I Know I Played A Cheater
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Your gunna get a letter from his professor 😂
I smell some rice is cooking there
I am so glad nobody will accuse me of cheating. Ever.
Samesies
Hey you never know. I’m only 1400 and somebody accused me of playing with an engine
@@D1rtyD3bra I think us 700s are safe.
@@QDWhite and us 400s
I'm dogshit and I've still been accused of cheating lol
By the way this is their 2nd game. Nelson won the first game then they had this rematch, so most probably the opponent cheated to get back on nelson.
or he was cheating on both games and nelson beat a cheater lol but it's unlikely because engines are too much
@@Aerixes. I don't think he cheated the first game, he's a high rated player with thousands of games in his account. What I think happened is that he got salty after losing their first game and decided to cheat on their rematch.
@@ricletoespinosa4232yes seems most likely, he's not been banned though for some reason
Cheaters always ruin chess
But they're bad without cheats 💀
cheaters ruin everything.
Cheater ruins everything exactly, they shouldn't be allowed to be in society
Cheater ruins every game
But cheater can't ruin bullet 1-0
Come on, Nelson, he was just making rice!
If you know you know.
@@TJWard-ps5if I know so I know.
Lmao , i remembered that😂😂😂
Oops, I just cooking a rice and accidently found a brilliant move
I feel like we've reached a point where cheating allegations are meaningless because everyone is always accusing everyone of cheating (I myself have been accused of cheating by some sore losers multiple times), and everyone these days is so paranoid, it's almost impossible to tell when someone is actually cheating and when someone is just being paranoid or mad that they lost.
Your opponent must have been studied up on the Rice Cooker refutation - unlucky game Nelson...
Yeah, I can confirm this is a cheater. Very hard to tell though, as they have 13,000 games and a legit graph. If you check their highest rated blitz win vs GM ChessWeebs (rated 2869) you can clearly tell the *exact* same tactic was used there.
Hybrid cheater, they play normally and keep loosing. Then once he's got enough, he puts up the engine
Yeppp
That guy has been banned
How do you know?
@@davidsonbeaubrun6082 just search his ID
The link to the game is in the description. You can see that he was banned@@davidsonbeaubrun6082
I’m new to chess and it’s very discouraging knowing cheaters are out there. I’m really trying to put the time and play how you show us. Plus I just got the book FCO so I can read it and study more. To think people just want to take short cuts instead of putting the time to learn just sucks. Thank you Nelson for the content!
Don’t be discouraged even though it does suck. Cheaters gain nothing, but you will gain knowledge from playing them and it will make you a better player in the long run. FCO is a great book btw!
@@drewfenton866 thank you! ☺️
even if you lose a game against a cheater, you're still the better person for keeping your integrity. that's worth a lot too.
keep playing, you got this.
@@phoenix402 thank you! ☺️
Some of the most beautiful games ever are cheaters against strong players. Unfortunately, the legitimate player suffers for it.
You mean Stockfish against strong players.
there is nothing beautiful about cheating.
@@userac-xpg if your reading comprehension was any good, you'd see I was referring to the games. Not to the cheaters.
Even eval bar is cheating
People who defend cheaters like this are mostly likely cheaters themselves
Rice cookers man
They are everywhere
His name is actually a really funny meme in turkey from an old tv show
His avatar is a picture of comedy actor Kemal Sunal.
And it's a disgrace using kemal sunal's picture while cheating.
It is really sad that this cheater used the picture of a valuable person of Turkish cinema.
I have no idea how these cheaters think they won't be suspected.. like 98 vs 83 is Hikaru level? 😅
I think the biggest giveaway was 98% accuracy. That is Stockfish’s accuracy.
Poor Nelson, defeated by The Rice Cooker Gambit again
Cheaters in games are just one of the worst things to encounter. This is for any game, including video games
There is another way to see he's cheating. Look at his game history where he is playing consecutive games against the same person. He ALWAYS loses the first game and then wins all the subsequent rematches. Banned now too
I've noticed a weird kind of pattern when the moves slow down. Up until a point fast and then the time between moves changes irrationally.
for an opponent who has nearly 2500 rating, he hasnt earned any titles such as NM, CM, FM, etc. but he was a cheater anyway!
