fighting without fear of getting damaged.
Please more frigate/destroyer content. Im going small ships and im struggling to keep up with the people in my corp that are using cruisers. Does this ever change or am I destined to make less than people in bigger ships? Are smalls ships even viable for end game?
@%101 Real [NOT FAKE !!!] I am not interesting in buying but I am in the process of manufacturing it. I am currently alpha but I thinking upgrading to omega because of the advantages in manufacturing when making ships.
This video is a few years old for anyone trying to puzzle out the incredible price differences that Cpt. Benzie is mentioning in the video compared to the now and absurd prices that are currently on the market. For example as of 0452, Sat, Mar 26, the "absurdly cheap" Quafe Small Snubnosed Railgun, is now priced at 3,271,914.43 ISK. BUT!!! It gets better because once you actually tap on the Snubnosed Railgun to purchase one, then you will realize that the market price is a baseline price because the final price is 5,000,000.00 ISK AND their are only 6 Quafe Small Snubnosed Railguns available for purchase at only one station. So yeah lots has changed...but the content of the video is still very valid and I will be trying these builds out myself right now....thanks Cpt Benzie!
The problem with this is that any combat site with 2 or more webifier slows you down to less than 1000m/s and your damage is not enough to kill at least one of them.
With the balance changes. Almost every level of rats now has webs. So you can no longer do a T7 like this video. The T7 I tried yesterday I had 2 webs on me at all times. Sadly the devs really screwed over speed tanks.
I tried a 150k mission, three webs, just impossible. The bounty is a joke. Didn’t even have time to check what hit me, if they don’t change this, then like Cartman said, screw u guys, I’m goin’ home. . Shame on a otherwise fun game. To the captain, Thank you for the great videos. It isn’t your fault if some stupid programmer thinks it is a good idea to make the game unplayable for beginners with limited amount of cash.
@@resolutogamer4859 really ? without any problems ? that seems bs. I have the exact same ship and fit and I can barely scrape by on the advanced missions that pay 100k.
So glad I saw this! I was spending so much time in a cruiser, training cruiser skills because I thought that’s what I had to do for higher tier anomalies. So glad to be back in a frigate and really enjoying myself again!
I have to say I be tricked by these speed tank video and spend my free skill points got full skill and spent 4m to get full equipment, just find from T4 to T6 annomines there're at least 3+ weber awaiting me. good job captain, you got me, now I back to my criuser and blow those damn weber skyhigh! no more speed tank, not any more...
Can I ask what what range we should orbit with the slasher II and is there a reason why you have not used a webifier for the slasher II and you have with the other ships? Don't you need to slow down the frigates for example?
Can you please explain how you do your initial approach at an angle. Are you doing something more than tapping a locked target and selecting orbit? I understand transverse velocity, but apart from selecting orbit on (and perhaps webbing) a target do I have any control beyond that?
Was this before or after dynamic AI update? I used almost identical set up and tactics for a small 7 anomaly in my Executioner II with probably a slightly higher skill level. They were all over me and I had to bug out after only being able to down a Talwar.
How much ISK per hour do you make doing this though? I only see this as a way to earn up to a cruiser. I run T6 anoms in my caracal (all mk5 fittings) and bring in about 3.5m/hr before selling any loot. The interceptors have half the DPS so I don't see how this can be worth it in the long run.
so I build your slasher 2 speed tanker.. it works.. it's not exactly cheap it still cost me around 15m for everything. I hope I will get them back with doing anomallies. cheers
Tried to pimp my condor II, but without its full speed (1500 - 1800) its practically impossible to stay out of reach in T7 anomalies. I hope to get my afterburner skill up so that its possible to reach those speeds.
Hi Cap, nice video as usual. I run the kiting version of the Condor II, and it struggles with Elite T7 Encounters. Does the brawling version fare any better against those encounters?
I fly a Condor II since a few days with exactly the build you showed in the video. I feel like it only works against Cruisers or bigger ships, it troubles a lot against the Destroyers in my Sector, they always have Webifires. Is there anything I can so against them?
@@germanvalor742 I use a Condor II over my destroyers and cruisers. I use missiles and orbit around 20 km. You're safe from the webifiers at that range, but it takes a while cause missiles are slow af. Give it a try and see how you like it.
hi, i'm interested in the slasher 2 but i kept wondering would the strike cannon be as good as the autocannon? or the autocannon is a must? i realize that taking strike cannon would make me need to take a bigger orbit and thus can't use nosferatu properly?
@@captainbenzie thanks, then how about dealing with those pesky destroyers that brought webs? should i take my time to destroy them outside web range or keep increase my speed to get over 2000?
So sir i tried putting the exact same fittings on con2 as you did but for me the powergrid is coming short for most of the stuff. I haven't trained the required skills yet. So could you pls tell why is this happening?
How do you put MK5 stuff to T4 ship? It's not working, I've got notice about problem with unefficient capacitor :o I love Atron 2 and I want it, but... this configuration is extremely expensive - these railguns cost 1,5m ISK each, rigs 3-5 m ISK each. I try to make a cheaper version, but without rigs it'ii be useless.
@@captainbenzie what about with skills trained for the Atron fit. Will the DPS be like 200? For someone who hasn't trains any of the advance weapon skills yet is the Atron the fastest at clearing the sites with the skills trained up? plus with the snub quafe railguns. Is there a way to test out fits to see the DPS without having to have all the skills trained and modules purchased?
@@captainbenzie for someone starting out which ship you listed with the skills all trained can complete the sites the fastest. is that also the one with the highest DPS? Also how long does it take to solo a t7 with these ships?
@@captainbenzie can you explain what you mean by more intensive? Also does that mean that the Atron will clear sites faster than the executioner or slasher?
Tnx! casual player here and I never imagine I'll ever fly wih Atron coz it looks like a very unfortunate duck🤣😂 but damn I'm loving it earning steady isk now😁 sadly some snubnose is expensive for a low budget player rn xD maybe an update of these vid? and Subbed!
I think my game has bugged. I have same skills and my condor 2 navigation is only 306ms. When inhave afterburners on init about 600ms or am I missing something?
Really loving these builds! Haven't tried a T6 or T7 yet, and it can handle a large T5 with ease, but I have yet to be able finish a T5 scout or inquisitor in these. I feel like the elite cruisers are packing too much damage and range to stay alive long enough to clear it. Is it even possible?
