kkkkk3157 Some people are pure faire evaders, others can make a first time mistake when in hurry, forgeting cash or wallet at home.Yes people shouldn't do that, on the other side TTC is the most expensive transport system on earth, in the entire world. With the rudest service in Canada, you don't always find patient bus driver.
DisinfoHasbuiltAnarmyofidiots era of ignorance Expensive transport system on earth? You're a bit over exaggerating there... Look at GO transit, it charges per distance. Even I don't think that GO is "the most expensive transport system on earth"...
i was once in a financially bad spot and i really didn't have 3.25 for bus fare. I had to jump over the presto gates if i had the money i wouldve paid for sure
With that attitude we'd be justified in stealing anything if we just didn't have the money. If you have to go somewhere you can't just show up and say, oh, I don't have fare, i'll just jump the gate or jump out of the car from an uber driver.
On the new cars, if you don't have a presto card, at rush hour we are forced to get on where we can due to crowding so if you get shuffled to any door but the front, you can't pay the fare if you tried.
You know that if you don't have a presto card you queue up in the area that would line you up with the front door. Early arrival assures you a spot near the front door opening. Plan ahead. You may have to wait for a second train. Prepurchasing your farecard prevents a lot of headaches.
Whoa! I'm American, but in my state at least, transit agencies receive a share of the fine revenue. What's the point of fining offenders if it doesn't help recover lost revenue for the transit agency.
it's all bs they go to court most of them cry cause they don't have money they're on welfare a lot of them claim they don't speak English I have seen it all besides most of the fare evaders don't carry ID so how are you going to fine them ?? it's just a way to scare people this is why media is involved I personally think it's too late; the honor system will never work for toronto NEEEEEVUUUUUUR
Thats ridiculous. Its almost sometimes impossible to pay on the spadina streetcar because of how packed it is and lack of access to those remote paying stations. Poor design and poor everything by ttc.
The problem is the street cars are design in a way that people would automatically believe they can get away with not paying, I was inspected only about 3 or 4 times in the past 5 years (I never cheated), so imagine how easy you can get away with not paying
The TTC needs to bring back debit/credit methods of payment at their streetcar stops and in the cars themselves. Why would they get rid of them? I got the $235 ticket because I forgot my presto and counted on paying at the station (it was late and cold and you know the wait times for streetcars), I don't evade fares and labelling everyone who gets nailed by the ttc's narrow rules a offender is not in the public's interest. The inspector did not provide a warning for my first offence.
2% Fare Evaders. The TTC is screwing over it's riders, not those 2%.This is another pathetic attempt by the TTC, despite recently getting over $3 Billion.
1:00 - I wouldn't. If you don't pay your fare, you are a thief. It is no different from sneaking into a movie theater or leaving without paying your bill at a restaurant.
@g mal12 There is a NEW TTC STREETCAR?? Where does all our tax money go to? Why does it seem like we get a new transit bus or streetcar every year? I saw three different bus designs within 5 years. .
The issue here, is that fare evaders do not have to provide their ID to these Inspectors. They are not under arrest and are free to walk away. That needs changing
@@CanadianTimeLord oh ok. So around about right then. In the UK, let’s use London Trams as an example... the fare is £1.50 for either a single journey or multiple journeys within 1 hour but the fine is £80, which is reduced to £40 if you pay within 7 days (I believe).
For real 10 cents more get ttc together ttc bus/streetcar never on time train cause problems get your ttc Better befor any another cost Because TTC ain't Running anybetter
The TTC 2019 Fare Evasion Study says they lost 60.7 million to fare evasion. In 2019 they also had a budget of $2.1 billion. Under 3% hit and people gain access to the city. low it
Playing devils advocate: there’s getting to be fees for everything and people are sick of it. Feeling robbed. Especially when it doesn’t seem to come back to the people
I would install turnstiles in every bus and streetcar stop possible. The current fare inspectors would get their jobs changed to something else in the TTC
Blackjack115 nope! Fares go up due to increased salaries and benefits for the employees. If you want to see a reduction in fares we need less employees and that’s where automation is coming into play. Most drivers look so bored yet could be replaced. You cod have the driver do fare inspection and drive if the computer breaks.
