I think Lloyd and Cole's designs perfectly show that a year has passed. They both have longer hair and in general look like an older version of their previous designs
i think cole’s tired eyes being removed in the wild brain era is kind of smart, cole was so eager to look for wu so leaving him restless until he found wu so it just makes sense kind of
Keeping Zane’s original eyebrows was the best decision they could make. The movie ones were just thin straight lines and looked really stupid. He had them in MotO but luckily WildBrain gave him the original ones back.
@@garmadon3 Exactly. It's just, I like the current titanium face in both show/LEGO versions, but why is the minifigure SO angry? Zane is literally the sweetest boy in the entire show, why can't they change his expression to a more neutral one? He's barely angry
@@felipevaldes3487 I was recently able to finally get my first set and was slightly shocked to see how angry zanes face is. Kai and Jay have two faces (happy and angry) but they can't do that with zane. I wish they at least had a second head for him so he could be happy for once.
100% agree with this video. The new designs are more expressive, stylized, and just fit the ninja better in almost every single way. I just wish the transition between the two went smoother. I in fact did lose some sleep back in 2017 over how sudden and misleading the changes were, but at least it all turned out well in the end!
One thing I love about Lloyds redesing is that they gave him a normal mouth. The old one always had that stupid blocky shape when he talked and overall, Lloyd original face was the most bland out of them all
And some people can still say the new lloyd design is shit. Like bro he sounded and looked annoying af. As a ninjago fan who's been watching since 2011 I'm glad they changed it.
I am pretty set on most of these designs, but I wish that Cole kept that scar or we could get a modern minifgure with his earth-powered form. That being said Nya is by far the best improvement imo. They fact that she now has a more defined and personalized face allows for LEGO to give her more personalized facial expressions. LEGO used to use old city faces for Nya around 2015-2016, wich I personally didn’t find great. Now that prob can’t happen again due to Nya having a more defined face.
Lloyd's old design from season 2-7 mainly looked like that cuz it was supposed to be an 'older' version of young lloyd. Hence the childish face print and the basic hairpiece. That's why i loved the season 8 redesign for him cuz it was his proper transition into a grown up, to fit with the rest of the ninja.
i love every one of the redesigns, they also changed some personality traits to some of the ninja wich i mostly enjoy, except kai's personality change, he went from a leader/serious/cocky guy to just a joke, in the newer seasons he kinda just acts like a side character instead of a main one, at least in crystalized he got a bit more serious
Kai has always been the butt of alot of jokes though. "Leader" S5 even spends multiple of its episodes trying to tell the audience that Kai is not cut out for leadership
@@Crusty783 but yet kai still got the most focus of the 4 ninja that season. Kai basically was the main character until season 8. He’s still awesome and certainly feels the same, but he’s been sidelined drastically
I was mad at first, but then I realised how it actually turned out to be a good thing. The fact that Lloyd was getting older, the battle scars some of the ninja had, it shows they've changed and grown with time. Lloyd's voice change I think was a good decision too, showing how he's growing up. They could be more creative now, with his relationships, emotions, a d even a more complex personality.
If they never changed Lloyds voice actor in Sons of Garmadon I don't think some scenes would be as emotional or impactful, like imagine og Lloyd repeating "The resistance never quits"
Nya: New is better Lloyd: New is WAY better Cole: Equally good Jay: Fine, but bring back the eyebrow notch Zane: Equally good Kai: Mixed on his. I associate the new design with his character from S8 onward (which I don't like) so it's never grown on me. I actually like the old hair cuz it reminds me of an anime character. I do like how the new one has a scar though.
SOG and hunted is what actually saved this show considering the redesigns has such a backlash but because this show is a fan favourite, it’s still going strong today. EDIT: the redesigns are a controversial topic, but I love them I think there so much better, but the og’s are always nostalgic
I think the reason Kai's hair model looks weird is that its not based on an actual Lego model. Also I don't mind the scar disappearing, it makes sense given how scars fade over time
@@Crusty783 was it ever confirmed to be a permanent scar? Maybe it was more of just a scratch, that healed naturally over a year. He got it at the end of DOTD and had it in s7, but they were only like days at max apart so it'd make sense that the scar was still there.
The personality traits for the ninja has changed ever since they got their new designs. Kai used to be serious, a well thought out leader and he was cocky, but now it’s taken to a whole nother level. Jay seems to be more immature. Cole’s more laidback and they seemed to have brought back his leader personality in Season 13. Nya’s more hot headed like her brother. She was angry in Season 5 and 6, but sometimes she gets angry when she’s annoyed. I think Zane’s voice got deeper. Lloyd with his new voice is very fitting since he was voiced by a male in the movie and recently, he always lashes out when he’s angry
"A well thought out leader" When he lead the team in S5, he: -spent a full day leading the ninja in the wrong direction, despite having a map -haggled with ronin in order to pay more for the scroll of airjitzu Kai has always been an idiot
@Crusty783 has he been an idiot sometimes? Yes. Has his character drastically changed in the opposite direction and for the worse? YES. Since you use season 5 for comparison, I have an example if his character change for you. In season 5, it is pushed heavily that Kai views Lloyd as a little brother. Kai is willing to risk drowning to save Lloyd. Kai puts himself at risk multiple times when facing Morrow to save Lloyd. In season 8, Kai throws a hissy fit when it comes to giving up their power to save Lloyd. Kai's character has been completely changed in the new seasons, and he hasn't always been an idiot. He has had his idiotic moments, but as seen in s4, he is not a complete idiot.