Frigates have two basic advantages over the other ships, size and speed. Being small helps avoid damage, especially from missiles. But speed is life. It gets you into range, out of trouble, and can keep you from being hit. Webifiers are your biggest enemy, 1 on you and you start taking damage, 2 on you and you are in serious trouble, 3 on you and you are replacing a ship. Learn to recognize which anomaly ships usually have them and take those out first. Also, if there are several of them, don't be afraid to try to kite them until they spread out, or simply move on to another anomaly. Frigates are very fragile. If you need to run away, you don't get much time to make that decision. Keep a destination in the autopilot so that you can start to warp with one button press. You won't have time to look through menus to select a destination. I run two builds at the moment, a Condor II (pretty closely fitted to what Benzie described) and a Stabber fitted for long range kiting. The Stabber may be safer, but the frigate is way more fun. So, have fun! P.s. watch your approaches into combat and from ship to ship, that is where you are most vulnerable other than webifiers.
I have yet attempted T5 anomolies in my Condor II since I got jumped last time (Death in seconds). I have learned much by this guide and will go into my News challenges which equals only me vs the pirates without getting jumped. We shall see, once fully fitted, how well I will do. Stay tuned.
@@captainbenzie Thanks! I do have to be careful that I only have 3 hrs to complete them. In a Condor yes very possible, but dicey vs Ruptures and such, but in Talwar Sniper it takes a while with those 40km plus shots.
@@captainbenzie My Cormorant II with Musket Railguns seems most effective at tearing them to pieces in short order while maintaining a stable capacitor vs Ruptures, Belicors, and Talwars so far. The triple isk rewarded for individual kills, completing the encounter, and bounties are great without worrying about getting jumped. Keep up your great tips.
trying to do T7 encounter, got blasted off, using condor II with speed approximately at 1.3k, am I miss something, or I need to boost it more? I'm just diving into enemy and start orbiting slowest NPC or webifier NPC. oh btw, that velocity rig is pretty expensive lol
ga ada yang salah, cuma git gud doang. gw semua skill yang relevan cuma ke level 4 doang (aing ga suka frigate sooo) dan gw bisa aja tuh nyelesaiin enc t7.
@@captainbenzie I quite like using beams instead of pulses, it gimps your damage but it makes it easier to avoid the npcs webs as optimal is around 11k. I had to sacrifice the nos due to poor power grid but popped an additional web on there for those times when a ship with a warp disruptor gets a little too close; I managed to take out a lvl8 anom with this thing though I would be lying if I said it was quick.
Any tips on the one problem I am having in my Corax Sniper v Elite Destroyers that are the only things I can't deal with on T7 Story mission. Fast ships that regen when I am kiting and so I cannot get the damage I need to finish them off before they make me warp - I have Republic Small Missiles, Shield Booster, Shield Extender, Afterburner, Nos and Webifier. I am on advanced 3 small missile operation and lvl 2 small missile upgrade. Have tried every tactic to no avail
@@captainbenzie Thanks for that - I heard that torpedoes are more effective against those faster ships - I am also continuing to upgrade the missile skills - I already have 60 km sniping range so that might work well
I haven’t seen any comments about anom size. The final wave of a t7 anom has taken me out with similar skills in an executioner II. I’m wondering if it’s the ai change since thai video, anom size. Or something else.
I don't think you can run these Anomolies or even Advanced Encounters in this way anymore. In the more recent updates, a lot of the npc ships are using Warp Disruptors, as well as various electronic warfare items, which lock you down and kill you before you can warp out. I would love to see a video of how you handle this new wrinkle captain.
@@captainbenzie I have been looking at that and I am in the process of building the very ship you mentioned. I still have problems with the warp disruptors locking me down before I can destroy the ship. Even with a Talwar Sniper, I got disrupted as soon as I entered the Advanced encounter by a Moa I believe or it was another Talwar and was destroyed before I could react to warp out or return fire.I would love to see an updated video of a fight into some of these places (Advanced Encounteres or T5 Angel Anomolies) when you find another ship that jams you and how you handle it. Perhaps I am entering too close? Your advice is always appreciated Captain.
This video was made 1 day ago on my screen. In the video Quafe snubnosed rail gun DPS is 61.44 right. But you go to the market and click on Quafe small subnosed rail gun it's 29.48 DPS. This is 1 day ago. How is that possible. I'm looking at the DPS of Quafe small rail gun as I write this comment. Can you explain where did you find Quafe small rail guns at 61.44 DPS.
@@captainbenzie Oh. Sorry. My bad. I wanted to say - why NOT using disruptors instead of webifiers in your fits? I'm currently flying T4-T5 catalists JFF in T+1 encounters and anomalies, and they do really good with disruptors and rifled railguns. Why rifled? To stay away from tacklers - 20km total range is enough stay safe using AB. Slowing down other ships doesn't seem to me to be that usefull, considering your own speed.
@@captainbenzie Sure, they ain't that usefull if both opponents are orbiting around each other like autists, but in most PvE situations they do help me out. PS I'm new to Echoes. Been flying in Eve online 4 a couple'o'years. Find your videos quite interesting though a bit outdated.
Rally impressed and inspired by the video. Thanks. Turned from a kitting pilot to brawling Frig pilot. Love the play style. I have been using Condor II speed tank fit. Had to skill up Frigate Command, Defense Upgrade, Shield ops, After Burner and ofcourse Small missile ops and upgrades to really enjoy the fight. However was being webbed more and more... making things worse for the speedy little thing, swapped my torps for missiles and now I have enough range to stay out of web range, but this makes me struggle with the cap as I cannot use the NOS. This did not work in case of PVP when the target had a MWD, it was really hard to keep out of its web range, but the target could keep me out of my NOS range, causing me to run out of Cap in the middle... very embarrassing situation, no idea how to deal with this situation. Any suggestions Capt? I tried replacing the AB with a MWD to overcome the webs, did not help much as with the signature increase, multiple targets hitting me in PVE, I was taking more damage than I could shield boost. Also with MWD, it was difficult to maintain the close orbit to stay in my NOS range. Its fun, but things are changing in EO.
Hahaha thks for this video, its great as usual. I had this figured out before and was doing small t7s with a executioner and all lvl4 basic skills :)... and EXACTLY the same fit. 1300m/s and 95 dps. Im too slow to beat caracals though. Missiles always hit and the damage percentages are too high at my speed. Any tips?
@@captainbenzie hmm I must be doing something wrong here... Got spanked in a T7 anom. Can't find any T6 for the life of me, but tried a T6 recommended encounter and got spanked again. Can't even keep in the fight long enough to kill a single rat. My Exocutioner II's overall defense is showing as 1,544. All the same MK 5 tech. Same rigs except the less powerful versions that come in the crates. All relevant skills are lvl 4. Don't have advanced skills for any of the small/frigate stuff tho - only have advanced Armor Op.
@@chase-bank try to kill ships that equipped with webifier first( you will memorize those npc ships soon) , getting webbed is a sure death scenario for speedtanks
I tried a Condor 2 fitted with torpedoes and lost it in a T6 or T7 encounter. Got webified down to about 700 m/s and then started taking on damage way too quickly. I think missiles are the way to go for the condor as I can safely orbit at 20km range with about 100 dps.
