Mine just arrived same color .Im a builder and I made a Half Zap single 5'10" based on the Theories of Richo who taught me to shape in the 80's when he came to Malibu for a contest . Piping Hot wetsuits dropped him off at our doorstep.We been friends ever since .In 86 he shaped 200 boards in one summer for Zuma Jays with a flipping sureform .Channel bottom and squashes .All of them sold within a year . My Zap is almost done sprayed in Evel Kenevel's stars and stripes .I can't wait . Also I have 2 of those 3d fins from FCS at my Hawaii factory .Super fun . Lastly .A friend just brought over Cheynes 6' 1" from 1982 his personal he brought around to the shops to show at of all places Zuma Jays in Malibu . Cheers dude !!!!!
Sounds like an awesome board. The board in the video I shaped after getting the fin and chatting to Cheyne. It turned out ok but doing another version soon which I will video. Hope to see some pics of this new board, the artwork sounds great.
@@Crankinsurf7000 it’s day number seven surfing this Fin on the board I made listening to the principles of McCoy and Cheyne putting my own theory around it. The consensus is it’s addicting. Right now I don’t want to serve anything else. I even have a short clip of me at TOPANGA serving the board on the cam on my Instagram
Gday Mate, interesting post. You have it back the front as in, wait up, the small fin is my design. I did it about a year before Cheyne and Ben, documented ie registered design. Multifin from Byron did it first in 84', I did it soon after the yacht race, it's a story how it happened from a beer drinking comp in Bali, anyway, we sold 10k in the first 3 months and as board's tails got too thin for boxes, it faded. Come mid 90's, my mates I grew up with had started FCS and we went again. Bill McCausland saying in print recently, that is the most under rated fin in the history of surfing. Ok so when they brought out FCS 2 it got left out, new management and bla bla bla, so I found Dylan in Bali making them and that was before covid, he was giving me a royalty in fins. I have one of Dylans, one redtip in my board and a mint one in the box, which has a bit of the story on the back. I am wanting to get them made again. When and where did you get the one in Indo? Cheers, would rather work with you, John Harris.
Hey mate yeah I know it's in backwards, just put it in for the video, not even thinking about it. That's cool history and would love to hear more. Where are you based? I have my starfins for a few years, purchased one from Cheyne then made a board to suit it. The smaller one I think I got in 2015 from Indo from Ebay. I still use it all the time on my mini mals that I make for indo. The lift and drive gets me through lulls into the shorey. FCS aren't the best company from what I hear from other shapers so no surprise they dropped it. It would be easy to get them made again
@@Crankinsurf7000 Good morning, I don't mean the fin is in backwards, tho it may be. I mean I did my fin about a year before Cheyne and Ben, documented by design registration and although I got the idea from the Australia two yahct, I hadn't seen it and just imagined what it would be like. I shaped the first one out of a block of foam and as you can see it's all curves , where as the single fin is angles, long time ago but I'm still using them every day and they are still going great. I'm based at Twead Heads now but away until November. I have been trying to get someone to make them without any success. So you got your black one before covid when Dylan was making them in Bali, lost now, have'nt been able to contact him for a few years. Stay in touch and see what we can do, cheers.
Ahh ok, I remember one of my mates had one in 1986 and we used on our boards back then. I hope you can get a batch done in futures and FCS bases. It'd be cool
I had one but sold it. One issue was the thin winglets nearly gutted me during a closeout because they are quite sharp. Second, there isn't any guidance about the angle to have it installed. You usually need to pack a fin and minor adjustments will lean the fin forward or backward and change the attack angle of the wings. Didn't know the angle to set it.
Angle of attack should be neutral. Just fit and go. Angle is set by fin box which should be flush with hull. You are in a dynamic rolling ball energy field, not a jet fighter.
@@Crankinsurf7000 ...well , you might as well have inserted it the way it goes....what a strange reply you wrote Must be definitely be one of a kind of a human being Cheers mate
@@ugocdf7706 sometimes I make mistakes in videos and i just leave them in there, why edit and make it flashy. I'm not flashy and make plenty of mistakes so i like to show you that I'm human. I laugh at myself, can't take life too serious can we.
While surfing Burleigh in the 90s , i got to know erle pedersen and ordered a kewarra jet bottom board ( still have it) and he had a circular fin too on some of his creations Wonder if it was that coming from horan too....
I tried one numerous times on a 9Foot mal with little success. The fin kept getting snagged in the kelp and leash kept getting rapped around the fin. I noticed the board kept stalling every time I tried to catch a wave, as if the fin was causing the nose to stall just at the crucial last strokes. I’m sure having the right tail has heaps of difference in how the board performed.