Really? What about public housiing? Public Highways? Food, Higher Education, Top of the line automobiles, vacations, and so forth? Who is going to pay for this?
It's all a scare tactic. They are made to look intimidating but just imagine them on wheelchair asking for your proof of fare. They CANNOT chase after you even if they wanted to.
Bogus , Fare Inspectors , just another high paying position , that we have to pay for .The TTC Special Constables should be doing this job , I have a friend that is a TTC Special Constable , they do not do anything and are so lazy , he even brags about it . He claims it is beneath them to check fares .
easest job has to be those who just sit in the booth by the subway to make sure you pay your fare. some times they don't even say anything when you evade it as well
Those fare evaders are the reason for the hike. TTC shouldn’t be free. Drivers are not free. Pay your fare. I made a mistake for not paying attention and got on the bus that didn’t have a presto tap and got slapped with a fine. Thankfully, I paid the fine.
all the reason for TTC fares to come out directly from your Provincial taxes, this will eliminate the need for point of entrance purchase, this will also eliminate a lot of security issues.
My bro a bus driver gotta deal with these scumbags. Some people think they should get a free ride on the backs of regular taxpayers and law abiding people. Sad that the world is this way. Probably why buses are called " Loser Cruiser"
TTC fare inspectors are wannabe cops on a power trip. Any idiot can go up and down a streetcar to check for correct fares. But have them at that Spadina Streetcar Bay and dealing with irate commuters who actually feel like they didn't do anything wrong, suddenly they become frazzled and devoid of any social or customer service skills.
Under cover inspectors with uniform officers placed every few stops apart. Blitz and bust. After a couple years i am sure there will be a noticeable surplus in revenue.
Okay, I have a question. Does the TTC inspector has the same authority as police does? How much can they do? If someone busts me for not paying, I'm NOT giving out my data. I'm not handing them my Presto card either. Do they have the authority to take me to the police station and force me to give out my information? What can they do and how far does their authority stretch? Also, if someone made no attempt to pay the fair, HOW can they prove he wasn't searching for his valet the entire time, or that he was planning to pay for the ride as he was still on the streetcar? I feel like it's not that difficult to dispute the fine in a lot of cases. Just for the record: I always pay for the fare.
I work for the ttc and feel sorry for the honest people who pay the right far, because almost 70% in not paying their full fare, using expire transfer, paying student or senior fare or now with under 12 years free ride we see people up to 18 years old abusing the system , and ttc is not serious about collecting the fare, and we the operator not allowed to enforce the fare, when ttc need money they raise the far or the city increase property or gas tax
I don't really care it's expensive and crummy I actually did the math and it's the same as driving a car in terma of price so what's the point of gettting on crowded public transit with crazy people everywhere
The old system was the best. You get on at the front door and off at the rear and you pay at the front. Have your fare ready or wait for the next bus. Nonsense this tap on your own honor system in the back. Really? Like, does loblaws let you pay if you feel like it? or a car dealership... pick up the keys and drive off without checking if you paid, or get the keys to a new house before your cheque clears? NO
The new TTC streetcar has a design flaw, before the driver monitors who is paying and who is not, now you can enter the vehicle from all doors, it’s fully depending on people’s moral to pay or not to pay, you can never depend of people’s morals. Hiring these fare inspectors uses our tax money. TTC loses money because of these fare invaders, so they will keep rising the price of the fare every year. It is a vicious cycle.