Captain Benzie - EVE Echoes This still doesn’t make sense to me (when using short range weapons) because even trying to take out just one ship which is webbing u, means you’re going to take way more damage from all ships because you’re going to be slowed down for that time. So it sounds like this tactic of taking the webbifiers out first requires very high burst dmg weapons to do so, so you can burn them down quick. You may even have to break away from the pack at far range, heal back up, dive in again, rinse and repeat until all webifiers are dead. I just can’t see sitting in the middle of a pack and taking 2 or 3 different webifiers out at once. Again perhaps having maxed skills can permit this and give u way more punch to pull it off.
Captain Benzie - EVE Echoes Ya tried this again on a simple T5 encounter with a fully equipped Condor II ship, including rigs, and it’s the web stasis that gets me nearly killed every time. The first wave is a breeze but the second wave has two stasis ships (Caracal & Cormorant). I don’t even get halfway through trying to kill the Cormorant before I take too much damage (from 2 Caracals & 2 Cormorants), because I’m slowed down, and have to warp out. I can’t even using my afterburner to get out and gain distance because my speed has been dropped so considerably. In effect, without warping out, I would have been dead...twice (ie a sliver of health each time) and lost the ship to boot. I mean don’t get me wrong. If u kite the enemy away from each other enough, then you have the room to tackle them all individually. But that’s a lot of kiting and time to “prep" the enemy, so you can tackle them one ship a time.
Captain Benzie - EVE Echoes I finally figured out what was happening to me in my T5 speed tanking tests! I was getting hit by two stasis webifiers at the same time and their speed reductions were being stacked (which I didn’t even know could happen). So I’m going from 1200 m/s to 600 m/s to then 300 m/s in a couple of seconds. That’s when I get nuked by a bunch of missiles that can then hit and damage me really easily, due to my slower speed. So it’s almost like you need to do a straight (but angled) fly-by to check which ships have the stasis webifiers and then kite and separate them to kill them first. At least one of them. Once you do that, getting hit by only one stasis webifier seems fine and you can ride it out in the middle of the pack easily while trying to kill it next because you’re speed is still somewhat fast enough. What’s really weird is that the ships on these T5 encounters don’t always have two stasis webifiers. Yet for some reason, EVERY time I tested with my Condor II, I’d encounter two of them on the first wave. Bizarre. When I tested with my alts slasher II, I went through two easy tests until the third time he encountered two stasis webifiers as well (and proceeded to get nuked too). Anyways mystery solved.
I got the daily rigs on it with a little smaller bonuses, the small skills to level 4 both and i got less dps, how can you get more if you havent skilled the railguns even with the quafe
For all those that thinks torpedo are crap. Check out Wingspantt videos. You will rethink your decision. Eve isn't a plug and play game you gotta have some concept and strategy to what you are doing. Don't think you can just fit what ever I to a ship and it will succeed.
Yeah that's what I meant and not talking about tracking, I was thinking that if your weapons are firing at a different time if may effect that damage but I suppose your TV is not going to change that much..
I followed the Atron II build but unfortunately I'm finding it useless for doing encounters. Every single one I've tried in T5 has a ship with a webber which slows me down and causes super heavy damage very quickly and I have to warp away before dying. It does not seem possible to take out whichever ship has the webber before I die, or even if I could it would be very risky. These same T5 encounters are easy if I simply use a kiting ship instead. Shame, I was hoping to try a different playstyle.
do what i do and always have a planet selected and when u kill last npc of the wave, align to that planet full afterburner, then get range on the new wave, stop ship and wait to see what ship gets closer to u, then about 50km burn in to it if it seems semi isolated. I know, its a pain in the ass but its nice to get good doing it with these cheap frig fits in case later on ccp makes it harder to get around low sec with big slow ships.. Don't be afraid to take a few hits while being webbed when u are trying to kill one.. just be prepared to warp..
Great vid again mate. I have skilled into Missiles so I am going with the Condor II. I have fitted it out as you said but I couldn't afford the torpedoes so I put Mk5 ones in. I am missing the Warhead Heating Catalyst (unfortunately, I put it on another ship to grind and I gt jumped and killed!). My Small Missile operation is 4 as is my upgrade. My Frigate Command is at 4. Afterburner at 3. Should I be able to do this with what I have so far? I tried to practice on a T5 Anomaly but had to bale each time I tried. Almost killed 1! lol... Any thoughts on what is going wrong? Would it be at all posible for you to make a vid showcasing the Condor II doing the anomaly? Thanks in advance for any feedback...
Am i missing something? I see those navigation rigs with hefty price tags on the market, Auxiliary thrusters I is 4.5m and the II version ten times that. Nice video's btw o7
Good vid. Just discovered that anomalies does not equal encounter missions difficulty. While my skills allow me to fairly easy speed tanking and clearing t6 anomalies, i got allmost crushed on t6 encounter mission 2nd. wave. Literally everyone had stasis webifier, was lucky to escape wit couple % of hull. Lesson learned o7
Ive been clearing medium sized T7 anomalies in a Kestrel.. thing is a beast :) I tried the same thing in my Condor 2, but had trouble with the penultimate wave. maybe i need more Advance skills in my brain :) Great vids btw o7
It's very tricky flying condor 2 with torps, when there are no webfires then you just fine and the damage is amazing, but in tier6-7 encounters some rat(destroyers) always carry a webfire and when a speed tanking ship getting webbed it always makes me kinda worry lol
Nice stuff! Especially because it's a viable and affordable options for alpha clones! Also the sneaky Firefly reference was just beautiful. People need to politely Upvote this more.
Hi Captain! I was wondering if you could do a video on the tech 5 vexor. I would like to know what is the best build for it and how high in tech lvl anomalies I can realistically do with it. I dont even have all 5 drones as mediums yet and I dont even have basic medium drone to lvl 5 but I'm getting 187 dps with snubnose rails and a tech 5 drone damage booster with close to 250 dps when the damage booster is active. I can very easily do most tech 6 anomalies and missions (even large ones) with a little bit of careful piloting. I am honestly a little too scared to try level 7 missions because I'm not sure my tank will hold. I'm running an afterburner, adaptive armour hardener, medium rep, and drone damage booster in the lows. Im using 2 faction medium nosferatus to keep everything running at almost all times. After watching this video im thinking I should skill into frigates lol. Just give up on the vexor because medium drones are so darn expensive. I was really hoping you could make a video on the vexor showing its true power before I sell it and buy an atron xD I want to know if it is realistically possible for an alpha clone (or an omega such as yourself) to run tech 7's safely in a tech 5 vexor. Thanks for the informative videos as always!
