“I HATE HEARTSTOPPER!😡” Ok???
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2023
- “I HATE HEARTSTOPPER!😡” Ok??? #heartstopper #lgbt #shorts
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HEARTSTOPPER SEASON 2 REVIEW IS OUT! Go watch ❤
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Your makeup is so cuteee!!! and your style too!
I LOVE SEASON 2 SM
@@shadowkittyfox3238so TRUE
Do you know where I can buy the books?
THANK YOU SO MUCH! 💖💜💙
i think people are forgetting that nick literally only mentions being bi when people call him gay first. he's literally just correcting people when they're wrong, not bringing it up out of nowhere
RIGHT?? that’s like… the whole point? 😂🤦🏽♀️
Exactly, when I'm out and feeling cute, I'll have gay men approach me and ask if I'm gay. I'm not walking up to strangers and just shouting in their face that I'm bisexual.
When I tell them I'm bi, there are absolutely gay men who will tell me that I'm not really bi or say things like "I remember when I still thought I was bi."
The show depicts this because it happens all the time to bisexuals in queer community! And it feels good to actually see it represented!
@@JakeTahoeMusic"you're not bi" oh, right sorry. My brain forgot it can't like more than one gender, my bad. Let me just stop wanting to fuck both.
Like, tf? 💀
for real
Frederic is a vegan and he even said that miss Karen aka that vegan teacher is better than God 😮😮😮
"every single time is too much" BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. PEOPLE DON'T ASK ME IF I'M QUEER OR BI, THEY ASK IF I'M GAY. JUST LIKE THEY DID TO NICK CONSTANTLY
Gay includes bi? Like how queer does?
@@alexbennet4195 Does is tho? Cuz I’m bi and consider myself queer but not gay. So confusing.
@@alexbennet4195 it could, but usually, when people ask if someone is gay, they usually mean if they are homosexual, because gay is most commonly referring to homosexual men in particular. not to mention, many homosexuals didn't accept bisexuals as 'gay' in history unless they were dating the same gender as them. so it comes off weird and as erasing bisexuality when you ask someone who specified they were bi, like what nick did, if they are gay just because they are dating someone of the same gender
@@alexbennet4195gay doesn’t include bi. Seeing as how they’re legit two different things😂
@@alexbennet4195no tf it doesn't. Gay is not an umbrella term like queer is. Please for the love of God learn some queer history and terminology
Just a reminder that just bc your part of the LGBTQIA+ community it doesn’t mean that what you say cant be homophobic. Anyone can be homophobic, even gay people.
Yeah. Look at Ben, for example.
@@asherikamichaela8425 😭😭 STOP
@@asherikamichaela8425who’s Ben…? Is Ben in heartstopper? I’m a bit slow + haven’t caught up on the series
It rhymes with Ken shapiro
@@Ian-rn9qyBen is the one that Charlie is dating in the beginning of the series. He’s secretly gay and he’s super homophobic.
exactly! and about Charlie’s eating disorder, did they read the comics? it shows up here and there in subtle hints so we are prepared for s3 which will be about his journey getting diagnosed and his struggle with ED and OCD. it’s supposed to be subtle bc s2 was about Nick coming out and more attention on the other characters and their stories.
Fr! It definitely pops up in the show, the day after Charlie breaks up with Ben we can see him skipping breakfast, and skipping lunch in a few other scenes. He skips snacks at the movie, he doesn’t eat in Paris to the point he passes out. How much does it have to talk about smth for them to acknowledge it?
@@Tobithepurpleducc the show seems really good at detail from that description. I've never seen it, I'm worried about sex scenes because they make me uncomfortable, but I'm slowly wanting to watch it more and more
@@waffleaffle231 it’s amazing. I’m ace so I totally get not wanting to see any sex scenes, don’t worry, in the first two seasons the most they do is kiss. S3 hasn’t come out yet, but there shouldn’t be any in that one either. There is in the comic tho, not very graphic but still.
@@Tobithepurpleducc thank you for the response! I'm also ace, and pretty sex averse (I'm working on being more comfortable with sex scenes since it does affect my quality of life). That's very good to know, I'll most likely go watch it soon!!
@@waffleaffle231 ofc! I’m pretty averse too but it’s cool that you’re working on it :)
Thank you for speaking up against bi erasure 💖
Every single time I go to any comment section you are there
Literally just saw you in another comment section. You’re a sweetheart
WHY DO I SEE U EVERYWHERE U ARE AMAZING👍👍👍
omg ur everywhere bae
Right?? We fight for so long to be understood by the majority united, but once lesbian and gay people get understood and respected by enough cishet people, some of them then turn around and call us meticulous, confusing, invalid, try to decide our identity for us, as if they didn't just have to do the same thing for a long time with people, with our support behind them for their rights.
- Sincerely, a bi ace who might as well have a Powerpoint presentation to help raise the small chances that explaining myself will actually get understood and respected.
Did they not read the comics? Charlie not eating is going to be *extremely* relevant
also its related to his backstory he was outed and his ed came from wanting to have control over something how disgusting are they to try to downplay it
I hate LGBTQ
I think they said, "Charlies ED is like not in the fim"
But there were so many subtle clues in season one and each one a little more obvious going into season 2.