Most fare evaders are crackheads, homeless, mentally ill people without money. This video doesn't show you any because the Inspector usually let them go, they just walk-through
Not really. Get on the Spadina streetcar and wait in the train for everyone to get off. If there are inspectors at the station, you'll usually see a bunch of people stay back and make a beeline to the ticket machine. They're all sorts of people, including people who look well off. Rip off artists isn't something limited by social class.
Transit thieves...do they also sneak into a movie theater? The fine is a real kick in the gut $235-400---you're better off buying a ticket. San Francisco is $125. The fine should be $500 to get people to pay their fair share of the FARE
Increasing fines will definitely put a curb to fare evasion. If you had to pay a $1000 fine every time you were caught fare evading, do you really think you'd take the chance? What about if it was $10,000?
Now if only that same provincial fine of $260 could be issued by cops to menacing cyclists riding without helmets on roads and bike lanes. They create more trouble than fare evaders who unethically but safely ride public transit.
No it gives unwarranted stress to drivers because we could accidentally brush them when driving or changing lanes. Door them when we park and they hit the pavement and get severely injured or die we see our insurance spike or worse get our names broadcast on the news like we committed manslaughter before our trial. Consider the Michael Bryant case.
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Some people are pure faire evaders, others can make a first time mistake when in hurry, forgeting cash or wallet at home.Yes people shouldn't do that, on the other side TTC is the most expensive transport system on earth, in the entire world. With the rudest service in Canada, you don't always find patient bus driver.
DisinfoHasbuiltAnarmyofidiots era of ignorance
Expensive transport system on earth? You're a bit over exaggerating there... Look at GO transit, it charges per distance. Even I don't think that GO is "the most expensive transport system on earth"...
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That broadcast was made July 30th on Global TV and focused on the yonge eglinton entrance.
i was once in a financially bad spot and i really didn't have 3.25 for bus fare. I had to jump over the presto gates if i had the money i wouldve paid for sure
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With that attitude we'd be justified in stealing anything if we just didn't have the money. If you have to go somewhere you can't just show up and say, oh, I don't have fare, i'll just jump the gate or jump out of the car from an uber driver.
@@davidobrien3897transit is a public service. There are more important things than fining people for god forbid going home or going to work
On the new cars, if you don't have a presto card, at rush hour we are forced to get on where we can due to crowding so if you get shuffled to any door but the front, you can't pay the fare if you tried.
You know that if you don't have a presto card you queue up in the area that would line you up with the front door. Early arrival assures you a spot near the front door opening. Plan ahead. You may have to wait for a second train. Prepurchasing your farecard prevents a lot of headaches.
Not our job to have a headache about paying, if the TTC truly cares then they should design it where you can't fare evade.
Wait, why is ttc paying for fare inspectors? Shouldn't that be the province considering the fines paid are going there.
TTC has commissioned peace officers that work in a police capacity for TTC. They are like municipal police or park rangers but for the TTC.
Why isnt Presto paying for inspectors?? Better yet: why is Presto even involved in our ttc????
Whoa! I'm American, but in my state at least, transit agencies receive a share of the fine revenue. What's the point of fining offenders if it doesn't help recover lost revenue for the transit agency.
Transit is paid partially by city
it's all bs they go to court most of them cry cause they don't have money they're on welfare a lot of them claim they don't speak English I have seen it all
besides most of the fare evaders don't carry ID so how are you going to fine them ?? it's just a way to scare people this is why media is involved
I personally think it's too late; the honor system will never work for toronto NEEEEEVUUUUUUR
Thats ridiculous. Its almost sometimes impossible to pay on the spadina streetcar because of how packed it is and lack of access to those remote paying stations. Poor design and poor everything by ttc.