So those small sunb nose rail guns are now selling for 800k and have a DPS of like 28 ? What am I missing here ? At the time you posed they were 20k and had a dps of 68 ? Clearly i am not understanding something :(
So ive watched this video about 7 times now and even gone as far as to buying all 4 frigates, getting frigate skills to 5 and all weapons skills to 4 and gearing all ships with lowest tier faction gear and rigs. I have tested all 4 using the 95k-700k t6 encounters and I have to say, im having a ball in the teeny tiny things.
After trying all 4 out, I myself have decided that the Condor II seems to perform the most reliably with the most consistent damage output. This was followed in very close second by the Atron II with the highest raw damage. Unfortunately the Executioner II and the Slasher II just didn't do it for me at all (and at the moment I fly Amarr!)
So I think in summary I may well do a two pronged approach and start to climb both the small missile and the small railguns skill trees. This gives me a nice choice of current tech, shield tanking frigates and destroyers (Condor II, Corax Sniper, Cormorant Navy Issue etc.) Leading to my personal favorite faction frigate in the Daredevil!
Anyway, felt the urge to share my own personal mini test and also urge others to do the same! Its a testament to the cost of these ships when I have geared all four of them up with faction weapons and rigs (combat AND mechanical) All for under 20mil.
I will have to agree. The Condor II is a blast to fly. I traded out the torpedoes for missiles and me damage doubled.
BTW don't forget to set your autopilot to warp out or bad things can happen.
Curious how you did this (you say with rigs) under 20 mil when 4 aux thrusters alone are 20 mill? Am I missing something?
@@captainbenzie Yeh the Aux Thrusters I are 5 mill+ each thats why I was hesitent he did all four ships for 20 mill. The rigs alone are 7 mill+ for each ship. The login items are only "free" one time until they are blown up, so I wouldn't call em disposable. Still 10 mill for a fully fitted ship this leathal and so much fun is probably a bargain either way you see it. Will definatley try it out this evening. Thx for great content!
@@Otto_Phalanx don't forget that the missile's reload speed is greater than that of the torpedo
Wall of text warning from a PvE solo pleb:
I went with the Condor II since I am more of a fan of rockets, the torps failed on low tier (obviously) so I replaced them with missiles and those worked like a charm, on tier 4 however (large anomaly) I had to warp out multiple times, as soon as a webifier catches you you are pretty much dead meat/retreating (I am tech 5 my build is not quiet as sophisticated as the one in the video since the prices of modules are a bit high for me)
I dropped my own webifier in favor of a stronger shield recharger and decided to stick to missiles since I can stay far away, it seems like this could work as long as you keep the enemy at bay aka 20km away (which for some odd reason no longer works for me with auto orbit, since that puts me
I just downgraded from a caracal navy to the executioner, i need to upgrade some skills, but it worked really well
Spent my game time last night in a Condor II clearing an Advanced Amar Mission. Crazy!!! I love my Condor II.
I've been kite speedtanking with a Condor II for a while now, clearing out t6 and t7 anomalies. It takes a while but it's cheap and gets the job done. Newbies should try it especially when doing encounters
btw how do you handle the destroyers with webifier? I kept getting problem if there are those in the opponents (especially talwar)
@@nangirb1 frigates are much faster than destroyers. What I do is I keep a distance, maybe 18 to 19 km and run the afterburner. I use missiles because they have the longest range of all weapons. So I'm just orbiting at a distance firing missiles and webifiers can't get me because destroyers are slower. I can beat up to T7 Cruisers and destroyers no problem. It's just slow to kill them because missiles take a while to fire and reload.
best thing to do if you're worried about webifier is to kite them from long distance using afterburner and missiles. They can't keep up.
ah i see, so it seems that if missiles need more time, then i would need even more time with autocannons. thanks for the advise
@@nangirb1 autocannons won't work with kiting because they have short range. This video talks about the condor, and it's the same way I've been flying for a long time. Doesn't work in other areas like PvP, but it works with anomalies most of the time.
@@vankyre alright, thanks, i will consider it. currently i play mostly with my cruiser, but been looking for a bit change of pace so i am considering these frigates just for fun
I just lost my omen navy issue with top tier beam lasers and it has made me seriously consider going into cheaper frigates and away from cruisers.
I lost mine as well two days ago. Not even to a player, in one of those story missions. Seems to learn the game, you lose ships anyway, so you might as well train with the less expensive ones.
That makes 3 of us. I lost my omen this evening by getting jumped on the final wave of a lg t6. I learned my lesson of not ratting alone. An expensive lesson to be sure
I lost my algos trainer with top tier rigs and weapons 3 mil isk. From then I focused in mining and in manufacturing. Now I have a venture and 2 frigates. I am also working on 2 projects, in constructing a thrasher guardian and a thorax prototype
SAME, my boy "ONI" has been destroyed yesterday..for now im focusing to condor II ratting
@memba berry please tell us more about this 40m an hour
i build the atron with this guide and its sick! many thanks!
Love the Slasher II. Built one with industry and it flies circles around my enemies in nullspace! It is so fast with it's cannons which fire ridiculously fast. Great video captain.
Well Captain I loved my Slasher II past tense......until I got ambushed in a Null .2 Zone and was destroyed before I could get away.....(Humming Death March song). Back to the drawing board to rebuild and maybe find him to get my revenge...!
Captain Benzie is the best. For someone like me who never had played Eve online before, his videos have really helped me gain the much needed knowledge to do well in this game. Keep the videos coming!
Benzie I went back to watch this as I’m getting into ratting now. I didn’t realize you were a firefly fan man that just put you to top spot on my eve echoes watch list lol. Stay shiny man!
You're the man! Executioner II does an amazing job!
thanks for this guide, deep nullsec farming is safer than farming in 0.4 haha
@Best Songs Iists theres no ppl at all. I lost my caracal navy in a lowsec system bc three frigates jumped me.
Exactly after losing too many ships to condor's switch to same tactics lol
I love mining ventures
@memba berry t7?
memba berry please tell me how!
I am so glad I came across your channel. Your explanations are so clear, and I am very grateful for all the knowledge I have gained from your videos. Thank you Captain!
I just built the Condor II Cap'n, and will be testing it first thing tomorrow. I love the aesthetic of the ship, it looks like a Klingon Bird of Prey, my Fav Star Trek Frigate class. Since i suck balls at PVP i'll start at T5 and work my way up. Thanks for the builds!
Torpedo launchers are great if the anomaly doesnt have an npc with a webifier! I would use them normally, but once they hit me with a webifier, i warp out, change to small missiles, then warp back. I then change my orbit to the small missile range to keep my ship out of webifier range. Nice video Capt.!