This person was a cheater for sure, but that point doesn't prove anything. To show their title, they would have to confirm their identity, and maybe they just don't want to do that.
Why? They can practice in home without title
It keeps saying there was an error classifying the move because your gambit is just so complicated like you said and there is a cheater on the board LOL
i was expect u to play alien gambit
I got cheated against and eventually someone else reports the cheater and I get points back.
Yeah. Don't forget that while you're prepared on this opening, in a freak incident they might as well. Only fact that they take varying amounts of time later on muddies the water for me.
Why not just capture the bishop at 2:07? Rook and a bishop for a queen or why don't you just move the queen away? I am a novice in chess, so there very well could be lines that refute those moves completely, but I didn't see them, but I didn't analyze the position for very long. Are you getting mated by the rooks and queen if you take the bishop?
I guess with the AI movement taking off it will get even harder to stop cheaters
why do people cheat at chess? what do you gain from that?
For the record, Black does not even need to accept the sacrifice immediately, instead 9...h6 is a very practical and human way for Black to retain the advantage.
i have challange idea:lucky blocks/make a wheel with good things and bad things for u do the same with martin too
My interest in chess faded quite a bit after I was accused in cheating. Maybe this made me more content with the level I already reached? Anyway, I play rarely and only for fun now, no more fights for rating.
Haha the guy is already banned. I play a lot of daily games because of my work schedule and the cheating is ridiculous. There is no time usage to go off of so a lot of people get away with cheating in daily games and it sucks. I can’t remember the line, but it’s from one of Nelson’s courses and he said in the course “there is this move, but no human is going to play it unless they are a GM or a cheater” and a 1000 rated player found that move and it was a major red flag. I lost the game and he had 97% accuracy.
If cheating is discovered retrospectively, it would be good if your loss could then be deleted from the record. Plus the cheater's win deleted and his IP address blocked from any further activity on the site. I have 'suffered' from almost exactly what you describe in your post. A daily game where my 1750 opponent showed an average accuracy of over 96% in all moves over his last 10 completed games.
@@chriscurtain1816 THey do exactly this. If a cheater is banned everyone who lost to them has their ratings adjusted. I get this message at least once per 200 games or so I play. Unfortunately you can't tell who it was unless you made note of the specific game and went back to check.
It's in the list of live games, so all you have to do is scroll down a bit. This guy was unusual - most cheaters seem to get caught quite quickly (or possibly never get caught if they are smart enough?).
@@MysteryKoshkaI think you can tell, but just not easily if you have a lot of games in. There’s a red dot that appears on the game line.
I’m on mobile so the dot might be something different than a dot, but it’s a red circle of some sort.
I got reported once because I won a game with 100% accuracy, playing the double Muzio. It is true that many people use engines but a lot more people are just sore losers.
These engines are getting so advanced, they show you how to make your opponent blunder a whole rook. Whats next
Memorizing the best moves in openings, though not ethically comparable, is functionally equivalent to getting your moves from stockfish. Freestyle has to be the future.
The point is that you need to remember the lines if you're not cheating
That's like saying studying for a test and memorizing the answers is equivalent to cheating
Stockfish said it's equal because he drew the game (at least that's what I think)
Qxe6, Kd7, Kc8, and Bd6 instead of Bc5+ are all suspect moves. I play this opening a lot and 99% of people do not play it this way as black.
That said, it’s possible he was “ booked “ up on this opening as it’s really popular in blitz.
thanks for the game, can you play nelson with only a queen and a bishop
You should refrain from showing his username if he has not been banned for cheating yet. Otherwise you are just putting him on display. Very often RUclipsrs do that and their audience starts attacking the person showcased on their videos.
I don't recommend cheating but why make it obvious? instead of going for the top move each time try like the 3rd move or the 6th or something.