My main issue is with Kai. His face looks strange with his bandage and mouth. And the newx Kai hairpiece is garbage, it’s way too tall and makes Kai vehicles difficult to design. The old one is ICONIC and stays on the minifigure really well (also yeh I always have a strand of hair sticking up on my head, don’t know why)
Like many people I was peeved at the redesigns at first as well but I quickly grew used to them. My bigger concern was that they'd all end up with VA changes like Lloyd did in order to more closely mimic the movie (not the actual movie actors, obviously, but sound alikes) but that didn't happen so yay. Jay does mildly annoy me for the sole reason that while the others look similar enough that they can be justified by time passing he looks just different enough that it's kind of hard to justify. I do like that show Kai finally has his scar and Cole being sleeveless makes so much sense to me in hindsight.
I 100% agree with everything you said. Lloyd’s new voice does make sense though as I couldn’t imagine Lloyd’s older voice actor with the new character design
I have a theory to kinda work worth Jay’s new design (not really good, but it could work if you made it) In season 4, there’s a brief mention of his wearing concealer, which was meant to be a “guy wears makeup” joke but we could take it as “Jay hides his freckles” His old hair design was pretty short, so he could just have natural curls And on a lot of the mini figures for him, his eyebrows are his original ginger colour, which could imply that he dyes his hair brown (I miss the eyebrow notch though, give it back)l
The old designs biggest problems was that they could have their face put on any other minifig and no one would bat an eye. But the current designs just feel like proper character designs that are uniquely distinct.
I started laughing when you talked about Kai's old hair, and when you started talking about why it looks stupid, I don't hate Kai's old hair, love both new and old, the new hair is pretty neat I guess :)
All of the Ninjago redesigns are better than the original. Especially the wildbrain ones, love that they brought zane's and jay's original hair colours back
@@edz5765 the old designs all use existing pieces, jay's hair has been used on 100+ minifigs, you can just grab most of thair hair and head and put it on a random civilian and also no non ninjago fans would know where the pieces are from
Wait, really? I mean, I have LEGO Jay's current hairpiece in the orange/red hair colour, but as I'm aware, the show hasn't used it. But I remember seeing Zane with his new hair in blonde
I personally don't mind these designs as much as I used to, but I still have a few criticisms with them: -Jay's design is so much of a stretch from the original, that it almost changes his personality. I just think he's way less expressive than he used to be, as well as him now looking like a really shy kid rather than the loud jokester he is. - The removal of the iconic eyebrows really caused a problem with the show's iconic nature, as each ninja was distinguishable through just their eyebrows, but now I probably couldn't tell you which was which if I were given the same test.
While I don't think they're perfect, they're definitely an upgrade compared to the previous, especially jay and nya. I think it's really obvious that the designers were trying to differentiate the main cast as much as possible, I think it's perfect because now just by looking at a headpiece with no hair we can all tell which is which ninja at a first glance. giving nya a mole was probably the best way to differentiate her in a low-key way. Giving jay freckles is probably the most character-accurate detail they could have given him, I feel like it fits his personality PERFECTLY.
I pretty much agree with all your opinions. All the redesigns are upgraded imo. One thing I hate is people dropped the show because Jay has freckles. When that SoG clip first came out, the only thing I cared about was the Ninja were recognizable through their actions. As long as they were the same character, I wouldn’t really care about the redesigns. Also damn it’s been 5 years
LEGO should switch the Hairpiece's colour to ginger again (they could explain that Jay is just dying it). During my baby-toddler years, I was almost blonde, but as time went by, my hair became darker. So I get Jay's change could be natural Also, that hairpiece already exists in that colour, I've two of them.
The og designs worked and served their purpose and the newer ones are certainly an upgrade, just wish Jay and Nya looked more accurate to their past designs as I can’t tell they’re the same characters if i didnt know But aside from that I’m satisfied with the changes
I think for the transition between designs they could’ve introduced them when kai and nya returned through the time portal in season 7. this would help prove cole’s argument in ep 75 on how wu’s trip could’ve changed their designs.
I agree with what you said. I also think that they should’ve put jays eye brow slit, i think was very unique to his character because no one else in the show had it. One thing you didn’t mention was garmadons redesign. I think Garmadon looks much better than he did in season 1-2 and looks cooler with the purple on him. But besides that the video was great :) (I also laughed so hard when you talked about Kai’s old hair. That made my day lol)
I never really had a problem with the redesigns, but it was still something that I had to adjust too and I still don’t know which designs I prefer because in one hand Lloyd and Nya looked much better with the redesigns but Kai, zane, Cole and jay looked better with the original designs
I remember being really upset about this at first as well. I kept hoping it was fake and that they would reveal that it was all some big hoax. (I wasn't really that involved in social media at the time. I was very depressed when I saw the sets and knew that the designs were definitely changing. What was worse was that with Lloyd being the only one shown in the trailer, I thought they were changing all the character's voices as well. I definitely felt more relieved when I realized they just changed Lloyd's voice to make him sound older. Jumping to today, I have no problem with the current designs. The only thing I really miss is Jay's split eyebrow.
I think I prefer Kais older mouth I dunno there's something about his goofy lopsided smile and frown I like Also with his new mouth are those wrinkles or dimples or what? Like I genuinely don't know what it's supposed to be
And to this day, people still call seasons 8-10 one of the worst pieces of ninjago media simply because they are butthurt that Kai got actually decently good-looking hair.
This makes me feel like the only person in the community who never had a problem with the redesigns. I always liked them well enough. I didn't hate them or super love them either, but I thought they were generally an improvement and nothing to moan and cry about. Literally every other show ever, live action or animation, has character designs change. It's called being a living human being. Do YOU keep your hairstyle the same for your entire fcking life?! The redesigns don't bother me. What makes me ANGRY is how upset people got over something so trivial. GET OVER YOURSELVES! As I said, people change their hair.