@@ChoiceQueenxoxoplus near the end of season two nick flat out tells Charlie he thinks that Charlie has one
I feel like they either didnt actually watch the full season when they said that, because it was implied fairly strongly - if I remember correctly Nick even googled "eating disorders". Just miserable people jumping on the hate bandwagon I think
THE RELATIONSHIP IS SO SWEET THO? I want a relationship like that SO BAD
Same
Yeah
The comments on this are so uplifting. I'm a bi / pan babe too, and so touched to hear Frederick and so many others sounding off in support of us here. Y'all are the best. 🌈 🫶🏻 🥰 😭 👏🏻
THANK YOU!!!
“your reaction to Nick saying ‘i’m bi actually’ is a reflection on how you feel about bisexuals”
mic drop 🩷💜💙
I have to say that everything someone calls me gay
Mine was “oh sameeeee”
I literally didnt even think twice abt it like why r ppl so angry 😭😭
It reminds me of moxxie from helluva boss lmao
Yeah it's him being more comfortable in what he is after so many nights of confusion and he wants to be seen as what he is, not what people perceive of him.
nick is one of the most accurate portrayals of bisexuality ive ever seen ACTUALLY 🙃
Nick was the first bi character I've found in media while consuming queer content. I cried a lot bc I felt seen for the first time. His struggles were close to my heart, his fears. The way ppl question you, having to deal with the insecurities of others. He's great representation and I'm glad that he was the first bi character I've found.
Frederic is a vegan and he even said that miss Karen aka that vegan teacher is better than God 😮😮😮
@@ville__STOP ARE YOU JOKING LMAO I share a bday with that queen
@@ville__her name is Kadie btw
@@heyitsmira17 As a bi person I agree, it is incredibly hard and difficult to find a accurate representation if any at all.
"work on that inside"
Coldest line✨✨✨
They spoke straight facts lol
@@mariannebrandon8891 frrr
as someone who is bi, i think that it’s good that nick defended his sexuality and people just assuming he’s gay just isn’t right. also i love your make up 💗😭
Thank you!! Bi erasure is real, _especially_ in guys. It’s really sad. 😞
FACTS
One of the reasons why most bi man don't come out
The fact you have nagito komaeda as your pfp is great for the comment cause so many people will erase his bisexuality/pansexuality
yes! when I say I'm bi people just think that means I'm gay even though I actually have a slight preference for women. I have to tell people that I'm just "open minded in that regard" for them to actually think of me as liking both
@@splendidsimp Nagito loves anyone with enough hope 😩👍
“Clarifying that he’s bi every time someone calls him gay is annoying” actually everyone assuming he’s gay is annoying! And saying he should just let everyone believe something about him that isn’t true is so rude! It’s completely minimizing our sexualities to act like we should just go along with other people believing we have a sexuality we don’t. He isn’t just “basically gay,” he’s bisexual, that freaking matters, it’s a part of who he is, it affects his life. People are really asking us to just hide a part of ourselves? For what? So you don’t have to be reminded there are more than 2 sexualities? It’s honestly infuriating
Exactly! Your wording here really explains it well
When your whole personality is your sexuality that’s annoying.
@@Amiestythey ask if he's gay, and he correct them. That's not him going around telling everyone he's bi just correcting the wrong assumption. 😅 weirdo
@@Amiestyblame straight people. They made it the only personality trait that matters when they started killing and imprisoning us for it. It’s not just a sexuality, queer people have an entire culture because we were shunned from straight society.
@@Amiesty They call him gay and he says “actually I’m bi”. That’s not his entire personality that’s just him correcting people.
Nick: I'm bi, actually.
Me: Me too, we be twinnin'!
I love the ‘I’m bi actually’ line. It’s so iconic. Also I love your makeup
As a bi, cis man, I LOVE when Nick says, "I'm bi, actually," because I say that shit all the time. I'm in a same-sex relationship and everyone automatically assumes I'm gay. Even when I was in my previous opposite-sex relationship, we were BOTH bi and had to constantly remind people! Also, if anything Heartstopper has hurt me the most out of any queer show/movie I've ever seen.
Why has Heartstopper hurt you?
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 they probably mean emotionally
Okay, hold up, What's wrong with being Bi? Why do you hate heartstopper because of that? Sounds messed up.
@@heosuaquay9999 they never said they hated heartstopper?
@@heosuaquay9999THEY’RE bi, they’re saying it hurt them emotionally
everyone who says that heartstopper is too happy and too cringe is a complete liar. i actually *sobbed* after reading all seven graphic novels, solitaire, nick and charlie, etc for literal hours
I felt that 😭
Me too dude I cried so hard
Fr, like Oseman's books hit me in the feels
I can understand finding something too cringy (because we are all cringy at some point). But too happy? Have you seen most LGBTQ+ content? With the rise of anti-LGTBQ+ rhetoric out there, having happy lgbtq+ content (especially for one's aimed at kids and teens) is more important than ever.
And even if it was just happy and cringe, so what? Gay people deserve cringe happy things too
It is realistic. It portrays the mental health isssues many lgbtqs face by the homophobia. Charlie’s struggles with so much.
Omg “work on that inside” is my new favorite line. Ty!