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@@jessekimxx Struck a nerve
Last year I was going home from a date and completely forgot to pay! Sorry, had a few drinks but I swear I tapped my Presto on my way out lol
The problem is the street cars are design in a way that people would automatically believe they can get away with not paying, I was inspected only about 3 or 4 times in the past 5 years (I never cheated), so imagine how easy you can get away with not paying
The TTC needs to bring back debit/credit methods of payment at their streetcar stops and in the cars themselves. Why would they get rid of them? I got the $235 ticket because I forgot my presto and counted on paying at the station (it was late and cold and you know the wait times for streetcars), I don't evade fares and labelling everyone who gets nailed by the ttc's narrow rules a offender is not in the public's interest. The inspector did not provide a warning for my first offence.
You should have reported him or her.
2% Fare Evaders. The TTC is screwing over it's riders, not those 2%.This is another pathetic attempt by the TTC, despite recently getting over $3 Billion.
the percentage rose to 5.4 percent..
So, with this logic if there is government waste, it is ok to steal ?
How do transit systems determine how much they're losing?
They probably count the number of people passing through the subway fare gate.
In my opinion, $3.25 is expensive. I'd prefer $2
Still think it's too expensive for what you get compared to other countries around the world.
i hate the flat fare as well. you pay the same amount whether you're going one block, or across the city
you can go live in another country
1:00 - I wouldn't. If you don't pay your fare, you are a thief. It is no different from sneaking into a movie theater or leaving without paying your bill at a restaurant.
the presto card is the worse system ever....Metropass, tokens/tickets were working fine!
Yep. Huge waste of a probably 100m dollars.
@g mal12 There is a NEW TTC STREETCAR?? Where does all our tax money go to? Why does it seem like we get a new transit bus or streetcar every year? I saw three different bus designs within 5 years. .
The issue here, is that fare evaders do not have to provide their ID to these Inspectors. They are not under arrest and are free to walk away. That needs changing
$3.25 seems a bit steep, in the UK trams mostly charge about £2
At this moment, $3.25 Canadian is £1.92
@@CanadianTimeLord oh ok. So around about right then. In the UK, let’s use London Trams as an example... the fare is £1.50 for either a single journey or multiple journeys within 1 hour but the fine is £80, which is reduced to £40 if you pay within 7 days (I believe).
I don't understand why the fine money doesn't go to the TTC?
We live in a world of greed
For real 10 cents more get ttc together ttc bus/streetcar never on time train cause problems get your ttc Better befor any another cost Because TTC ain't Running anybetter
Why does the ttc bother fining them if they aren’t guaranteed a cut.
Naturally, people need a bit of fear to act more obedient.
Don,t feel guilty.
Where’s TTC fare inspectors @Humber loop and lake shore location?Many peoples rides free every day
The TTC 2019 Fare Evasion Study says they lost 60.7 million to fare evasion. In 2019 they also had a budget of $2.1 billion. Under 3% hit and people gain access to the city. low it
We’ll people should pay the consequence for their actions.
Bro gets nervous over inspectors💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Playing devils advocate: there’s getting to be fees for everything and people are sick of it. Feeling robbed. Especially when it doesn’t seem to come back to the people
Huh? A fine isn't a fee. If you pay your fare, you don't get fined. Simple.
I would install turnstiles in every bus and streetcar stop possible. The current fare inspectors would get their jobs changed to something else in the TTC
Sweet Lime How?
QuarioQuario54321 time wasted for everyone to get thru plus cost and everntually wear and tear from this all
Do you want fares to go up? Because that's how you get fares to go up.
Blackjack115 nope! Fares go up due to increased salaries and benefits for the employees. If you want to see a reduction in fares we need less employees and that’s where automation is coming into play. Most drivers look so bored yet could be replaced. You cod have the driver do fare inspection and drive if the computer breaks.
TTC has to employ the inspectors but the fine revenue goes to the city council? There is a bad culture going on in Toronto.
It would be more incentive to catch out more fare evading bludgers if the TTC kept the profits.
Public transportation should be for free
Really? What about public housiing? Public Highways? Food, Higher Education, Top of the line automobiles, vacations, and so forth? Who is going to pay for this?
TTC should have been aware on dumping this type of streetcars.