Nelson is a NM, he would destroy a cheater if they were playing the 6th engine move 🤣
Not related to the vid but I actually got accused of cheating once on my alternate account. The account have about 500 lower rating than my real account because I use it to practice openings, play dubious stuff or play in distracting environments. This guy however, trades all the pieces in the opening (which is where I lost almost half my game on) and goes into rook end game and get absolutely slaughtered. He then accuses me of cheating right when he’s about to get mated and stalled the clock out.
No wonder he accused you of cheating you 500 points above him
For him it was like playing an engine or grand master
Your opponent played the “rice cooker gambit” again?
Can’t you see his previous games and check his accuracy?
Only about 1675 on Linchess and recently won against a bot highest Maia 1634 with a 97% against her 89% - high accuracy is possible even if you are a poor player like myself, just not often.
Его игра просто была нечеловечна
Cheating always ruins/recks games. I agree with you, Chess Vibes, that this person is a cheating.
My opinion, chess is getting like CoD. Massive cheater problem exacerbated by sore losers who claim everyone is cheating. It’s easier to blame your loss on a cheater than on limited knowledge. I run across a cheater, I block them then study the hell out of that game. Why? I’ll get beat by a cheater again, but at least I have an idea of engine lines and some more preparation later. (Also, this is probably why I’m still stuck at 1200 elo lol.) thanks Nelson for posting this, cause now I have study material for this opening!
I like your live chess games ..
Is it cheating if he cracked open some notes? I mean yeah. But it doesn't necessarily have to be stockfish move by move. He may have notes and knows what's the best move in a very common position like you said.
What's even worse than playing a cheater is playing someone that accuses you of cheating when you are not
There is nothing to worry about. It is just annoying
Lmao what the heck kind of complain is that..some sort of humble brag??
Cheaters ruin the integrity of the game, but you're more bothered by saltiness.
The couple times I’ve been accused of cheating I laughed. It doesn’t even happen in my best games, and I’m not particularly good.
If you’re letting it get to you, that’s a decision you’re making.
Why is 10...Qd7 the best move, what's wrong with 10...Qd6?
Qd6 block Bishop f8 that is one reason. Qd6 Bf4 looks like also bad... Nc7+
But my idea is not working, damm...
@@mythbusters866 Yes, it is better to analyze first and then post - This entire gambit line is only suitable for blitz, it does not even grant White equality if Black is prepared or if you have to face the same player again in the future - That is why it is important not to waste too much time on lines that you will need to replace once you start meeting advanced players - Much more sensible to invest your time studying lines that you can have confidence in against any level opponent, and not rely on 'Fingers crossed hope chess' 😂
It is really sad that this cheater used the picture of a valuable person of Turkish cinema.
Cheaters never prosper.
We all hate cheaters! If someone does suggest you are just as sore loser, well then, I'd suggest they are not getting a sufficient amount of oxygen to the brain! There is no way your opponent didn't cheat.
I'll never understand why someone would cheat in chess. Id rather lose by my own skill than win with a bot helping me. Then again i don't care about status. Maybe that's it?
If this was like magnus level, then it is normal..but not here. I agree, cheating happened here
Yeah he cheated there, finally you got real evidence.
This has nothing to do with your video, but I was just playing Stockfish level 4 on LICHESS, and all I had was a king, and it had a king a bishop and a knight....AND IT RESIGNED????!!!! WTF????!!!!
He's using chess bot.
I like how even 2500 elo rated cheaters dont know how studip and weird they look when they cheat in chess and play the best move everytime
Their rating would presumably not be 2500 if they were not willing to cheat though.
@@user-sm4mu1dp6p i know their real performance must be like 800-900 but its still weird when you spend 10seconds on an obvious move
You should be a bigger person and quietly take the loss. Yes, you're probably right. But if you're wrong you're punching down on a player you'd normally want to encourage.