Atron was my favorite ship in OG. It's not ugly, you bastard! I always thought it looks like a dog from the front.
Love the firefly reference.
I was doing t8 anomalies with a condor II with this philosophy... Takes a bit time to kill the ships but its surprisingly safe. I could even leave my phone behind fighting without fear of getting damaged.
I did a T7 large with Atron 2 (for the Med ORE hulls) took forever ...
Saw you at JITA today in your fancy 450M isk ship
Firefly is my favorite science fiction series 😂😂
The Executioner II is working great for me. Thanks for the information!
Came here for frigate ideas, stayed for the Firefly reference.
Please more frigate/destroyer content. Im going small ships and im struggling to keep up with the people in my corp that are using cruisers. Does this ever change or am I destined to make less than people in bigger ships? Are smalls ships even viable for end game?
I should absolutely invest isk in atron 2. I also would strongly recommend if you could do a video on how to fit a thorax prototype.
Hey I can make one for you to make a video
@%101 Real [NOT FAKE !!!] I am not interesting in buying but I am in the process of manufacturing it. I am currently alpha but I thinking upgrading to omega because of the advantages in manufacturing when making ships.
@%101 Real [NOT FAKE !!!] Lucky!!!
What is your build
Well i would of built it but I just lost everything materials wise....
This video is a few years old for anyone trying to puzzle out the incredible price differences that Cpt. Benzie is mentioning in the video compared to the now and absurd prices that are currently on the market. For example as of 0452, Sat, Mar 26, the "absurdly cheap" Quafe Small Snubnosed Railgun, is now priced at 3,271,914.43 ISK. BUT!!! It gets better because once you actually tap on the Snubnosed Railgun to purchase one, then you will realize that the market price is a baseline price because the final price is 5,000,000.00 ISK AND their are only 6 Quafe Small Snubnosed Railguns available for purchase at only one station. So yeah lots has changed...but the content of the video is still very valid and I will be trying these builds out myself right now....thanks Cpt Benzie!
The problem with this is that any combat site with 2 or more webifier slows you down to less than 1000m/s and your damage is not enough to kill at least one of them.
Perfect timing, I wanted to do some high level pve, but can't afford to lose anything at the moment, but you came in clutch.
Lol now I see how a slasher 2 took my stabber out
With the balance changes. Almost every level of rats now has webs. So you can no longer do a T7 like this video. The T7 I tried yesterday I had 2 webs on me at all times. Sadly the devs really screwed over speed tanks.
I tried a 150k mission, three webs, just impossible. The bounty is a joke. Didn’t even have time to check what hit me, if they don’t change this, then like Cartman said, screw u guys, I’m goin’ home. . Shame on a otherwise fun game. To the captain, Thank you for the great videos. It isn’t your fault if some stupid programmer thinks it is a good idea to make the game unplayable for beginners with limited amount of cash.
@@leatherwiz I'm a free to play player using a Talwar Trainer equipped with tier 5 small missiles;
Completing those missions without any major problem
@@resolutogamer4859 really ? without any problems ? that seems bs. I have the exact same ship and fit and I can barely scrape by on the advanced missions that pay 100k.
@@araibirshad8294 watch this Captain Benzie video, pay attention ( at 12 minutes) about correct combat strong enemies
ruclips.net/video/r9RCSdyfIoI/видео.html
@@resolutogamer4859 where ? he just talks about fitting the ship for range. Unless you got the timestamp wrong.
What are your bounty ticks or length of time for the small anoms?
wow, that hate towards the most beautiful frig ingame...#atronislove #atronislife
I'm late to this but the Atron is beautiful. It's a stooping falcon with a puppies face.
What are the skills needed for the excutioner 2 to get that dps?
So glad I saw this! I was spending so much time in a cruiser, training cruiser skills because I thought that’s what I had to do for higher tier anomalies. So glad to be back in a frigate and really enjoying myself again!
I have to say I be tricked by these speed tank video and spend my free skill points got full skill and spent 4m to get full equipment, just find from T4 to T6 annomines there're at least 3+ weber awaiting me. good job captain, you got me, now I back to my criuser and blow those damn weber skyhigh! no more speed tank, not any more...
I'm coming to realize that speed tanking might be more my play style. How well is speed tanking in pvp?
Can I ask what what range we should orbit with the slasher II and is there a reason why you have not used a webifier for the slasher II and you have with the other ships? Don't you need to slow down the frigates for example?
Can you please explain how you do your initial approach at an angle. Are you doing something more than tapping a locked target and selecting orbit? I understand transverse velocity, but apart from selecting orbit on (and perhaps webbing) a target do I have any control beyond that?
@@captainbenzie Double tap on empty space!! Great. Thanks.
What are your skill levels to get those INSP lasers to dps of 57.75? Mine are only at 22.48.
Was this before or after dynamic AI update? I used almost identical set up and tactics for a small 7 anomaly in my Executioner II with probably a slightly higher skill level. They were all over me and I had to bug out after only being able to down a Talwar.
How much ISK per hour do you make doing this though? I only see this as a way to earn up to a cruiser. I run T6 anoms in my caracal (all mk5 fittings) and bring in about 3.5m/hr before selling any loot. The interceptors have half the DPS so I don't see how this can be worth it in the long run.
Captain ... how do you handle Webifiers and Nosferatus when in so close?
so I build your slasher 2 speed tanker.. it works.. it's not exactly cheap it still cost me around 15m for everything. I hope I will get them back with doing anomallies. cheers
Tried to pimp my condor II, but without its full speed (1500 - 1800) its practically impossible to stay out of reach in T7 anomalies. I hope to get my afterburner skill up so that its possible to reach those speeds.
Firefly died way too soon. No, not died...it was murdered.
The vid I was hoping for!! Thank you!
Hi Cap, nice video as usual. I run the kiting version of the Condor II, and it struggles with Elite T7 Encounters. Does the brawling version fare any better against those encounters?
I fly a Condor II since a few days with exactly the build you showed in the video. I feel like it only works against Cruisers or bigger ships, it troubles a lot against the Destroyers in my Sector, they always have Webifires.
Is there anything I can so against them?
@@captainbenzie That's annoying. I thought maybe there was an item to compensate for it. Anyway, thank you for the great video and the answer
@@germanvalor742 I use a Condor II over my destroyers and cruisers. I use missiles and orbit around 20 km. You're safe from the webifiers at that range, but it takes a while cause missiles are slow af. Give it a try and see how you like it.
hi, i'm interested in the slasher 2 but i kept wondering would the strike cannon be as good as the autocannon? or the autocannon is a must? i realize that taking strike cannon would make me need to take a bigger orbit and thus can't use nosferatu properly?
@@captainbenzie thanks, then how about dealing with those pesky destroyers that brought webs? should i take my time to destroy them outside web range or keep increase my speed to get over 2000?