I hated the changes at first, but I recently watched the whole series again.. Honestly? The old designs look kind of.. Naked? Empty? Anyway, they really help to make the characters look more unique. They're honestly way better, and I think people that disagree are blinded by nostalgia.
In my opinion bringing the movie designs was a great idea cuz now it shows that they’re growing older and they’re not teenagers anymore they’re adults now.
I feel like it would have been better if they used a mix of old and new designs like keep Jay eyebrow slash but change the hair that way it makes sense that they are getting older there , Lloyd eyebrows color did not really need to be changed but I like the green eyes but I really feel making old and new wouldn't really be bad
I know I'm two years late, but; I've ALWAYS been a fan of the movie designs, and I'm glad they used those designs (albeit with some tweaks that fit the show better) in Season 8 and onwards.
The people who think that season 7 was the last good ninjago season genuinely confuse me. Most of the people who say that in my experience haven't even seen anything past that or maybe they've seen one or two episodes. I really don't understand why people would think that new design = bad. Not to mention season 7 isn't anything special as is
Tbh, changing Zane and Lloyd’s design is what kinda saved the show for me. Ever since season four, I’ve always thought that Zane’s titanium design looked weird as heck (like, I don’t need to see the other side of the screen whenever I look at his face, tyvm), and although I had less problems with Lloyd’s design, his face feels weirdly…small? (It’s also generic as crap)
I was concerned at first, but Sons Of Garmadon and Hunted basically told me that these are the same Ninja we know and love, despite how different they look.
eh, I think they're a lot better than their old models, since they were litterally just re-using peices from other models. but with these, the characters actually feel a lot more unique, and fits their personalities quite well. although, the only one I really don't like, is the decision to change Jay's hair colour, since it doesn't really make sense on how red hair can just turn into auburn, but they luckily fixed it later with s16 p1 upwards by making his hair lighter. I think the reason why Cole's scar dissapeared after s7, is going to be explained in WOTD since it is during that time. though Nya's new hair peice...eh, its not that its bad, but the pony tail look has been used and re-used for so many female characters, that it often becomes confusing. it didn't exactuly help tell Pixal and her apart, when she had Pixals markings and hair in the seabound finale.
crazy how none of them has facial hair in my opinion lloyd had a glow up tbh i liked kai's original look and jays, zane looks the same cole his og design is way better
I would've combined the movie designs with the old ones, like how Zane has his old face with new hair, but for Lloyd, I would actually use the face that he had when Morro possessed him but before it turned green because that was actually a different face to his un possessed one, his eye brows were bigger making him look older and I think his eyes and mouth were also a bit different but would use that face with his new hair
An explanation would helped to underdtand what would happened after S7. All the new desings are such an upgrade, and they finally have their own siluettes, and pieces. Like, in other Lego lines you can call the "Lloyd's hair piece" as the others
i dont really know what to think of the re designs yet, Im currently re watching the whole show and when I was young I never got past hands of time. Partally because of the re design, I watched like 2 episodes sons of gramadon and then quit. I just couldnt get over the new look and it took away so much enjoyment of the show from me, but Im exited to see how I feel about them when Ill see them again soon
When we first saw the new designs I hated them. Now though, I actually like all of them way better. I also like that they still incorporate the old designs in flashbacks.
Reminds me of the time I talked to some guy on discord telling me that he stopped watching ninjago thinking that the lego ninjago movie was canon to the show prolly cos of the new designs.
8:40 I know I'm late, but that's because it WAS a baby face; this franchise has a lot of discrepancies between the show's character models and the actual lego minifigures (for example, Jay's new minifigure face is completely different to his old one yet in the show it looks nearly identical if you were to add a notch to his eyebrow). The minifigure versions of Lloyd have noticably different face prints for kid Lloyd and adult Lloyd, yet the show never actually updated to the latter and just used the kid face until the movie came out.
3:15 I thought you were gonna say it's unsettling like many think, lmao. It does look pretty good, especially in S15 For S1-7 Lloyd, I wish they gave him the updated minifig head used from Rebooted onwards. It fixes the weird smirk and tiny eyebrows, and looks like he's grown more. Instead of just being the young face, for 7 seasons...
I think there is an aspect of the redesigns where they're better simply because they're newer. The animations have a higher budget, they probably put more time into them than the original designs. I don't think there would be any doubts that they're better if it wasn't for nostalgia
Wrong opinion on the Kai hair lol. Though the new design is... tolerable, it is still far too over the top and long to conceivably fit inside his hood, which was much less of a problem with the old designs come to think of it. The old design fits his character (courageous, not cocky) much better. It also doesn't help that Kai has not had a decent arc since the redesigns.
I agree! That's why I like the old one better ;) In all seriousness, you are, of course, entitled to your own opinions. I just know that every in-person fan I have talked to prefers the old Kai hair, feeling that the new one is (even in the show) too over-the-top and crazy.
Personally I would have preferred meeting in the middle between movie and show designs. My big problem with the newer designs isn't necessarily the designs themselves, but that they looked SO much better in the movie. Even what, 8 seasons later I feel like they still have that uncanny valley effect. At least to me personally. I do have a few gripes with some of them (like how Zane's face feels a lot cheaper due to shading, and how it isn't as 'reflective,') but overall I think they're an improvement. I just feel like they were misplaced for the most part
For me I still feel the same with the new design. Zane, Cole, Lloyd and Nya look better than the original but Kai and Jay look awful and I prefer their original version.