As an asexual it's so sad how people do this and think they're justified. No, erasing bi people isn't a girlboss move it just makes you a terrible person
Right?? It isn't just being a bit of a savage or a lil brutally honest to disrespect an entire orientation.
I've noticed a real close sense of alliance between the bis and aces too, because we face very similar nonsensical phobia: "pick a side, you made that up, you just don't want to commit to anyone, clearly you're actually more attracted to one of the genders and that's your real orientation, you just want an excuse for [insert judgement of your character based on your attractiveness/modesty/expression]"
I havent seen a bi person come after aces or an aspec person come after the bi community yet, we have each others backs 💜
@@lilpetz500 as a pansexual who is constantly referred to as bi, i wholeheartedly agree with you. im not just “a bisexual who wants to feel special” or “a confused gay guy” because i have a preference for men. and honestly, the fact that a lot of that has come from other queer people (at least for me) is upsetting. we need to stick together and have each others backs in this crazy world 💞
as an ace pan both groups are erased constantly and its sad
As a diamoric pomoromantic angled aroace, I agree Everyone in the community already gets enough hate from cishet phobic losers The last thing we need is to get it from the same people that are supposed to be going through the same
Frederic is a vegan and he even said that miss Karen aka that vegan teacher is better than God 😮😮😮
Both me and my boyfriend are bi and in a straight relationship but that dosnt change the fact when we admire women we admire them together and when we admire men we admire them together its great
That sounds wonderful
In an opposite sex relationship. You can't be in a straight relationship if you're not straight.
thats so cute!! bi4bi ftw
Wait wouldnt that be a bisexual relationship? Just because you're with someone who's your opposite sex, that doesn't make it a straight relationship. But like not trying to be a hater I'm just rambling dlfbdkj
@@nyom6378i think it's just more a straight presenting relationship
Am I the only one who just loves his makeup?
No, is like to know how he did that those heartstopper leaves are beatiful
off topic but can we talk about the little leafs on his face?! it’s so damn cute! 🥰 😭
As a bi person in a straight-passing relationship, I love that Nick is so assertive in his sexuality
Same!
As a lesbian person with a bi partner in a lesbian-passing marriage, I agree.
“If you’re a girl, you’re not bi, you’re straight. If you’re a guy, you’re not bi, you’re gay.”
Almost like we’re only allowed to be attracted to men. Interesting.
As a girl, you’re too much of a woman to know what you’re talking about or have valid thoughts, opinions, or any understanding of yourself, you’re claiming to be bi cause you’re just silly like that and must just be straight.
As a guy, you’re the correct gender so we have to listen to what you’re saying, but you’re not straight so you failed being the correct kind of man and must be gay.
This is sarcasm btw
Women aren’t bi, they just like attention
Not them complaining about Nick mentioning his bi-ness all the time but ignoring the fact that our queens Darcy and Tara mention being lesbians like every episode
BRO! The way my mom always tries to tell me "Its just a phase you'll grow out of it. You're just confused"
I found it 0% cringe whenever Nick said he's bi, I actually find it super validating, so I was shocked that anyone gay took issue with it. I appreciate this; thank you 💖
I found it a little cringe (As a bi man) but for very different reasons
I found it very cringe because cheesy shows aren’t really what I watch, but its still one of my favourite shows ever!
I thought it was great to show that he always has to correct people, because people tend to forget bisexual people exist. Didn’t find it cringy either.
I'm bi and I find it cringe lol
@@quokka_ytwell you should check your internalized phobias then
The show has defo been toned down for Netflix than compared to the comics but its really weird when people say "Heartstopper doesn't have any mature themes" , pretty sure they've never read the books.
My god yes, they definitely tried to make it more appropriate for kids but like if people want something more adult, they should just read the books instead of watching the show its not that hard
wait why? ive read the firdt two and the only difference i found is the swearing...most of it is exactly the same
Charlie literally gets assulted by that guy (forgot his name) in the first like 3 episodes and it remains a major plot point throughout the rest of the show 😭
"no mature themes" like sir?? Maam?? No????
@@aarya1107 have you read the other books? thats where the show starts to stray pretty far away from the story (no hate to the show though of course)
@@weirdobeyond ohh i see, no i've only read the first two up until now. the first two were the entire first season.
2nd girl with brown looks like “I don’t like it but that’s too much”💀
I'm bi myself, and EVERY time Nick corrected people about him actually being bi I was so, so happy. It literally made me feel like I exist.