Could these builds take on advanced Encounter missions or is that just to much for something like this ?
So sir i tried putting the exact same fittings on con2 as you did but for me the powergrid is coming short for most of the stuff. I haven't trained the required skills yet. So could you pls tell why is this happening?
@@captainbenzie oh yes alright i understood imma train that one. Thanks for help!
Btw are you logging in the game nowadays?
How do you put MK5 stuff to T4 ship? It's not working, I've got notice about problem with unefficient capacitor :o
I love Atron 2 and I want it, but... this configuration is extremely expensive - these railguns cost 1,5m ISK each, rigs 3-5 m ISK each. I try to make a cheaper version, but without rigs it'ii be useless.
Is the Atron the highest DPS of all the frigates you went through? Is it the fastest out of the 4 ships to complete the T7 anomolies? Thank you
@@captainbenzie what about with skills trained for the Atron fit. Will the DPS be like 200? For someone who hasn't trains any of the advance weapon skills yet is the Atron the fastest at clearing the sites with the skills trained up? plus with the snub quafe railguns. Is there a way to test out fits to see the DPS without having to have all the skills trained and modules purchased?
@@captainbenzie for someone starting out which ship you listed with the skills all trained can complete the sites the fastest. is that also the one with the highest DPS? Also how long does it take to solo a t7 with these ships?
@@captainbenzie can you explain what you mean by more intensive? Also does that mean that the Atron will clear sites faster than the executioner or slasher?
Been doing this for a while with my condor interceptor. I'm a solo player, so I like to move quick, and hit hard. Faction missles definitely help
how are you already teir 8?
@@EgarSeaborn faction tech is tech level less anyone can use, but they are rare in game
Tnx! casual player here and I never imagine I'll ever fly wih Atron coz it looks like a very unfortunate duck🤣😂 but damn I'm loving it earning steady isk now😁 sadly some snubnose is expensive for a low budget player rn xD maybe an update of these vid? and Subbed!
I think my game has bugged. I have same skills and my condor 2 navigation is only 306ms. When inhave afterburners on init about 600ms or am I missing something?
Really loving these builds! Haven't tried a T6 or T7 yet, and it can handle a large T5 with ease, but I have yet to be able finish a T5 scout or inquisitor in these. I feel like the elite cruisers are packing too much damage and range to stay alive long enough to clear it. Is it even possible?
I'm a gallente pilot, does that affect the bonus which ships I can use?
please make a video about (Manticore Frigate) I really wanted you to show which equipment is best to use on it
@@captainbenzie okay i'm very happy. thanks for answering my comment
I love the look of the Atron.
Nice video! Can you also make a video on PvP using cheap ships or frigates? Don't wanna sacrifice my expensive ship since I've never tried PvP:)
Thank you, I am getting started on frigate and I had no idea how to fit my condor II. Got any other tips for frigates.
Frigates have two basic advantages over the other ships, size and speed. Being small helps avoid damage, especially from missiles. But speed is life. It gets you into range, out of trouble, and can keep you from being hit.
Webifiers are your biggest enemy, 1 on you and you start taking damage, 2 on you and you are in serious trouble, 3 on you and you are replacing a ship. Learn to recognize which anomaly ships usually have them and take those out first. Also, if there are several of them, don't be afraid to try to kite them until they spread out, or simply move on to another anomaly.
Frigates are very fragile. If you need to run away, you don't get much time to make that decision. Keep a destination in the autopilot so that you can start to warp with one button press. You won't have time to look through menus to select a destination.
I run two builds at the moment, a Condor II (pretty closely fitted to what Benzie described) and a Stabber fitted for long range kiting. The Stabber may be safer, but the frigate is way more fun. So, have fun!
P.s. watch your approaches into combat and from ship to ship, that is where you are most vulnerable other than webifiers.
I have yet attempted T5 anomolies in my Condor II since I got jumped last time (Death in seconds). I have learned much by this guide and will go into my News challenges which equals only me vs the pirates without getting jumped. We shall see, once fully fitted, how well I will do. Stay tuned.
@@captainbenzie Thanks! I do have to be careful that I only have 3 hrs to complete them. In a Condor yes very possible, but dicey vs Ruptures and such, but in Talwar Sniper it takes a while with those 40km plus shots.
@@captainbenzie My Cormorant II with Musket Railguns seems most effective at tearing them to pieces in short order while maintaining a stable capacitor vs Ruptures, Belicors, and Talwars so far. The triple isk rewarded for individual kills, completing the encounter, and bounties are great without worrying about getting jumped. Keep up your great tips.
trying to do T7 encounter, got blasted off, using condor II with speed approximately at 1.3k, am I miss something, or I need to boost it more? I'm just diving into enemy and start orbiting slowest NPC or webifier NPC. oh btw, that velocity rig is pretty expensive lol
ga ada yang salah, cuma git gud doang. gw semua skill yang relevan cuma ke level 4 doang (aing ga suka frigate sooo) dan gw bisa aja tuh nyelesaiin enc t7.
why am i not flying with Z Captian Benzie. best youtuber imho
Quick question... How did u Fit 2 imperial Lasers on ur Executioner.. Im following the same Fittings on it.. Im confused
@@captainbenzie im using pulse yes.. My frigate command is going to be lvl in 5 hours
Wait frigate engineering... I forgot they're different from command :l oops
@@captainbenzie grats on 15k subs btw
@@captainbenzie I quite like using beams instead of pulses, it gimps your damage but it makes it easier to avoid the npcs webs as optimal is around 11k. I had to sacrifice the nos due to poor power grid but popped an additional web on there for those times when a ship with a warp disruptor gets a little too close; I managed to take out a lvl8 anom with this thing though I would be lying if I said it was quick.
so basically the missile rigs work for torpedos too cuz there are no torpedo rigs?
I like the name "Quafe" snubnosed railgun like what u just choging it an entire sylender of Quafe to full this thing xd
I use my slasher2 for PvE and PvP.
Got 152dps at the moment
With 2000m/s
What cannons do you use?
Captain Benzie - EVE Echoes time to invest!
Any tips on the one problem I am having in my Corax Sniper v Elite Destroyers that are the only things I can't deal with on T7 Story mission. Fast ships that regen when I am kiting and so I cannot get the damage I need to finish them off before they make me warp - I have Republic Small Missiles, Shield Booster, Shield Extender, Afterburner, Nos and Webifier. I am on advanced 3 small missile operation and lvl 2 small missile upgrade. Have tried every tactic to no avail
@@captainbenzie Thanks for that - I heard that torpedoes are more effective against those faster ships - I am also continuing to upgrade the missile skills - I already have 60 km sniping range so that might work well
I haven’t seen any comments about anom size. The final wave of a t7 anom has taken me out with similar skills in an executioner II. I’m wondering if it’s the ai change since thai video, anom size. Or something else.