I remember watching Cartoon Network a few years ago (I thought ninjago ended at season 6 bc they only had it till then on Netflix) I was surprised it was still running but I was SOOOOOOOOOOO confused and also very happy coz they changed Nya's design, I cannot describe how much I hated it ( -not only that but I also used to have huuuuuuuuge crush on Jay when I was 7 so that made my hatred for Nya worse- ) But I did get used to it eventually. I was also confused that the voces were the same as the classic ninjas but I'm honestly really glad about that too (no offence to the movie cast)
I like Cole, Lloyd, Zane, and Nya better with the redesign. Kai and Jay look just as good as their originals. I Especially like Lloyd's redesign, he looks so much better and older. Season 7 was a Stupid season, Season 8, 9, and 10 were all better.
Actually Cole and Jay have "explained" in a certain way, why they could have changed their look when they were talking about time traveling in that temple.
TO be honest, Zane and Kai's old designs were better but I don't wanna birng old designs back. biggest problem of the ninjas is personalities. they have changed their personalities after season 8 and I hate this.
The sole reason I still don't see these redesigns as in any way canonical appearances of the ninja is that they just don't make sense - haphazard time travel pondering from "The Mask of Deception" falls apart the moment you breathe its way. However much of an improvement the redesigns may be, you can't just change innate characteristics of a character, let alone the entire main cast, on a whim and pretend like nothing happened. Suspension of disbelieve, anyone? And it's not like Lego couldn't have done the changes reasonably by stopping at changing the human ninja's hairstyles. Even if they somewhat rearranged Lloyd's face - something they did for the minifigure back in 2014 for that matter - and gave him green eyes as part of a story, I would've had nothing substantial to say against it.
@@silentghost751 well jay's new design only problem with me is that he is more like a teenager even tho he acts like it sometimes and I don't feel any difference with others than they look more like what their personality says about them.
I like season 8 Lloyd voice and design more than pre season 8 Lloyd’s, I’m glad they redesigned Lloyd in season 8, same thing with the redesign with Kai, Cole, and Nya. Jays and Zane’s I like just slightly more then pre season 8
I'm not a big fan of Coles tired eyes and i'm happy they get rid of those. And Kais Bandage was a weird idea but overall the redesigns are SO MUCH better
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I think Lloyd and Cole's designs perfectly show that a year has passed. They both have longer hair and in general look like an older version of their previous designs
But why doesn’t cole have his scar I actually liked it
@@Samurai_540 it comes back when he uses his powers and sometimes scars fade away so it makes perfect sense
i agree Lloyd just got older
Lloyd having green eyes and brown eyebrows doesn't really fit but the hair is pretty good
I would argue Kai also showcases that as well
i think cole’s tired eyes being removed in the wild brain era is kind of smart, cole was so eager to look for wu so leaving him restless until he found wu so it just makes sense kind of
It actually does make sense
But some people just have tired eyes regardless or their personality and it definitely made him look more unique
Keeping Zane’s original eyebrows was the best decision they could make. The movie ones were just thin straight lines and looked really stupid. He had them in MotO but luckily WildBrain gave him the original ones back.
The problem is... LEGO hasn't updated the faceprint
@@felipevaldes3487 And for Titanium Zane they made completely different eyebrows that he never had in the show.
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Exactly. It's just, I like the current titanium face in both show/LEGO versions, but why is the minifigure SO angry? Zane is literally the sweetest boy in the entire show, why can't they change his expression to a more neutral one? He's barely angry
@@felipevaldes3487 I was recently able to finally get my first set and was slightly shocked to see how angry zanes face is. Kai and Jay have two faces (happy and angry) but they can't do that with zane. I wish they at least had a second head for him so he could be happy for once.
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100% agree with this video. The new designs are more expressive, stylized, and just fit the ninja better in almost every single way. I just wish the transition between the two went smoother. I in fact did lose some sleep back in 2017 over how sudden and misleading the changes were, but at least it all turned out well in the end!
I agree! The transition was a tad unnatural, but worthwhile
Turned out well? They aren't fitting at all
One thing I love about Lloyds redesing is that they gave him a normal mouth. The old one always had that stupid blocky shape when he talked and overall, Lloyd original face was the most bland out of them all
And some people can still say the new lloyd design is shit. Like bro he sounded and looked annoying af. As a ninjago fan who's been watching since 2011 I'm glad they changed it.
Honestly, the old teen Lloyd design always looked off to me, the new one looks so good. the green eyes are a really nice touch
I am pretty set on most of these designs, but I wish that Cole kept that scar or we could get a modern minifgure with his earth-powered form. That being said Nya is by far the best improvement imo. They fact that she now has a more defined and personalized face allows for LEGO to give her more personalized facial expressions. LEGO used to use old city faces for Nya around 2015-2016, wich I personally didn’t find great. Now that prob can’t happen again due to Nya having a more defined face.
Yeah, it sucked getting those generic faces under her mask
I agree
You don't need to completely wreck the designs of the other characters to start re-using the 2012 era nya head
Lloyd's old design from season 2-7 mainly looked like that cuz it was supposed to be an 'older' version of young lloyd. Hence the childish face print and the basic hairpiece. That's why i loved the season 8 redesign for him cuz it was his proper transition into a grown up, to fit with the rest of the ninja.
i love every one of the redesigns, they also changed some personality traits to some of the ninja wich i mostly enjoy, except kai's personality change, he went from a leader/serious/cocky guy to just a joke, in the newer seasons he kinda just acts like a side character instead of a main one, at least in crystalized he got a bit more serious
Kai has always been the butt of alot of jokes though. "Leader" S5 even spends multiple of its episodes trying to tell the audience that Kai is not cut out for leadership
I think kai is more of the motivation/never give up guy
I wish they didn’t butcher Kai this way, he’s a complete joke in the post movie seasons
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@@Crusty783 but yet kai still got the most focus of the 4 ninja that season. Kai basically was the main character until season 8. He’s still awesome and certainly feels the same, but he’s been sidelined drastically
I was mad at first, but then I realised how it actually turned out to be a good thing. The fact that Lloyd was getting older, the battle scars some of the ninja had, it shows they've changed and grown with time. Lloyd's voice change I think was a good decision too, showing how he's growing up. They could be more creative now, with his relationships, emotions, a d even a more complex personality.
