Killmonger's War | Video Essay
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2020
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Tony n Bruce 😍 also waiting for TONY n PETER!!!
@@XykonNoir It's only a matter of time ;)
YES.
Would you consider doing one on Pan's Labyrinth? Also I'm excited for knives out!
I've always been meaning to ask this but what's the name of your opening? I went on a binge of your videos and it's stuck in my head
The scene where a Killmonger became King and entered his apartment in the astral plane was so deep, that it solidified as Marvels best antagonist. His ENTIRE life was based upon the discovery of his murdered father. Guess who else had that exact same story. Daredevil
Anthony O'Carroll but they had completely different and relative circumstances and situations so was already predetermined
I think Kilmonger entering his apartment in the astral plane is to heighten his tragedy as a man cut off from his heritage. Compare to T'Challa's trip to the astral plane, it's a mystical scene of the African savanna populated with the spirits of his father and forefathers, indicating the deep connection to his history and culture. Kilmonger, however, has never known Wakanda; he grew up in America, it's the only life he's ever known. The knowledge he has for his homeland is surface level and he lacks respect or reverence to its customs if they don't directly benefit him, as demonstrated when he ordered the sacred Heart-Shaped Herb gardens to be burned, ending the line of succession in the Black Panther. The scene feels like a symbolic representation to the biggest criticisms of people who support en masse deportation of immigrants born and raised in the US; even if you did it, you're essentially condemning people by sending them to a country that's completely alien to them. Kilmonger returning to the scene of his father's death showcases his inability to let go of the past and just how isolated he feels to the rest of the world.
If killmonger ain't in spiritual plain in black panther 2 ill be pissed
I heard a rumour they're brining him back, so fingers crossed
Wakanda has all the vibranium tech that could save Erik's life just like what it did to Martin Freeman Ross. They could make another story arc from that. Erik might think it as against his will but I dunno.
I think Namor is gonna save him lol. He wanted to be buried in the ocean. Imagine Namor also has a bone to pick with Wakanda and he happens to save Kilmonger. That’s his way of figuring out the logs to on of wakanda. Just an idea lol
@@tipcherubin7163 Not sure how Namor would save someone who's been dead for at least a few hours before being dropped in the ocean (not just because T'Challa has to re-establish order, but also because aside from their river Wakanda is land locked), just as I'm also not sure how Namor would know anything at all about who Killmonger is, since he was unlikely to ever come into contact with them.
Generally, I consider it a good idea to let the dead stay dead.
Well.
Marvel needs the writing quality for all the Villains to match Killmonger’s. Thanos was amazing too
Ryan Coogler and his team are behind this. So ask them.
@@sersastark Imagine Namor in their hands.
Marvel is just a company a brand Killmonger exist because they were artists Ryan Cogler and his team that were inspired because they have something to say.
Marvel don't have the ingredients to repeat that easily.
I think that this has been happening in Phase 3. Vulture, Hela, Killmonger, Thanos, Mysterio (depending on who you ask), Thanos, they were all very well received as villains, with Killmonger and Thanos being the stand outs. I’d even include Zemo in the list.
Black panther is garbage you all need to watch real movies if you talking about good writing 🤣 these marvel movies are child's play
i often think that Killmonger's story is a critique from Ryan Coogler to Marvel who romanticize and fetishize African culture to create BlackPanther comic. Coogler using this movie to show that this romanticization of Africa's culture and history is ridiculous without recognizing the effect of colonization in our present day. Killmonger is a character that provides a critique of the past and present while T'Challa provides future.
Ilham Syah I heard someone complain one time that Killmongers motivation was stupid and he’s nothing more than a dumb white liberal- Oh what did I have to deal with? and that’s not even the worst
Interesting point. However,.given the general depiction of Africa and Africans in popular global media these last 160 years ( think Kiplings Tarzan - White Mans Burden) i think a little positive Romaticizing goes a long way. I think Coogler's criticism was for the historical Colonization and the "Scramble fro Africa" view point thats damaged both its heritage/ legacy and continues with China today. I think Romanticizing can be good for a culture anyways,..just look at King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table and what THAT beautiful Lie had/has done for the UK!
_"Erick Killmonger is the ANTAGONIST but he's NOT the villain."_
Holy shit, yes! I am so happy to see many are now talking about and using examples of how those two words are not interchangeable!
this movie surprised me with it's depth more so than any other marvel film.