also it is a scientific FACT that hating on something just because it's popular, or going into a piece of media wanting to hate, leads to high blood pressure and lowers your tax bracket! ❤️
Thank you so much for responding to this, as a bi person heartstopper made me so happy, and it hurts me to see people hating on it for no good reason
Aughghghhgghhhhhh 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤓🤓🤓💀💀💀☠️☠️💩💩💩
@@VictoriaWritingaughhhhhhh😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🥸🤓🤓🤓
Wdym????????????@@hugejelly
@@hugejellyok 10 year old cringy ahh💀
As a Bi person I don't think people realize just how integrated biphobia is in Society, I have to clarify I'm Bi almost everyday when I mention something I find beautiful in another person because people tend to think that I'm just "confused". Literally a couple of days ago I was speaking to a guy and I mentioned that my first kiss was with a girl and he went "YOURE BI??? NO WAY" and I said something along the lines of "yeah, I'm attracted to both..." and he decided that the best response was "that's because you're not." And I haven't been able to stop thinking about that
Sorry that happend to you ❤
A guy literally told me girls only "CHOOSE" to be bisexual to get attention from men. But only he was Actually bi, I was just faking it. Then he asked me out. Like absolutely not, your attention is the last thing I want
Same! I got told by my dad that I was bi for the shock values
Well if he says you’re not then you’re not 😊🫶🏽 (I am joking)
The amount of times I have heard "bi people don't exist"😭 guess my existence is a lie
I kinda stopped telling people that I'm bi because they give me weird looks and ask me 100 questions about what I like about men and women which is kinda uncomfortable ...
Someone told me I'm not bi because I didn't make out with a woman (I'm female btw)so far(I literally was in love with other women but too shy to ask them out and I like nsfw content with both men and women).
I'm in a relationship right now and I don't see me cheating or breaking up with my boyfriend just to prove I like women too but even if then it's just "oh you were just a lesbian in the closet")...I'm pretty antisocial and it's only my second relationship so far
Another thing when you say you're bi as a woman is that some creeps immediately ask me for threesomes with other women...I'm bi but I'm not into that😐
UMM HELLO!??? YOUR MAKEUP IS STUNNING (as always) WITH THE HEARTSTOPPER LEAVES OMG
As a bisexual, thank you Fredric💗
I love gay people who don’t hate bi people 😭 thank you Frederic!
I think he labels himself as queer
I don’t think most gay people hate bi people lol, I really don’t think you’re being victimised
@@alexbennet4195Most? Probably not. But biphobia is a problem within gay circles. It sucks because these people are supposed to be your own kind, but they still spread harmful stereotypes.
I hate lgbtq
bi boys / girls are usually super nice, I always consider it a green flag in dating when a guy is bisexual. ( I know sexuality and personality don't correlate, I just notice it's a pattern I see )
as a queer person, heartstopper is one of my favorite shows because it shows the happy part of being queer, but also showcases the challenges that we go through :)
it's just realistic in a curious way you know, so many queer shows NEVER show the joys of being lgbt, and just the pain, heartstopper just shows both, and a bit more of the joys, that's whats so weird for people
yesss, this! showing not just the struggles, but the joys and love involved in being queer is so important, s'why it means so much to me ❤❤
The thing I love about heartstopper is that even when they do talk about all the hard parts and the more serious topics, it never seems hopeless. In so much gay content, especially when they talk about highschool, they always make it seem so hopeless because when you’re in that mindset it does seem hopeless. But it’s so refreshing to see a show discuss these serious topics without making them feel like the end of the world. It’s something that a lot of people need to see because it’s a great reminder that even when you struggle with mental illness, people love you and there’s still joy to find. Heartstopper is a wonderfully hopeful show and it helps heal my own shitty highschool experience.
Whenever he says “I’m bi actually” I’m like : must protect bi golden retriever 😭🥺
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT ABOUT BISEXAULS!!!!!
I HATE when my friends or people I know dis heart stopper. Like👏 let👏 gay 👏people 👏have 👏cheesy👏 happy 👏wholesome 👏story’s👏 you don’t have to watch it. Also the “im bi actually” is so relatable for bi people.
Amen
Or let gay people have opinions about a bad show and not speak for every bisexual? That aCtuALly thing definitly isn't reletable for me
@esztibaling7491 why must you hate on a cheesy romance show thats clearly targeted at teens? i mean like, there is already going to be enough homophobic, biphobic and transphobic people hating it. why must you add to the hate because youre not the target audience? like i dont care if you dislike it but to publicly diss and pile onto it because youre not the target demographic and make the actual bigots feel justified is such a weird move compared to just... not watching it and moving on with your life. idgi.
@@zorro...... Ok but it's not like I randomly decided to diss it because as you said there's no point in it, but like I have an opinion and when i see stuff like this, publicly putting down other queers for their opinion, or speaking for all bi's that doesn't sit right with me. Also I am a target audience kind of, I'm not a boy but I'm a bi high schooler.
But also everytime I talk about it I highlight the fact that I'm not homophobic and critizising the movie itself. Doesn't mean i'm siding with homophobes and when people hate it for that reason I also argue against them
@@eszti498the thing is, the original comment is also about queer people putting down and shaming other queer people for enjoying simple and cheesy stories; despite the fact that media like chick flicks are widely accepted as guilty pleasures.
I will forever hate the narrative that a happy LGBTQ story in a movie or show is "unrealistic" as if every single queer person has just had nothing but a negative, discrimination filled life. Happy queer stories exist! Happy queer people exist!!! We need to show them too!!! As important as it is to showcase the harsh realities as well, its just as important for positive stories to be shared as well.
Yup. There are people like me who had accepting families and never needed to come out. Don't get me wrong, they weren't perfect, but my sexuality was never a problem.