If they never changed Lloyds voice actor in Sons of Garmadon I don't think some scenes would be as emotional or impactful, like imagine og Lloyd repeating "The resistance never quits"
I do Like to call Them the "Modern Ninja" While The Pre-movie Ones Are "Classic Ninja"!
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Never mess with the classics
Nya: New is better
Lloyd: New is WAY better
Cole: Equally good
Jay: Fine, but bring back the eyebrow notch
Zane: Equally good
Kai: Mixed on his. I associate the new design with his character from S8 onward (which I don't like) so it's never grown on me. I actually like the old hair cuz it reminds me of an anime character. I do like how the new one has a scar though.
SOG and hunted is what actually saved this show considering the redesigns has such a backlash but because this show is a fan favourite, it’s still going strong today. EDIT: the redesigns are a controversial topic, but I love them I think there so much better, but the og’s are always nostalgic
I think the reason Kai's hair model looks weird is that its not based on an actual Lego model. Also I don't mind the scar disappearing, it makes sense given how scars fade over time
but dissappearing entirely? idk, i dont buy it.
@@Crusty783 Yeah, I do wish it was just barely noticable
@@Crusty783 was it ever confirmed to be a permanent scar? Maybe it was more of just a scratch, that healed naturally over a year. He got it at the end of DOTD and had it in s7, but they were only like days at max apart so it'd make sense that the scar was still there.
@@skylandersfan6954 it doesn't help that Tommy implied it would have plot relevance after DOTD
@@Crusty783 I guess they had plans for it to be significant in Hands of Time but scrapped them for whatever reason
The personality traits for the ninja has changed ever since they got their new designs. Kai used to be serious, a well thought out leader and he was cocky, but now it’s taken to a whole nother level. Jay seems to be more immature. Cole’s more laidback and they seemed to have brought back his leader personality in Season 13. Nya’s more hot headed like her brother. She was angry in Season 5 and 6, but sometimes she gets angry when she’s annoyed. I think Zane’s voice got deeper. Lloyd with his new voice is very fitting since he was voiced by a male in the movie and recently, he always lashes out when he’s angry
"A well thought out leader"
When he lead the team in S5, he:
-spent a full day leading the ninja in the wrong direction, despite having a map
-haggled with ronin in order to pay more for the scroll of airjitzu
Kai has always been an idiot
@Crusty783 has he been an idiot sometimes? Yes.
Has his character drastically changed in the opposite direction and for the worse? YES.
Since you use season 5 for comparison, I have an example if his character change for you.
In season 5, it is pushed heavily that Kai views Lloyd as a little brother. Kai is willing to risk drowning to save Lloyd. Kai puts himself at risk multiple times when facing Morrow to save Lloyd. In season 8, Kai throws a hissy fit when it comes to giving up their power to save Lloyd.
Kai's character has been completely changed in the new seasons, and he hasn't always been an idiot. He has had his idiotic moments, but as seen in s4, he is not a complete idiot.
@@savagemongoose1182yes agree!!!
My main issue is with Kai. His face looks strange with his bandage and mouth. And the newx Kai hairpiece is garbage, it’s way too tall and makes Kai vehicles difficult to design. The old one is ICONIC and stays on the minifigure really well (also yeh I always have a strand of hair sticking up on my head, don’t know why)
if they put the hairpiece used in the show in the sets, vehicles wouldn't be as much of an issue.
@@Crusty783 Yeah. I’m hoping for the upcoming soft reboot to redesign the redesigns, and fix some of the issues that the original redesigns created
Same
@Learn-Create-Explore! I just wish that we had a Lego piece for the shortened hair
Like many people I was peeved at the redesigns at first as well but I quickly grew used to them. My bigger concern was that they'd all end up with VA changes like Lloyd did in order to more closely mimic the movie (not the actual movie actors, obviously, but sound alikes) but that didn't happen so yay.
Jay does mildly annoy me for the sole reason that while the others look similar enough that they can be justified by time passing he looks just different enough that it's kind of hard to justify.
I do like that show Kai finally has his scar and Cole being sleeveless makes so much sense to me in hindsight.
I 100% agree with everything you said. Lloyd’s new voice does make sense though as I couldn’t imagine Lloyd’s older voice actor with the new character design
I have a theory to kinda work worth Jay’s new design (not really good, but it could work if you made it)
In season 4, there’s a brief mention of his wearing concealer, which was meant to be a “guy wears makeup” joke but we could take it as “Jay hides his freckles”
His old hair design was pretty short, so he could just have natural curls
And on a lot of the mini figures for him, his eyebrows are his original ginger colour, which could imply that he dyes his hair brown
(I miss the eyebrow notch though, give it back)l
The old designs biggest problems was that they could have their face put on any other minifig and no one would bat an eye. But the current designs just feel like proper character designs that are uniquely distinct.
In retrospect, the designs change was overhated and it was a good decision. If you look back, the old animation served its time.