Wow, just because it talks about race does not make it more "deep". There are plenty of movies that talk about that and do it way better than black panther.
@@quesovadotas3050 Shang-chi is the only one I can think of, name the others
I dont see the wisdom in bringing Kilmonger back. The questions he posed are for "us" to answer. In the case of Heath's Joker, Thanos and Kilmonger, the death of the character (or in Heath's case, himself) is what makes their greatness enduring. There are too many great villains who come back from death only to have their legacies fall flat.
You're absolutely right about this. He has more impact as a character staying dead.
The Marvelous Madames that’s sad and tragic when a character has only meaningful impact through death
sadly with the flower they helped makes Black Panther destoryed, and even more sadly Chad dead they are in a box. Killmonger's actor is still alive. perhaps he will go through a Loki arc. seeing what T'Challa did after his defeat
I remember watching this in the theater and feeling so conflicted about Killmonger’s character. I have to say, I didn’t agree with his violent ideology, but I understood it. I couldn’t help but wish that T’Challa could change it too. But he was broken beyond repair, and that saddened me greatly.
To me, Eric was a perfect sympathetic villain. He stole the show, and you killed this essay. Keep up the great work.
It’s good writing, both the hero and the villain have a point, but both are also wrong. The difference is that T’Challa, the hero, was willing to listen to what Killmonger said that was right to improve himself and his world, while Eric was dead set in his ideas and too far gone to listen to reason. If they combined forces and Eric was willing to relax and listen, the country would be much safer and better off.
By placing almost all of the story outside the US, _Black Panther_ could be about the risks and benefits of global isolationism, engagement, and intervention without having to carry all the baggage of the last century.
@Victor Nikolai Because it's more efficient than moving and housing all of the American production teams, equipment, and talent across the globe for shoots and reshoots.
I'm South African Indian so in the cinema we all cheered for every little thing in this movie because it was so emotional seeing something that represented our continent.Added with epic Ludwig Gorransons score was just another part that was highly appreciated.
The music was amazing for sure
Are you sure it is your continent, Kimisha ? I am pretty sure the is country and of continent of your own !
@@mrmushin1 I'm 6th generation born in South Africa my line being brought by the British forced as indentured labourers so yes I am sure it is my continent. The right to know what you say is 'my continent' was taken from us. So please stop being xenophobic because I appreciate where I am born and it's diversity!.
I'm from S. A to 😁🇿🇦
So your a white girl? And either your a slave or servant buy not both..Black Panther is a movie that everyone can enjoy but it depicted the life from an African standpoint and Black American standpoint; to overall show our differences, our beauty, our common, and our fight with the fallout of colonization and global white supremacy.. thanks though. FBA B1
Apologies if I'm misunderstanding but I don't think Killmonger was consumed by his idea of Wakanda as much as he was consumed by how his personal trauma connected him to the collective trauma of enslaved people being cut off from their heritage by the atrocities of the past. His focus on re-establishing that connection - the sense of responsibility to one's brother (literally for him in regards to his father's brother) on a global scale became the focus of his intent and his ill-fated way to correct his own past.
Wow, not only did you deliver, you delivered QUICK
Thanks! With the quarantine, this video felt like a lifetime to make 😂
"The what if that robbed him of what is" that hit hard, this is such a great essay.
Thank you for another amazing video! Killmonger is one of the best villains in the MCU so far - a real shame that he only had one movie to shine. His death was incredibly poignant, but it would have been interesting to see him get a chance to grow as Loki has. That said, as much as I already liked Erik, you made me look at him in a new way.
Aww thanks! I was really unsure about this video's quality, so that's really relieving to hear! :)
I think Kilmonger was too far gone and too much of a psychopath to grow and redeem himself.
@@themarvelousmadamespodcast6035 That's possible, but even that could make for a good story - T'Challa struggles for a movie or two to get his cousin to come around and ultimately fails. So far Marvel has given us redemption for Loki and Nebula and Bucky; we've come to expect it from the wayward (adoptive) siblings of the heroes. Having one get a second chance and actually stay bad would be something new, at this point.
I'm a softy, though, so I would have been thrilled with him getting some therapy and being the bad cop to T'Challa's good cop.