I shaped a board to go with the fin, a round tail similar to what Chenye surfed at Bells including how the tail rocker was with the vee. It'd be hard with kelp. I've used it up to 7ft board and was ok.
The leash catch is a bit of a pain. BUT I have one in a 10' board and has two upsides. Quick pivot style turns and adds stability, which is especially noticeable in the white water. Not that surfing white water is a thing, but it demonstrates the effect well. Any fin can gut you. Fif the speeds surfboards travel at sharp foil edges are in necessary. Dull them off with sand paper and wetsuits will last longer.
So called star fin makes NO sense on a surfboard. They are.designed for creating lift on the keel of a boat, which travels differently in the water than a surfboard. I had them on two boards back in the day, and they create drag, not lift. When returning to standard fins, it was like night and day. It was pure marketing hype, and cheyne horan was never a bright spark.
It's a fin that works for some but not others. When I got this fin I spoke to Chenyne about the boards he rode it with, so I shaped a board to go with the fin, not the other way round. The vee in the tail really helps get the most out of them, a neutral bottom lets the fin do the work. I just made a new 7/4 x 21 single pin and it works great with it, feels like it drives it, I'll do a video.
@@DaveMannigel .It was more about hype and marketing around Ben Lexcen than actual R&D into what works. But as far as "R&D" concerning surfers, I think using that term may be too flattering.
It’d be interesting trying it on an 11’ glider. It tried it on a longboard years ago. Went ok. Pretty stable. Prob work well on a glider with plenty of whitewash.
Mine just arrived same color .Im a builder and I made a Half Zap single 5'10" based on the Theories of Richo who taught me to shape in the 80's when he came to Malibu for a contest . Piping Hot wetsuits dropped him off at our doorstep.We been friends ever since .In 86 he shaped 200 boards in one summer for Zuma Jays with a flipping sureform .Channel bottom and squashes .All of them sold within a year .
My Zap is almost done sprayed in Evel Kenevel's stars and stripes .I can't wait . Also I have 2 of those 3d fins from FCS at my Hawaii factory .Super fun . Lastly .A friend just brought over Cheynes 6'
1" from 1982 his personal he brought around to the shops to show at of all places Zuma Jays in Malibu . Cheers dude !!!!!
Sounds like an awesome board. The board in the video I shaped after getting the fin and chatting to Cheyne. It turned out ok but doing another version soon which I will video. Hope to see some pics of this new board, the artwork sounds great.
Be great to see a photo of the zap, sounds nice. I like that you can just ring Cheyne up and talk about the fins and boards.
@@Crankinsurf7000 it’s day number seven surfing this Fin on the board I made listening to the principles of McCoy and Cheyne putting my own theory around it. The consensus is it’s addicting. Right now I don’t want to serve anything else. I even have a short clip of me at TOPANGA serving the board on the cam on my Instagram
Gday Mate, interesting post. You have it back the front as in, wait up, the small fin is my design. I did it about a year before Cheyne and Ben, documented ie registered design. Multifin from Byron did it first in 84', I did it soon after the yacht race, it's a story how it happened from a beer drinking comp in Bali, anyway, we sold 10k in the first 3 months and as board's tails got too thin for boxes, it faded. Come mid 90's, my mates I grew up with had started FCS and we went again. Bill McCausland saying in print recently, that is the most under rated fin in the history of surfing. Ok so when they brought out FCS 2 it got left out, new management and bla bla bla, so I found Dylan in Bali making them and that was before covid, he was giving me a royalty in fins. I have one of Dylans, one redtip in my board and a mint one in the box, which has a bit of the story on the back. I am wanting to get them made again. When and where did you get the one in Indo? Cheers, would rather work with you, John Harris.
Hey mate yeah I know it's in backwards, just put it in for the video, not even thinking about it. That's cool history and would love to hear more. Where are you based? I have my starfins for a few years, purchased one from Cheyne then made a board to suit it. The smaller one I think I got in 2015 from Indo from Ebay. I still use it all the time on my mini mals that I make for indo. The lift and drive gets me through lulls into the shorey. FCS aren't the best company from what I hear from other shapers so no surprise they dropped it. It would be easy to get them made again
@@Crankinsurf7000 Good morning, I don't mean the fin is in backwards, tho it may be. I mean I did my fin about a year before Cheyne and Ben, documented by design registration and although I got the idea from the Australia two yahct, I hadn't seen it and just imagined what it would be like. I shaped the first one out of a block of foam and as you can see it's all curves , where as the single fin is angles, long time ago but I'm still using them every day and they are still going great. I'm based at Twead Heads now but away until November. I have been trying to get someone to make them without any success. So you got your black one before covid when Dylan was making them in Bali, lost now, have'nt been able to contact him for a few years. Stay in touch and see what we can do, cheers.