Stop yelling
All public transit should be free.
@bman Your taxes.
They need to ride the harbourfront and king street car s more .
It's all a scare tactic. They are made to look intimidating but just imagine them on wheelchair asking for your proof of fare. They CANNOT chase after you even if they wanted to.
Bogus , Fare Inspectors , just another high paying position , that we have to pay for .The TTC Special Constables should be doing this job , I have a friend that is a TTC Special Constable , they do not do anything and are so lazy , he even brags about it . He claims it is beneath them to check fares .
easest job has to be those who just sit in the booth by the subway to make sure you pay your fare. some times they don't even say anything when you evade it as well
I get tickets every week but judge lets me off
Pay your fare to ride public transportation just like everybody else does. No free rides!
AND THE "STIFFERS" THINK, "WHAT DIFFERENCE DO I MAKE IF I DON'T PAY... I'M JUST ONE"???
These streetcars run on an honour system?
Yup
Those fare evaders are the reason for the hike. TTC shouldn’t be free. Drivers are not free. Pay your fare. I made a mistake for not paying attention and got on the bus that didn’t have a presto tap and got slapped with a fine. Thankfully, I paid the fine.
Money pays for their 20 CEOs
Yeah they should do that around Jane bus
They would get stabbed
@@jays5926 And rather hard to evade the fare on a bus.
@@ALuimespeople can just go in the back door and not tap
all the reason for TTC fares to come out directly from your Provincial taxes, this will eliminate the need for point of entrance purchase, this will also eliminate a lot of security issues.
My bro a bus driver gotta deal with these scumbags. Some people think they should get a free ride on the backs of regular taxpayers and law abiding people. Sad that the world is this way. Probably why buses are called " Loser Cruiser"
well to be honest you can just throw in a handful of nickles and still get on with a transfer sooooo
TTC fare inspectors are wannabe cops on a power trip. Any idiot can go up and down a streetcar to check for correct fares. But have them at that Spadina Streetcar Bay and dealing with irate commuters who actually feel like they didn't do anything wrong, suddenly they become frazzled and devoid of any social or customer service skills.
Pay your fare got nothing to worry about sounds pretty simple
Be cursed, and doomed forever.
Seriously this is a problem?
Under cover inspectors with uniform officers placed every few stops apart. Blitz and bust. After a couple years i am sure there will be a noticeable surplus in revenue.
So many people evade fares in buses.
I would like to scrap Taxation all together and they can then charge me 5x the fare if they like. ;-)
Bruh we all know all that all the kids that are over 12 ride for free in the ttc but this lol
Drop the fare and people will most likely pay.
Lie why should kids pay for school hey.. Look me up free for kids
Lol this is a joke. Ttc constables are never there and I constantly commit "fare evasion". Especially streetcars!! Omg
Ttc fare inspectors are not the same as ttc constables.
Mass transit should be free we pay for it with taxes.
TTC should be free for public to use, they can cover the losses by sending less aid to Ukraine
Okay, I have a question. Does the TTC inspector has the same authority as police does? How much can they do? If someone busts me for not paying, I'm NOT giving out my data. I'm not handing them my Presto card either. Do they have the authority to take me to the police station and force me to give out my information? What can they do and how far does their authority stretch? Also, if someone made no attempt to pay the fair, HOW can they prove he wasn't searching for his valet the entire time, or that he was planning to pay for the ride as he was still on the streetcar?
I feel like it's not that difficult to dispute the fine in a lot of cases. Just for the record: I always pay for the fare.
No, BUT they can call TTC Special Constables / Toronto Police Service if you don't cooperate.
I work for the ttc and feel sorry for the honest people who pay the right far, because almost 70% in not paying their full fare, using expire transfer, paying student or senior fare or now with under 12 years free ride we see people up to 18 years old abusing the system , and ttc is not serious about collecting the fare, and we the operator not allowed to enforce the fare, when ttc need money they raise the far or the city increase property or gas tax
Your would be easier to read if it were written in English. Geez!!!