@@SisterCasendra I think the big difference with T'Challa and Kilmonger is that they have no shared history. Thor and Loki grew up together as brothers. Even Nebula and Gamora were somewhat raised together. Steve and Bucky were essentially brothers too. But T & K would have no bond to fall back on, so I think it would be more of a stretch there.
@@themarvelousmadamespodcast6035 That's an excellent point - despite being cousins, they really have no personal history at all. Also, Killmonger's deep-seated anger toward the royal family would probably be difficult or impossible to overcome. I'm still sad to see the character go, though.
He was my favourite part of black panther
It's pretty obvious and redundant at this point, but you are really good at what you do. Excellent summization.
This made me watch Black Panther again and while i still have structural and character issues with the film, holy shit did i get a lot more out of it going in with a new perspective. Good job making a decent film better just by talking about it
Don't blather about inconsistent quality. You're a great critic and commentator. This was great. Still waiting for my Odin video ;) And the unspoken history of the MCU!
Aww thanks! That's incredibly relieving to hear, and yeah I'm actually just figuring out how to do Odin, either just him or taking a look at all the mentor figures together :)
@@ImplicitlyPretentious 'Do one at a time and cross ref to others in each vid where appropriate.' - John Clay
@@ImplicitlyPretentious Looking forward to this. Odin and all the misery he caused definitely needs a deep dive. For me, he's one of the biggest villains in the MCU.
Bless Killmonger's heart...he deserved so much more but was blinded by the past. ;-; I really can't blame him given my upbringing.
Killmonger's final words are possibly the deepest lines in any Marvel movie.
Not really. They're the words of someone who would rather be a hateful martyr than re-examine his own flaws and try to make the world a better place through atonement.
Derek do you understand the history of his final words?
Jordan Snow I heard someone complain one time that Killmongers motivation was stupid and he’s nothing more than a dumb white liberal- Oh what did I have to deal with? and that’s not even the worst
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Did you reply this to every comment hoping somebody would eventually clap for you and admire your superior virtue?
SkullCrusherG777 I was hoping to spread awareness you damn stalker. You should be blessed to not be dealing with idiots
Slight correction. Erik's last name in the MCU is Stevens. Killmonger was the nickname he got for his excellent kill record. Otherwise, great stuff as usual.
Great! video.
I shared this with the 35 people in my Candor Channel chat group...
Proud to be a subscriber to this content. It's getting better and better.
And I love the theme song...
Thank you for all ur videos!
Thanks! I hope you don't the inconsistent quality!
I do not appreciate you putting your videos down at the beginning, I love your videos, and hope that you enjoy making them just as much as I do.
I didn't expect an essay for Killmonger.
But it is certainly welcomed.
And I know you'd likely never find the time, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on anyone in Attack on Titan.
i just gotta say... your channel is hella underrated. i love ur content and am honestly surprised you dont have more subs! keep it up, ur video essays are always a treat to watch when i get that notification :)
I'll still be here several years later, watching your THE BLACK PANTHER TRILOGY IS DECEIVINGLY BEAUTIFUL video... if i survive till then, that is.
I could cheat and do it immediately using Civil War, Black Panther and Infinity War 😂
@@ImplicitlyPretentious hahaha. I'll watch everything. Make as many videos as u can! 😊😁😃
Thank you!
your videos are great! I've watched a ton of your old ones recently after finding you
Amazing as usual. The description is also gold.
Killmonger is the second most interesting Monger-villain in the MCU, and also the second most interesting character played by a previous Johnny Storm. How about Zemo instead?
Great vid as usual. Though I've always found it interesting how those seemingly unimpeded by or even benefit from "heritage wars" always find the wisdom to move past them, while simultaneously leaving the structures they have produced intact.
The one issue I had with Black Panther is it posed the question of what Wakanda should have done to mitigate colonization as oppose to who's responsible and why is it still commonplace in modern society.
Love this channel ❤️
Another great video on one of my favorite Marvel movies! Thanks for the amazing content. 😊
Now i have to rewatch black panther again
im on a journey to watch all of your vids and learn the meaning of life itself via the process.
h2ojr1 lol, I’m curious, you think you can figure life and it’s meanings by just watching film video essay?
Awesome video thanks so much bro
Awesome video as always. Stay healthy. I wish you a great day from Germany. Happy Easter.
Ooooo weee ive been waiting for this.
Can't believe I didn't realize that the intro creation story is Erik's father retelling his the story of Wakanda...