And honestly even so there are a lot of sad stories that need to be represented sometimes you just wanna watch something happy because reality is shit itself and I don’t wanna see only sad stuff in media as well. Let me watch my ideal life at least in a screen please
There are plenty of stuff like that and the problematic portrayal will put people off LGBTQ and I find this show’s happy narrative refreshing
Honestly when ever I hear "it's not realistic" that is a massive red flag. 🙄
I will never understand why some people just bash on wholesome gay content so much.
Like yes it is important to tell the tragic realities some queer people face (but I feel like we're already saturated in sorrow with most of gay media and reality at this point). On the other hand an equally (sometimes even more) important topic should be represented in queer media is hope. People need to know that life can get better. That being queer comes with its ups and down just every other aspect of life.
That you hold on to that joy those character on the screen display and don't stop until you have that same joy in your life because you deserve it.
Honestly who the hell would even bother coming out if all that was portrayed in queer media was non stop realistic tragedy?
@@jabberwockygeode1384 THIS!!!!!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
people are always like "bro choose a side" and im like i cant do that😭😭😭😭
“Charlie’s eating isn’t in the film at all” THAT’S THE POINT!!!!!! Him not eating is relevant
"I hate it when gay people get one show where they all stay alive be happy together"
"UGH so annoying when they just live a regular teen life without facing devastating trauma for queer!"
"So unrealistic and cringe for a bi person to speak up when being erased too, like what, why would someone do that?"
As an openly Bisexual woman since I was 14, bisexual erasure is a huge deal. It’s a problem I face from both the LGBTQ+ community as well as my heteronormative family and friends like Frederic said. Until I was 18, my whole family assumed I was a Lesbian, despite also dating two boys in those four years. They always assumed I was a lesbian bc “You have to pick one. You can’t like both.” or else I was just confused and experimenting. My first ever relationship was with a girl a year older than me and that was definitely not a PG relationship and I’ve also had relationships with men that were just the same! I’ve also had crushes on nonbinary people and androgynous folks that you genuinely gotta ask to tell and it is just upsetting to me that this is still very much a thing. I am now 22yo and I haven’t had a relationship since I was 17 because no one wants to date an open bisexual and if they do, it’s for all the wrong reasons. I have been asked out by woman who believed they could turn me away from any man forever and men who believe the same, which just frustrates me because why is it so hard to accept that I can like people beyond their appearances because I like most appearances? Bisexuality isn’t even exclusive to just liking men and woman, it just means you like 2 or more genders. You can be considered bisexual as long as you’re attracted to more than one gender so it’s just odd to me how much of a “Can we save her from the other side?” kind of scenario my love life has become. Im either more often chalked up to be nothing but a fetish or a cheater waiting to be born or I’m actually confused somehow like everyone says I am. Bisexual people exist and we’re often too scared to admit what we truly are to others due to their own biases against our sexual orientation. I can understand disliking characters coming out as bisexual to an extent because I’ve definitely seen characters get slapped with the bisexual label just for more inclusivity before, but that’s actually not very common. I can’t even name a good example off the top of my head, but it’s a tiny portion of our representation. I don’t remember this comic/book very well from when I’ve read it, but i’m fairly certain this scenario is not an inclusivity act alone. This character is meant to be genuinely bisexual from the beginning. I don’t understand why it’s a problem, unless they’re just biphobic or something.
I'm sorry you have to go through that, I had a discussion with a family member the other day and it made me so mad that they thought bisexual people "had to pick one gender" and that they were basically all cheaters. It's so unfair to bi people that some people have these completely absurd ideas about bisexuality
“Bisexual doesn’t just mean two” but it literally does bi by definition means two of something, c’mon, you’re just being silly now
Omg that took forever to but I’m sorry you have to go through that
@fernthegreenfairy bisexual means two or more. yes, the prefix "bi" is there, but because its a social identity it has evolved over time with the public understanding of gender identity and expression. so a person who identifies as bi absolutely can be attracted to more than two genders.
@@kqrmen1
Listen to the words you’re saying, you’re claiming your SEXual identity isn’t defined by which SEX / sexes you’re attracted to, then why call it SEXual identity, why call it biSEXual, if it’s got nothing to do with a persons sex, when it’s literally spelling it out for you, they like both sexes, bi meaning both, sex meaning… sex, this stuff is all in your head, it’s just illogical on the most basic level to deny the meaning of that word
I found out my drama teacher was literally Charlie’s double In the series 😅
As a bisexual, I’m quite frankly not interested in whether or not a homosexual person thinks a bi character is “too much”, because it’s not *for them*. It’s not their representation. While any two queer people will have some things in common and that’s beautiful, being bi or pan is a fundamentally different experience from being homosexual, and I wish the rest of the LGBTQ+ community could just be happy for us finally getting some representation rather than critiquing a portrayal of an experience they simply don’t have.
When I watched Nick say “I am bi actually.” and though wow I have had to go through that and I didn’t even notice because I normalized it in my life. I have had so many people say that I am confused or you can’t like both or even and I quote “are you sure you’re not just a lesbian.” Seeing what Nick went through made some aspects of my life easier to understand! HEARTSTOPPER IS GREAT!!!!
Who says that? There are way more people identifying as bi than lesbian??
@@alexbennet4195what you got against bisexuals?
It's like your fifth comment under people sharing their experience.
@@alexbennet4195hey man don’t be an ass!