I started laughing when you talked about Kai's old hair, and when you started talking about why it looks stupid, I don't hate Kai's old hair, love both new and old, the new hair is pretty neat I guess :)
The old hair is much better
@@silentghost751i agree both sometimes give me a mixed version of kai hair xd
@@maximleijh7239what do you mean?
@@silentghost751 nah fr Kai's old hair was sick and unique, made him look like an Anime character
@@whatdoyoumeanbro4964was literally it’s own Lego piece made of rubber
Personally I like every single redesign more than before
All of the Ninjago redesigns are better than the original. Especially the wildbrain ones, love that they brought zane's and jay's original hair colours back
No old is best
@@lloydgarmadon3887 why exactly are the old designs better?
@@edz5765 the old designs all use existing pieces, jay's hair has been used on 100+ minifigs, you can just grab most of thair hair and head and put it on a random civilian and also no non ninjago fans would know where the pieces are from
Wait, really? I mean, I have LEGO Jay's current hairpiece in the orange/red hair colour, but as I'm aware, the show hasn't used it. But I remember seeing Zane with his new hair in blonde
@@felipevaldes3487 jay had light brown hair/dark ginger in the show before s8, they changed it back in s11
I personally don't mind these designs as much as I used to, but I still have a few criticisms with them:
-Jay's design is so much of a stretch from the original, that it almost changes his personality. I just think he's way less expressive than he used to be, as well as him now looking like a really shy kid rather than the loud jokester he is.
- The removal of the iconic eyebrows really caused a problem with the show's iconic nature, as each ninja was distinguishable through just their eyebrows, but now I probably couldn't tell you which was which if I were given the same test.
While I don't think they're perfect, they're definitely an upgrade compared to the previous, especially jay and nya. I think it's really obvious that the designers were trying to differentiate the main cast as much as possible, I think it's perfect because now just by looking at a headpiece with no hair we can all tell which is which ninja at a first glance. giving nya a mole was probably the best way to differentiate her in a low-key way. Giving jay freckles is probably the most character-accurate detail they could have given him, I feel like it fits his personality PERFECTLY.
I pretty much agree with all your opinions. All the redesigns are upgraded imo. One thing I hate is people dropped the show because Jay has freckles. When that SoG clip first came out, the only thing I cared about was the Ninja were recognizable through their actions. As long as they were the same character, I wouldn’t really care about the redesigns. Also damn it’s been 5 years
LEGO should switch the Hairpiece's colour to ginger again (they could explain that Jay is just dying it).
During my baby-toddler years, I was almost blonde, but as time went by, my hair became darker. So I get Jay's change could be natural
Also, that hairpiece already exists in that colour, I've two of them.
@@felipevaldes3487 same I had really blonde hair too but now it’s a little darker
@@Samurai_540
Yeah right? Finally someone gets it!
Something that people seem to forget is that the original designs are very old and needed updated anyway
Never
I don't mind most of the redesigns exept for Jays, he looks like a compelitly different person
The og designs worked and served their purpose and the newer ones are certainly an upgrade, just wish Jay and Nya looked more accurate to their past designs as I can’t tell they’re the same characters if i didnt know
But aside from that I’m satisfied with the changes
I think for the transition between designs they could’ve introduced them when kai and nya returned through the time portal in season 7. this would help prove cole’s argument in ep 75 on how wu’s trip could’ve changed their designs.
I agree with what you said. I also think that they should’ve put jays eye brow slit, i think was very unique to his character because no one else in the show had it. One thing you didn’t mention was garmadons redesign. I think Garmadon looks much better than he did in season 1-2 and looks cooler with the purple on him. But besides that the video was great :) (I also laughed so hard when you talked about Kai’s old hair. That made my day lol)
@Learn-Create-Explore! How
Never disrespect Kai's original hair!
@@silentghost751 Kai’s original hair was cool lol
@Learn-Create-Explore! Yeah. I just think the eye brow split looked cool lol
@Learn-Create-Explore! Yeah! I wish there was like a concept just so we could see it. I think it would look cool
I never really had a problem with the redesigns, but it was still something that I had to adjust too and I still don’t know which designs I prefer because in one hand Lloyd and Nya looked much better with the redesigns but Kai, zane, Cole and jay looked better with the original designs
I remember being really upset about this at first as well. I kept hoping it was fake and that they would reveal that it was all some big hoax. (I wasn't really that involved in social media at the time. I was very depressed when I saw the sets and knew that the designs were definitely changing. What was worse was that with Lloyd being the only one shown in the trailer, I thought they were changing all the character's voices as well. I definitely felt more relieved when I realized they just changed Lloyd's voice to make him sound older. Jumping to today, I have no problem with the current designs. The only thing I really miss is Jay's split eyebrow.
I think I prefer Kais older mouth
I dunno there's something about his goofy lopsided smile and frown I like
Also with his new mouth are those wrinkles or dimples or what? Like I genuinely don't know what it's supposed to be
Yeah that's what I thought too
And to this day, people still call seasons 8-10 one of the worst pieces of ninjago media simply because they are butthurt that Kai got actually decently good-looking hair.
fsr this video encouraged me to rewatch the show thx man its been a while and im looking forward to it
my least favourite part of the redesigns was the fact that they got rid of coles ghost scar
yeah i agree that was stupid. its atleast there whenever he activates his lava arms though, which is nice.
This makes me feel like the only person in the community who never had a problem with the redesigns. I always liked them well enough. I didn't hate them or super love them either, but I thought they were generally an improvement and nothing to moan and cry about. Literally every other show ever, live action or animation, has character designs change. It's called being a living human being. Do YOU keep your hairstyle the same for your entire fcking life?! The redesigns don't bother me. What makes me ANGRY is how upset people got over something so trivial. GET OVER YOURSELVES! As I said, people change their hair.