Nelson should not have sac pieces in opening just for removing the opponent chance for castle king. In fact, many players can win without castle king. In my games, many opponents move the bishops to a or h file for preventing me to castle king. But I surprised them because I have never thought of castle king. So they wasted a move and being checkmated due to lose of tempo or have one fewer defender.
yes but you are a fantastic player not just a youtuber like Nelson /s
Keep up the good fight
Very clearly a cheater, good on you for playing it out Nelson! Screw cheaters
It is so obvious to spot and silly to cheat on a high level game, doesn't worth it to ruin an old account and the hign rating reputition.
I am sorry for my fellow Turkish countryman. His profile picture says it all actually 😢
I'm a fan but there are several issues with your analysis. (1) you just dismissed the several moves that didn't fit your cheater theory, by saying "yeah whatever". (2) You also said you'd tell us how you found out he was using Stockfish later - but you never did, unless it was the astonishing accuracy. (3) You keep referring to the time usage - I guess implying that he was too fast for a human thinker - but he was no faster that you. (4) The fact that most people you played in this position did A and he did not A doesn't prove anything. The accuracy alone, I suppose, is suspicious, but your other evidence is weak.
No you missed the time usage point. It wasn’t that he was too fast. It is consistent time usage. The same time as if there is a computer output. When you input into an engine it runs the same amount of time when giving moves
@@bsmoov7But it wasn't. There were several moves where black spend more than just a few seconds in on, which Nelson just dismissed by saying "yeah, whatever". I think that's a bit disingenuous saying all the moves were at a consistent pace when there were several outliers.
@@danielj.8876you make good points, but IF he did cheat, then those outlier moves could be explained by messing up inputs into the chess engine he allegedly used and needing to correct, or the engine had multiple moves suggested that he thought over before making the move he liked
@@TheHero-2550Yeah, if. But coming from that angle is essentially saying he's guilty until proven innocent. Someone acting suspicious isn't enough reason to reverse the burden of prove.
@@danielj.8876 true dat
No matter how sure you are that the opponent cheated, I think you should obscure their username. You don’t want to encourage vigilantism. Nothing to gain by showing it (they’ll be banned anyway) and everything to lose.
This is so rude. You can''t accuse someone of cheating just because they were busy making noodles this time
/s
I was in the middle of a 14 day game when I browsed the archive of my opponent. He was 'only' rated 1750 but had averaged an accuracy of over 96% in his last 10 completed games. I reported him. He then disappeared on a mysterious 3 month vacation, then returned to continue the game. I won easily after that.
Good of you to out cheaters, but you should really start covering their names.
From what I can tell, he could have cheated in one game. He did lose his last game before being banned. Seems a tiny bit unfair, merely due to beating an NM. A stern warning seems more appropriate, unless he has a history of cheating. I'd be interested to see a game where a cheater plays another cheater.
Interesting
❤🎉
What if he just had a similar opening like a game or two before? And he analysed the line after? I mean I would report too but still. I have won games like this too
Maybe the first few moves. The line doesn’t go on for 20 moves lol.
I don't know, Nelson... I've watched this from Black's perspective... I've checked my databases about 4 of them. nothing about this game seemed out of the ordinary. Move 7 was the first critical point. On ChessBase, 300 players played 0-0... 60% of them lost the game and 20% got a draw..(the master's database is more damning to this move)... the average rating for a player who played that move was 1936. That move ranked 5th on chess engines, but every move from this point is in Black's favor. Objectively, it was not a good move because it screams move Bg6 which strengthens Black's defense and nullifies your next moves. Whenever you sac your bishop to set up the trap (which looks very obvious that you're trying to pin my queen), NOW Black can play h6 kicking your Knight and then fxe6 and then slide that bishop into f7 to nullify the d5 and the rook pin which means you traded your bishop for a pawn AND worse position. That leaves you with one of two choices... trade your bishop and knight for one more pawn and a bishop but it's not enough compensation because sure black can't castle but white can no longer attack because you're down material. you're no longer attacking to win but to draw.
Every move from 9 to finsih was obivous imho for Black
You're assuming the guy is able to legitimately get 98% accuracy during a blitz game with a complicated position. It took the guy over 10 seconds to take the bishop, anyone else would have used 1 second at the most
@@maximos905 that was the only critical point in the game. I'm rated around 1700 in blitz, And if I were black and white sacrifices their knight right there, I would wonder wtf was going on and then notice that there is no pawn on e file and if I capture with my queen, whites rook is going to slide over and pin me, so I can't capture without realizing I need to move my King out of the way. It's a blunder check.