Seriously same, I am in same position as you.
I don't really care it's expensive and crummy I actually did the math and it's the same as driving a car in terma of price so what's the point of gettting on crowded public transit with crazy people everywhere
@@rumplestiltskin7304 And your comment wasn't any easier to read either.
The old system was the best. You get on at the front door and off at the rear and you pay at the front. Have your fare ready or wait for the next bus. Nonsense this tap on your own honor system in the back. Really? Like, does loblaws let you pay if you feel like it? or a car dealership... pick up the keys and drive off without checking if you paid, or get the keys to a new house before your cheque clears? NO
What is the skin color of the main culprits???
white
The new TTC streetcar has a design flaw, before the driver monitors who is paying and who is not, now you can enter the vehicle from all doors, it’s fully depending on people’s moral to pay or not to pay, you can never depend of people’s morals. Hiring these fare inspectors uses our tax money. TTC loses money because of these fare invaders, so they will keep rising the price of the fare every year. It is a vicious cycle.
lol there should be a wall of shame for fare evaders
lol
walk of atonment !!
Most fare evaders are crackheads, homeless, mentally ill people without money. This video doesn't show you any because the Inspector usually let them go, they just walk-through
Disinfohasbuilt
That is not entirely true. I have seen many people with business suit evade paying.
Not really. Get on the Spadina streetcar and wait in the train for everyone to get off. If there are inspectors at the station, you'll usually see a bunch of people stay back and make a beeline to the ticket machine. They're all sorts of people, including people who look well off. Rip off artists isn't something limited by social class.
The people should ride for free
It the worst in New York City!!!!!
Keep on evading the toll taxes pay for all these rides
Honor system?-i thought that was just a sayin-you kidding me?
oh i see this all the time in markham.
Freeva
Transit thieves...do they also sneak into a movie theater? The fine is a real kick in the gut $235-400---you're better off buying a ticket. San Francisco is $125. The fine should be $500 to get people to pay their fair share of the FARE
Increasing fines will definitely put a curb to fare evasion. If you had to pay a $1000 fine every time you were caught fare evading, do you really think you'd take the chance? What about if it was $10,000?
Nobody pays their fines anyway so they are meaningless
Couldn’t you get in legal trouble if you didn’t thoguh.
@@ahurafarahani7751 Can't really track down homeless people though.
@@ALuimes not rlly becuz they are everywhere
I cant believe poeple are using the unfare method of riding the ttc the money that is given to the ttc could be used for elevators,etc.
Humpty and Dumpty
Now if only that same provincial fine of $260 could be issued by cops to menacing cyclists riding without helmets on roads and bike lanes. They create more trouble than fare evaders who unethically but safely ride public transit.
No it gives unwarranted stress to drivers because we could accidentally brush them when driving or changing lanes. Door them when we park and they hit the pavement and get severely injured or die we see our insurance spike or worse get our names broadcast on the news like we committed manslaughter before our trial. Consider the Michael Bryant case.
Why is TT paying far fare inspectors shouldn’t that be the province considering the fines paid are
The province pays for the TTC. It is not a private business.
Check your employees ttc maybe you find the thife
Let the fare inspectors wear plain street clothes and they'll catch more fare evaders for sure. Just sayin...
turn the people against themselves muhahahaha
while we waste money on LRT's, Streetcars, impossible track repairs, and yearly hikes.
Obey the law
how about take it when people get on the f bus.
Anything for a buck..
Opiice stion mum bad mum moyo and the way forward is
The only white collar crime law enforcement is interested in , if your a rich or corporate tax dodger ,, do carry on ,
lol and canada said they are the land of law.
Fare inspectors wow same guys who bully and use personal info to ask a women out .. I love the TTC
go back to the old system you pay then you can ride problem solved