Same honestly.
Watching everyone go berserk and even drop the show over this was tiring.
I find it funny that Lloyd’s S8-Present design has green eyes
Before then, I always imagined Lloyd with blue eyes
based oppions
I hated the changes at first, but I recently watched the whole series again.. Honestly? The old designs look kind of.. Naked? Empty?
Anyway, they really help to make the characters look more unique. They're honestly way better, and I think people that disagree are blinded by nostalgia.
In my opinion bringing the movie designs was a great idea cuz now it shows that they’re growing older and they’re not teenagers anymore they’re adults now.
I'm just happy that they left my boy skales looking fresh 🔥
Skales will always be the GOAT
Skales tho 🥵🥵🥶🥶
Great video, I can't believe it's been 5 years since the redesigns
I feel like it would have been better if they used a mix of old and new designs like keep Jay eyebrow slash but change the hair that way it makes sense that they are getting older there , Lloyd eyebrows color did not really need to be changed but I like the green eyes but I really feel making old and new wouldn't really be bad
I know I'm two years late, but; I've ALWAYS been a fan of the movie designs, and I'm glad they used those designs (albeit with some tweaks that fit the show better) in Season 8 and onwards.
The people who think that season 7 was the last good ninjago season genuinely confuse me. Most of the people who say that in my experience haven't even seen anything past that or maybe they've seen one or two episodes. I really don't understand why people would think that new design = bad. Not to mention season 7 isn't anything special as is
@Learn-Create-Explore! Improved? The new formula is bad. Why shorten the episode length?
Never understood why people hated these so much, have liked them ever since they were revealed really
Tbh, changing Zane and Lloyd’s design is what kinda saved the show for me. Ever since season four, I’ve always thought that Zane’s titanium design looked weird as heck (like, I don’t need to see the other side of the screen whenever I look at his face, tyvm), and although I had less problems with Lloyd’s design, his face feels weirdly…small? (It’s also generic as crap)
I was concerned at first, but Sons Of Garmadon and Hunted basically told me that these are the same Ninja we know and love, despite how different they look.
eh, I think they're a lot better than their old models, since they were litterally just re-using peices from other models. but with these, the characters actually feel a lot more unique, and fits their personalities quite well. although, the only one I really don't like, is the decision to change Jay's hair colour, since it doesn't really make sense on how red hair can just turn into auburn, but they luckily fixed it later with s16 p1 upwards by making his hair lighter. I think the reason why Cole's scar dissapeared after s7, is going to be explained in WOTD since it is during that time.
though Nya's new hair peice...eh, its not that its bad, but the pony tail look has been used and re-used for so many female characters, that it often becomes confusing. it didn't exactuly help tell Pixal and her apart, when she had Pixals markings and hair in the seabound finale.
What is wotd
@@Samurai_540 Way of the Departed, which is a book that Tommy Andreason is writing.
Garmadon's redesign is so good.
For real man got a MASSIVE upgrade
Yo i found someone who doesnt have nostalgia glasses on and sees the benefits of the new designs
I became a fan of Ninjago in May 2017 and I just cant believe that its been 5 years already
I used to hate them but when I watched the seasons with them they grew on me and I like them a lot more now
The previous kai hair roast is the best thing I’ve heard from Crusty 💀💀 well done
crazy how none of them has facial hair in my opinion lloyd had a glow up tbh i liked kai's original look and jays, zane looks the same cole his og design is way better
they could just be shaving to be fair
lloyd has a beard now in dragons rising! you just need to be really close to see it...
Bro there isn’t anything wrong about new Lloyd because he grew up
I would've combined the movie designs with the old ones, like how Zane has his old face with new hair, but for Lloyd, I would actually use the face that he had when Morro possessed him but before it turned green because that was actually a different face to his un possessed one, his eye brows were bigger making him look older and I think his eyes and mouth were also a bit different but would use that face with his new hair
Agreed! Just Kai’s hair….. I like his old hair.
An explanation would helped to underdtand what would happened after S7. All the new desings are such an upgrade, and they finally have their own siluettes, and pieces. Like, in other Lego lines you can call the "Lloyd's hair piece" as the others
Nice to know i'm not the only one who prefers Kai's movie design
i dont really know what to think of the re designs yet, Im currently re watching the whole show and when I was young I never got past hands of time. Partally because of the re design, I watched like 2 episodes sons of gramadon and then quit. I just couldnt get over the new look and it took away so much enjoyment of the show from me, but Im exited to see how I feel about them when Ill see them again soon
I love all these designs ngl big glow up from all the old designs
Damn yes llyod really had an improvement!! His voice fits so well and the new look looks so much better!
When we first saw the new designs I hated them. Now though, I actually like all of them way better. I also like that they still incorporate the old designs in flashbacks.
Reminds me of the time I talked to some guy on discord telling me that he stopped watching ninjago thinking that the lego ninjago movie was canon to the show prolly cos of the new designs.
8:40 I know I'm late, but that's because it WAS a baby face; this franchise has a lot of discrepancies between the show's character models and the actual lego minifigures (for example, Jay's new minifigure face is completely different to his old one yet in the show it looks nearly identical if you were to add a notch to his eyebrow). The minifigure versions of Lloyd have noticably different face prints for kid Lloyd and adult Lloyd, yet the show never actually updated to the latter and just used the kid face until the movie came out.