As far as the 98percent... It's not hard to get considering this : 1. the two mistakes Nelson made in the opening, and the blunder pre move he made where he thought blacks bishop was going to check him first.. the game was so simplified at this point that there were only one good course of action 2. The guy is rated 2500. Am I surprised that he didn't fall for the opening trap? No, of course not. In the master's database everyone that played whites moves up to move 7-9 lost.
From move 9, SF12 couldn't hold white's position after 9...fxe6, it lost in 98 moves to SF15.1. After plugging in the correct reply for black which was 9...h6, (the move he thought the guy cheated on aka "the engine move" that Nelson thought was beyond human understanding) SF12 lost even faster to SF15.1 in 78 moves. Why did I test it like this? The analysis on this move order by Nelson is antiquated. I'm pretty sure that the latest version of SF would beat white from move 9 in 50 moves or less. I will test this today on my computer.
@chrisdavis2161 TLDR cope harder bro. You're getting really defensive for the accused cheater. He just happened to do the top engine move everytime after that using about 5 seconds each time, there's no doubt the guy was cheating. Plus he lost the first game against Nelson but the rematch he does that
@@maximos905 you're the one that needs to cope, man. the spot where Nelson said he thought the guy cheated, he didnt play a "top engine move"... the top move was h6. any argument falls apart after that. you bringing another chess game into question as evidence that he cheated in THIS game is irrelevant. there was never any proof he cheated in this game. If the dude was rated 1500... I'm pressing the "he cheated" button so hard. but he's rated 2500. you're the one who needs to press the "cope harder" button.
This argument that he cheated is weak from this video alone... "he cheated because he didn't fall for my trap"
that sounds like a kid argument... "he used an engine" the move h6 immediately comes up on a mobile device for SF15 and later... Do you think he used an old SF engine that came out 2-3 years ago? or another program? That's harder to believe than to understand the opening Nelson played is a dubious gambit/sacrifice that leaves white with a minor piece down and worse position with decent NOT PERFECT...DECENT play by Black.
If you think that this video alone proves that Black cheated, you need to grow up. Nelson should have included the previous game and then it might have worked out better.
I'm a fan of Nelson, I've been subbed to him for a couple of years now, but when someone refutes your gambit, you have to go back to the drawing board and figure out what happened. It's irrelevant that the guy cheated because your preparation should have included "what if the person plays perfectly, can this position hold up?" Nelson didn't have an answer to the moves the guy played. White is supposed to WIN or DRAW with perfect play...SF can't hold the position for draw... a 3500 elo engine... what does that mean? It means that the opening is so bad that Black can win from move 9... WHY WOULD YOU PLAY IT against someone who's 2500??? goh man
@@maximos905 I could just say "you're stupid for not reading and understanding basic arguments and chess" and move on though, but I chose to explain it, so whenever you stop thinking like a child you can learn something
I’d be salty too bro, He cheated.
0:30 you said that fxe6 is the best move after Bxe6... this is simply not true... it is a good move if you understand the queen trap that is coming. The best move for black is h6 kicking your knight and taking your Bishop reestablishing black's e pawn. now you have to spend resources trying to prove Black's e pawn to be a weakness but you will not be able to without losing more material. Therefore, you might feel more forced to attack the f7 pawn to prevent black from creating a defense of the center so powerful that you will need to sacrifice another minor piece to stop that e pawn
Maybe he just had seen this opening somewhere and from this knows the theory.
Remembering an opening is one thing, but the whole game? I don't think so...
but still if he had seen this type og game before. I also sometimes play top engine moves because i had seen the move in youtube. I don't know if Nelson had posted content about this type of game before. or someone else had.
then why the super long pause on one move?
@@userac-xpg You tell me. There could be any number of reasons. Look, if you want to be argumentative about this then OK, I'll let you win. How's that?