Ahh ok, I remember one of my mates had one in 1986 and we used on our boards back then. I hope you can get a batch done in futures and FCS bases. It'd be cool
I had one but sold it. One issue was the thin winglets nearly gutted me during a closeout because they are quite sharp. Second, there isn't any guidance about the angle to have it installed. You usually need to pack a fin and minor adjustments will lean the fin forward or backward and change the attack angle of the wings. Didn't know the angle to set it.
Angle of attack should be neutral. Just fit and go. Angle is set by fin box which should be flush with hull. You are in a dynamic rolling ball energy field, not a jet fighter.
@@paulsmith4220oh you made me laugh quite hard
....and no i am not a jet fighter pilot either!
You have the fin in your board back to front... Try it the other way around
I know bud, I just put it in for reference, not to go surfing
@@Crankinsurf7000 ...well , you might as well have inserted it the way it goes....what a strange reply you wrote
Must be definitely be one of a kind of a human being
Cheers mate
@@ugocdf7706 sometimes I make mistakes in videos and i just leave them in there, why edit and make it flashy. I'm not flashy and make plenty of mistakes so i like to show you that I'm human. I laugh at myself, can't take life too serious can we.
It’s on backwards
Haha yeah, just chucked it in for the video, didn't check...rookie error
Nice video.
Cool video. I made my version of a Cheyne Horan's Starfin, puting a fcs2 base. It works really nice.
Sounds great, hows it go??
Cheyne also had a "loop" fin - like a circle.
Think I remember them, he has been a leader in fin design for many years now.
That was featured in surfing world in the 60's
While surfing Burleigh in the 90s , i got to know erle pedersen and ordered a kewarra jet bottom board ( still have it) and he had a circular fin too on some of his creations
Wonder if it was that coming from horan too....
I tried one numerous times on a 9Foot mal with little success. The fin kept getting snagged in the kelp and leash kept getting rapped around the fin. I noticed the board kept stalling every time I tried to catch a wave, as if the fin was causing the nose to stall just at the crucial last strokes. I’m sure having the right tail has heaps of difference in how the board performed.
I shaped a board to go with the fin, a round tail similar to what Chenye surfed at Bells including how the tail rocker was with the vee. It'd be hard with kelp. I've used it up to 7ft board and was ok.
The leash catch is a bit of a pain. BUT I have one in a 10' board and has two upsides.
Quick pivot style turns and adds stability, which is especially noticeable in the white water. Not that surfing white water is a thing, but it demonstrates the effect well.
Any fin can gut you. Fif the speeds surfboards travel at sharp foil edges are in necessary. Dull them off with sand paper and wetsuits will last longer.
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Mate, is it just the camera angle, or does your Board have 0 tail “V”?
must be the angle, it has a slight vee in the tail, I discussed it with Cheyne when I bought the fin
It’s backwards in the box
Oh sorry didn’t look at all the other guys giving you shit.
So called star fin makes NO sense on a surfboard. They are.designed for creating lift on the keel of a boat, which travels differently in the water than a surfboard.
I had them on two boards back in the day, and they create drag, not lift.
When returning to standard fins, it was like night and day.
It was pure marketing hype, and cheyne horan was never a bright spark.
It's a fin that works for some but not others. When I got this fin I spoke to Chenyne about the boards he rode it with, so I shaped a board to go with the fin, not the other way round. The vee in the tail really helps get the most out of them, a neutral bottom lets the fin do the work. I just made a new 7/4 x 21 single pin and it works great with it, feels like it drives it, I'll do a video.
Ya I agree l liked the idea but never worked for me. For boats ok it’s proven but board, too many variables
@@DaveMannigel .It was more about hype and marketing around Ben Lexcen than actual R&D into what works.
But as far as "R&D" concerning surfers, I think using that term may be too flattering.
.....Hey mate, I bet ya Cheyne would surf rings around you ANY day of the week !!! ..........lmfao !!
It’d be interesting trying it on an 11’ glider.
It tried it on a longboard years ago. Went ok.
Pretty stable.
Prob work well on a glider with plenty of whitewash.