Lloyd changing so so jarring, not only did he get a design change, but also a different VA. He seems like a completely different character
Agree, and his new voice sounds younger and less mature to me
I know am late but lloyd is just getting older get used to it
3:15 I thought you were gonna say it's unsettling like many think, lmao. It does look pretty good, especially in S15
For S1-7 Lloyd, I wish they gave him the updated minifig head used from Rebooted onwards. It fixes the weird smirk and tiny eyebrows, and looks like he's grown more. Instead of just being the young face, for 7 seasons...
8:39 To be fair, his child and adult selves have the exact same face, so it quite literally is a child’s face slapped onto an adult body.😅
I think there is an aspect of the redesigns where they're better simply because they're newer. The animations have a higher budget, they probably put more time into them than the original designs. I don't think there would be any doubts that they're better if it wasn't for nostalgia
I like the new coke design but I prefer the old hair sonic they kept the old hair with the new head body and legs it would be PERFECT
This is great!
Wrong opinion on the Kai hair lol.
Though the new design is... tolerable, it is still far too over the top and long to conceivably fit inside his hood, which was much less of a problem with the old designs come to think of it. The old design fits his character (courageous, not cocky) much better.
It also doesn't help that Kai has not had a decent arc since the redesigns.
I don't see how having a stupid haircut makes you look "courageous" tbh
I agree! That's why I like the old one better ;)
In all seriousness, you are, of course, entitled to your own opinions. I just know that every in-person fan I have talked to prefers the old Kai hair, feeling that the new one is (even in the show) too over-the-top and crazy.
Personally I would have preferred meeting in the middle between movie and show designs. My big problem with the newer designs isn't necessarily the designs themselves, but that they looked SO much better in the movie. Even what, 8 seasons later I feel like they still have that uncanny valley effect. At least to me personally. I do have a few gripes with some of them (like how Zane's face feels a lot cheaper due to shading, and how it isn't as 'reflective,') but overall I think they're an improvement. I just feel like they were misplaced for the most part
For me I still feel the same with the new design. Zane, Cole, Lloyd and Nya look better than the original but Kai and Jay look awful and I prefer their original version.
I remember watching Cartoon Network a few years ago (I thought ninjago ended at season 6 bc they only had it till then on Netflix) I was surprised it was still running but I was SOOOOOOOOOOO confused and also very happy coz they changed Nya's design, I cannot describe how much I hated it ( -not only that but I also used to have huuuuuuuuge crush on Jay when I was 7 so that made my hatred for Nya worse- ) But I did get used to it eventually. I was also confused that the voces were the same as the classic ninjas but I'm honestly really glad about that too (no offence to the movie cast)
In the Netherlands the voices are not all the same (like Lloyd’s voice and some others)
@@Samurai_540 ok. I watch the American version even tho I don't live in America
I like Cole, Lloyd, Zane, and Nya better with the redesign.
Kai and Jay look just as good as their originals.
I Especially like Lloyd's redesign, he looks so much better and older.
Season 7 was a Stupid season, Season 8, 9, and 10 were all better.
i agree with everything you said
Actually Cole and Jay have "explained" in a certain way, why they could have changed their look when they were talking about time traveling in that temple.
That scene is just a meta joke. Tommy Andreasen confirmed it didn't mean anything a few years back
@@Crusty783 Ok.
it shows that the ninjas are aging up and are not gonna look the same forever
It's 22 July today, after 3 days it'll officially be 7 years since The ninjago design change, time went fast 😅
i got so mad about the redesigns but i got use to it around MOTO
TO be honest, Zane and Kai's old designs were better but I don't wanna birng old designs back. biggest problem of the ninjas is personalities. they have changed their personalities after season 8 and I hate this.
Kai's old hair was better
agree
strongly disagree but respect your opinion
Yess king u rock senpai. Love you boss man.
I still can’t believe that was five years ago
The sole reason I still don't see these redesigns as in any way canonical appearances of the ninja is that they just don't make sense - haphazard time travel pondering from "The Mask of Deception" falls apart the moment you breathe its way. However much of an improvement the redesigns may be, you can't just change innate characteristics of a character, let alone the entire main cast, on a whim and pretend like nothing happened. Suspension of disbelieve, anyone? And it's not like Lego couldn't have done the changes reasonably by stopping at changing the human ninja's hairstyles. Even if they somewhat rearranged Lloyd's face - something they did for the minifigure back in 2014 for that matter - and gave him green eyes as part of a story, I would've had nothing substantial to say against it.
i still like the old designs more
I like Lloyd new look the made him look older
Even though I was a bit hesitant at first, I instantly grew to love their new looks!
How? I can't bring myself to
@@silentghost751 I just grew to love them as much as the old designs. 🤷🏼♀️
@@miraculousninja5255 I like Lloyd, Zane, and Nya's hair, but all the other characters got downgraded
@@silentghost751 I have to agree with that.
@@silentghost751 well jay's new design only problem with me is that he is more like a teenager even tho he acts like it sometimes and I don't feel any difference with others than they look more like what their personality says about them.
i sometimes think what the evil ninja from season 2 episode 3 would look like in the new timeline with the changes
Am I the only one who likes the movie?
i like it too! it's a solid movie.
A new video yay
I like season 8 Lloyd voice and design more than pre season 8 Lloyd’s, I’m glad they redesigned Lloyd in season 8, same thing with the redesign with Kai, Cole, and Nya. Jays and Zane’s I like just slightly more then pre season 8
Jays new one makes him look like he’s two years old
I like the old design and new
I ADORE Jay's new look
I'm not a big fan of Coles tired eyes and i'm happy they get rid of those. And Kais Bandage was a weird idea but overall the redesigns are SO MUCH better
you forgot one thing about kai! He has *dimples*. Its a very small detail but I love how it gives him so much more personality :>