As a bisexual, thank youuuuuuuu! I have been told wayyyyyy too many times while actively on dates with other women that I could never actually be with a woman because id miss men too much (by the women im on the date with). Bi erasure is infuriatinggg.
Now im in a happy relationship with a bi man and we both talk all the time about how we may look straight but damn it, we arent
Oof, that date experience sounds so awful! People have the oddest ideas about those of us outside of the binary in any way. I’m so happy for you for finding people who see you and love you! Congrats on being in a relationship with another bi person, too! That’s so sweet :)
Were they… joking?
@@alexbennet4195You'd be surprised how many lesbians HATE bi women because they're also attracted to men. I've seen plenty of lesbians be like "bisexuals will cheat with a man" and it makes me furious every time
@@justbella_gci mean as a gay trans man its difficult, all the bi men I've dated have been the worse to me, not saying all bi men but alot, it truly hurts when im intimate with a bi man and he just has the unbearable urge to mention my body parts and try to convince me not to do surgeries even tho i need those surgeries.
Also, the series started as a multi-volume comic and a lot of the more serious tones are later down the line.
being bi requires constant reassurance to ourselves and assertion to others of who we are. we won’t apologize for a standing up for the erasure done to us
As a lesbian who identified as bi for years prior, what Nick was doing was 100% valid. He’s bi, not gay, not straight.
No bi erasure k thanks 💙💖💜
Im bi and everyone always says: “your confused”, “your just lesbian”, decide if you like guys or girls”, “your young to understand that”
Like leave ME *ALONE*
The makeup I’m OBSESSED!!!!!
The show actually helped me come to terms with my own sexuality, as a person who is demisexual. I think the show is amazing
Ah they've got demi rep? 🥺
This generation is in for some wonderful and informative storytelling in their media, I'm so damn happy for them. It took until I was a grown adult just a few years ago before I saw anything mainstream even just have het-asexuals or aroaces, I can only imagine how special it would be for a demi teen (or even adult) to discover themselves through relating to their favourite show, along with so many other identities people go so long not realising there's a word for.
Personally, I'm also reallly counting on seeing more nonbinary lead characters too in media, that would be so affirming for so many people
@@lilpetz500 no unfortunately they don’t have Demi rep but they do have asexual and aromatic representations although they may have Demi rep in the next season
Same!
@@edenmcdonald9373There is demi rep in the comics! Instead of Isaac there's a character called Aled who is demi :). He doesn't really have a major plot line in the Heartstopper comics, but is the main character of Alice's book Radio Silence (which is an amazing book btw, definitely recomend)
@@michaelam.325 good to know thanks
Bi erasure is cringe
Someone who recently just started to get comfy of calling myself bi, it took me such a long time to accept it because of people all around me saying “no you’re just confused and selfish.” I even got this from my own community. Thank you for bringing attention to this ❤ (also sorry I’m late lol)
I am bisexual, and it IS a problem!!!! I HATE constantly being called gay! And it’s just awkward telling people I’m bi. I get called gay on a daily basis and it truly is annoying! And I HAVE to address it! So no, it’s not “too much”
No, but I NEED "Aroace, actually" from Isaac like you have no idea
Also love the heartstopper makeup, amazing as always ❤
YES, I’m so glad we got some aroace representation!
Imagine being so sensitive you have to complain about a show instead of just not watching it.
"just wait for season 3" NO STOP IM SO SCARED 😭
Honestly, I don’t think it’s cringe. I find that displaying relationships such as they have makes it more realistic.
I myself have been in relationships before, and the awkward moments count because they show your devoted love for each other. Any moment with your partner is never wasted in that time frame, (of course unless they are not a good one.) so like Nick and Charlie, just make the best of it. Because you never know how long those moments will last. ❤
As a bi girl, I really appreciate this. I have family members that don’t believe I’m bisexual so they’ll either pick lesbian or straight and the label me themselves and it really hurts. I just feel like people haven’t caught up to the reality of bisexuality since there’s so much bi erasure in the media.
The amount of times ive said some variation of "im bi actually" or "im not confused i like any type of person romanticly" is insane and i think its important to stress how many times ppl under the bisexual umbrella have to say stuff like that, especially to other queer ppl
I feel like a lot of this is lack of education on who they're allied with, and lack of curiosity. I dont know if it just became a hyperfixation for me, but I did my best to learn about and understand the experience of every queer identity I met with before I even fully realised I was under the umbrella too.
It's important to learn what the label could mean, and what the common assumptions are to respect and support someone. And maybe learn how to respectfully ask about someone's personal range within that label to undwrstand it better if they want to share that, so many labels are entire spectrums of variations.
Some bi people like all genders, some like specifically 2, some like broadly most of them but with a sense of duality of expression that makes them notably bi, some only feel comfortable with one type of genitals, some are only romantically bi but sexually something else or vice versa. Some of these definitions also fit for Pansexuality, but they feel more aligned with the bi community in particular with no ill will towards people being pan.
It's complicated, just like how language itself is. Yet, what we do is constantly broaden our vocabularies every day forever so we can understand and utilise it better!
Your points are all perfect but your makeup is beyond! Love it so much!