How did you miss that?😅
Just like with Worf from TNG.
More please
There's no excuses.
I’m so early lol fantastic keep up the great work
Thank you so much!
“So, you know... good time YO” xD YAP GOTTA LIKE IT!!
Love all your Marvel stuff. I am curious if you have considered doing something related to Woody in the four Toy Story movies?
Nice video! =]
No peace on stolen land
I would love to see a bad guy team up between Michael b Jordan's Killmonger and Anthony carrigan's Victor Zsasz.
"he's only been in one movie" so far. I hope he'll be back for a prequel, or some other way, at some point. Not only do I think he's way too cool to use in just one movie, but I think he's too good of a person to be known only as an antagonist.
"he even brought Martin Freeman back to Wakanda..." haha, so I guess I wasn't the only one who couldn't remember that dude's name while watching it. It's Ross though, just fyi.
the description...lmao!
No. Not everything needs to drag on and on in the MCU. Let stories end.
@@nope5657 ??? his story has ended. It's the beginning we didn't really get to see.
Marvel is going to keep making movies for as long as people will watch them. I just want one of them to involve Killmonger somehow.
What’s the song instrumentals at the beginning of the video 0:00-0:04
ruclips.net/video/OJjWsk1VWFQ/видео.html
What is the opening music?
More black panther please
WoW! 6 people disliked this. I bet one of them is Martin Scorsese.
No views? I doubt that RUclips.
Lol it still blows my mind that more than 15 watch, so seeing 0 is bizarrely calming 😂
Weird question, Why Bach’s first cello suite?
7:45 listen close not sure where it starts maybe that’s where the answer is don’t care I wanna start watching the video again
@@masterjuice3894 I picked it because it simply matched the slower pace of the section, that's really it 😂
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Can you do Logan/ wolverine
I was constantly distracted by the awful green screens in all African nature scenes...
Also... I find it interesting that Tony Stark who kills his enemies all the time is never presented as a monster or to have a heart full of hatred. Thor is a literal warmonger but because he's blond its ok. T'Challa was chasing Bucky a WEEK before the events of Black panther. But the ONLY time AVENGING is seen as evil is when the Black guy from America wants some of that good ole vengeance.
Tony pays for what he does and isn’t ever without consequence. Thor is a literal god. It’s the wrong way to kick start a revolution and would’ve done nothing but brought death to wakanda. You’re reading way to far into this man.
@@CoveringFish nah people are still debating the ethics of star wars 50 years later. I can examine the mcu as much as I like. And Tony never goes to prison or loses his money or suits or anything till endgame (and he kills waaaay more people than Killmonger).
@@CoveringFish Thor is a god but so? Its not like he's the creator of the universe, he's just a metahuman. Does that mean he can kill whoever he wants? Because might makes right? Why can't Killmonger do that? See the morw you look into it the more you realize Killmonger is only seen as a villain because he wants to help black people and there's no way to do that without addresing who's oppressing black people.
Joe Black first off I’m black. Second killmonger is seen as a villain because he wants to use wakanda’s technical superiority to get revenge. Which, in all of history, doesn’t justify itself. If they used their technical superiority to launch a war on anyone who isn’t right. They just prove every single racist correct. And yeah you can examine it as much as you want but no one has to engage with you. So with that I leave you
@@CoveringFish is there any avenger that doesn't use advanced technology to fight for thier own side? Vibranium suits? Iron man suits? Hawkeyes trick arrows? Evem hulk himself is a product of science and technology... I dont care what you look like, your take is wrong and anti black American. Have fun in the sunken place tho
I always seen it as a nice allegory for the damage fatherless homes have wrought upon the black community and how we instead run around blaming everyone but ourselves for being the ones who took the hand outs the government gave and forsaking our families.
And T'challa's plan to enrich those around. The world with their heritage is not far off from what I've been saying we need. American blacks have no ties to their past, so we have no future. But if we get that back, it could help. Maybe not in this generation, but the next.
Wakanda forever *crosses arms africanly
I love his character but MBJ line delivery wasn't doing it for me.
If only the Taliban had learned this
You got this completely wrong. Not only was wakanda Eriks home he was the RIGHTFUL heir to the throne. He clearly beat Tchalla in combat and the only reason Tchalla isnt dead is because forrest Whittaker interfered.