How to increase power unit? I can't fit a mark 5 afterburner on my ship..
I don't think you can run these Anomolies or even Advanced Encounters in this way anymore. In the more recent updates, a lot of the npc ships are using Warp Disruptors, as well as various electronic warfare items, which lock you down and kill you before you can warp out. I would love to see a video of how you handle this new wrinkle captain.
@@captainbenzie I have been looking at that and I am in the process of building the very ship you mentioned. I still have problems with the warp disruptors locking me down before I can destroy the ship. Even with a Talwar Sniper, I got disrupted as soon as I entered the Advanced encounter by a Moa I believe or it was another Talwar and was destroyed before I could react to warp out or return fire.I would love to see an updated video of a fight into some of these places (Advanced Encounteres or T5 Angel Anomolies) when you find another ship that jams you and how you handle it. Perhaps I am entering too close? Your advice is always appreciated Captain.
This video was made 1 day ago on my screen. In the video Quafe snubnosed rail gun DPS is 61.44 right. But you go to the market and click on Quafe small subnosed rail gun it's 29.48 DPS. This is 1 day ago. How is that possible. I'm looking at the DPS of Quafe small rail gun as I write this comment. Can you explain where did you find Quafe small rail guns at 61.44 DPS.
Where do people got Gistum Type c factions loot? I've done story t8 and doesn't drop that one...
Why using tracking/guidance disruptors instead of the webifier? Well except for capacitor reasons?
@@captainbenzie Oh. Sorry. My bad. I wanted to say - why NOT using disruptors instead of webifiers in your fits? I'm currently flying T4-T5 catalists JFF in T+1 encounters and anomalies, and they do really good with disruptors and rifled railguns. Why rifled? To stay away from tacklers - 20km total range is enough stay safe using AB. Slowing down other ships doesn't seem to me to be that usefull, considering your own speed.
@@captainbenzie Sure, they ain't that usefull if both opponents are orbiting around each other like autists, but in most PvE situations they do help me out.
PS I'm new to Echoes. Been flying in Eve online 4 a couple'o'years. Find your videos quite interesting though a bit outdated.
Rally impressed and inspired by the video. Thanks. Turned from a kitting pilot to brawling Frig pilot. Love the play style. I have been using Condor II speed tank fit. Had to skill up Frigate Command, Defense Upgrade, Shield ops, After Burner and ofcourse Small missile ops and upgrades to really enjoy the fight.
However was being webbed more and more... making things worse for the speedy little thing, swapped my torps for missiles and now I have enough range to stay out of web range, but this makes me struggle with the cap as I cannot use the NOS.
This did not work in case of PVP when the target had a MWD, it was really hard to keep out of its web range, but the target could keep me out of my NOS range, causing me to run out of Cap in the middle... very embarrassing situation, no idea how to deal with this situation. Any suggestions Capt?
I tried replacing the AB with a MWD to overcome the webs, did not help much as with the signature increase, multiple targets hitting me in PVE, I was taking more damage than I could shield boost. Also with MWD, it was difficult to maintain the close orbit to stay in my NOS range.
Its fun, but things are changing in EO.
Hahaha thks for this video, its great as usual. I had this figured out before and was doing small t7s with a executioner and all lvl4 basic skills :)... and EXACTLY the same fit. 1300m/s and 95 dps. Im too slow to beat caracals though. Missiles always hit and the damage percentages are too high at my speed. Any tips?
I have actually even more DPS with my Atron II build but for Caracals the only tip I have so far is warp away while you can :/
Im working on my skills. Just decided frigates are more fun than auto orbiting rats in cruisers and the skills train damn fast.
@@captainbenzie hmm I must be doing something wrong here... Got spanked in a T7 anom. Can't find any T6 for the life of me, but tried a T6 recommended encounter and got spanked again. Can't even keep in the fight long enough to kill a single rat. My Exocutioner II's overall defense is showing as 1,544. All the same MK 5 tech. Same rigs except the less powerful versions that come in the crates. All relevant skills are lvl 4. Don't have advanced skills for any of the small/frigate stuff tho - only have advanced Armor Op.
@@chase-bank try to kill ships that equipped with webifier first( you will memorize those npc ships soon) , getting webbed is a sure death scenario for speedtanks
I tried a Condor 2 fitted with torpedoes and lost it in a T6 or T7 encounter. Got webified down to about 700 m/s and then started taking on damage way too quickly. I think missiles are the way to go for the condor as I can safely orbit at 20km range with about 100 dps.
I managed to finish a medium t6 with a condor II. I just focused fired the ones with webs. Large t6 requires too much micro tho.
@@k1nase616 The problem is that you don't know which ones webified you until you're webified.
Captain Benzie - EVE Echoes This still doesn’t make sense to me (when using short range weapons) because even trying to take out just one ship which is webbing u, means you’re going to take way more damage from all ships because you’re going to be slowed down for that time. So it sounds like this tactic of taking the webbifiers out first requires very high burst dmg weapons to do so, so you can burn them down quick. You may even have to break away from the pack at far range, heal back up, dive in again, rinse and repeat until all webifiers are dead. I just can’t see sitting in the middle of a pack and taking 2 or 3 different webifiers out at once. Again perhaps having maxed skills can permit this and give u way more punch to pull it off.
Captain Benzie - EVE Echoes Ya tried this again on a simple T5 encounter with a fully equipped Condor II ship, including rigs, and it’s the web stasis that gets me nearly killed every time. The first wave is a breeze but the second wave has two stasis ships (Caracal & Cormorant). I don’t even get halfway through trying to kill the Cormorant before I take too much damage (from 2 Caracals & 2 Cormorants), because I’m slowed down, and have to warp out. I can’t even using my afterburner to get out and gain distance because my speed has been dropped so considerably. In effect, without warping out, I would have been dead...twice (ie a sliver of health each time) and lost the ship to boot.
I mean don’t get me wrong. If u kite the enemy away from each other enough, then you have the room to tackle them all individually. But that’s a lot of kiting and time to “prep" the enemy, so you can tackle them one ship a time.
Captain Benzie - EVE Echoes I finally figured out what was happening to me in my T5 speed tanking tests! I was getting hit by two stasis webifiers at the same time and their speed reductions were being stacked (which I didn’t even know could happen). So I’m going from 1200 m/s to 600 m/s to then 300 m/s in a couple of seconds. That’s when I get nuked by a bunch of missiles that can then hit and damage me really easily, due to my slower speed.