I have a cheating software that I sometimes use to cheat in my games. With it, I can make moves in less than a second, enabling the possibility for someone to cheat and play very quickly. So keep that in mind.
A player who studies the best lines in a particular opening which they would never come up with on their own is also cheating...in advance.
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The guy is from Turkey, what do you expect.
Grow up
100% a cheater
honestly playing with exceptional accuarcy shows he is a cheater but I found your logic on time quite nonsense sorry
Cheaters move pieces at consistent speed as they check with stockfish for the best move and immediately move right after.
It's one of the most reliable signs of a cheater that they take the same amount of time on very complicated moves that they do on very simple ones.
always the turks
Don't post racist comments please, there are cheaters from all countries.
@@tanelkaganTurkish isn’t a race, and it’s clearly a joke.
Waiting for least nationalist Turkish people to see this
For me it seems to be Brazilians XD ... although I'm sure it's just noise in my data and there's no specific epidemic of cheating from Brazil, I still start squinting suspiciously when I play someone from there XD
@@specialuset8022 It's not "clearly" anything, without context, and even if it were a joke, that would not excuse it.
Besides, he didn't say "Turkish" he said "Turks", so even if I accepted your very narrow definition of "racism" (I don't) he is singling out a specific race/ethnic group. Still wrong.
You're proud of yourself when you win.😏 But you accuse your opponents of cheating when you lose.😎
But still, I kinda agree with you though.😂
haven't you accused someone before for cheating and then it turned out he didn't cheat?
So far everyone that he accused of cheating really was cheating and were banned after the investigation
He was just too good for you, dont worry
You will have your wins eventually
bro improve the quality definition of the board chess. the videos are great but it is blurry the board
Stop and think about every “unnatural" move your opponent has made. It is not crazy to think that he can find it, or that he has studied the lines, or is familiar with these patterns There are many explanations. I'm a big fan of your channel, but I don't agree with you this time. I don't think you have enough to accuse him of cheating. The sample is not enough
What are you on? 😂They clearly cheated. Just look at the time usage. They take about the same amount of time on very simple moves as they do on very complicated moves. Also, not playing most or all simple moves immediately is a clear sign of cheating. Proof on cheating can’t really get any more solid than that, unless you think Nelson is able to spy on them through their device’s camera 😅.
@@specialuset8022 The argument for the time usage very weak. I'm not a strong player but I'm familiar with this opening. I think I have a good chance of playing like his opponent, at least in the tricky part, according to Nelson
@@s--cn8eeIt’s not a weak argument. It takes about the same amount of time for the engine to calculate moves, and players usually move immediately after the engine calculation is complete, which is why time usage between moves is so consistent with cheaters. It’s always easy to say you would play the best moves after seeing the best moves because the best moves always look easy to find once you see them. Besides, the player was banned, so they were definitely a cheater.
I'm with you on this... there wasn't enough there... I frequently investigate suspected cheaters for fun on /r chess using my gadgets and my really expensive computer. sometimes I find people making very "fishy" moves during games, but Nelson made a lot of moves that were just not good and his opponent sniffed out his preconcieved plan of victory within ten moves...the game was tactical but you have to realize that Nelson gambited 2 pawns in this opening, then saced his Bishop to try to set up a trap that was sniffed out. If you add mistakes and blunders in there (which there were plenty of), Nelson had no chance of winning this game against a player with that high of a rating
@@specialuset8022 there is no clear evidence for cheating in this game... his opponent calculated a move that was 4 moves out and took time to do so. I do this everytime I see my opponent sac a piece against me..I'm like "wtf is this?" "is this some kind of trap?"... then I calculate until I find it... if I don't, I'm like "you dumb bleep" and then I take their piece and carry on... If I do catch it, I'm like "I'm not falling for that shh"
Your evidence is just speculation.
I find strange satisfaction on spotting and reporting cheaters. Some are so obvious. 5-10 seconds every move. Strange game history. Reported mapala98 5x... clearest cheater Ive encountered in a while. Waiting to see him banned.