Thank you! As a bisexual I absolutely love when Nick corrects people when they call him gay. What would these people rather, that he just accepts the incorrect label and doesn’t correct them?🤦♀️
I also do not understand people saying it’s too happy. Charlie literally gets assaulted in the first episode??
Maybe if love triangles, cheating and poor communication wasn’t put into every relationship on tv, people could actually appreciate a healthy relationship without getting bored. Personally I think its a breath of fresh air ❤
The Heartstopper books literally helped my 15 y/o cousin figure himself out and realize his feelings and thoughts were valid and he didn't have to hide from certain family members (most of our family on that side are not accepting, but I told him that just proves who his real family is) and he finally came out to all of us a few months ago. He dated a few girls because he was taught to by his womanizer father, but after I bought him the books when he asked me for them for his bday he started asking me about things and I made it known I was a safe person and I love him no matter who he loves and I'd answer to the best of my personal knowledge but also encouraged him to talk to any of his queer friends about it too, I know they helped him feel valid as well. He's now been in a very happy relationship with his bestie and the guy is a total sweetheart I love them both and besides his mom I'm probably his biggest supporter. He thought he had to choose straight or gay but after he read the books (and watched the show) he realized all of it is valid but it helped him realize he was bi. I'm so happy these books exist cause the fact that even helped one kid feel valid is a big win for me, I hope it helped more kids and also maybe adults figure themselves out. We need more media like this to normalize it, I hope I live to see the day no one has to "come out" and people can just be who they are.
I myself identify as ace/demisexual, but I'm also okay without the labels for myself so I don't broadcast that. But anyone who needs the labels to feel like themselves then that's valid too. Love is love y'all 💕🌈
For me, the books are also a big deal that helped me realize who i am. First straight cis girl, envolved into a bi cis girl, now i am a pan demigirl 🌺💛💙.
The books to me were a way to finally feel like I could be who I was. I had a lot of mental health struggles while figuring myself out and Heartstopper was a reminder that I could be loved and their is somewhere I belong.
as a bi person, it’s always so sad whenever i come out to someone because they just come up with all the reason imaginable to not believe me. and social media kinda makes bisexuality something it is not. i’m glad you spoke up abt it, made my day :)
How can anyone hate heartstopper its literally so cute
I’m literally in love with heartstopper, I think the “cringeyness” is what makes it so magical cause everyone watching it knows it’s a little unrealistic but it’s still fun to watch people have wholesome adorable relationships.
I remember disliking heartstopper when it first came out last year. I didn’t think much of it but when I came back to it I realised that I actually DID like the show. I think there was a lot of internalised homophobia and insecurity that played a part in my first impression, but I didn’t even really realise it.
My best friend still doesn’t like the show, which is fine, because it’s just not their speed. They like more fantasy themed queer stories. Not liking the show is totally ok, but people are so caught up in finding a reason why it’s bad that they can’t understand that they don’t need to. It’s ok to not like something.
I personally didn't like the way some of the scenes were played out as it felt too scripted otherwise I think it would have been a great show. Also Joe who plays Charlie was doing a great job brining out the character but I felt like there was something lacking in Nick's actor's acting and his personality seemed far different than the comic one.
I think is a bad show just like everything netflix do is bad. Poorly written, made to appeal to the masses, etc. Not my thing.
I have found many people saying that if you don't like it you are homophobic or on the other side saying that if you so like it you are also homophobic lol (Obviously I'm exaggerating, although there are probably crazy people who do think that way). Which is sad, we can't just enjoy a show without morally judging it? But looking on the bright side at least it opened the conversation to explore a little more about bisexuality and queer representation.
Heartsoppper being mostly happy fluff is what cheers me up after a bad day it’s BEAUTIFUL 😭‼️‼️
I completely agree and he only said he was bi if people called him gay first he was simply correcting them but off topic I love the makeup!!❤
The amount of times i say "im bi actually" while not referencing the show in any way just shows how realistic the approach to Nick's coming out is
I'm glad that a show like Heartstopper actually exists. The fact that Isaac has been confirmed as an aro character warms my aro heart become I really can't find shows mentioning aromanticism anywhere so I like that representation. Representation aside, I think it's a really well acted and well written show. Kit Connor is especially great I think, among the other talented actors.
Heartstopper is fantastic story telling. As an adult, it’s great fluff but also if you read the comics, sometimes it’s like the author is turning to the camera and saying “this is what healthy can look like and this is what unhealthy can look like” and I hope young readers read it and go “wow, I want that healthy relationship” or “you know, writing a letter to my parents about my feelings might be a scary but good step”. It’s not just fluff (I mean, it’s so cute) but it’s just a great way to introduce healthy queer relationships and healthy queer navigation. Lmao I’ll go watch Carol if I’m looking for a painful “realistic” queer love story but if the straights get to have cheesy rom coms, so do we 😭
I agree with that wholeheartedly and especially that we don't have much happy stories with young teens and older folks. Also, Asian BL/ gay couple shows have more happy gay couples when they havent't even legalised same sex marriage which I guess interesting that it took the west a long time to greenlight main gay/lesbian couple shows.