So it’s almost like you need to do a straight (but angled) fly-by to check which ships have the stasis webifiers and then kite and separate them to kill them first. At least one of them. Once you do that, getting hit by only one stasis webifier seems fine and you can ride it out in the middle of the pack easily while trying to kill it next because you’re speed is still somewhat fast enough.
What’s really weird is that the ships on these T5 encounters don’t always have two stasis webifiers. Yet for some reason, EVERY time I tested with my Condor II, I’d encounter two of them on the first wave. Bizarre. When I tested with my alts slasher II, I went through two easy tests until the third time he encountered two stasis webifiers as well (and proceeded to get nuked too).
Anyways mystery solved.
But why go for armor, instead of shield?
I was going to build a Slasher II, I collected most of the stuff you need to build one, but I can't find the blueprint.
I built the Atron and tried a t6 mission and run into a missiles pack and they blew me to smithereens :) can these work on missiles anomalies?
Not sure what I am doing wrong because the t6 caldari missiles damages chew through my Atron 2 in no time at all when my speed is in 620+
I got the daily rigs on it with a little smaller bonuses, the small skills to level 4 both and i got less dps, how can you get more if you havent skilled the railguns even with the quafe
Hey this is awesome! A video for the cheap ships I love XD but I don't understand why you don't have the shield booster on all the ships
@@captainbenzie is there a video explaining the difference or benefits over shield booster and armor repairs?
How many cost to fiting ship?
For all those that thinks torpedo are crap. Check out Wingspantt videos. You will rethink your decision. Eve isn't a plug and play game you gotta have some concept and strategy to what you are doing. Don't think you can just fit what ever I to a ship and it will succeed.
Is it not better to link your weapons in order to get a better chance of DPS hit due to transverse valocity?
Yeah that's what I meant and not talking about tracking, I was thinking that if your weapons are firing at a different time if may effect that damage but I suppose your TV is not going to change that much..
"If anyone gets nosey, you know, just... shoot 'em!"
"Shoot 'em?"
"Politely!"
I'm guessing that must be from an episode of Dallas? 😉
It's from Firefly.
I followed the Atron II build but unfortunately I'm finding it useless for doing encounters. Every single one I've tried in T5 has a ship with a webber which slows me down and causes super heavy damage very quickly and I have to warp away before dying. It does not seem possible to take out whichever ship has the webber before I die, or even if I could it would be very risky. These same T5 encounters are easy if I simply use a kiting ship instead. Shame, I was hoping to try a different playstyle.
do what i do and always have a planet selected and when u kill last npc of the wave, align to that planet full afterburner, then get range on the new wave, stop ship and wait to see what ship gets closer to u, then about 50km burn in to it if it seems semi isolated. I know, its a pain in the ass but its nice to get good doing it with these cheap frig fits in case later on ccp makes it harder to get around low sec with big slow ships.. Don't be afraid to take a few hits while being webbed when u are trying to kill one.. just be prepared to warp..
What would you say is the direct upgrade up from the executioner II?
Captain Benzie - EVE Echoes ah yes of course hehe. Sorry i meant is there someting in between for lvl 7
Captain Benzie - EVE Echoes isn‘t this one missing the speed for speedtanking as the executioner?
Great video as usual!
Great vid again mate. I have skilled into Missiles so I am going with the Condor II. I have fitted it out as you said but I couldn't afford the torpedoes so I put Mk5 ones in. I am missing the Warhead Heating Catalyst (unfortunately, I put it on another ship to grind and I gt jumped and killed!). My Small Missile operation is 4 as is my upgrade. My Frigate Command is at 4. Afterburner at 3. Should I be able to do this with what I have so far? I tried to practice on a T5 Anomaly but had to bale each time I tried. Almost killed 1! lol... Any thoughts on what is going wrong? Would it be at all posible for you to make a vid showcasing the Condor II doing the anomaly? Thanks in advance for any feedback...
@@captainbenzie Thanks mate. I will level up my skills some.
Am i missing something? I see those navigation rigs with hefty price tags on the market, Auxiliary thrusters I is 4.5m and the II version ten times that. Nice video's btw o7
Good vid. Just discovered that anomalies does not equal encounter missions difficulty. While my skills allow me to fairly easy speed tanking and clearing t6 anomalies, i got allmost crushed on t6 encounter mission 2nd. wave. Literally everyone had stasis webifier, was lucky to escape wit couple % of hull. Lesson learned o7
ahoy cap'n benzie o7..
is this effective for inquisitor and scout anomalies as well?
@@captainbenzie thanks cap'n... will try this to earn isk with a low cost ship..
Ive been clearing medium sized T7 anomalies in a Kestrel.. thing is a beast :) I tried the same thing in my Condor 2, but had trouble with the penultimate wave. maybe i need more Advance skills in my brain :) Great vids btw o7
It's very tricky flying condor 2 with torps, when there are no webfires then you just fine and the damage is amazing, but in tier6-7 encounters some rat(destroyers) always carry a webfire and when a speed tanking ship getting webbed it always makes me kinda worry lol
@@captainbenzie then, how to bait the target ? I know it's silly question, but im just clueless lol xD
Nice stuff! Especially because it's a viable and affordable options for alpha clones! Also the sneaky Firefly reference was just beautiful. People need to politely Upvote this more.
@@captainbenzie such a great series. probably a good time to rewatch it again hah! Still can't believe they cancelled it after only 1 season though...
Torp breacher. Try it!
I've been waiting for this video with out even knowing 🤙🏻
Hi Captain!
I was wondering if you could do a video on the tech 5 vexor. I would like to know what is the best build for it and how high in tech lvl anomalies I can realistically do with it. I dont even have all 5 drones as mediums yet and I dont even have basic medium drone to lvl 5 but I'm getting 187 dps with snubnose rails and a tech 5 drone damage booster with close to 250 dps when the damage booster is active.
I can very easily do most tech 6 anomalies and missions (even large ones) with a little bit of careful piloting. I am honestly a little too scared to try level 7 missions because I'm not sure my tank will hold. I'm running an afterburner, adaptive armour hardener, medium rep, and drone damage booster in the lows. Im using 2 faction medium nosferatus to keep everything running at almost all times.
After watching this video im thinking I should skill into frigates lol. Just give up on the vexor because medium drones are so darn expensive. I was really hoping you could make a video on the vexor showing its true power before I sell it and buy an atron xD
I want to know if it is realistically possible for an alpha clone (or an omega such as yourself) to run tech 7's safely in a tech 5 vexor. Thanks for the informative videos as always!
@@captainbenzie cheers! I must have missed the video lol.
So those small sunb nose rail guns are now selling for 800k and have a DPS of like 28 ? What am I missing here ? At the time you posed they were 20k and had a dps of 68 ? Clearly i am not understanding something :(
@@captainbenzie good point . But dam 800k I might go one step down which is considerably cheaper