heart stopper is a HUGE comfort show of mine. it often makes me emotional with all of the representation and acceptance shown. it still shows how hard it is to be queer but it’s not the main focus. if you don’t like it, whatever, but i think the show is absolutely perfect :)
Okay I'm straight and heartstopper is one of the best shows I've ever watched
Violet Chachki once said something along the lines of “we need to support queer art, even if we dont personally like it, bc if we shit on it, theyre not gonna let more queer art be made/get into the mainstream” and that changed my mindset a lot
I’m honestly really sad I can’t watch Heartstopper anymore. I’m in recovery from an eating disorder and seeing the actions Charlie takes actively triggers it. I definitely appreciate the realistic representation of what it’s like to struggle with restriction and how it affects those who care about the person suffering. It was one of the things that helped me realize I had a problem and it wasn’t just hurting me. In my opinion, Heartstopper is an incredible show with great values and representation. I can’t wait for the day in my recovery where I can watch it again without feeling the urge to slip into old habits ❤
I am going through the same. It’s crazy how the slightest depiction or mention can trigger disordered thoughts to invade again. I am wishing you the best in recovery ❤
THANK YOU WE BISEXUALS ARE ALWAYS TOLD WE DONT KNOW OUR OWN SEXUALITY, SO MANY PPL IN MY SCHOOL JUST CALL ME GAY/LES BUT NO
SO TRUE 🩷💜💙
as a bisexual, "im bi actually" is something i say way too often
i love heartstopper so much. it’s one of the most wholesome and heartwarming yet sad shows ever. it’s just beautiful and alice oseman is such an amazing person. it really talks about a lot of topics that need to be addressed especially issac’s struggle with being aro/ace.
people complain about how “cheesy” and “cringe” and “too happy” heartstopper is but will flock to their tv the second it’s december to watch their cheesy a$s hallmark christmas movies 💀
Bro I’m straight but who actually watches hallmark movies? 💀
@@Las645 no clue
I felt that it was good Nick was clearing it up by saying he was Bi. Like I feel that’s the right thing to do.
Not me who every time nick says “I’m bi actually” smiles and screams from excitement 😂
I'm pansexual, and the erasure is awful... I finally find my place in a loving community, and they also tell me I'm wrong?? It's terrible to feel rejected by the people who are supposed to be your friends and help you be out and proud.
Oof the pan hate is real and so upsetting, I'm sorry buddy 💙
A lot of it comes from semantics and communication issues between the histories of communities too. The pan community does have a few early adopters who used it against bi people in a misinformed way (this notion that bi people are trans exclusionary, but pan people arent, which isn't generalisably true), but that does not define the pan community at all, and really needs to stop being the assumed position.
Pansexuals are completely valid and are an important distinction thats really helpful for clarifying people's identities, it does not matter if there's overlap with other m-spec orientations. They very well belong with us, and the only thing stopping us from adding a P to the acronym all of you is the risk of it getting misassociated as pedophilia acceptance by the grifters, and that the acronym is getting a bit long and excludable (if you see LGB community somewhere, big red flag, they are transphobic)
Real. Just let us have happy shows. We deserve it just as much as straight people do.
Your make-up is so on point and perfect and you've got the little leaves from the show and its gorgeous!
When they said,"If you're a girl, you're confused, and if you're a guy, you're just gay" that is literally my parents brain
I really appreciated HeartStopper!! I read the comic before the show dropped and I'm very happy to see more queer characters introduced to the media. Instead of being mad at a character for identifying a certain way we should be happy we're making a world where characters can even be all these wonderful different identities :)
I think the show does an incredible job at being a happy show by and for queer people. It's happy, sweet and sure, a little cringe ig, but it does balance it well with the darker themes and moments, not just about queer themes too (Like Charlie's eating disorder and self harming and Nick being stressed over school and having a strained relationship with his dad.) The show knows the struggles of being queer, and still it takes its time to show the happiness you also get as a queer person, it inspires joy and acceptance and I think it's a wonderful series
EXCUSE ME THIS SHOW IS MAGIC IVE SEEN IT 20 TIMES
Is Heartstopper a sort of fluffy romance (at least the way it’s stereotyped)? Yes. But there are so many hetero stories out there that are just fluff, and I think we as queer people deserve our own slice of comfort pie too.
And also it has really great ace representation! It's one of the only lgbt pieces of media that does and it makes me really happy to see ace people being validated and represented alongside other queer people
As a newly out Bisexual, Heartstopper is literally what got me to come out to myself and stop lying to myself after two whole years of denial. Also seeing the depiction of Charlie and his eating disorder made me realize that what I was struggling with was actually an eating disorder. I thought since I wasn't starving myself to be thin, that I didn't have an ED, but after that scene I researched it more and realized that it can take many forms. It feels so much better to be able to put a name on this thing that's been bothering me for five years, and to finally be able to research how to get past it.
God THANK YOU! The other day I had a girl tell me “I did not know you were gay, like you just don’t seem like a lesbian” and I responded with “I’m Bi actually” and she goes “same thing” the whole conversation made me SO UNCOMFORTABLE bc people don’t realize it is different and it’s like you’re being half supported.
As a biromantic demisexual, the constant having to clarify im bi and like both, and not just one or the other is real. These miserable people need to calm down, a little bit of joy never killed anyone